2022 Templar X 250 build quality and assembly - Page 2

Spoonbender · 07-21-2022, 01:36 AM

I missed out on the X, but really happy with the bike!https://share.icloud.com/photos/0beH...vr6WRjDBhoaF8w

tknj99 · 09-13-2022, 08:22 AM

That's a great assessment and observation of the bike and its limitations. Yes, any of these dual sport 250's are woefully inadequate at speed.. even with a brief stint of ownership of a CSC RX4 with the 450cc engine i found it to be inadequate on the highway.. up an incline on rt 64 where the speed limit is 70mph would have me full-throttled with barely any left to overtake. I think the best mix is one of these 250's (ideally 6-speed variant) for gravel roads, trails and around town or back-roads and then a street machine for touring. I'm in the market for that and it needs to be able to handle 2-up.. i had a look at the SG400 and kpm 200 but sadly despite the price being right would not be well suited for that.
Anyway, im loving the Templar X and these 250's have been great to me thus far after a few years of owning a Brozz and then a Titan with little to no issues other than things coming loose from all the vibrations, par for the course i guess

gtrmaster88 · 11-28-2022, 10:48 PM

I too appreciate these posts! I just got my Templar X in from Powersportsmax, it's all assembled, only one issue my buddy that helped assemble it and I have been trying to get worked out.

The carb seems to be running the bike too rich according to my more mechanically-inclined friend. It's naturally a little cold-natured, but as the bike warms up, it still doesn't want to idle, and it will get so hot that the exhaust will glow red hot at the cat-to-manifold side if you let it. We can't find any way to set/adjust the carb on this model other than an idle-set adjustment screw. I called Powersportsmax today and told them of our findings...their solution? Sending me another stock carb

Hap · 11-28-2022, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrmaster88

I too appreciate these posts! I just got my Templar X in from Powersportsmax, it's all assembled, only one issue my buddy that helped assemble it and I have been trying to get worked out.

The carb seems to be running the bike too rich according to my more mechanically-inclined friend. It's naturally a little cold-natured, but as the bike warms up, it still doesn't want to idle, and it will get so hot that the exhaust will glow red hot at the cat-to-manifold side if you let it. We can't find any way to set/adjust the carb on this model other than an idle-set adjustment screw. I called Powersportsmax today and told them of our findings...their solution? Sending me another stock carb

Go look at Thumpers thread on the Templar X here. He goes into detail about how to get into the stock carburetor and tune it. The factory carbs have inserts covering the adjustment screws. You just have to remove them. They are really good carbs. Yours just needs rejetting.

Thumper · 11-29-2022, 07:15 AM

It would be highly unusual if it were sent jetted rich. There could be a float bowl/inlet valve issue. You probably got a #40 pilot jet, and #120 main jet. These are probably OK at higher elevations. If you are below 1000 feet, those are on the lean side.

Red hot pipe is more likely to be a sign of lean jetting. Rejetting this carb is covered in the 2022 1/2 Templar X thread in this video and pics section.

Opening up the carb is on the post #7, and details are also on post #25.

I posted detailed needle shim instruction somewhere here. I need to track it down and add that to the 2022 1/2 thread. Ah, I found it. See the next post...

Thumper · 11-29-2022, 08:07 AM

The taper on the jet needle determines just how much fuel is allowed up into the venturi area from the float bowl as the slide is lifter (throttle twist). Some needles have a clip and maybe 5 positions to select from. But even if your needle doesn't have this adjustment, you can shim it with washers without changing the position of the clip. That lifts the needle too. I remember learning how to do this on Suzuki CV carbs. The concept is the same, but much easier with just one carb!

It's tight but doable without removing the exhaust on the Templar X. While you are in there, you may also want to bump main jet by one step, and I've also bumped the pilot by one step (still need brief choke to start in cold weather, but not in Summer)

Here's how to shim the needle:
You can loosen the clamps on both sides of the carb, twist the carb top to the right, unscrew the slide cap, and pull the slide out over the head pipe.

Remove the cable from the slide by making slack so the clamped button on the end of the cable can come out via the slot on the side of the slide. You need to compress the large return spring to make slack in the cable. Careful not to lose control of the spring, and keep it clean.

Now that you have the slide out and disconnected from the carb, reach in with hemostat or long skinny pliers to pinch and remove the clip down in the bottom of the slide. Push the needle up/out of the slide. Slide a tiny washer (1mm or so) onto the needle and reinstall the needle. You have now shimmed the needle.

Reinstall the needle clip to hold the needle in the slide. The needle clip/clamp that holds the needle down won't seem to fit all the way down, but that's OK... It will be held down by the large spring-no problem

Reinstall the cable (don't forget to make sure the large spring is between the slide cap and slide barrel. Now you see the large spring holding down the needle clip at the bottom of the slide, even though the clip didn't seem to fit. It's going nowhere, and the needle will stay planted!

Put the slide back into the carb. The slot on the side of the slide must align with the guide post in the inside of slide tower (only one way in!).
Screw the cap back on and straighten the carb back in place, tighten the clamps. Done.

gtrmaster88 · 11-29-2022, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

It would be highly unusual if it were sent jetted rich. You probably got a #40 pilot jet, and #120 main jet. These are probably OK at higher elevations. If you are below 1000 feet, those are on the lean side.

Red hot pipe is more likely to be a sign of lean jetting. Rejetting this carb is covered in the 2022 1/2 Templar X thread in the pics and video section.

To be honest I had never thought about elevation but according to a quick online search, Morehead Kentucky where I reside (across the country from ol' Cali where this bike came from), I'm at 738' above sea level. So I'm sure you're probably right. Probably need to re-jet. Is there a link or place online you all would suggest for ordering the correct jets to fit the PE28?

Thumper · 11-30-2022, 08:17 AM

For jets, look at post 18 above
See the reference to posts #7 and #25 there? That's where the jet info is ( where to get them).

gtrmaster88 · 11-29-2022, 09:26 PM

Hap, Thumper, thank you all so much. I will definitely dig into this carb with my more mechanically-inclined buddy, hopefully this weekend when he's off work, and though he and I neither one are very much experienced on carb work, hopefully we can figure this one out with your knowledge and tutorials.

I was afraid where these are still fairly new to the market that there wouldn't be any help on particular things I run across, but glad to see there is a wealth of info here. Thanks again! I'll message back once I've gotten to try this out and see what my results are.

As for the washer needed to do the job, is that something I should be able to find at my local hardware store? Not sure what diameter/circumference I need to look for but once we tear into it I'd say it will become a bit more apparent.

Discoveror · 11-30-2022, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrmaster88

... neither one are very much experienced on carb work,

After all the talk (e.g. about the 14.7:1 air/fuel stoichiometric relationship), your best source to KNOW (not just guess) what's going on in that combustion chamber is looking at the spark plug center electrode UNDER LOAD.

Pull the spark plug; the center electrode should be a very light tan color. Darker colors, including black, indicate a rich air:fuel ratio; a white center electrode indicates a lean mixture.

If the engine is allowed to drop to idle speed, that center electrode can/will change color. To see what going on (i.e. what the air:fuel ratio is) UNDER LOAD, kill the engine at speed withOUT rolling off the throttle (remember: the center electrode color you see will reflect the air:fuel ratio when the ignition was killed; you don't want that to be the air:fuel mixture at idle), de-clutch, stop the bike and pull the plug for a look.

Less oxygen at higher altitudes means less fuel is required to obtain that ideal 14.7:1 air:fuel ratio.

Enjoy ... jetting carburetors is a fun (and rewarding) undertaking ... made even more fun when accompanied by PATIENCE (and perseverance).

Zoey · 12-04-2022, 02:50 AM

How Good is the Headlight on this Bike Looks Kinda Small.

Hap · 12-04-2022, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoey

How Good is the Headlight on this Bike Looks Kinda Small.

On a scale from 1-10. I would give it a 6. If you can adjust it just right it’s adequate. It’s a led. I’m sure you can get a better bulb.

buzz · 12-12-2022, 06:56 AM

Wished I would have bought this bike is steed of my TBR7,sounds like alot better bike. Its is my first china bike, didn;t know of this bike when I bought mine. Happy trails.

Hap · 12-12-2022, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz

Wished I would have bought this bike is steed of my TBR7,sounds like alot better bike. Its is my first china bike, didn;t know of this bike when I bought mine. Happy trails.

Enjoy your TBR7. I wouldn’t be surprised if a 300cc water cooled version isn’t introduced by this summer. Maybe you can sell yours and get one of those then. There’s always going to be something better down the road.

Thumper · 01-10-2023, 01:32 PM

I got the red idle adjust knob for my 5 speed, $6.60 delivered

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The bike is sitting under a tarp on the back porch under the deck. Same carb so it should fit just as well as the blue one I installed on the Blue 6 speed

I posted this on my 2022 1/2 Temp X thread in video and pics section:

https://www.chinariders.net/showpost...4&postcount=53

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11-28-2022, 10:48 PM	#3
gtrmaster88 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Morehead, Ky Posts: 20	Templar X Received...Working through some Bugs I too appreciate these posts! I just got my Templar X in from Powersportsmax, it's all assembled, only one issue my buddy that helped assemble it and I have been trying to get worked out. The carb seems to be running the bike too rich according to my more mechanically-inclined friend. It's naturally a little cold-natured, but as the bike warms up, it still doesn't want to idle, and it will get so hot that the exhaust will glow red hot at the cat-to-manifold side if you let it. We can't find any way to set/adjust the carb on this model other than an idle-set adjustment screw. I called Powersportsmax today and told them of our findings...their solution? Sending me another stock carb
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11-29-2022, 07:15 AM	#5
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,282	It would be highly unusual if it were sent jetted rich. There could be a float bowl/inlet valve issue. You probably got a #40 pilot jet, and #120 main jet. These are probably OK at higher elevations. If you are below 1000 feet, those are on the lean side. Red hot pipe is more likely to be a sign of lean jetting. Rejetting this carb is covered in the 2022 1/2 Templar X thread in this video and pics section. Opening up the carb is on the post #7, and details are also on post #25. I posted detailed needle shim instruction somewhere here. I need to track it down and add that to the 2022 1/2 thread. Ah, I found it. See the next post... Last edited by Thumper; 11-29-2022 at 08:08 AM.
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11-29-2022, 08:07 AM	#6
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,282	Needle shim instructions The taper on the jet needle determines just how much fuel is allowed up into the venturi area from the float bowl as the slide is lifter (throttle twist). Some needles have a clip and maybe 5 positions to select from. But even if your needle doesn't have this adjustment, you can shim it with washers without changing the position of the clip. That lifts the needle too. I remember learning how to do this on Suzuki CV carbs. The concept is the same, but much easier with just one carb! It's tight but doable without removing the exhaust on the Templar X. While you are in there, you may also want to bump main jet by one step, and I've also bumped the pilot by one step (still need brief choke to start in cold weather, but not in Summer) Here's how to shim the needle: You can loosen the clamps on both sides of the carb, twist the carb top to the right, unscrew the slide cap, and pull the slide out over the head pipe. Remove the cable from the slide by making slack so the clamped button on the end of the cable can come out via the slot on the side of the slide. You need to compress the large return spring to make slack in the cable. Careful not to lose control of the spring, and keep it clean. Now that you have the slide out and disconnected from the carb, reach in with hemostat or long skinny pliers to pinch and remove the clip down in the bottom of the slide. Push the needle up/out of the slide. Slide a tiny washer (1mm or so) onto the needle and reinstall the needle. You have now shimmed the needle. Reinstall the needle clip to hold the needle in the slide. The needle clip/clamp that holds the needle down won't seem to fit all the way down, but that's OK... It will be held down by the large spring-no problem Reinstall the cable (don't forget to make sure the large spring is between the slide cap and slide barrel. Now you see the large spring holding down the needle clip at the bottom of the slide, even though the clip didn't seem to fit. It's going nowhere, and the needle will stay planted! Put the slide back into the carb. The slot on the side of the slide must align with the guide post in the inside of slide tower (only one way in!). Screw the cap back on and straighten the carb back in place, tighten the clamps. Done.
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12-04-2022, 02:50 AM	#11
Zoey Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 2	Headlight How Good is the Headlight on this Bike Looks Kinda Small.
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01-10-2023, 01:32 PM	#15
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,282	2022 5 speed thread post I got the red idle adjust knob for my 5 speed, $6.60 delivered The bike is sitting under a tarp on the back porch under the deck. Same carb so it should fit just as well as the blue one I installed on the Blue 6 speed I posted this on my 2022 1/2 Temp X thread in video and pics section: https://www.chinariders.net/showpost...4&postcount=53 (https://www.chinariders.net/showthre...t=31439&page=4)
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07-21-2022, 01:36 AM	#1
Spoonbender Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Washington Posts: 3	I missed out on the X, but really happy with the bike!https://share.icloud.com/photos/0beH...vr6WRjDBhoaF8w
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09-13-2022, 08:22 AM	#2
tknj99 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Central VA Posts: 1,256	That's a great assessment and observation of the bike and its limitations. Yes, any of these dual sport 250's are woefully inadequate at speed.. even with a brief stint of ownership of a CSC RX4 with the 450cc engine i found it to be inadequate on the highway.. up an incline on rt 64 where the speed limit is 70mph would have me full-throttled with barely any left to overtake. I think the best mix is one of these 250's (ideally 6-speed variant) for gravel roads, trails and around town or back-roads and then a street machine for touring. I'm in the market for that and it needs to be able to handle 2-up.. i had a look at the SG400 and kpm 200 but sadly despite the price being right would not be well suited for that. Anyway, im loving the Templar X and these 250's have been great to me thus far after a few years of owning a Brozz and then a Titan with little to no issues other than things coming loose from all the vibrations, par for the course i guess __________________ 2024 Zuma Storm 150 DLX 2019 Beta 430 RRS 2017 Honda Fury Former China Bikes: Tao DBX1, Brozz 250, CSC RX4, Titan DLX, Templar X
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11-30-2022, 08:17 AM	#8
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,282	For jets, look at post 18 above See the reference to posts #7 and #25 there? That's where the jet info is ( where to get them).
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11-29-2022, 09:26 PM	#9
gtrmaster88 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Morehead, Ky Posts: 20	Hap, Thumper, thank you all so much. I will definitely dig into this carb with my more mechanically-inclined buddy, hopefully this weekend when he's off work, and though he and I neither one are very much experienced on carb work, hopefully we can figure this one out with your knowledge and tutorials. I was afraid where these are still fairly new to the market that there wouldn't be any help on particular things I run across, but glad to see there is a wealth of info here. Thanks again! I'll message back once I've gotten to try this out and see what my results are. As for the washer needed to do the job, is that something I should be able to find at my local hardware store? Not sure what diameter/circumference I need to look for but once we tear into it I'd say it will become a bit more apparent.
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12-12-2022, 06:56 AM	#13
buzz Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Dayton Pa. Posts: 861	Wished I would have bought this bike is steed of my TBR7,sounds like alot better bike. Its is my first china bike, didn;t know of this bike when I bought mine. Happy trails.
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