2012 Honda CRF250L: A Dual Sport CBR250R!

[SpudRider]

Honda is taking the liquid cooled, fuel injected engine from the new CBR250R street bike, and putting it in a dual sport motorcycle. :) Here are links to threads describing this new dual sport motorcycle.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/04/13/manufacturers/honda/2012-honda-crf250l-specs-released/
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/04/19/manufacturers/honda/honda-crf250l-confirmed-for-north-america/

The fuel injected, CRF250L will replace the carbureted CRF230L. This bike is a little heavy, but I love the concept of a fuel injected, water cooled, single cylinder, dual sport bike from Honda! Here comes some competition for the Yamaha WR250R. :D I hope Honda keeps the price reasonable. ;)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here are some photographs of the CRF250L. :D

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/113011-2012-honda-crf250l-1.jpg

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/113011-2012-honda-crf250l-6-500x350.jpg

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/113011-2012-honda-crf250l-5.jpg

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I love it!

Finally!

[SpudRider]

I found some more photographs of this new motorcycle. :)

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/041312-2012-honda-crf250l-24.jpg

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/041312-2012-honda-crf250l-10.jpg

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/041312-2012-honda-crf250l-19.jpg

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

If Honda can keep the price of this dual sport bike close to the price of the CBR250R, I think it will have a big winner! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Looks like a good competitor for my KLX but the EFI is a very nice benefit. I like it! :P

[SpudRider]

Here's a nice video showing some of the features of the new bike. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQNKbs3V9sE

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here's another video. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1fwAYmhYPU

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here's another video I enjoyed watching. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT8hNIOaAOU

This bike gets 104 mpg traveling at a steady 36 mph. :) The engine produces 23 hp, which is less than the WR250R; however, we can hope the price tag will be substantially lower. ;) Can we expect this bike will arrive in North America this year? :D

Spud :)

[gloud]

Hmm that may (MAY) make me buy a new bike this year if they hit the US.
I was interested in the WR250r but it is too frigging tall for commuting. if the CRF250L is a little shorter than I am in. (with my injuries I have a hard time on tall bikes anymore. Sitting in traffic forget about it. but the XL is nice in that regard.)

Stock it looks like it is about 1" shorter. then with a little messing around I could get it another 1" so may be doable. (as long as they come here.)

[FastDoc]

A little less power than the KLX, but I'm still a big believer in the advantages of fuel injection. :P

Weight seems similar. The Honda also has a higher tech chassis. In the looks department they both are great but the Honda looks a little more modern.

Both have great instrumentation which I like. Both should have coolant temp gauges though. :roll:

For me the difference would be the FI. 8)

Before buying the KLX I had considered the WR but declined because it was over $1,500 MORE money for just a bit more performance. It also has an aluminum frame but the weight was almost the same as my bike.

The Yamaha engine though outperforms my KLX. In modified form my KLX makes just about as much as a stock WR.

[Weldangrind]

That looks like a terrific successor to the XL lineage.

[SpudRider]

Hmm that may (MAY) make me buy a new bike this year if they hit the US.
I was interested in the WR250r but it is too frigging tall for commuting. if the CRF250L is a little shorter than I am in. (with my injuries I have a hard time on tall bikes anymore. Sitting in traffic forget about it. but the XL is nice in that regard.)

Stock it looks like it is about 1" shorter. then with a little messing around I could get it another 1" so may be doable. (as long as they come here.)
The CRF250L has a saddle height of 34.4 inches, which I think is just about perfect! :) The bike is a little heavy with a 314-pound curb weight. However, I'm sure one could drop some weight from the bike, and gain some power from the engine with an aftermarket muffler. ;)

I believe this bike is scheduled to arrive in Canada this summer, so I suspect it will arrive in the United States at the same time. I sure hope so! :D

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

A little less power than the KLX, but I'm still a big believer in the advantages of fuel injection. :P

Weight seems similar. The Honda also has a higher tech chassis. In the looks department they both are great but the Honda looks a little more modern.

Both have great instrumentation which I like. Both should have coolant temp gauges though. :roll:

For me the difference would be the FI. 8)

Before buying the KLX I had considered the WR but declined because it was over $1,500 MORE money for just a bit more performance. It also has an aluminum frame but the weight was almost the same as my bike.

The Yamaha engine though outperforms my KLX. In modified form my KLX makes just about as much as a stock WR.
In stock form the CRF250L makes more power than the stock KLX250S. I'm sure one could increase the power of the Honda similar to the way he increases the power of the KLX250S. ;)

I don't know about your KLX250S, but the Honda has an "idiot light" for the engine temperature. Nevertheless, one can easily add a TTO Temperature Gauge to the coolant line for $35. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

It would be nice if Honda made a package deal of a CRF250L and a CBR250R. 8)

[SpudRider]

That looks like a terrific successor to the XL lineage.
I love the entire concept of a high-tech, liquid cooled, single cylinder, fuel injected engine! I would love to have a matching pair of the CBR250R and the CRF250L! :D Since these bikes are manufactured in India and Thailand, the price of spare parts, as well as the price of the bikes, is very low. :D I certainly hope Honda prices the CRF250L around $4,000, the same as the CBR250R!

Spud :)

[gloud]

I would be all over the bike at $4K

[SpudRider]

...
For me the difference would be the FI. 8)...
Fuel injection is the bee's knees! :D No carburetor to clean or rejet with fuel injection! Don't worry about altitude changes! The bike starts easily at any temperature, and any altitude; just turn the key and ride without a warmup period. :D Engine performance and fuel economy are maximized with fuel injection. This bike gets 104 mpg when riding at a stead 36 mph! Therefore, the stock, 2-gallon fuel tank has a range over 200 miles! :D

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

I would be all over the bike at $4K
Me too! I couldn't resist at that price. ;)

Spud :D

[FastDoc]

I wonder how well it would do on the street in a 'race' with a CBR250. It could be a guy wouldn't even 'need' both.

After riding Roger's FI KX450F against my 'old school' YZ400F the FI has it ALL OVER the carburetor, and my YZ has an excellent carburetor. A flat side pumper carb with cold air induction hot start and electronic control integrated with the electronic ignition.

I'd $hitcan it in a moment for FI though. :P

[SpudRider]

Of course, the CBR250R has much better wind protection. Therefore, top speed should be higher with the CBR250R, and touring would be far more comfortable. ;)

Imagine the convenience and cost effectiveness of having a sport/touring bike and a dual sport bike with the same, economical, water cooled, fuel injected, high-tech, single cylinder engine! :D

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

It sounds like a near-perfect 1/4 litre adventure bike. If I was in the market for a new bike, I'd jump on it.

[FastDoc]

The European KLX is fuel injected. Choosing between an EFI KLX vs an EFI CRF would be harder but against a carburetor its hands down, all else being equal.

I wonder how well the engines have been holding up in the CBRs... :?:

[davidsonsgccc]

i like my cheap and efficent zong but that does sound like a good upgrade. especially with the poor quality of gas i keep seeing the fuel injection would probably earn its keep in mileage increase.

[FastDoc]

I like the EFI for it's self adjusting nature.

On a given ride out West we may change altitude by many thousands of feet, and 40+ degrees of temprature. A carb can't do a darn thing about it but EFI you'll always be right on the money.

As a bonus you can screw with the pipe and/or air filter and it adjusts itself. At the worst you reprogram it a bit with a software change and your laptop.

[SpudRider]

The engine in the new CRF250L/CBR250R is very high tech. Honda applied for 9 new patents on this engine. :D Check out the quote from the following link.

http://motorcycles.about.com/od/honda/a/2011-Honda-Cbr250r-Tech-Dive.htm

"The CBR250R is powered by a single-cylinder, liquid-cooled 249cc engine that boasts 9 unique patents. The fuel-injected mill features a so-called "offset cylinder" whose centerline is moved 4mm towards the exhaust side of the engine. The purpose of un-aligning the cylinder from the crankshaft is to reduce the resistance between the piston and the cylinder during the power stroke. On the outside of the cylinder sleeves, a spiny texture helps dissipate heat and aid cooling, while keeping inner cylinder wall distortion to a minimum. The cylinders are centrifugally cast for thin, uniform wall thickness, and a striated piston skirt retains engine oil for better lubrication. An Idle Air Control Valve aids smooth throttle response and minimizes torque reaction.
A dual overhead cam valvetrain design was chosen for greater combustion efficiency and in order to reduce the weight of reciprocating portion of the valves. While a DOHC setup is not unusual in a motorcycle, the CBR250R features the world's first patented application of roller rocker arms used in combination with DOHC valves. The arrangement's lightweight components enable lower overall friction levels. Within the valvetrain assembly-- which is operated by a "Silent Type" cam chain-- an O2 sensor and air injector work together along with an exhaust catalyzer for reduced emissions. Charging efficiency is enhanced by the straight path from air cleaner to exhaust pipe, and valve shape is also optimized for intake and exhaust flow. Finally, a primary balancer reduces engine vibration."

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here are some photographs I found regarding the technology in the CRF250L/CRB250R engine. :)

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/q/N/0/-/CBR250R_Primary_Balancer_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/r/N/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_AI-Pathway_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/u/N/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_Conceptual-Diagram-of-Offset-Cylinder_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/s/N/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_AI-O2-Sensor_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/w/N/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_Cross-Section_Cylinder-Head_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/v/N/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_Cross-Section_Crankshaft_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/y/N/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_Cylinder-Sleeve_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/x/N/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_Cross-Section_Straight-Port_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/0/O/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_Roller-rocker-arm_lr.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/motorcycles/1/0/2/O/0/-/CBR250R_Power-Unit_Striations-on-the-Piston-Skirt_lr.jpg

Finally some creative thinking and innovation for small displacement engines! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

That offset cylinder makes such sense amazing it took 100 years to patent it. I wonder how much it helps? Seems like it would decrease friction.

[MICRider]

And I fell in love all over again... That bike is sweet! 8)

[Weldangrind]

I bet that O2 sensor isn't cheap. I wonder how long an O2 sensor lasts on a dual sport?

[SpudRider]

I'm going to ask the local Honda dealer if he knows when this bike is coming to the United States. ;)

As with all Honda dirt bikes, the frame and suspension are excellent. Here's the information I garnered from the Honda World website.

http://world.honda.com/news/2012/2120413New-CRF250L-OnOff-Road-Model/index.html

"The newly-designed frame makes use of a steel twin-tube design to offer a nimble ride while ensuring both agility and stability, and the oval cross-sectional shape of the main pipe helps boost rigidity while enabling a slim vehicle body. The inverted front suspension employs a Separate Function Front Fork having an inner tube diameter of 43 mm and a cushion stroke of 250 mm in a design that secures both light weight and high rigidity to deliver excellent operability and high driving stability. The aluminum monoblock cast swing arm yields high strength and proper rigidity balance and is paired with a Pro-Link rear suspension having 240 mm of axle travel providing the rider with impressive agility and high road-holding capability from urban riding to off road."

http://bikeadvice.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/26-Copy.jpg

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

I bet that O2 sensor isn't cheap. I wonder how long an O2 sensor lasts on a dual sport?
The parts for this engine are surprisingly inexpensive! Honda is aiming hard for the Third World marketplace with the CRF250L, and the CBR250R. We in North America also get to benefit from the low pricing. :D The O2 sensor, part #11 in the diagram below, sells for $62.28.

http://cdn.cheapcycleparts.com/images/HO/14KYJB01/KYJ4E0200.png

http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/12402-honda-2011--cbr250r/assemblies/241652-cylinder-head

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

That's fair. Knowing Honda, I was concerned that it would eclipse $100.00.

[SpudRider]

I know what you mean! :P Check out the prices for the other parts at the website I referenced. ;) Honda manufactures the CRF250L in Thailand. This bike, and the CBR250R are aimed squarely at the Third World marketplace; that's why the MSRPs are so reasonable. The prices for parts are similarly reasonable. :D Honda is definitely taking a step in the right direction with this motorcycle. ;)

Spud :)

[pete]

Hmm that may (MAY) make me buy a new bike this year if they hit the US.
I was interested in the WR250r but it is too frigging tall for commuting. if the CRF250L is a little shorter than I am in. (with my injuries I have a hard time on tall bikes anymore. Sitting in traffic forget about it. but the XL is nice in that regard.)

Stock it looks like it is about 1" shorter. then with a little messing around I could get it another 1" so may be doable. (as long as they come here.)
The CRF250L has a saddle height of 34.4 inches, which I think is just about perfect! :) The bike is a little heavy with a 314-pound curb weight. However, I'm sure one could drop some weight from the bike, and gain some power from the engine with an aftermarket muffler. ;)

I believe this bike is scheduled to arrive in Canada this summer, so I suspect it will arrive in the United States at the same time. I sure hope so! :D

Spud :)

Just compairing the weight & seat hight with my
05 XR250 Tornado..

It has the about the same seat hight
Tornado is 880mm / 34.7" ---- CRF 34.4"
But its a bit heavyer than the Tornado..
Tornado is 234kgs / 295.4lbs ---- CRF 314lbs

May be a bike worth looking at... wonder how
highly stressed the motor is.. HP output.

PS....
Honda Brazil have played with the XR250 Tornado
and come up with the XRE300 , 6mm bigger bore &
fuel injection for another 3hp :roll: but the torgue might
be the real benifit..
And some of the shittyest styleing to plage the motorcycle world..
Open the link below... to be shocked.... It's A ugly bugger
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_J9bnnRgW4f8/SipVomE7iSI/AAAAAAAADy4/w3QyCxEE2IA/s400/honda-xre-300+1.jpg

[Weldangrind]

Honda is definitely taking a step in the right direction with this motorcycle.

I hope so. From the bit of reading I've done on some of the four stroke forums, the CRF230 was not taken seriously, since it isn't "Japanese". We're not so quick to discriminate in this shop, but I am curious about the quality of workmanship.

[SpudRider]

Honda is claiming 23 hp for the fuel injected, water cooled, CRF250L. That's the same hp figure quoted for your carbureted, air cooled, XR250 Tornado, Pete. :? I've got to believe one can get some more power out of the CRF250L with a free flowing exhaust, et cetera. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

I wonder if the injector would be capable of supporting an open exhaust? Doc figures that the computer would be able to compensate for changes, but perhaps the injector just won't flow that much. I know that you can tweak the pulse width, but that's only if you find software and a cable. Who knows what sort of ALDL port this bike will have.

[SpudRider]

Honda is definitely taking a step in the right direction with this motorcycle.

I hope so. From the bit of reading I've done on some of the four stroke forums, the CRF230 was not taken seriously, since it isn't "Japanese". We're not so quick to discriminate in this shop, but I am curious about the quality of workmanship.
As you said, we know better, Weld. ;) I'm confident Honda will get it right! It is well Honda has had practice manufacturing this engine for the CBR250R before it introduced the CRF250L. ;)

The Honda Pro-Link suspensions are well developed, and very good. I don't see how Honda will allow the CRF250L to get screwed up. The Chinese have really taken a large share of the Third World marketplace from the Japanese. Honda is finally getting serious about the huge world marketplace for 250cc engines. :D

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

I wonder if the injector would be capable of supporting an open exhaust? Doc figures that the computer would be able to compensate for changes, but perhaps the injector just won't flow that much. I know that you can tweak the pulse width, but that's only if you find software and a cable. Who knows what sort of ALDL port this bike will have.
I think there will be huge aftermarket support for this bike. ;) However, I'm content with the 23 ponies in the stock configuration. :D I even like the 2.0-gallon fuel tank if the bike will deliver 104 mpg, as promised!

Spud :D

[Weldangrind]

I'm with you. 23 is fine for what I do, but a little shy on the freeway.

[pete]

I wonder if the injector would be capable of supporting an open exhaust? Doc figures that the computer would be able to compensate for changes, but perhaps the injector just won't flow that much. I know that you can tweak the pulse width, but that's only if you find software and a cable. Who knows what sort of ALDL port this bike will have.

Thats simple to do.. to richen or lean the mixture
you trick the CPU into thinking the air temp is hotter or colder
than it is... by useing a pentometer conected to the the air box
O2 sencer..I have one on my XT660..just turn a nob to richen or lean
out the mixture..

Theres lot of gizzmo out there to do it... powercommander is prob the
best known one..can be used with standard or custom fuel maps..
I have a Nitro X fuel commander for the XT that I have never put on..

[SpudRider]

I'm with you. 23 is fine for what I do, but a little shy on the freeway.
I know what you mean, but it's not much fun riding a dual sport bike on the freeway, anyway. ;) Even in stock form, the bike should have enough guts for short, freeway sprints. :) However, I think Pete is correct; it won't be too difficult to squeeze a few more ponies out of this water cooled, fuel injected engine. :D

Spud :)

[pete]

Honda is claiming 23 hp for the fuel injected, water cooled, CRF250L. That's the same hp figure quoted for your carbureted, air cooled, XR250 Tornado, Pete. :? I've got to believe one can get some more power out of the CRF250L with a free flowing exhaust, et cetera. ;)

Spud :)

23hp 8) ....good engine life / fuel comsumption
but still enough power for tootling around the back countrey.

might look at one if they import them here..
seems to be less & less models each year imported.

There seems to be few little probs with it for a small ADV bike
fuel tanks to small..
don't seem to be any where solid to bolt a rear rack..
head lights to low to use a guard mounted tool bag ..

Prob getting a bit picky now... :oops:

[SpudRider]

I really enjoy watching this particular video at the Honda World website. :D

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/video/index.html

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

There seems to be few little probs with it for a small ADV bike
fuel tanks to small..
don't seem to be any where solid to bolt a rear rack..
head lights to low to use a guard mounted tool bag ..

Prob getting a bit picky now... :oops:

No, that's not picky. It can't be much of an adventure bike without storage (cargo or fuel).

[pete]

I really enjoy watching this particular video at the Honda World website. :D

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/video/index.html

Spud :)

Nice..
but this one's still the best...
Steve McQueen / CR250 Elsinore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8nJvgSlSiM

[SpudRider]

Steve McQueen was a remarkably good rider. :) He could act, also. ;)

The CRF250L appears to be just about perfect for the riding I enjoy best here, in Idaho. I hope Honda keeps the price comparable to the CBR250R. :roll: If Honda decides to maximize profits on this bike, I will take a pass on it. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

pete, that was flat awesome! Thanks for the vid. Apparently, McQueen had a pimpin' boogie van. :lol:

[SpudRider]

X2! I enjoyed the video, Pete. :D

Spud :)

[pete]

pete, that was flat awesome! Thanks for the vid. Apparently, McQueen had a pimpin' boogie van. :lol:


I'm getting old..

I can remember that playing in the picture thearters at
intervial about 1974..

[FastDoc]

I can't see the video mow but if we're talking Steve McQueen have you all seen, "On Any Sunday"?

[SpudRider]

I think most of Pete's commercial was borrowed from "On Any Sunday." ;)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

The oil filler plug is easily accessible, as is the oil filter. The engine also has an oil sight glass. :)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/gallery/image/img_machine06.jpg

The foot pegs are wider than those of the XR250. :)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/comfort/image/img_size.gif

The stock skid plate certainly seems adequate. :)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/gallery/image/img_offroad05.jpg

If the MSRP is close to $4,000, this bike will be very hard to resist! :D

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/engine/image/img_crf250l.jpg

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

The engine in the stock, Yamaha WR250R generates 28 horsepower. The engine in the stock, Honda CRF250L generates 23 horsepower. I would be surprised if one couldn't get a few more horsepower from the liquid cooled, fuel injected, Honda engine. ;) However, 23 ponies is enough power for the riding I like best here in Idaho.

Also, if the CRF250L is priced close to the CBR250R, it will have an MSRP of approximately $4,099 USD. The Yamaha WR250R has an MSRP of $6,590 USD. I will gladly forego the 5 extra horsepower if I can pocket the extra $2,500 USD. ;)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/gallery/image/img_offroad06.jpg

Spud :)

[pete]

Wonder how big the clutch is.. As the houseing dosn't look
very big in Dia..
It would be great if a Rekluse full or semi auto clutch would fit..
http://rekluse.mybigcommerce.com/
http://youtu.be/WqU-ABaxICA

[SpudRider]

I don't know what size the clutch is; I couldn't find any specifications. ;) However, here's a parts diagram of the clutch assembly. :)

http://cdn.cheapcycleparts.com/images/HO/14KYJB01/KYJ4E0800.png

Just in case anyone is wondering, the CRF250L has a six-speed transmission. :)

Spud :)

[katoranger]

I am liking it. Maybe in 2022 I can afford a used one.

[gloud]

Well seeing as how the CRF230L is MSRP at $4999.00 I don't see 4K right away. but at the 5K mark I would still go red. I have run enough Yamaha's and their compromises for a lifetime. (not so much the current Wr but all the other Yams I have raced and ridden.)

[Weldangrind]

The stock skid plate certainly seems adequate. :)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/gallery/image/img_offroad05.jpg


The wide foot pegs, sight glass and six speed are all terrific features, but the stock skid plate isn't wide enough. I needs to shield a bit of the side covers and protect the oil filter and water pump housings. The stock skid plate is certainly better than what came on my XR, but the aftermarket will need to come to the rescue.

[Weldangrind]

I can't see the video mow but if we're talking Steve McQueen have you all seen, "On Any Sunday"?

I actually came across that last night on Youtube for the first time. I haven't seen all of it yet.

[FastDoc]

The stock skid plate was the first thing I changed on my KLX. The aftermarket will step up to the plate I'm sure.

I see it has a steel frame like my KLX. I don't know why I assumed it was aluminum.

The MSRP for a 2012 KLX250 is $5,000.

NO WAY Honda will introduce a newer model with FI for less than that. The KLX is ALSO not made in Japan.

I'm betting on $5,999 gentlemen, sorry to say.

[SpudRider]

Well seeing as how the CRF230L is MSRP at $4999.00 I don't see 4K right away. but at the 5K mark I would still go red. I have run enough Yamaha's and their compromises for a lifetime. (not so much the current Wr but all the other Yams I have raced and ridden.)
Yes, but the MSRP for the new CBR250R is currently $4,099, and the CRF250L shares the same engine. ;) Both bikes are manufactured in Thailand; hence the affordable price. Honda is finally trying to recapture some of the Third World market for small displacement motorcycles from the Chinese with these motorcycles. Therefore, I am hoping the MSRP of the CRF250L matches the price of the CBR250R. ;) However, I never underestimate the power of corporate greed, so only time will tell. :roll:

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

The stock skid plate certainly seems adequate. :)

The wide foot pegs, sight glass and six speed are all terrific features, but the stock skid plate isn't wide enough. I needs to shield a bit of the side covers and protect the oil filter and water pump housings. The stock skid plate is certainly better than what came on my XR, but the aftermarket will need to come to the rescue.
I'm glad to see a stock skid plate included with the bike. :) As I said, I think the stock skid plate is adequate; however, I agree, the stock skid plate is certainly less than ideal. ;) I agree with you completely; I would prefer better coverage for the bottom of the frame and the sides of the engine. ;) I also agree with FastDoc; the aftermarket will rush to provide a better skid plate. :D Nevertheless, an adequate skid plate, even less than ideal, is much better than no skid plate at all! :lol:

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

You may be right Spud.

I'll betcha Honda loses money at that price on the CBR's though and they choose to do that to introduce new riders to their brand. I just can't picture the CRF being a grand less than an older model (the 230 or the KLX250) without FI. I think it will be at least the same as the WR at around 6 grand.

I bought my new (leftover) KLX for less than $4,000 OTD IIRC. :P

JMHO.

[SpudRider]

Dual sport bikes always seem to cost much more that street bikes. :( The superior, dirt bike suspension probably contributes to the higher cost. ;) This bike is supposed to go on sale in Japan this month. I wonder if we can discover the Japanese MSRP for this bike? Then we will have a good clue as to how much this bike will cost relative to the CBR250R. :idea:

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here's the best price information I could find so far. :roll: This Indian website speculates the cost of the CRF250L will be 1.5 lakh rupees, if the bike is sold in India. This particular post was made on April 28, 2012.

http://www.drivespark.com/two-wheelers/2012/28-honda-crf-250l-launch-india.html

One lakh rupee is equal to 100,000 rupees. Therefore, 1.5 lakh rupees is 150,000 rupees. At the current exchange rage, 150,000 rupees is equal to $2,859 USD. Of course, this price is too low. ;) However, the speculation in India seems to confirm they anticipate the bike will cost approximately the same as the CBR250R. I hope they are correct. :roll:

Can anyone find the Japanese MSRP for this bike? :?:

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

OK. I am not surprised, but I was indeed, too optimistic. :roll: Visiting the Honda Japan website, I discovered the MSRP of the CRF250L is 449,499 yen, including tax. The MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda.co.jp%2F

At the current exchange rate, 428,000 yen is equal to $5,335 USD. This would price the CRF250L approximately $1,000 USD less than the Yamaha WR250R, which seems appropriate. Compared to the competition, that's a good price. :) However, it's too rich for my blood. ;) I'll keep riding my Zong, and wait a few years to see if I can find a good price on a used CRF250L. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

"Got some rupees in my pocket goin' 'jing-a-ling-a-ling' Gonna call you on the telephone gonna give you a ring....(Georgia Satelites) :P

[gloud]

Well at 5K I would still be in the game. But As long as mom's house sells and I get the estate settled I will be able to pay off all my bills (not my house) and have some in the bank. if they have decent financing I would go for it.
Time will tell.

And Yes Spud you were optimistic. (not a bad thing) but no way the replacement model with more bling is going to be cheaper.

[FastDoc]

The Yamaha lists for $6,590.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/yamaha/wr/250r/94760/05/index.html

No way can I see the Honda, which is about a 4 year newer design, also with fuel injection, selling for much less than that.

[FastDoc]

So 5 grand for the Kawasaki, 6,600 for the Yamaha, the LOWEST I see the Honda will be 6,000, and given the price of the Yamaha, maybe quite a bit higher than that.

[katoranger]

I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.

[FastDoc]

I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.

K

L

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:?:

[MICRider]

I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.

K

L

R

:?:

Im looking for a thumbs up smiley... :wink:

[pete]

[quote="katoranger"]I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.[/quote

I would sayDR but being a china bike forum ..better say
get a chinese bike..

[SpudRider]

I just checked the Honda Japan website for the price of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine with the CRF250L. ;) Honda Japan has the same price listed for the CBR250R as the CRF250L. The price for both is 449,499 yen, including tax; the MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

My hope is the CRF250L will sell for the same price as the CRB250R in the United States, as well. ;) The MSRP for the 2012 CBR250R is $4,099.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cbr250r.aspx

Do you think Honda will charge more for the CRF250L than the CBR250R in the United States? Honda is charging the same price for both bikes in Japan. ;) Perhaps my optimism is not misplaced after all. :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

This website speculates the CRF250L will sell for a bit less than the CBR250R in India. ;)

http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/motorcycles/2012-honda-crf250l-on-off-road-dual-purpose-motorcycle-india-launch-58773/

Nevertheless, I never underestimate the power of corporate greed. :roll:

Spud :)

[pete]

The CBR is $7,500 here..
Looking though Honda NZ web site...
I noticed the XR125 is the only road
legal dirt bike Honda NZ import now..

[SpudRider]

Whatever price Honda charges for the CRF250L, it's obvious the CBR250R is a great deal at $4,099 USD. ;)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

The following link says the price for the CRF250L in Canada is expected to be about CN$5000. This price is close to the price of the ABS-enabled CBR250R.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/02/29/manufacturers/honda/2012-honda-crf250l-announced-for-europe-but-not-for-america-yet/

If this expected, Canadian price is accurate, the price for the CRF250L in the United States should be about $4,600, which is the MSRP for the ABS version of the CBR250R. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

"Got some rupees in my pocket goin' 'jing-a-ling-a-ling' Gonna call you on the telephone gonna give you a ring....(Georgia Satelites) :P

That's awesome! :lol:

[Weldangrind]

I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.

I'm willing to bet that Kato ends up with a sweet China DS. Who's gonna take that action? :lol: Seriously, I hope you find a great deal on a Q or Zong.

[Weldangrind]

The following link says the price for the CRF250L in Canada is expected to be about CN$5000. This price is close to the price of the ABS-enabled CBR250R.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/02/29/manufacturers/honda/2012-honda-crf250l-announced-for-europe-but-not-for-america-yet/

If this expected, Canadian price is accurate, the price for the CRF250L in the United States should be about $4,600, which is the MSRP for the ABS version of the CBR250R. ;)

Spud :)

That's great news, Spud! I can see your logic here, and I'm also hopeful that the CRF250L will be priced similarly to the CBR250R.

[SpudRider]

If the CRF250L sells for $4,600 in the United States, I think it's a steal. :D I guess we must patiently wait a few weeks for Honda to announce its prices for the CRF250L in the United States and Canada. :roll:

Spud :)

[katoranger]

I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.

I'm willing to bet that Kato ends up with a sweet China DS. Who's gonna take that action? :lol: Seriously, I hope you find a great deal on a Q or Zong.

Thinking Q or Zong. KLR is nice, but I am not really tall enough. Riding one made me uncomfortable. All that weight too.

[Weldangrind]

When you're ready, you'll have a whole team watching CL for you. :D

[katoranger]

I need one for less than $500.

[Weldangrind]

That's a tall order, but not impossible. Doc wanted a similar amount for his old Zong, but that's because he thought it was possessed. :lol:

Are you stuck on a Q or Zong, or would you accept another Honda clone?

[FastDoc]

I just checked the Honda Japan website for the price of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine with the CRF250L. ;) Honda Japan has the same price listed for the CBR250R as the CRF250L. The price for both is 449,499 yen, including tax; the MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

My hope is the CRF250L will sell for the same price as the CRB250R in the United States, as well. ;) The MSRP for the 2012 CBR250R is $4,099.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cbr250r.aspx

Do you think Honda will charge more for the CRF250L than the CBR250R in the United States? Honda is charging the same price for both bikes in Japan. ;) Perhaps my optimism is not misplaced after all. :)

Spud :)

That would be awesome I just don't see them undercutting Kawasaki by a lot, and Yamaha by a huge amount. I would think they'd price it in between the two, likely closer to the Yamaha. But I don't know.

[Weldangrind]

These discussions bring a point of negotiation with the dealer. Thanks to the 'net, we can determine that the CBR and the CRF are similarly priced in other countries.

[FastDoc]

That's a tall order, but not impossible. Doc wanted a similar amount for his old Zong, but that's because he thought it was possessed. :lol:

Are you stuck on a Q or Zong, or would you accept another Honda clone?

I'm not so sure it wasn't.

Matthew 8:31

And the demons begged him, saying, “If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.”

After it tried to kill me it tried to kill it's new owner on his way home from picking it up at my house! It was a 10 mile ride for him! He ended up in the hospital with a broken arm.

I regret selling that bike though. It was in excellent shape with only a few minor scratches when I sold it, for about $700 IIRC.

[Weldangrind]

I wanted it badly. I couldn't register it here, because it's not on the list of vehicles that can be imported into Canada.

[SpudRider]

I just checked the Honda Japan website for the price of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine with the CRF250L. ;) Honda Japan has the same price listed for the CBR250R as the CRF250L. The price for both is 449,499 yen, including tax; the MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

My hope is the CRF250L will sell for the same price as the CRB250R in the United States, as well. ;) The MSRP for the 2012 CBR250R is $4,099.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cbr250r.aspx

Do you think Honda will charge more for the CRF250L than the CBR250R in the United States? Honda is charging the same price for both bikes in Japan. ;) Perhaps my optimism is not misplaced after all. :)

Spud :)

That would be awesome I just don't see them undercutting Kawasaki by a lot, and Yamaha by a huge amount. I would think they'd price it in between the two, likely closer to the Yamaha. But I don't know.
I've concluded the best thing to do is wait and see what Honda announces. ;) Honda Canada and Honda U.S.A. should both be making announcements in a few weeks. Therefore, rather than speculate, I'm just going to wait and see what they say. ;)

Whatever price Honda places on the CRF250L, the CBR250R is a superb deal at $4,099 USD. :)

Spud :)

[katoranger]

That's a tall order, but not impossible. Doc wanted a similar amount for his old Zong, but that's because he thought it was possessed. :lol:

Are you stuck on a Q or Zong, or would you accept another Honda clone?

I would go for another clone. At my price point I am not expecting a ready to go bike.

Also considering any older Jap models.

[SpudRider]

I just checked the Honda Japan website for the price of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine with the CRF250L. ;) Honda Japan has the same price listed for the CBR250R as the CRF250L. The price for both is 449,499 yen, including tax; the MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

My hope is the CRF250L will sell for the same price as the CRB250R in the United States, as well. ;) The MSRP for the 2012 CBR250R is $4,099.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cbr250r.aspx

Do you think Honda will charge more for the CRF250L than the CBR250R in the United States? Honda is charging the same price for both bikes in Japan. ;) Perhaps my optimism is not misplaced after all. :)

Spud :)

That would be awesome I just don't see them undercutting Kawasaki by a lot, and Yamaha by a huge amount. I would think they'd price it in between the two, likely closer to the Yamaha. But I don't know.
Only time will tell, Doc. ;) Hopefully we will have the answer in a few weeks. :) I'm sure Honda can inflate the price on the CRF250L, and still sell a lot of bikes in North America. However, I can't see where the price of manufacturing the CRF250L would be much higher than that of the CBR250R. :roll:

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Honda is selling the CBR250R and CRF250L for the same price in Japan. I wonder if consumers will pay substantially more for the CRF250L in North America? Honda has good chance to blow away the competition if it prices this bike fairly. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I don't know why the dirt/motocross bikes are so expensive but they are.

The 450 class is $8,500- $10,000.

The 250's are $7,000- $9,000.

That's in the price range of some very sophisticated 4 cylinder sport bikes, heavy cruisers, and light tourers.

I don't get it but it is what it is. :?

[Weldangrind]

In the dirt world, sponsors pay the bill. It's a sport for those with considerable disposable income. Yamahondakawazuki knows that, and they charge accordingly.

[SpudRider]

I always thought one of the reasons for the relatively high cost of dual sport bikes was the superior suspension. Also, the manufacturers need to meet EPA restrictions for noise, pollution, et cetera. In addition, the manufacturers need to meet DOT standards for exhaust sound levels, lighting, et cetera. In this instance, all the EPA and DOT criteria have been met with the introduction of the CBR250R. ;) The CRF250L has a new frame, and a better suspension than the CBR250R. However, I think Honda can sell the CRF250L for about the same price as the CBR250R; whether they choose to do so is an entirely different matter. :roll:

Spud :)

[MICRider]

I'm anxious to see what it sells for here in Canada... I'm guessing around $7K but I would love to be proven wrong :D. It looks like pretty much the ideal trail riding bike to me, fairly zippy and light. If it was under 7K I would seriously consider prying open my wallet again... :wink:

[SpudRider]

Check one of my earlier posts, Stew. At least one source believes Honda Canada will price the CRF250L with an MSRP of CN$5,000. :D

Spud :)

[MICRider]

Check one of my earlier posts, Stew. At least one source believes Honda Canada will price the CRF250L with an MSRP of CN$5,000. :D

Spud :)

Ima scoop one if they do :D

[FastDoc]

I'd love it but I still vote for higher.

The CR250F is $7,420 MSRP.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/honda/crf/250r/prices/83020/05/index.html

[FastDoc]

My bet remains $5,999 USD.

[FastDoc]

I'd love it but I still vote for higher.

The CR250F is $7,420 MSRP.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/honda/crf/250r/prices/83020/05/index.html

Quoting myself.

Is this a first?

Anyways looking at that number makes me think that's a stupid amount of money to pay for a 250cc dirtbike.

JMHO. :wink:

[SpudRider]

I'd love it but I still vote for higher.

The CR250F is $7,420 MSRP.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/honda/crf/250r/prices/83020/05/index.html

Quoting myself.

Is this a first?

Anyways looking at that number makes me think that's a stupid amount of money to pay for a 250cc dirtbike.

JMHO. :wink:
I'm quoting you quoting yourself. 8O Now you've got me confused! :lol:

Yes, $7,420 for a 250cc dirt bike is obscene! :lol: Honda is manufacturing the CRF250L with dirt cheap labor costs in Thailand. ;) If Honda can overcome corporate greed, it can sell the CRF250L for $4,600 in the United States, and capture a huge market. :) Would you buy a CRF250L for $4,600, Doc?

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

I always thought one of the reasons for the relatively high cost of dual sport bikes was the superior suspension. Also, the manufacturers need to meet EPA restrictions for noise, pollution, et cetera. In addition, the manufacturers need to meet DOT standards for exhaust sound levels, lighting, et cetera. In this instance, all the EPA and DOT criteria have been met with the introduction of the CBR250R. ;) The CRF250L has a new frame, and a better suspension than the CBR250R. However, I think Honda can sell the CRF250L for about the same price as the CBR250R; whether they choose to do so is an entirely different matter. :roll:

Spud :)

I agree with you, Spud. I was responding to Doc's question about the cost of MX bikes, not DS.

[SpudRider]

I know, Weld; I was replying to FastDoc. :) I think the CRF250L will be very popular in North America if it sells for CN$5,000 and $4,600 USD. If the bike costs $6,000 USD, as FastDoc predicts, I think it will be much less popular. :(

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

I found several posts that indicate the CRF250L is selling in Thailand for 138,00 baht.

http://rideasia.net/forum/bike-talk/2012-honda-crf250l-cbr250r-goes-dual-sport-t1044-60.html
http://www.motorcycle.in.th/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=4261&page=3
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/525289-honda-crf-250l/page__st__425

At the current exchange rate, 138,000 baht is equal to $4,468 USD. I am hopeful the CRF250L will sell in the United States for about $4,600. However, FastDoc might be correct when he predicts $5,999 USD. :( Only time will tell. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Would you buy a CRF250L for $4,600, Doc?

Perhaps. :wink:

If I didn't already have a new KLX, and the price difference would have been lets say, $600 or less I very well may have gone Red on my last D/S purchase. :P

If the price difference is in the thousands, however, I'd have stayed with my excellent KLX and its dated carburetor. 8)

Also my local Honda dealer is a d$%# with a very poor reputation. The local Kawasaki and Yamaha dealer has an excellent reputation for being helpful in the community and providing good service and support for his customers and good prices also. :)

It all factors in.

Also factoring in is I paid MUCH less than list for my KLX, in the area of $4,000 OTD because it was a 1.5-2 year old leftover model. Note however there have been NO changes to the KLX other than color from 2009 (my model) through 2012. There are no planned changes for the forseeable future either. This bodes well for me. :D

If the Honda is priced as low as we hope, however, I bet Kawasaki will use the European FI system already in use on their KLX's.

[FastDoc]

Here's an unusual bargin on a CRF250R:

http://kpr.craigslist.org/mcd/2993909419.html

[SpudRider]

Please don't detour the thread to a discussion of dirt bikes! :lol: I don't want a high maintenance, dirt-only bike. ;) The maintenance interval and ease of maintenance for the CRF250L/CRB250R engine is superb! :D Also, the bike is street legal from the factory. ;) The CRF250L makes lots of power for the dual sport riding I prefer, and I really enjoy all the new technology designed into this 21-century engine. :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Oh I agree Spud, it's not a fair apples to apples comparison. I was just pointing out that there are deals out there on new leftover bikes, like my KLX. This is not an option on a newly introduced bike though.

Motocrossers are a riot but cannot be expected to last on the street like a D/S. The CRF250R is one of the most prone to puking. I am pleased to say the YZ and the KX are the least (KTM is in this catergory also but a heck of a lot more money up front.)

[SpudRider]

Even the most reliable motorcycles require much more maintenance than an automobile. ;) I would much rather ride, than wrench on my bike. :roll: I don't mind changing the engine oil regularly, and adjusting the valve clearance periodically, but I don't want to be maintain a "racing queen." ;)

Changing tires, adjusting and lubricating the drive chain, hosing off the mud, repairing damage from falls, replacing sprockets, changing fork oil, changing brake fluid, lubricating the chassis, and occasional repairs take up enough time; I want to ride! ;) Merely having fuel injection instead of carburetion is a blessing. :)

If you ride a lot of miles you will need to do an occasional, top end rebuild of the engine as well. ;) That's why I like single cylinder, small displacement motorcycles! I only need to rebuild one cylinder instead of several; therefore the labor, and the cost is greatly reduced. :)

Also, I don't want to mess with carburetors. ;) I don't want to screw around with the jetting. I don't want the bike's performance affected by elevation and temperature differences. I certainly dont want to synchronize multiple carburetors. :roll: I want the maximum performance, fuel mileage, and minimum maintenance of fuel injection! :D As much as possible, I want merely to turn the key and ride! ;)

For all these reasons I really like the new, Honda CBR250R. :) I'm very pleased Honda is introducing the CRF250L with the same engine. I hope Honda U.S.A. keeps the cost of the CRF250L at $4,600. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

Also my local Honda dealer is a d$%# with a very poor reputation. The local Kawasaki and Yamaha dealer has an excellent reputation for being helpful in the community and providing good service and support for his customers and good prices also. :)

I wonder if that's universal. It's exactly the same in Abbotsford.

[SpudRider]

In general, I think high prices and poor service are universal. :( I'm glad FastDoc has two good dealers in his area. :)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

In general, I think high prices and poor service are universal. :( I'm glad FastDoc has two good dealers in his area. :)

Spud :)

It seems fitting that FastDoc calls them stealers, not dealers.

[FastDoc]

Everyone's entitled to make a profit from their work, myself included. The things that I look for are character, after sales support, reasonableness, and lack of greed or pride.

Some of those things are lacking to some extent at my local Honda dealer.

I flew commercial to Seattle to buy my Gold Wing in 2007....

[SpudRider]

I wonder when the CRF250L will make it's appearance in North America? I think a read a report we will probably need to wait until late summer. :roll:

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

You know Spud, your KDX is capable of leaving that Honda behind like it had two flat tires and peanut butter in the gas tank, right? :wink:

You could have a 60 pound backpack on the KDX and STILL weigh less than that Honda, right? :wink:

[SpudRider]

The KDX220 is a very nice bike. :) However, you've got to love the wide power band on a 4-stroke, fuel injected engine. ;)

Spud :)

[MICRider]

Indeed, granted the two strokes i've owned were pretty much used up and worn out, I much prefer four strokes to noisy smoky two strokes :wink:

[FastDoc]

That's also true.

I am a TOTAL believer in modern 4 stroke power. My YZ400 is addictive. Low midrange and top end WOW!

But the 2 stroke is a heck of a lot cheaper to maintain and rebuild, and lighter to boot.

Everything's a tradeoff.

[gloud]

And the answer is $4499.00 US price.
http://powersports.honda.com/2013/crf250l/offroad.aspx
it is up on the honda site.

[Weldangrind]

Once dealer fees and taxes are added, it will be very close to Spud's prediction of $4600.00! That's a pretty good price.

[FastDoc]

I am SO HAPPY to be wrong on this one! :P

I'm still amazed. :!:

This is curtains for the competition. No way a guy would buy a carbureted KLX or an uber-expensive WR or an outdated DRZ when the Honda actually costs less! 8)

[SpudRider]

And the answer is $4499.00 US price.
http://powersports.honda.com/2013/crf250l/offroad.aspx
it is up on the honda site.
Thanks for the update, Gloud! :D

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

I am SO HAPPY to be wrong on this one! :P

I'm still amazed. :!:

This is curtains for the competition. No way a guy would buy a carbureted KLX or an uber-expensive WR or an outdated DRZ when the Honda actually costs less! 8)
Honda is aggressively trying to regain market share for small displacement motorcycles with these bikes, Doc. :) I don't think it's a coincidence that Zongshen is now concentrating on bikes with engines of 150cc displacement, and smaller. ;)

Spud :)

[gloud]

I guess they are shooting for August in the US.

[SpudRider]

The new, CRF250L is priced $500 less than the CRF230L it replaced! :D Here's a quote for the following website.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/05/29/manufacturers/honda/2013-honda-crf250l-dual-sport-officially-announced-for-us/

"The 2013 Honda CRF250L is powered by a liquid-cooled fuel-injected 249cc Single inherited from the CBR250R, so it carries the same low-friction innovations such as the roller rocker arm design. Like the CBR, the CRF250L is produced in Thailand, helping keep costs low. By contrast, the CRF250L is $500 cheaper than the CRF230L it replaces, despite adding a larger engine with fuel injection, double-overhead cams, and liquid cooling.

Honda is becoming innovative once again. ;) I'm a little disappointed with the claimed curb weight of 320 pounds. However, the CRF250L costs almost $2,100 less than the Yamaha, WR250R! 8O

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelspecs/595/0/specs.aspx

That kind of money buys a lot of fuel, tires, and aftermarket parts that will drop some weight from the slightly chubby Honda. ;)

Spud :D

[gloud]

I love chubby girls lol.. I am excited about the new honda for sure.

[MICRider]

Has anyone seen anything on a Canadian release date for it? I went to honda.ca but couldn't find any mention of it, just the 230 still.

[SpudRider]

I think Honda Canada will probably make an announcement pretty soon, Stew. The following link anticipates the Canadian MSRP will be CN$5,000.

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/02/29/manufacturers/honda/2012-honda-crf250l-announced-for-europe-but-not-for-america-yet/

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

According to the Honda website at the following link, the new CRF250L will be available for sale in the United States in August. :)

http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=6704-en

Spud :)

[gloud]

I need to stop by the local honda dealer and inquire about preorders. (hopefully will have the money from the estate soon...)

[SpudRider]

I hope the CRF250L is available in early August, rather than late August. :roll: It is wonderful, that the MSRP of the CRF250L is priced $500 less than the carbureted KLX250S, and $2,100 less than the WR250R. :)

The CRF250L weighs about 20 pounds more that both of these motorcycles, which is significant, but not a enormous amount of weight. The difference amounts to 7 percent more weight. ;) I'm sure the Honda will have excellent support with aftermarket goodies. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

A Shorai battey and an FMF Q4 and you've saved half that weight already. PLUS no need to rejet for the pipe!

[SpudRider]

A Shorai battey and an FMF Q4 and you've saved half that weight already. PLUS no need to rejet for the pipe!
No need to rejet. :D Those are beautiful words! :lol:

No need to rejet for altitude or differences in temperature. No need to rejet for exhaust or airbox changes. Optimum power and fuel mileage at all times. No need to purchase a larger, aftermarket fuel tank, and carry more weight in fuel. Since the bike gets 104 mpg, the stock, 2-gallon fuel tank has a range of 208 miles. :D

Nine new patents on the high tech, low maintenance engine. All this, and an MSRP of $4,499. 8O Thank you, Honda! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

So does your local Honda dealer know you by name yet Spud?

I WISH my KLX was EFI!!!

[gloud]

I keep pestering the sales guys at Valley motorsports in northampton mass. they are sick of me asking at this point. I had to explain to them what it was the first time I asked. LOL

[MICRider]

I'm definitely going to check these out when/if they release them in Canada. Looks like a really nimble D/S. I love my KLR to pieces but think it's way too heavy for technical riding, it requires momentum to get through the tough stuff where'as a lighter bike can just tractor along :).

[SpudRider]

Your KLR650 is a great bike, Stew. :D However, the CRF250L will be about 100 pounds lighter than your KLR650. 8O

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here's a link to a side-by-side comparison of the specifications for the Yamaha WR250R and the Honda CRF250L. :)

http://rickramsey.net/WR250RvsCRF250L.htm

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Nice comparison. Someone put a lot of effort into that. 8)

[pete]

Wonder what HP it puts out..
25 to 30 would be good , any more
and it starts to become to higher maintanance..

The 7.7L tank is a bit limiting..hopefuly someone
will make a 12 or 14L tank...

[SpudRider]

I believe Honda is claiming 23 hp, and 104 mpg, Pete. The 2-gallon fuel tank should have a pretty good range, even if the mpg figures are for imperial gallons, instead of U.S. gallons. :)

Spud :)

[pete]

I believe Honda is claiming 23 hp, and 104 mpg, Pete. The 2-gallon fuel tank should have a pretty good range, even if the mpg figures are for imperial gallons, instead of U.S. gallons. :)

Spud :)

23hp is good.. my XR250 puts out 23hp..
even on a imperial gallon thats over 200km range
about the same as mine with a 11L tank..

I will have to have a look at one when/If they arrive..
Honda NZ has a very limited range here.. talking to the guy that owns the local Honda shop he really pissed with Honda NZ..He loses lots of sales
because they don't bring in the road legal models people want..

Honda dirt bikes went out of favor here a few years ago..Honda NZ got stuck with bikes they had trouble selling... they have been a bit weary ever since... You were able to buy new 2 year old models at bargan basement prises for a while.. 700cc Transalps , they were almost giving them away..

[iTrack]

This bike is really something. Does anyone know what the top speed will be without buzzing it out? Texas has changed the speed limit to 75, so if it can do 77ish comfortably than it would be an excellent DS for us Texas guys.

[FastDoc]

With a pipe and jet kit and K&N my KLX250 (similar HP) ran an honest GPS 91 MPH flat out tucked. On hard core knobbies more like 81-85.

If you stick with dualsport tires, maybe more on the 50/50 side than my Dunlop 606's (90/10's) 75 will be 'doable' but not comfortable. 20 miles of freeway would be enough for me at those speeds.

IF you plan to be on road more you can add a tooth to the countershaft which would help. I did not do that on the KLX as I like the way it is geared stock.

[pete]

My 05 XR250 Tornado has the same Hp out put...
it's good on the seal .. I sit at 100kph "60mph"
our speed limit.. I have done 500km trips on it.
a screen make it a lot nicer... the only prob with
it on long trips is the seat... after about 300kms yer
tend to stop a fair bit.. I run Dunlop 605s good on
med soft to hard surfaces.. & grip very well on seal
and last for 3000k....

[SpudRider]

Dual sport bikes don't have any wind protection, so I don't enjoy doing 75 mph for any period of time on my Honda XR650L. :roll: However, the CRF250L should be able to handle the freeway for short periods of time. If you want to ride longer on the freeway, the CBR250R is certainly a better choice. ;)

Spud :)

[pete]

Dual sport bikes don't have any wind protection, so I don't enjoy doing 75 mph for any period of time on my Honda XR650L. :roll:

Spud :)

I made a quick nasty one from 2mm polycarbanate
mounted it off the handle bar clamps... one of the
best mods I have made to the XR..

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2251/ssa41925.jpg
By petenz (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/petenz) at 2012-06-05
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1043/ssa41906.jpg
By petenz (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/petenz) at 2012-05-06

[SpudRider]

You did a nice job with the windshield, Pete. :) Thanks for posting the beautiful photo. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

My 05 XR250 Tornado has the same Hp out put...
it's good on the seal .. I sit at 100kph "60mph"
our speed limit.. I have done 500km trips on it.
a screen make it a lot nicer... the only prob with
it on long trips is the seat... after about 300kms yer
tend to stop a fair bit.. I run Dunlop 605s good on
med soft to hard surfaces.. & grip very well on seal
and last for 3000k....

Funny thing about the 605's here.

They were original on the KLX and I loved them but they are NOT sold here!

[pete]

My 05 XR250 Tornado has the same Hp out put...
it's good on the seal .. I sit at 100kph "60mph"
our speed limit.. I have done 500km trips on it.
a screen make it a lot nicer... the only prob with
it on long trips is the seat... after about 300kms yer
tend to stop a fair bit.. I run Dunlop 605s good on
med soft to hard surfaces.. & grip very well on seal
and last for 3000k....

Funny thing about the 605's here.

They were original on the KLX and I loved them but they are NOT sold here!


The Vee Rubber V221 is the same tyre.."copy"
of the Dunlop 605..
yer maybe able to fined the Vee Rubber version..
and are less than half the prise of the 605...
http://www.motozone.co.nz/products/tyres/dirt-bike-motocross-tyres/vee-rubber/vee-rubber-v221.aspx

[SpudRider]

Thanks for the information, Pete. :) However, we can't purchase Vee Rubber tires here in the United States. ;)

Spud :)

[pete]

Thanks for the information, Pete. :) However, we can't purchase Vee Rubber tires here in the United States. ;)

Spud :)

LOL.. :o
Go to a trials tyre.. they are alot better than people
give them credit for on a small ADV bikes...
Golden Boy make some realy good prise trials tyres..
Golden Boy SR242 - 410/18
surpose yer can't get them either...

[SpudRider]

It's a bit dated, but here's a link to a CRF250L vs. KLX250S "shootout" thread from RideAsia. :)

http://rideasia.net/forum/bike-talk/the-honda-crf-250-l-kawasaki-klx-250-shoot-out-t1882.html

This thread claims the muffler on the CRF250L is very heavy, so hopefully some weight can be lost by switching to an aftermarket muffler. :) Also, this thread claims race mechanics are getting 33 hp from the CBR250R engine, so it seems a lot of power can be gained from an unrestricted engine. ;) The stock suspension on the CRF250L is also getting good reviews in this thread. :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Thanks for the information, Pete. :) However, we can't purchase Vee Rubber tires here in the United States. ;)

Spud :)

LOL.. :o
Go to a trials tyre.. they are alot better than people
give them credit for on a small ADV bikes...
Golden Boy make some realy good prise trials tyres..
Golden Boy SR242 - 410/18
surpose yer can't get them either...
Yes, we can get the Shinko (Golden Boy) tires in the United States, Pete. :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here's a link to an off road, ride report of the CRF250L from a KLX250S owner. :)

http://www.gt-rider.com/thailand-motorcycle-forum/showthread.php/36504-Honda-CRF250-OFF-ROAD-RIDE-REPORT-17TH-MAY

He says the engine output is very smooth. He liked the stock saddle better than the one on his KLX250S. He also said the CRF250L felt lighter than his KLX250S. :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

It seems Honda is selling a luggage rack for the CRF250L in Thailand. :)

http://www.aphonda.co.th/product/2012/crf250L/part.asp

That's a good sign the subframe can support a modest load. ;)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Wow! The stock muffler of the CRF250L is huge!

http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201204/28/90/a0267890_1122639.jpg

I bet you could lose a lot of weight, and gain a few horsepower, by ditching the stock muffler for an aftermarket muffler. :)

I also have read reports IMS is currently designing a larger, aftermarket fuel tank for the CRF250L. :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here are some photographs of an aftermarket skid plate and luggage rack for the CRF250L. :)

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/461526_3967505711670_1401264671_33535550_152543867 _o.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/478391_3968153767871_1401264671_33535993_141425528 9_o.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/466025_3973369378258_1401264671_33538853_175303175 9_o.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/468214_3973379018499_1401264671_33538863_161383660 3_o.jpg

It appears the subframe is well designed to accept a luggage rack, and carry some significant weight! :D

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Here's a video of a dynograph test of the CRF250L.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z0i1z67Vf9U

This dynograph test shows a maximum of 17.95 hp, and 13.06 ft-lb of torque at the rear wheel. This figures are consistent with Honda's claim of 22.7 hp and 16.28 ft-lb of torque at the crankshaft, since most motorcycles lose 20 percent power in friction losses between the crankshaft and the rear wheel. ;)

http://www.onewheeldrive.net/2012/04/13/honda-to-launch-new-crf250l-dual-sport/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_testing_and_measurement

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Yamaha is adding fuel injection to the 2013 XT250 motorcycle. ;)

http://www.adventuresportrider.com/forum/showthread.php?p=50088
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelspecs/574/0/specs.aspx

The Yamaha is still air cooled, with a decidedly inferior suspension to the other, 250cc, dual sport bikes. The 2013, Yamaha XT250 has an MSRP of $5,190. :roll: Therefore, the XT250 is priced $700 higher than the more powerful, water cooled CRF250L, which also has a much better suspension. ;)

Now, only Kawasaki has a 250cc, dual sport bike without fuel injection. ;) How long will this continue, and how much will a fuel injected KLX250S cost? :?:

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

The EU KLX's have been EFI since '09.

Ironically they are detuned and the carburetted version makes more power! 8O

They are made for the European noise and emmissions standards and a frequent mod for the European owners is to install a carburettor!

Go figure. :roll:

Apparantly the software is not easily modified.

I really love my KLX but would have gladly given another $500 for a good performance oriented EFI.

[SpudRider]

Yes, I know the European KLX250S has fuel injection. ;) My question is when will the North American KLX250S get fuel injection? :?: The following 250cc, dual sport bikes have fuel injection.

Yamaha WR250R
Yamaha XT250
Honda CRF250L

Suzuki doesn't make a 250cc, dual sport bike. Therefore, the Kawasaki KLX250S is the only 250cc, dual sport bike in North America lacking fuel injection. It must be coming. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I'm sure it's all about the money. Plus when the 2009 KLX came out only the MUCH more expensive WR had EFI.

[gloud]

Re: the euro efi KLX and lower HP you need to remember they have a tiered Licencing system by HP over there. (or they did) so they tend to be de-tuned
to fit in the lower HP class sometimes.

[pete]

Suzuki doesn't make a 250cc, dual sport bike. Therefore, the Kawasaki KLX250S is the only 250cc, dual sport bike in North America lacking fuel injection. It must be coming. ;)

Spud :)

We get a road legal Suzuki DRZ250..has a carb / DOHC /
air cooled motor...
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/69/213039869_full.jpg

Also the Yamaha TTR250... nice bike
DOHC / air cooled / carb...

[SpudRider]

The DR250 and TT-R250 are nice bikes, Pete. ;) I don't know why the Japanese refuse to export them to North America. :roll:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/69/213039869_full.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~causewayyamaha/TTR250/yamahattr250_1.jpg

At least we are getting the new, CRF250L! :D

Spud :)

[pete]

The DR250 and TT-R250 are nice bikes, Pete. ;) I don't know why the Japanese refuse to export them to North America. :roll:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/69/213039869_full.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~causewayyamaha/TTR250/yamahattr250_1.jpg

At least we are getting the new, CRF250L! :D

Spud :)


Hard to figger out there thinking... The markets so big there..
You would think its first place they would try sell them..

Yamaha makes 4 250cc dual sport bikes..
XT250 / TTR250 / WR250 / XTZ250 Tenere.

Another bike we got here... a few used ones pop up now and then
kawasaki KLX300.. seems like it would be a nice size motor...

The local Yamaha dealers got a new 2012 road legal WR450..
Nice bike..the seat's almost chin height for me :roll: ..
thats the prob I have with most bikes I would like.. seat
height is just to high for them to be easly manageable in rough stuff..
A 850mm / 31' seat hight is about it for me these days...

[Weldangrind]

A manageable seat height and a 1/4 litre engine seem like the perfect around-town bike recipe. Maybe this new Honda will change the perspective of the other manufacturers.

[FastDoc]

Honda seems to be shifting more and more of their production overseas. They have a new adventure bike, made in Thailand I believe, that also vastly undercuts the competition's price point.

My Kawasaki KLX250S was also made in Thailand.

[pete]

Honda seems to be shifting more and more of their production overseas. They have a new adventure bike, made in Thailand I believe, that also vastly undercuts the competition's price point.

My Kawasaki KLX250S was also made in Thailand.


My XR250 tornado is made in Brazil , same with
the new XRE300...

[gloud]

Well I am out of the CRF250L waiting game, I just bought a used 08 WR250R for $3100.00 with 2700 miles on it. If they had put it out in the US quicker I would have gone for a new one. I will start a new thread with pics.

[Weldangrind]

The WR is a beautiful machine; congrats! I appreciate the tremendous power and torque, along with the lean-out device for starting. Good choice.

[FastDoc]

The WR also likely has a much better power to weight ratio and will likely be more off road oriented. 8)

[SpudRider]

Well I am out of the CRF250L waiting game, I just bought a used 08 WR250R for $3100.00 with 2700 miles on it. If they had put it out in the US quicker I would have gone for a new one. I will start a new thread with pics.
You got a great deal on a great bike, Gloud! :) I think you made a wise decision buying the lightly used WR250R for that price. ;) We eagerly await your thread, which I'm sure will contain many photographs. :D

Spud :)

[gloud]

I blame Spud for the purchase LOL (not really) but you got me looking seriously at a 250. :D

[SpudRider]

I'll gladly accept the "blame" for the purchase of a WR250R. :lol: It's a great bike, and a very hard bike to find in slightly used condition. ;)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

The Honda CRF250L bikes have been reported to arrive at one large Honda dealership, and more of the bikes are scheduled to arrive at smaller dealerships in the next week. We should soon be hearing a lot of first hand reports from new CRF250L owners! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

That is exciting!

A recent check of the new KLX's show them at $5,000 at the cheapest. As in years past, Kawasaki will likely add a $1,000 rebate this winter. This is the rebate I used that allowed me to get my KLX for $4,000, OTD 8) .

If a person wanted one of the current D/S 250's, I'd be inclined to wait until winter and see about the Kawasaki rebate.

I doubt Honda or Yamaha would have a rebate.

If price is no option the current 'best' (99% dirt) 250 D/S is the Husqvarna, but it is not cheap. :wink:

[pete]

When a 250 DS bike starts putting out
more than around 25hp the enigne life
starts to suffer... 23hp is good , then you
get 50,000miles/80,000kms before you need to
start looking at the motor... I like the Husky 310
4T but you looking at 100 hour rebuilds &
sooner if yer realy hammer it...
23hp might not sound a lot... XR/WR/TTR/XT/DR are all
around that... You ring there neck & the buggers go
real well & still nice mild mannered for road , ADV use ...
some of these higher power out put bike "KTM/Husky etc"
have very little engine oil in them...So oil changes almost every time
you go for a long ride...

I had a ride on a Husky 125WR 2T ages back
what a sweet wee bike..

[FastDoc]

All good points, Pete. :D

[pete]

Not a 250 ..

A bike we don't hear much about are the big Maico's
500 / 620 / 685 2 strokes...
The 685 is 80hp standard

[Weldangrind]

The 685 is 80hp standard

¡Ay, caramba!

[SuperTimmy]

Well I am out of the CRF250L waiting game, I just bought a used 08 WR250R for $3100.00 with 2700 miles on it. If they had put it out in the US quicker I would have gone for a new one. I will start a new thread with pics.

Nice! Out of the 250 DS range, I like the WR the best. I liked my KLX, but I would take a WR over it any day. I ride a modded XR400R and my friends all ride DRZ400s, except for one, who has a WR250R. It is a pretty bike! Glad to hear about your purchase! have fun!

[SpudRider]

Several fellows have recently acquired the new CRF250L bikes in the United States. :) Rick Ramsey just got one yesterday, so I expect to see lots of updates on his excellent webpage. ;)

http://rickramsey.net/CRF250L.htm

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Well I am out of the CRF250L waiting game, I just bought a used 08 WR250R for $3100.00 with 2700 miles on it. If they had put it out in the US quicker I would have gone for a new one. I will start a new thread with pics.

Nice! Out of the 250 DS range, I like the WR the best. I liked my KLX, but I would take a WR over it any day. I ride a modded XR400R and my friends all ride DRZ400s, except for one, who has a WR250R. It is a pretty bike! Glad to hear about your purchase! have fun!

I'm with you but the $1,500-$2,000 premium over what I paid for my KLX was too much to pay and I remain VERY happy with the KLX.

If I had to choose between the Husky and the Yamaha that would be tough as I think the Husky goes about a grand more than the WR.

[FastDoc]

My 'solution' was to get the KLX and add the YZ. The best of both worlds for less than the price of the Husky. :wink:

[SuperTimmy]

I'm with you but the $1,500-$2,000 premium over what I paid for my KLX was too much to pay and I remain VERY happy with the KLX.

If I had to choose between the Husky and the Yamaha that would be tough as I think the Husky goes about a grand more than the WR.

Yeah, I probably would not get a WR over a KLX new. If I had the choice with close prices, I would though. I loved my KLX as well, and had I dropped the front cs sprocket down or rear up, added an exhaust, and messed with the suspension, it would have even been better. I just like the way the WR looks. All my buddies have 400s, and my KLX was not a get up and go-er....It was fun though and survived being buried up to the seat in water!

[SuperTimmy]

I'm with you but the $1,500-$2,000 premium over what I paid for my KLX was too much to pay and I remain VERY happy with the KLX.

If I had to choose between the Husky and the Yamaha that would be tough as I think the Husky goes about a grand more than the WR.

Yeah, I probably would not get a WR over a KLX new. If I had the choice with close prices, I would though. I loved my KLX as well, and had I dropped the front cs sprocket down or rear up, added an exhaust, and messed with the suspension, it would have even been better. I just like the way the WR looks. All my buddies have 400s, and my KLX was not a get up and go-er....It was fun though and survived being buried up to the seat in water!

From what I hear, unless you have a lot of money, or are a mechanic, I wouldn't bother with a Husky. This coming from someone who has never owned one:)

[pete]

I'm with you but the $1,500-$2,000 premium over what I paid for my KLX was too much to pay and I remain VERY happy with the KLX.

If I had to choose between the Husky and the Yamaha that would be tough as I think the Husky goes about a grand more than the WR.

Yeah, I probably would not get a WR over a KLX new. If I had the choice with close prices, I would though. I loved my KLX as well, and had I dropped the front cs sprocket down or rear up, added an exhaust, and messed with the suspension, it would have even been better. I just like the way the WR looks. All my buddies have 400s, and my KLX was not a get up and go-er....It was fun though and survived being buried up to the seat in water!

From what I hear, unless you have a lot of money, or are a mechanic, I wouldn't bother with a Husky. This coming from someone who has never owned one:)

The small Huskys , KTM , GasGas all have very short
re-build intervals... The prise of Hp..
Even the Yamaha WR 450 an't that great for motor life...
I would rather give a few hp away & know I don't
need to keep a eye on a hour meter...

[SpudRider]

In my opinion, the CRF250L has an ideal saddle height of 34.7 inches. However, the height-challenged riders of this new bike have discovered an inexpensive, effective way to lower the saddle height some more. ;)

http://rickramsey.net/CRF250Ltn/Lowering1.jpg

Just drill a new hole higher up in the lower shock mount. :)

Spud :)

[pete]

In my opinion, the CRF250L has an ideal saddle height of 34.7 inches. However, the height-challenged riders of this new bike have discovered an inexpensive, effective way to lower the saddle height some more. ;)

http://rickramsey.net/CRF250Ltn/Lowering1.jpg

Just drill a new hole higher up in the lower shock mount. :)

Spud :)

Thats standard on some models...
my XR250 tornado has double hight
suspention... thats how yer lower it..
2 holes in the bottom shock fork 15mm
apart.. lowers it 45mm... The front forks
have a shoulder machined in them to
lower the forks so the shoulder sits on
the bottom of the top yoke when lowered.
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/6392/ssa41514.jpg
By petenz (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/petenz) at 2012-03-27

[SpudRider]

Indeed, I believe the Suzuki DR650 uses a similar method. :) Has the CRF250L arrived on your shores yet, Pete?

Spud :)

[pete]

Indeed, I believe the Suzuki DR650 uses a similar method. :) Has the CRF250L arrived on your shores yet, Pete?

Spud :)

Not seen hide nor hair of them....
hope they do... I want to look at one..

[SpudRider]

Many riders in the U.S.A. have bought the CRF250L this week. :) I'm still waiting for someone to post his impressions of the bike's trailworthyness. ;) I like this bike, but I'm disappointed it only weighs about 20 pounds less than my modified XR650L. :roll:

Spud :)

[pete]

Don't know if I would change from my XR250 for one..
they are a bit heavyer , same hp..they have better
suspention , water cooled "not sure if thats a bonus"
fuel injection.. good for the mpg.. not so great if it
craps out in the middle of nowhere...Aleast a carb theres
a chance you can fix it....

NOW..if they make a 400 / 450 with around 38/40 hp
then I would be interested.. 38/40hp.. enough power &
it will last 50,000 miles...

[SpudRider]

I have good news! Rick Ramsey (Honda Guru) has acquired a new CRF250L motorcycle, and has weighed it. :)

The bike with all fluids, but an empty fuel tank, weighs 298 pounds. With 2 gallons of fuel, the curb weight of the bike is 310 pounds, which is ten pounds lighter than the official curb weight from Honda of 320 pounds. :D

The stock muffler weighs 12 pounds 4 ounces without the heat shield! 8O So it is likely the bike can shed another 8 pounds with an aftermarket muffler. :D With a curb weight of 302 pounds, the CRF250L would weigh approximately 5 pounds more than the Yamaha WR250R. ;)

The stock YTX7L-BS battery weighs 5.1 pounds, and a Shorai battery weighs 1.23 pounds. Therefore, the bike could lose another 3.9 pounds with a replacement Shorai battery. Finally, after removing the passenger foot pegs, the CRF250L should have a curb weight of about 297 pounds, with a full tank of gasoline. Add a suitable skid plate, and the bike should weigh about 300 pounds, fully fueled and ready to ride.

Here are some photographs of the massive, stock muffler! 8O

http://rickramsey.net/CRF250Ltn/MufflerA.jpg

http://rickramsey.net/CRF250Ltn/Stage1C.jpg

http://rickramsey.net/CRF250Ltn/Stage1D.jpg

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

The CRF250L is now available for sale in Canada with an MSRP of $4,999 CDN. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

That's about the biggest ugliest muffler I've ever seen.

I wonder if it's also from a Honda Fit econobox? :roll:

[FastDoc]

Those tires BTW look like the excellent Dunlop 605's my KLX came with. No aftermarket ones were available in the US when I needed replacements.

[pete]

Those tires BTW look like the excellent Dunlop 605's my KLX came with. No aftermarket ones were available in the US when I needed replacements.

I use the Dunlop 605 on my XR250...
great tires...
Most people here take them off & replace
them with knobblys..Don't know why unless
you are rideing in mud all the time..
For seal & lose , hard , damp , dry surfaces
they work well.. Not much good in mud
as they don't clear very well & yer end up
with a slick...
The Vee Rubber V221 is a copy of the 605..

[FastDoc]

I found them to be excellent in the canyons on the street. High lean angles with great confidence. They were fine in the desert conditions I ride in, except for sand. I use my other bike in the sand anyways so that does not matter to me. Mud is not a factor here usually. Even if it rains the water goes right into the earth.

They lasted a long time, about 3,000 miles which for me is good, and they gave better economy and a measurably higher top speed than the current 606's I have mounted. 91 MPH vs. low to mid 80's on the GPS.

[MICRider]

The CRF250L is now available for sale in Canada with an MSRP of $4,999 CDN. :)

Spud :)

Thank's for the info Spud! Might have to give my closest Honda dealer a call and see if they have any in stock to look at... I want to peek at the NC700 as well :D

[SpudRider]

Here are links to several reviews of the new, Honda CRF250L. :)

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2013-honda-crf250l-review
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_1301_2013_honda_crf250l/

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

It appears the Honda CRF250L employs the same rear sprocket and sprocket bolts as my Honda XR650L. :)

Honda East in Toledo, Ohio is selling the CRF250L for $4,299, plus tax and title. :) Honda East never charges any incoming dealer freight, prep or hidden fees. ;)

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2013-Honda-CRF250L-105026084

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

It's a steal. No two ways about it.

I'd be looking for a $1,000 rebate on the KLX this winter...

[pete]

just noticed Honda NZ has the CRF250L on there
site now.... $8995.00... same as the Yamaha WR250...
$500 more than the air cooled Suzuki DR250..
& $1000 cheaper than the KLX250... no wonder
you don't see KLX250s around...

[FastDoc]

The KLX is a goner. Unless Kawasaki AT LEAST drops their price to match the Honda I think mine will be a collector's item. 8)

[SuperTimmy]

I think the bike looks nice for the most part. Isn't the suspension non adjustable? I can see how the FI would be great with the elevation changes you guys ride....but for me here in NC, just something else to go wrong-I bet it's expensive to fix!

So, I understand why Honda did what they did...to bring a new pricepoint entry level bike into the market to drive up sales...but.....Man, I would have loved to see them bring a CRF400L off the floor! There is not another bike really that competes with the DRZ400S. Yeah, KTM, Husky.....but they are in a different ball park and in my opinion, for someone who is either rich, or a great mechanic....
I loved my XR400R....that bike was so much fun to ride it was just silly....but the kick got to me as I commute on my bike as well. A couple of accidental turn offs and having to kick it (although it was one kick every time) in traffic with cars behind me, was kind of scary at times. Never know if someone on a cell texting is coming up behind you and not see you kicking your bike!

So it is safe to say, I got rid of it and got a 2006 DRZ400S with plenty of mods. ! I sold my XR for $500 more than I paid for it, as I have been able to with all the bikes I have had so far! I will post some photos in a different thread when I get a chance! Didn't mean to hijack this thread!
~Happy Riding

[SpudRider]

Motorcycle.com has posted a glowing review of the Honda CRF250L. :D

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/2013-honda-crf250l-review-91418.html

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Indeed an excellent review. Very good website I go there, and their sister website, Offroad.com almost daily.

[SuperTimmy]

Motorcycle.com has posted a glowing review of the Honda CRF250L. :D

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/2013-honda-crf250l-review-91418.html

Spud :)

Yeah, I like that site. It is a pretty nice review. I will tell you this though, they should put some more average sized human beings for these tests :lol:

The bike looks great and you know it has the Honda reliability. I didn't realize they were outing the CRF230L....so that makes sense bringing this bike in. Also....This is from the ride review from the link I have here. It is a great ride review of this bike.

http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-honda-crf250l-review/21256.html
But where in the market does this new bike fit?

Well, whilst extreme enduro is for a select (very fit) few – usually people with a completely different DNA to normal human beings – trail riding is a pastime many unhealthier or less adept people could (and should) take up if the right bike existed. Let’s face it, it’s a fantastic way to see scenery that’s well off the normal beaten track – kind of like rambling for people with less time and more of a sense of adventure. And humour.

That bike does exist and it’s the new, 21st century XL185. It is of no coincidence that it’s also made by Honda.

The Thai-built CRF250L Honda is available to purchase in August at a price of £3,950. I reckon it may just be the ideal economical commuter/weekend recreational tool that Honda claim.

A little bit more horsepower wouldn’t go amiss, though…

This seems to hit the market on the dot.

I'd be curious to hear your ride review of one Spud!

Happy Riding...



Read more: http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-honda-crf250l-review/21256.html#ixzz27Qk9sYeo

[FastDoc]

Hey I like that website too!

I plan to browse it more!

[SpudRider]

Thanks for posting the link to the nice review, Tim. :)

Accessories are arriving rapidly for this bike. Luggage racks, skid plates, mufflers, and EFI programmers are either available now, or will be available very soon. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

http://yakima.craigslist.org/mcd/3474458810.html

Showing up on CL. The price is real, and excellent.

I see Kawasaki set up another $1,000 rebate on the KLX. This is the deal I cased in on a couple of years ago when I bought mine. They have to do this to undercut the Honda's price or they won't sell any. :wink:

[FastDoc]

In a head to head comparison the CRF outclassed the KLX. No surprises. The KLX gets the nod for lighter weight (quite a bit as it turns out) and better suspension. The CRF, as anticipated, gets the nod for the motor. Most of this benefit, as expected, if from the EFI. :D

Now, I can't help but wonder, how would a piped and jetted KLX compare? I bet the extra 3-5 HP would make a big difference, as it would also help the cold starting misbehavior found on their test bike. :P

On the other hand to be fait the CRF would also have to be piped and programmed (I'm sure the aftermarket will come up with something soon), and as such may remain on top.

The lower (pre rebate) price of the Honda is the coup de grace putting the KLX on the trailer though. :?

IF I didn't have a KLX now, and I had to buy one of these two now, I'd have gotten the Honda. Or saved a bit (a lot, actually) more for the Husqvarna. :wink:

[SpudRider]

http://yakima.craigslist.org/mcd/3474458810.html

Showing up on CL. The price is real, and excellent.

I see Kawasaki set up another $1,000 rebate on the KLX. This is the deal I cased in on a couple of years ago when I bought mine. They have to do this to undercut the Honda's price or they won't sell any. :wink:
Thanks for the tips, Doc! :D Returning from a recent trip to Pennsylvania, I saw the CRF250L selling for $4,269 at Honda East, near Toledo, Ohio. :)

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2013-Honda-CRF250L-105026084

Check you PMs, Bill. I might be ready to pull the trigger on either of those deals! ;)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

In a head to head comparison the CRF outclassed the KLX. No surprises. The KLX gets the nod for lighter weight (quite a bit as it turns out) and better suspension. The CRF, as anticipated, gets the nod for the motor. Most of this benefit, as expected, if from the EFI. :D

Now, I can't help but wonder, how would a piped and jetted KLX compare? I bet the extra 3-5 HP would make a big difference, as it would also help the cold starting misbehavior found on their test bike. :P

On the other hand to be fait the CRF would also have to be piped and programmed (I'm sure the aftermarket will come up with something soon), and as such may remain on top.

The lower (pre rebate) price of the Honda is the coup de grace putting the KLX on the trailer though. :?

IF I didn't have a KLX now, and I had to buy one of these two now, I'd have gotten the Honda. Or saved a bit (a lot, actually) more for the Husqvarna. :wink:
A fuel programmer is available for the Honda for $209, Doc. The CRF250L engine is making an addition 5 horsepower with the EFI programmer. :D

The CRF250L actually weighs 210 pounds, curb weight. You can remove 8 pounds from the bike by ditching the huge muffler. :) If you remove the evaporative cannister and install a Shorai battery, the CRF250L will weigh less than 300 pounds. ;)

Please check your PMs, Bill. :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Motorcycle.com has an article and video comparison of the Kawasaki KLX250S versus the Honda CRF250L. Here's a link to the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkCNV7Aaets

Here's a link to the written comparison.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2013-honda-crf250l-vs-2013-kawasaki-klx250s-video-91483.html?utm_source=mo12132012&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly

Here's the conclusion; the CRF250L wins. ;) Motorcycle.com says the Honda suspension performs well enough compared to the Kawasaki. Therefore, the lower price of the Honda, combined with its high tech, fuel injected engine, makes it the winner over the Kawasaki. :)

Spud :)

[katoranger]

I like the gas guage.

[SpudRider]

I like the gas guage.
So do I, Allen. The CRF250L has a very nice, digital dashboard. :)

Spud :)

[pete]

I like the gas guage.

Gas gauge :roll: .....It's a 250cc dirt bike for christ sake..
I would most lightly buy it because of the prise..
But a WR would be first choice.. Don't think either
will make me ride any better ...My self-preservation
instent is just to strong now along with my in-abillity
to bounce as I once did..

One good thing..I don't get as meany of those..
" O No this is going to hurt ... moments"

[keithert]

I looked at this bike last week. It is a sweet bike. The dealers out the door price was $5200 including tax and registration. They were charging for freight.

[SpudRider]

I looked at this bike last week. It is a sweet bike. The dealers out the door price was $5200 including tax and registration. They were charging for freight.
Indeed, this is a very nice motorcycle. :) Where do you live? Many dealers are selling this bike at MSRP without any added freight charges, et cetera. ;)

Spud :)

[keithert]

I'm in Illinois. The dealer just became a Honda dealer and claim they are selling all Honda's at cost plus setup to move a lot of Hondas in their first year as a dealer. Them seem to think they are giving people a deal!

[SpudRider]

I'm in Illinois. The dealer just became a Honda dealer and claim they are selling all Honda's at cost plus setup to move a lot of Hondas in their first year as a dealer. Them seem to think they are giving people a deal!
If I were you, I would contact Honda East in Maumee, Ohio. They are selling new, Honda CRF250L motorcycles for $4,269, plus a modest documentation charge. Honda East never charges freight, dealer prep, or any other bogus, additional fees.

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2013-Honda-CRF250L-105026084

If you can rent or borrow a trailer, it will be well worth your effort to to cross Indiana and buy the bike at Honda East in western Ohio. You can pay tax for the bike after you get it back home in Illinois. ;)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Honda has announced it will be building a supermoto version of the CRF250L called the CRF250M. :)

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2013/01/honda-crf250m-an-affordable-supermoto/

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8087/8386469221_1becd63264.jpg

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/honda-crf250m.jpeg

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8510/8386469509_3119f1f6af_o.jpg

Spud :)

[Krasi_BG]

Hm, that's more like my cup of tea now.... 8)

[Weldangrind]

It caught Son of Weldangrind's eye as well.

[SpudRider]

Cycle News did a comparison of the three, Japanese, 250cc, dual sport motorcycles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/Nice_Rumble/Aerostich%20Roadcrafter%20One-Piece%20Suit/Picture1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/Nice_Rumble/Aerostich%20Roadcrafter%20One-Piece%20Suit/Picture1-1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/Nice_Rumble/Aerostich%20Roadcrafter%20One-Piece%20Suit/Picture2.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/Nice_Rumble/Aerostich%20Roadcrafter%20One-Piece%20Suit/Picture2-1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/Nice_Rumble/Aerostich%20Roadcrafter%20One-Piece%20Suit/Picture1-2.png

It's nice to have choices. Each of these three bikes will appeal to different riders, based upon their preferred riding. ;)

Spud :)

[katoranger]

I think I would have to go for the Honda. My riding is slow paced and I prefer a lower seat. For the cost difference one can buy alot of farkles.

Now to wait 5 years for a used one.

[FastDoc]

All good bikes. NO ONE will get any of those three and not be happy :D . It's just a matter of personal preferences/priorities.

More higher performance off road oriented? The Yamaha. (It helps if you have a lot of $ to select this option :wink: )

More street/trail oriented? The Honda. The value of this bike cannot be overstated. It is an amazing bargin. :P

Need lighter weight and more suspension for off roading? The Kawasaki.

With that said these are three excellent bikes. I own the Kawasaki and like it a lot. If I owned the Yamaha or Honda I would be happy too.

For my style the Yamaha would be the best, but it cost several thousand more than the KLX so I wallowed my wallet to have a vote. :wink:

I expect all three will last a long time. The Yamaha being the highest strung will likely have the most long term issues. The Honda is brand new with many new technologies that are unproven and give me (only a little) concern. The Kawasaki is understressed and proven technology that will likely last as the better part of forever.

FWIW there are inexpensive kits to punch the Kawasaki out all the way to 351cc. :lol:



Out of these three now, I would pick the Husqvarna. 8)

[FastDoc]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/winter%202012/klx.jpg

Good enough for Doc to ride to work on this morning. :P Pic taken through my office window.

[SpudRider]

The CRF250L bikes are selling like hotcakes all over the world. In a few years the used bikes will be an even better value than the new ones! ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

The CRF250L's pricing is Honda's kick in the arse to it's competition, Japanese and Chinese.

It's a real gamechanger in this segment.

It will be interesting to see what Kawasaki does next. Suzuki is not eben in this market, and the Yamaha appeals to a somewhat different buyer.

[SpudRider]

Kawasaki will bring the European, fuel injected KLX250S to the United States. However, who knows how long they will wait to do so. :roll: Also, I would expect a price increase from Kawasaki, which would not help sales. :?

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Based upon the track record of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine, I expect the CRF250L will prove to be very reliable. :) Given the low price of new CRF250L bikes, the used bikes will be exceptional bargains. ;)

The aftermarket has already produced a new shock absorber and fork upgrade options. Many Honda fans will also transplant other Honda forks onto the CRF250L. Therefore, the inexpensive, used bikes will be easily upgraded to better suspensions for a very low, total cost. :)

Honda is heading in the right direction. ;) They built the CRF250L to be a "world bike," and they are having great success selling this motorcycle around the globe. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Good point about the track record of the R model with the same motor. That did not occur to me. :wink:

I just don't see how Honda sells them this cheap, they may be losing money on them but making it up on repeat buyers of more expensive machines. This is the so called 'loss leader' marketing.

Kawasaki's model would compete well (with EFI) against the Honda, but would have to be priced about the same, and I can't picture Kawasaki doing that.

[SpudRider]

Here's something else to consider, Doc. ;) Not only does the CRF250L have a very low MSRP; the price of parts is also very low. :) In fact, the price of parts for this Honda motorcycle is very near the price of parts for a Chinese motorcycle! 8O

The CRF250L will be very inexpensive to repair and maintain. In terms of cost, the CRF250L is the closest, Japanese equivalent to a Chinese motorcycle! :D However, the CRF250L is built with Honda quality and reliability. In addition, the CRF250L enjoys an unparalleled, international, parts support network. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

And I can't picture a knowledgable buyer paying more for the Kawasaki. I also don't see them discounted now as they were in years gone by this time of year. I'm guessing they are sitting in the showrooms and warehouses.

Still there are brand loyal people out nthere that will always buy Green, Red, Blue, Orange or whatever.

I have no preference. I just want the best bike for my needs for the money. :lol:

[katoranger]

I think some people will go Kawasaki due to the adjustable suspension. My riding fits the Honda. I don't really have on difficult off road here. Mostly riding on the street.

The kawasaki would do just fine for me too, but the yamaha would be a waste of a good bike.

There was no used CRFs on ebay.

[FastDoc]

If I was making the choice today between my KLX and a CRF-L I would have picked the L. At the time however Honda's entry was the CRF230L, which although a nice bike, was quite inferior to the KLX in every performance regard.

Nowadays I'm leaning more towards the European bikes as my riding ability has increased some.

[katoranger]

The crf230 doesn't compare to the KLX. It would serve me okay.

[FastDoc]

The 230 is a good bike too, it's just that the KLX was better for less money. Similar to the current situation between the CRF-250L and the KLX250.

[MICRider]

I want one of each! :wink: