do we have any knowledge of the 450cc bikes

[recracer]

http://www.pitmotorsltd.com/pitl1_030.htm listed on pit motors for cleveland cycle werks . guessing they are asiawing products

[culcune]

Looks promising, but they have showed 3 Hooliguns so far, too. I'll believe it when I see it.

[recracer]

Looks promising, but they have showed 3 Hooliguns so far, too. I'll believe it when I see it. You are right , they show a different one a 250 supermoto i suspect megelli related on cleveland cylcewerks and before that a 250 that looked more like the Qlink 250mt ,with no signs of a 450cc . defenitly a wait and see . The usa EPA is a pretty hard nut to crack these days

[SpudRider]

I haven't heard any news regarding that bike. As with you, I won't hold my breath waiting for it to arrive. ;) I am hopeful the larger bikes will finally make their way to the United States. However, we currently aren't seeing many bikes of any size being imported from China. :roll:

Spud :)

[MICRider]

I'm guessing if they ever do make it to market that they're going to be very expensive! Plus, water cooling on the chinese machines still gives me the willy's :)

[SpudRider]

How can a Chinese, 450cc bike with a carburetor compete with the Honda, CRF250L with fuel injection? ;)

Spud :)

[recracer]

CCW HOOLIGUN 450 R
ENGINE
Engine Type 449cc liquid cooled, single cylinder, SOHC, four stroke.
Bore + Stroke 96mm x 62.1mm
Compression Ratio 11:1
Fuel System carbureted with EEC, EFI tuned port with EPA/CARB
Maximum Output 43.5 HP / 7000 RPM
Maximum Torque 42.5 NM / 6500 RPM
Ignition System DCDI
Starting System electric and kick
Gearshift Specification 5 speed, standard international shift pattern (1,N,2,3,4,5)
Final Drive KMC 520 chain, front 15t / rear 46t
CHASSIS / SUSPENSION / BRAKES
Chassis all aluminum twin spar upper with all aluminum sub frame and linked rear swing arm
Front Suspension
47mm inverted style fork with rebound and compression-dampening adjustability, 250mm
of travel
Rear Suspension
pro-link single shock with spring preload adjustment and rebound-dampening adjustability
305mm of travel
Front Brakes single 240mm disc with dual piston caliper
Rear Brakes single 240mm disc with single piston caliper
Front Wheel 17"
Rear Wheel 17"
DIMENSIONS
L x W x H 2320 x 830 x 1300 mm
Wheelbase 1500 mm
Ground Clearance 330 mm
Seat Height 960 mm
Fuel Capacity 8 liter
Weight 120 KG / 264.6 LBS
DETAILED INFO:
Tail Light + Turn Signals LED lighting
Speedometer digital speedometer available in MPH and KPH
Colors polypropylene color impregnated black with CCW graphics packages

[recracer]

looks like asiawing has a few years behind there 450cc heres a 2009 youtube race with a 450mxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHsWIbBCLos

[Weldangrind]

For insurance reasons, it's too bad that it's not 399cc.

[recracer]

After a few chats with some in the usa and china . Looks like the msrp will be in the 6000 dollar range . I am also told the 450 is an exact copy of a honda 450 . witch year honda 450 i don't know 2012 honda exhaust exits on the left ,so not that new for sure . On a side note i also was told Zongshen was working on there own 400cc engine , could be very late in 2013 to hear anything about it .

[SpudRider]

I am definitely interested to learn more of the Zongshen, 400cc engine. :) However, at the price you listed, I think a 400cc chinabike will have a hard time competing with the Honda CRF250L priced at $4,499. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

43.5hp is impressive.

[recracer]

I agree at that price it is close to the msrp of a suzuki drz400 . in weight and power close to crf450 . a steller reveiw and a price in the 5200 5300 range could help it . spec show the usa epa /carb model will have fuel injection

[katoranger]

msrp of 6000 which means an actual price closer to 5000. Still alot for an unknown bike.

[recracer]

I have been trying to find anything i could about these bikes . i don't read or speak this . but it appears you can have your asiawing in all wheel drive .2012 Christini AWD 450

http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/945138-christini-450-awd/





Christini 450 All-Wheel Drive Motorcycle(La gamma è divisa in due e quattro tempi. AWD 250 ed AWD 300 (entrambe EnduroCross - avete presente i video girati nel deserto del Mojave? Ecco...) sono spinte dal propulsore Gas Gas a due tempi, mentre AWD 450 (EnduroCross), AWD 450DS (Enduro omologata per la circolazione stradale) ed AWD 450SM (Supermotard) montano un quattro tempi da 450cc prodotto dalla cinese Asiawing Motors su base Honda CRF.)

[Weldangrind]

Not sure if it helps, but it appears to be Italian:

(The range is divided into two four times. AWD AWD 250 and 300 (both Endurocross - do you remember the video shot in the Mojave Desert? Here ...) are driven by the engine Gas Gas two-stroke, while AWD 450 (Endurocross ), AWD 450DS (Enduro homologated for road use) and AWD 450SM (Supermoto) fitted with a 450cc four-stroke produced by Chinese Asiawing Motors Honda CRF-based.)

[SpudRider]

All wheel drive on a motorcycle is very cool! :)

Spud :)

[recracer]

latest reveiw i have found . not exactly inspiring. I don't know CCW rep overall . But i don't think they just bring it and hope for the best. I think the just of this reveiw is the bike overheated and he could not get it solved . I do question the choice of pure undiluted antifreeze and then plain water , 50/50 mix should be better than both of those .http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?4264-Asiawing-LX450X-亚翔LD450-Rider-Review

[recracer]

Appears to have some parts interchange . Top photo 2004 crf 450 . Bottom asiawing 450 http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq127/recracer/450/crf450_zps95537ab4.jpg http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq127/recracer/450/450CC-Engine-Water-Cooling_zps10405a7a.jpg

[recracer]

Interesting read http://www.bikermetric.com/2012/03/interview-with-scott-colosimo-of.html

[FastDoc]

That looks like a close copy :D . If that's the case then parts may be widely available. If that's the case this engine may be the best thing to happen to China Bikes in a long time. :P

[FastDoc]

Odd it appears the Chinese motor says '750cc'

[SpudRider]

Odd it appears the Chinese motor says '750cc'
That is probably the oil capacity of the engine, Doc. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Duh. :oops:

[FastDoc]

Working real hard and studying for Board recertification.

Brain full....

[SpudRider]

Working real hard and studying for Board recertification.

Brain full....
:lol:

Good luck with your tests, Doc. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

As a doctor I study most days some, but I really have to buckle down. This is The Big One. Every 10 years...

I'm taking the test in October 2013 but I want to get 75% of my studying done before Spring as I want to enjoy the riding season. With that said I'll still study all year, just not quite as severe. :lol:

As far as luck goes, Brother Spud, you know we don't believe in luck :wink:

[SpudRider]

Of course, luck has nothing do with with preparing for examinations. ;) I was merely using an idiomatic expression. I wish for your fruitful, efficient study and preparation. :)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

Aside from the oil fill and timing chain tensioner, it's really close. I need to figure out how to get my hands on one...

[FastDoc]

The plumbing off the water pump is a little different but likely of no consequence. :D

[katoranger]

Looks like it is a just a routing thing. This may be the next big thing for the China bike market.

[FastDoc]

Amen to that :D . It it proves to hold up as well as a typical Chinamotor (NOT the XY400 engines that have become anathema :twisted: ) and the price is right this could change everything in the CB marketplace. :D

They could power anything from small cruisers and light tourers to motocrossers with that engine, if they can refine it enough.

[katoranger]

I would love to have a 450cc bike although a smaller one would still get me to work and back. I think I would use the gravel roads.

Was looking for a ct90 that I could repower.

[SpudRider]

I'm not trying to be negative; I have high hopes for this engine. However, I wish the Chinese would just make a faithful copy of these Japanese engines. :roll: I'm particularly concerned about the cam chain tensioner. I don't think the Chinese should be "modifying" that component with a different design. :roll:

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Could be Spud but overall it looks like a pretty close copy...

With that said I would not be an 'early adopter' if you know what I mean! :lol:

I also would have liked a little better if they cloned the XR400 engine. :?

Even the Honda 450 is NOT know as a reliable high use/mileage unit. Indeed out of the high performance 450's (not saying this engine will share the same extreme redline and compression) the Honda is generally regarded as the one with the shortest lifespan.

Usually its Yamaha/KTM as the most solid, then Kawasaki/Suzuki, the Honda in terms of motocrosser longevity.

[FastDoc]

The XR400 engine is one of the most reliable bike engines ever made, and it has no cooling system to fail to speak of, other than the oil cooler.

[recracer]

LINK to a larger web veiw . I was looking really hard to see the cam chain tensioner . Seems hard to see in this veiw . I need to find more veiws and an electric start crf450 picture http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00BSbaZHKPrpkj/450CC-Engine-Water-Cooling.jpg

[SpudRider]

Could be Spud but overall it looks like a pretty close copy...

With that said I would not be an 'early adopter' if you know what I mean! :lol: ...
:lol:

The Xingyue engine also looks pretty good on the outside. ;) I'm not trying to be a "wet blanket." I would feel better about that engine if it were an exact, faithful copy of the Honda engine. However, since it isn't, I wouldn't want to be an "early adopter," either. ;)

Spud :)

[recracer]

Alibaba will not let pictures be copied , this link has clear veiw of the tensioner and adjustments on the forks http://kinbo.en.alibaba.com/product/642745447-213854549/dirt_bikes_450cc_water_cooled.html

[SpudRider]

Alibaba will not let pictures be copied , this link has clear veiw of the tensioner and adjustments on the forks http://kinbo.en.alibaba.com/product/642745447-213854549/dirt_bikes_450cc_water_cooled.html
Thanks for posting the link, Racer. :) That photograph looks much better, and is more encouraging when you compare it to the photograph of the CRF450R shown below. :)

http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/blnc/121128/941r1/3141dii_20.jpeg

Spud :)

[recracer]

Thanks Spud we can compare the whole left side http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq127/recracer/450/450CC-Enduro-Dirt-Bike-Motorcycle-With-EEC_zps401d344d.jpg

[recracer]

IS this the aweful 400cc http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/651221462/high_performance_400cc_motorcycle_oil_cooled/showimage.html

[Weldangrind]

The XR400 engine is one of the most reliable bike engines ever made, and it has no cooling system to fail to speak of, other than the oil cooler.

Preach it, brother. I'd gladly sign up for a copy of that engine. I'd consider installing it in a redneck cafe racer.

[Weldangrind]

IS this the aweful 400cc http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/651221462/high_performance_400cc_motorcycle_oil_cooled/showimage.html

That looks something like the Xingyue, but I don't think that's it.

[SpudRider]

IS this the aweful 400cc http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/651221462/high_performance_400cc_motorcycle_oil_cooled/showimage.html
Here's a photograph of the Shineray, 400cc, air cooled engine. :)

http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/651221462/high_performance_400cc_motorcycle_oil_cooled_engin e.jpg

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

Alibaba will not let pictures be copied , this link has clear veiw of the tensioner and adjustments on the forks http://kinbo.en.alibaba.com/product/642745447-213854549/dirt_bikes_450cc_water_cooled.html

You can probably copy the pics if you try another browser. That's similar to a trick I learned about internet voting to win motorcycles.

[SpudRider]

The Shineray X5 engine appears to be a fairly close copy of the XR400R engine, with an electric starter! :) I started a new thread on the Shineray X5. ;)

http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=162754#162754

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Alibaba will not let pictures be copied , this link has clear veiw of the tensioner and adjustments on the forks http://kinbo.en.alibaba.com/product/642745447-213854549/dirt_bikes_450cc_water_cooled.html

You can probably copy the pics if you try another browser. That's similar to a trick I learned about internet voting to win motorcycles.
:lol:

Spud :lol:

[recracer]

:lol:

[recracer]

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2013/01/ccw-hooligun-a-6000-450cc-liquid-cooled-dual-sport/ I just found this link about these bikes

[Weldangrind]

I like their products so far, and I hope this isn't one of the Rotax / Honda hybrids.

[FastDoc]

That does not look like the Rotax hybrid clunker engine to me.

On the other hand, $6,000!!!!!!! 8O 8O 8O

That's like a new DRZ or a nearly new KTM!!!!

[SpudRider]

I agree with FastDoc. ;) These vendors are charging way too much for Chinese motorcycles! 8O

Spud :)

[recracer]

It looks so much like a honda 450 clone . If it has complete parts interchange . 5000 mite be worth it .

[FastDoc]

Current list price DRZ400: $6,199.

Usual sale price in my area $5,750.

5,750 X 65%= $3,737.

The most I would recommend paying for a totally unknown bike with unknown and unlikely support unseen would be $3,737 and that would be a heck of a stretch. The most I would recommend would be maybe $3,000.

And for that same $3,000 a guy could find a nice clean 5 year old DRZ.

I am NOT BASHING Chinabikes here, just pointing out some economic realities.

[recracer]

All Good points Doc . The other usa imported chinese 450s likely the same But awd http://www.christini.com/bikes/christini-awd-450 http://www.othermakes.net/2011/02/19/christini-announces-christini-branded-450-manufactured-in-china/

[FastDoc]

I like CB's don't get me wrong. They can be fun, effective, decent quality, affordable bikes. But until they can rival Suzuki's dealer network, parts and aftermarket support, quality, and performance, they do no merit the same price.

That's where I came up with the formula used above.

[recracer]

completely understood Doc . I have to fight my urge to buy things that should not be so good ,that i can play with to make better http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq127/recracer/viva%20200/100_1520.jpg http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq127/recracer/viva%20200/DSC01109.jpg

[FastDoc]

You did a great job on that beautiful bike. 8)

The 200cc OHC/OHV Hondoids are good investments and make excellent project starting points.

A 400+cc $6,000 bike is a different matter entirely. :wink: