UM Renegade ZS169FML

[oviking99]

I bought a 2004 UM Renegade ZS169FML for 250.00. It has only 1100 miles on it. No compression. Turned out someone did it's initial service replaced the spark plug with the wrong one. It was too long. Punched a hole in the piston, broke the intake valve and drove it like a nail thru the top of the cylinder head. I cannot find a piston or cylinder head for it. I'll start a new thread on it,, but if you know of a source for said parts please let me know.

[SpudRider]

I found the following parts resources for your UM Renegade 200. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=req7CZ8DU_A

http://www.martinracingdealer.com/REPAIR%20MANUALS/UM/12.01.10/Renegade%20200.pdf

[oviking99]

I found the following parts resources for your UM Renegade 200. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=req7CZ8DU_A

http://www.martinracingdealer.com/REPAIR%20MANUALS/UM/12.01.10/Renegade%20200.pdf

Great info Spud!

[SpudRider]

I also encourage you to find the official Chinese designation for your motorcycle, which might be inscribed on the VIN plate. For example, my Zongshen Sierra 200 is officially designated as a ZS200GY-2, or an LZX200GY-2. Once you know the official designation, you might be able to find parts for you bike on the Taobao website. :tup:

[oviking99]

After looking at the manual for the Renegade, it shows a pushrod engine. Mine is an OHC oil cooled engine. I called MRP and was interrupted when I tried to explain this, and was told to have my mechanic at the dealer identify the part and order it from them. No bad thoughts to the owner of MRP, I imagine he gets too many calls from DIYers like me wasting his time. They are after all a wholesaler. I have two worries, I am the mechanic, and the manual shows a pushrod head. My other concern is I don't trust the local China dealers. They've all received some pretty bad reviews. I have seen their work, not very good. Retired in Georgia (I love it here) , this is when I miss California. For those thinking the engine was replaced, prior, it is chromed in all the right paces to match the bike. Both bike and engine look like they have 1150 miles, almost new. The engine is stamped ZS169FML, when doing research on the engine, it is shown as a pushrod, and/or OHC ,sometimes referred to as a 250cc. The jug is stamped 198cc. The cylinder measures 69mm. The piston is 68.5mm. I'll research Taobao for the parts, if not looks like I'll transplant the Baja 167fMM 250cc engine into the Renegade. Just hate to waste a low mileage, great looking engine.

[oviking99]

I also encourage you to find the official Chinese designation for your motorcycle, which might be inscribed on the VIN plate. For example, my Zongshen Sierra 200 is officially designated as a ZS200GY-2, or an LZX200GY-2. Once you know the official designation, you might be able to find parts for you bike on the Taobao website. :tup:

Thanks Spud!

[Weldangrind]

That's a counter-balanced motor as well. May we see the left side of the engine?

[oviking99]

That's a counter-balanced motor as well. May we see the left side of the engine?

The pic posted is not my bike. I posted to illustrate the bike. Interestingly enough, this engine is Not the same. I'll post photos of my engine. Sorry for the confusion.

[oviking99]

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Right side.

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[humanbeing]

Almost everything can found in this shop:
http://cqgty.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w6-18161457807.21.jJxuPu&scid=646423429&scname=19rJ6rfnwOQtQ0IyNTA%3D&checkedRange=true&queryType=cat

[oviking99]

Almost everything can found in this shop:
http://cqgty.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w6-18161457807.21.jJxuPu&scid=646423429&scname=19rJ6rfnwOQtQ0IyNTA%3D&checkedRange=true&queryType=cat
Spud has recommended the site as well.
Do you know of a thread that talks about taobao.com, as far as shipping costs, integrity, and time to ship?
Thanks.

[SpudRider]

Search the forums for "taobao," and you will find several threads. :)

[Weldangrind]

I've purchased parts via Taobao and Tbtrends.com three times now, with good success.

[oviking99]

Well, suffern' succotash, I found the engine on Taobao! Two hrs of figuring out the right words to place in the search In my case, "Zongshen CB200 chain-drive". Chain drive must be OHC (chain driven). The bore and stroke match but the FML is FMJ on the newer engine.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.bo4U5X&id=4192329459&initiative_new=1
216.00 + 65.00 Agent and domestic shipping + 68.00 International fees. $350.00 delivered.

[SpudRider]

Learning Taobao search skills is worth the effort. ;) An international shipping cost of $68 is not very much for an engine! :tup:

[oviking99]

I agree Spud, pretty cheap, although that is estimated overseas shipping, so when I get the definite figure, I post it. The machine shop estimated 400.00 just to fix the cylinder head, of which I could not find new. So a whole engine for a fraction of the repair costs of the old engine!

[oviking99]

Whoops, I didn't click the right box. The default box is 150cc, mine is a 200cc, 200 CYN above the cost so 32.00 USD more = $382.00. Still cheap as dirt! And yes learning the translated terms for Chinenglish is like a logic game and well worth the effort, considering I have been looking for parts and replacement for a few months. I happened to learn a lot of the Chinese designations are based on the Honda CB or CG, etc., as in CB125.

[oviking99]

Well, I'm waiting on www.tbtrends.com before I order anymore parts, so I'm thinking I'm going to try and repair the cylinder head myself. The machine shop I took it to, said about 100 bucks just to extract the intake valve from the head. Thanks Irwin for making nice Channel Lock Pliers! Took about one second to remove it. So much for the local shops around here. The exhaust seat looks ok, obviously there is a hole in the top, where the intake valve wound up. but I'm thinking I can puddle weld the hole and other depressions, and grind to shape. I'll post photos later.Then to seat and lap the valves. If only I could find a local source for the piston.
BTW thanks humanbeing for the overseas source. I'm having a senior moment as to where I set the piston.

[oviking99]

The cylinder 'jug' seems to be okay, I'm thinking a quick hone will work out the minor scuffs. It 'feels' pretty good using the fingernail test...still lookin for that dang piston...

[Weldangrind]

I'm very interested in following your cylinder head repairs. Obtaining a new piston on eBay should be easy.

[oviking99]

I tried ebay, but didn't have much success. humanbeing helped point me to the right parts from taobao.com :thanks: They are now 'comfirmed' in my taobaotrends.com basket. I was waiting for delivery from my first order. I received that today, and will pull the trigger on the next order. The whole 'bare' cylinder head including the valve/cam cover is only 43.50USD, so I think that's the better option. I'd like to find a complete cylinder head with the valves, etc., but still can't seem to find one.

[oviking99]

I found a new engine on craigslist that a fellow bought for his ATV, and realized it had no reverse. It comes with a complete harness, cdi, rectifier, coil, header, muffler etc. It's a 163FML pushrod for 200.00. I think it might bolt right in? Any transplant thoughts?
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/mpo/4068752447.html

[oviking99]

Actually, it looks like it came off of a GY200 clone or so. The header, muffler and carb look identical to my Redcat GY200.

[culcune]

My guess is it will bolt in and work. Years ago, I had a Jetmoto enduro, which had a 200 Zongshen engine (don't recall the model number i.e. 'FML 167' or what have you). I somehow seized the stock engine, and found a brand new Lifan 200 on Ebay which I believe was the same engine as this one you are showing (163 FML). It went in and ran fine, but I wasn't the person who did the swap, so don't know what, if anything, needed adjusting/adapting. I say go for it!

[oviking99]

My guess is it will bolt in and work. Years ago, I had a Jetmoto enduro, which had a 200 Zongshen engine (don't recall the model number i.e. 'FML 167' or what have you). I somehow seized the stock engine, and found a brand new Lifan 200 on Ebay which I believe was the same engine as this one you are showing (163 FML). It went in and ran fine, but I wasn't the person who did the swap, so don't know what, if anything, needed adjusting/adapting. I say go for it!
Thanks for the response.
I am sorry to report, the guy never called me back for the engine. I have no clue why. I even called a second time. Oh well, she'll sit till this winter, and make a nice indoor project.;)

[culcune]

Oh well...you could try to get the proper replacement engine you tracked down on Taobao? I always look through both the Phoenix and L.A. Craiglists, and there are often Zongshen engined dirt bikes for sale, oftentimes 250cc (Apollo branded bikes are often advertised there, as well as other brands that use Zongshen engines). If my bike ever needs a new engine, I have thought of going this route; although I would probably just get a new TMEC 200 bike to start over.

[oviking99]

Oh well...you could try to get the proper replacement engine you tracked down on Taobao? I always look through both the Phoenix and L.A. Craiglists, and there are often Zongshen engined dirt bikes for sale, oftentimes 250cc (Apollo branded bikes are often advertised there, as well as other brands that use Zongshen engines). If my bike ever needs a new engine, I have thought of going this route; although I would probably just get a new TMEC 200 bike to start over.
With limited time, I had to re-think the less time consumption route. Yes, I found the engine on Taobao, but never correctly calculated shipping costs to the US. I paid 39.00 for a box of parts that weighed very little, so I'm concerned that it might be easier to buy a new Ebay 167FML for 450.00, shipped. I have seen a Lifan and Vento versions of a 250cc cruiser at an asking price of 650.00, so I'm in a quandary. The "Honda clone" engine would have put me at 500.00 total. I have also seen some great deals on Japanese road bikes in the 400 to 650cc class for not much more. I have owned these road Hondas, CB175, a CL350, and a CB750. I have also owned a KZ650 that a buddy and I tricked out for power. That was faster than the CB750.
I don't think I'd be happy spending the bucks for a 200 to 250cc road bike.
I got too addicted to twisting the throttle as well as the bikes on mountain roads. Thats my hesitation. I'd probably spend the bucks on the UM, then buy a more powerful bike. I 'cafe'd' the Hondas. I used to ride Palamaras Canyon road from Oakland to Highway 84 in Fremont, then on to Sunol and Pleasanton/Livermore. Can't ride those twisters underpowered, but then again I'm gettin too old to be thrill riding. :hmm:

[oviking99]

I won't go off topic too much here, but N.GA has some world renown roads, especially in the fall!

[culcune]

I guess is think about what you got the bike for, and how much more an engine would cost, even new. It would seem a shame not to have a very good looking bike back on the road, considering you could sell it and fund a faster, twistier, project. However, your best bet would seem to be to put the engine in and sell it running, asking $1k or more, and seeing what they offer you. I guess you could sell it non-running, but would probably break even. However, you are the one that would know your regional CL and the market for used Chinese bikes.

[oviking99]

I guess is think about what you got the bike for, and how much more an engine would cost, even new. It would seem a shame not to have a very good looking bike back on the road, considering you could sell it and fund a faster, twistier, project. However, your best bet would seem to be to put the engine in and sell it running, asking $1k or more, and seeing what they offer you. I guess you could sell it non-running, but would probably break even. However, you are the one that would know your regional CL and the market for used Chinese bikes.

Yes sir I agree. Most of the bikes I have acquired were non runners. I don't know why, but I almost feel obligated to get them at least running. This bike had 1149 miles on it when someone installed the wrong spark plug, causing all the head damage. It is certainly a classic looking bike. I'm not into the parting out thing, just doesn't feel right. So, I will get her running at some point.

[oviking99]

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Nice example.
This is not my bike, but an example and inspiration to myself. I'd like to know what counter-balanced engine they used in this UM200. Mine is not counter-balanced.

[culcune]

Good looking bike...my guess is they used another type of Zongshen engine, or Lifan, because those are the two engine-manufacturing powerhouses.

[oviking99]

475Well, well. I found this on craigslist, but he told me it was sold. He called and said the guy never showed up. 75 bucks and it runs! Pick it up tomorrow. A UM Renegade 250.

[SpudRider]

475Well, well. I found this on craigslist, but he told me it was sold. He called and said the guy never showed up. 75 bucks and it runs! Pick it up tomorrow. A UM Renegade 250.

You da man! Good for you. :tup:

Have you told swmbo? :hehe:

[oviking99]

You da man! Good for you. :tup:

Have you told swmbo? :hehe:

Excuse the slang, it went over like a turd in a punch bowl :ohno:, but I told her we'd go to dinner after we picked it up, then it was better!:D

[SpudRider]

Excuse the slang, it went over like a turd in a punch bowl :ohno:, but I told her we'd go to dinner after we picked it up, then it was better!:D

:lmao:

[oviking99]

From the looks of it, it should bolt right into my frame. May have to cut and weld the exhaust a bit. It looks like a counter-balanced engine, I'll know when I pick it up. I've seen a Lifan cruiser that has this engine, but not a UM. A 250 to boot.

[oviking99]

Picked up the bike. LB253FMM, 2 cylinder. L for Lifan, 2 for 2 x 53 mm bore? I'm guessing.
2- 27mm carbs. This is all conjecture. It was a long drive thur Atl on Friday night traffic, then back. 4-1/2 hrs, with a stop at Jersey Mikes Deli. Incredible reubens BTW, but I am SURE glad I live in the country!! It is still on the trailer, she'll wait until the morn. Same size rear tire as the 200GY-2, 15 inch rear. It looks like a better dual sport than what's on the Vento. Almost new. 2,256 miles on the od, though that could be wrong. I'll post pics tomorrow. I hope the engine will fit the UM frame, as I have a title for it.

[oviking99]

476Donor, Longbo specs

Specifications: 1) Engine: LB253FMM, two cylinders, 4 stroke, air-cooled 2) Displacement: 233cc 3) Max. speed: 80km/h 4) Max. loading capacity: 150kg 5) Dimensions (L x W x H): 2300 x 850 x 1120mm 6) Rated power: 11.0kW/8500rpm 7) Dry gross weight: 140kg 8) Bore x stroke: 53.0 x 53.0mm 9) Min fuel consumption: 354g/kW.h 10) Wheelbase: 1480mm 11) Min. clearance: 130mm 12) Compress ratio: 9.2:1 13) Ignition: CDI 14) Clutch type: wet multi-plate 15) Starting mode: electrical / kick 16) Lubricating type: force splashing 17) Transmission system: international 5 gearshift 18) Transmission type: chain 19) Front brake: disc brake 20) Rear brake: drum 21) Fuel capacity: 11L 22) Rim type: aluminum 23) Headlight: 12V, 35 / 35W 24) Battery: 12V 7Ah 25) Front wheel: 110/90-16 26) Rear wheel: 130/90-15
Model No.: LB250-13
Product Origin: China
Brand Name: LONGBO

[SpudRider]

Picked up the bike. LB253FMM, 2 cylinder. L for Lifan, 2 for 2 x 53 mm bore? I'm guessing.
2- 27mm carbs. This is all conjecture. It was a long drive thur Atl on Friday night traffic, then back. 4-1/2 hrs, with a stop at Jersey Mikes Deli. Incredible reubens BTW, but I am SURE glad I live in the country!! It is still on the trailer, she'll wait until the morn. Same size tires as the 200GY-2, 15 inch rear. It looks like a better dual sport than what's on the Vento. Almost new. 2,256 miles on the od, though that could be wrong. I'll post pics tomorrow. I hope the engine will fit the UM frame, as I have a title for it.
Do you plan to put better, off road tires on your Zong/Vento?

[oviking99]

Do you plan to put better, off road tires on your Zong/Vento?

Yes I do. The rear has maybe 30 % tread, but the front has slight dry rot causing it to oscillate at anything over 40mph. A bit scary entering a curve. I will replace the front soon, as it's much easier to find an 18" dual sport. The rear tire on the Longbo is the same size as the Zong. It's a Duro. The tread looks great, not quite dual sport. I'll post pics in the morning. I believe it was one of the tires mentioned in your tire thread.

[SpudRider]

Yes I do. The rear has maybe 30 % tread, but the front has slight dry rot causing it to oscillate at anything over 40mph. A bit scary entering a curve. I will replace the front soon, as it's much easier to find an 18" dual sport. The rear tire on the Longbo is the same size as the Zong. It's a Duro. The tread looks great, not quite dual sport. I'll post pics in the morning. I believe it was one of the tires mentioned in your tire thread.
You have lots of good choices for the front wheel. :) The rear wheel is an entirely different matter. :ohno:

[oviking99]

I posted the Duro rear tire pics in the Dual Sport Vento 200GY-2 section.

[SpudRider]

You might be interested in this Duro 627 tire for sale on eBay. ;)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dunlop-K627-130-90-15-Rear-Tire-for-Cruisers-and-Touring-Motorcycles-115-NEW-/390615180661?vxp=mtr

You can also check if this vendor in Ontario can sell you a CST C7208 tire in size 130/90-15.

http://www.soslube.com/cst/tire-products/tire-brands/cst/c7208

[oviking99]

You might be interested in this Duro 627 tire for sale on eBay. ;)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dunlop-K627-130-90-15-Rear-Tire-for-Cruisers-and-Touring-Motorcycles-115-NEW-/390615180661?vxp=mtr

You can also check if this vendor in Ontario can sell you a CST C7208 tire in size 130/90-15.

http://www.soslube.com/cst/tire-products/tire-brands/cst/c7208


Great find. Thanks Spud! The sidewalls on the Dunlop looks like it will handle terrain much better than the Duro. :thanks:

[SpudRider]

You're welcome. :) I always enjoy the opportunity to help a fellow Zongite. :tup:

[Weldangrind]

Picked up the bike. LB253FMM, 2 cylinder. L for Lifan, 2 for 2 x 53 mm bore? I'm guessing.
2- 27mm carbs. This is all conjecture. It was a long drive thur Atl on Friday night traffic, then back. 4-1/2 hrs, with a stop at Jersey Mikes Deli. Incredible reubens BTW, but I am SURE glad I live in the country!! It is still on the trailer, she'll wait until the morn. Same size rear tire as the 200GY-2, 15 inch rear. It looks like a better dual sport than what's on the Vento. Almost new. 2,256 miles on the od, though that could be wrong. I'll post pics tomorrow. I hope the engine will fit the UM frame, as I have a title for it.

Awesome score! i wish we had stuff like that around here. The only road legal China bikes I've seen locally are 200cc DS Honda clones, and they're rare.

Mmm, reubens.

[oviking99]

The 75.00 Longbo donor.
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[Weldangrind]

Looks like good bobber material. At that price, you certainly wouldn't mind chopping it up.

[oviking99]

Looks like good bobber material. At that price, you certainly wouldn't mind chopping it up.
Most definitely. I think the seat on the kids Schwinn bicycle in the picture is higher!

[oviking99]

Posted the startup of the Longbo engine. Carb rebuild time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD8uitbj8Os&feature=youtu.be

[Weldangrind]

Dig the flames! :D

I presume that you're not going to run open exhaust, and the engine will smarten up considerably with mufflers. The carbs might not be as bad as you think.

[oviking99]

Dig the flames! :D

I presume that you're not going to run open exhaust, and the engine will smarten up considerably with mufflers. The carbs might not be as bad as you think.
X2 on the flames. I didn't notice them till I saw the video!

I agree. headers too short to tune yet.

[oviking99]

I started a new thread for the 250cc 253FMM cruiser.