larger fuel tank?

[bogieboy]

Has anyone put a larger tank on thier china bike? Im looking for one for my shineray/roketa db07a.... I want to do some longer riding and have more of a reserve... Anyone know if any of the acerbis stuff would come close to fitting?

[FastDoc]

Please see my post in the Dual Sport section about my long range fuel solution.

[bogieboy]

Please see my post in the Dual Sport section about my long range fuel solution.

I would rather not have to carry extra cans....LOL when i go out riding i prefer to travel light... I would rather have the gas in the tank than on my back...

[Weldangrind]

With a MIG welder, you could fit any tank you wish. You could try a universal Clarke tank, but I suspect that it wouldn't hold much more than your current tank.

[Weldangrind]

BTW, you don't need to carry the cans in a backpack. Quick Fist straps allow you to strap the cans to the fork tubes, and they're cheap and durable.

[FastDoc]

BTW, you don't need to carry the cans in a backpack. Quick Fist straps allow you to strap the cans to the fork tubes, and they're cheap and durable.

Yep!

[FastDoc]

Plus the weight is the same no matter where it is on the bike, and you don't have to take the extra gas on any trip that does not require it and the cans will work with any machine you have.

A desert tank for my YZF and the KLR would have been in the area of $500 and I'd lose the slimness of both those bikes that I like so much, especially in the technical terrain.

[bogieboy]

so i am gonna bump a 2 yr old thread here...LOL finally getting around to finding larger tanks.... i found a killer deal (40 shipped)on a stock 1997 dr650 tank, that looks like dimensions should be dang close.... and will bump fuel capacity from 1.1 gal to 3.4.... probably gonna clean and paint it beffore it goes on...

[Sport Rider]

if this doesnt work the way you want, have you considered the new hawk tanks? they are 3.3 gal.

[bogieboy]

if this doesnt work the way you want, have you considered the new hawk tanks? they are 3.3 gal.

i looked into several chinabike tanks, however the only ones that had the right angle for the seat (how it comes up the tank) were not readily available... i have a shineray/roketa DB-07A, which has a steeper angle to the seat nose as well as extending further up the tank.



http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/IMG_20150825_194156_964_zpsjyo503sc.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/IMG_20150825_194156_964_zpsjyo503sc.jpg.html)


https://www.TxPowerSports.com//v/vspfiles/photos/-DIRT-BIKE-250CC-2T.jpg

[bogieboy]

i am REALLLLYYYYY rusty on my photobucket manipulations, and this was a poor effort due to bing done on lunchbreak...LOL but to get an idea.... maybe.... see how close that seat angle is?

[bogieboy]

after a little adhesive remover and a coat of paint....

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20160210_151146_zpsllsr2w2c.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20160210_151146_zpsllsr2w2c.jpg.html)

[Wolftrax]

after a little adhesive remover and a coat of paint....

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20160210_151146_zpsllsr2w2c.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20160210_151146_zpsllsr2w2c.jpg.html)
Looking good. I love this kind of stuff. Keep em coming.:clap:

[Weldangrind]

I'm looking forward to the installation. The paint looks good; did you clearcoat it?

[bogieboy]

I'm looking forward to the installation. The paint looks good; did you clearcoat it?
i have not yet, but would like to.... just havent had the time working on it on my breaks at work...LOL amazing the things you can come up with from a tractor shop... the blue is a darn close match to my bike... but its ford tractor blue...LOL free can thats been sitting in my paint cabinet forever... theres also a can of clearcoat in there, not sure if its fuel solvent or not yet... gotta do some tests...LOL

[Weldangrind]

There is also a 2K clearcoat in a spray bomb that you could try. You saved on the paint, so it might be worth it to spend a few bucks on clearcoat.

[bogieboy]

I hit it with the clearcoat that I had...lol its an automotive grade spray so I figure its good enough... now just gotta find time to either get the bike in the shop or for it to warm up to fit it....

[Weldangrind]

Please note the brand of clearcoat. If it is successful at protecting the tank from gas spillage, it would be good info for us all.

[bogieboy]

i am going to let it cure for at least a week before testing it out...LOL but i did buff and wax it today and am very happy with how it buffs.... its Plastikote T-45 enamel, i will say it goes on pretty crappy... orange peels like crazy... tried wetsanding and recoating and its no help...LOL so i dont like it because of that... i also sent plastikote an email asking about the fuel solvency of the formula... see what they have to say...

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20160213_115424_zpsjlbwczvn.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20160213_115424_zpsjlbwczvn.jpg.html)

[Adjuster]

There is also a 2K clearcoat in a spray bomb that you could try. You saved on the paint, so it might be worth it to spend a few bucks on clearcoat.


I have used this on my tank. I haven't spilled any fuel on it yet so I don't know if it will hold up. But everything I read on the net said it is the only fuel resistant clear coat. The regular rattle can paint and clear coat will instantly damage when exposed to fuel. I found this out by ruining my first tank spray job.


The 2k went on very easy and looks great. Applied several coats and you really do get that deep shine just like on a new car. The only draw back is its a one time use thing. Once you activate the can it is only good for a few days. I bought my can off Ebay for $25.00 I believe.


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[Weldangrind]

What brand did you buy, Adjuster?

[Weldangrind]

Bogieboy, that's a good idea about sending an email. Perhaps they can point you to the best product in their line.

[SpudRider]

What brand did you buy, Adjuster?

X2; inquiring minds want to know. ;)

[Adjuster]

I am pretty sure this is the same brand I used. Not the same Ebay ad but the same stuff.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USC-SprayMax-3680061-2K-Glamour-High-Gloss-Clearcoat-11-8oz-Aerosol-/161976369386?hash=item25b68b40ea:g:7rQAAOSw3KFWdxo E&item=161976369386&vxp=mtr


Yep thats the same stuff, I still have the old can and I just double checked. Price has come down some. Very easy to use and you get professional looking results. Just as with anything like this, your results are 100% dependent on your prep work of the surface and then follow all the instructions on the can. Also lots of YouTube videos on this stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=SprayMax+3680061+2K+


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[Weldangrind]

Thanks! I'm glad to see that they have a matt and a semi-gloss 2K clear as well. That'll work much better for some paint jobs I have in mind.


http://www.spraymax.com/index.php?id=361&L=1

[bogieboy]

so updates...LOL going to be looking for a fuel resistant clear now... hate to spend the $22 a can avrage for the 2k spraybomb...LOL but tested it this morning, and its nowhere near fuel resistant...or brake cleaner resistant either... also, got a reply from plastikote:

Mr.[bogieboy]:

Thank you for contacting Valspar. [not attached here] Attached is the Product Data Sheet for the T-45. This paint is not designed to have resistance to gasoline.

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for sharing the response.

[bogieboy]

so... time to resurrect this thread again...LOL finally started cutting mounts off and beating the tank tunnel into submission.... kinda kicking myself for getting a california emissions tank... the standard doesn't have a second vent bung, whoch of course ends up RIGHT where it needed to be for the frame to clear... little hammer work and its better.... so far its all just mock up... need to figure out hard mounts and everything yet, as well as lining everything up properly...

but here's a teaser of a dr650 tank on a roketa db07a....hehehe

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20161228_202820_zpscubmnewv.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20161228_202820_zpscubmnewv.jpg.html)

[BlackBike]

Looks great! What's the capacity? More than the original.

[bogieboy]

roughly 3.4 gallons up from 1.1.....LOL

[Merlin]

Very nice I would love one of those for my DB-07.

[Weldangrind]

I think that's a great idea!

[bogieboy]

still figuring out how to mount it, but I did make some progress yesterday and have most of the stuff figured out now... need to get a set of mounting pucks similar to the honda method, and a few rubber grommets fkr the back half ot the tank for vibe isolation, but I think I am real close to making this work!

[Emerikol]

I have the stock DR650 tank from my mule. It's a 2015 tank, in perfect shape. The bike only had about 300 miles on it when I swapped it out for a 6.6 gallon acerbis tank. PM me if anybody is interested in picking it up.

[Merlin]

I have the stock DR650 tank from my mule. It's a 2015 tank, in perfect shape. The bike only had about 300 miles on it when I swapped it out for a 6.6 gallon acerbis tank. PM me if anybody is interested in picking it up.

PM sent

[BlackBike]

Good job merlin, I was about to jump too. Hope you get it. I was looking at the used ebay inventory for these tanks last nite

Bogie...so you think this dr650 is the closest match for this frame?

I took my bike out this afternoon for a quickie..where else, the shell station :hehe:

[bogieboy]

Bogie...so you think this dr650 is the closest match for this frame?

I took my bike out this afternoon for a quickie..where else, the shell station :hehe:

i think the older pre 96 tanks may be better, i just happened upon a great deal on this one and am bound and determined to make it fit.... the BEST fit is probably more along the lines of an xr250 from the 80s/early 90s...

[bogieboy]

picture time.... the flange on the back of the tank was interfering with getting enough clearance for the forks to turn full lock, as the flanfe was hitting the tang on the front of the seat which locks into the frame. got out my brand new Christmas present of a rockwell 3.5a oscillating tool, and went to town with the metal cutting blade... sucker works great!!!!

clearanced the flange to allow the tank to sit slightly further back...

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20170102_160202_zps4prykhj9.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20170102_160202_zps4prykhj9.jpg.html)

[BlackBike]

How bout the front tabs that connect to the neck area. Will those intersect with the existing weld nuts? Mind a gap on the dorsal frame member and the tank. , I remember orange County chopper boys using cardboard or anything as a spacer for the clearance Clarence :hehe: I miss that show.

[bogieboy]

no, there's nothing up front that lines up...yet...LOL I am probably going to grab a set of the pucks and weld in new mounts for the front half of the tank. the front nuts are forward of the entire tank...

[BlackBike]

Great, looking foward to further details.

I looked at xr250 tanks last night on Web a bit, thanks for info.

[bogieboy]

Great, looking foward to further details.

I looked at xr250 tanks last night on Web a bit, thanks for info.
i will say, just like the DR tank, if i recall correctly, you will need to make a front mount for the tank, as i have not seen any tanks (off the top of my head) that use the front bolts as a mounting system. i think the xr tanks will better allign with the seat nose... however i am very curious about swapping in a dr650 seat, as they use the same bolt down style as the roketas... curious how close it may end up being...

[BlackBike]

Any progress?

[bogieboy]

not really.... been stalled by projects that Mrs Bogieboy deem "more important than a motorcycle in the dead of winter" LOL made a bit of progress the other day figuring out how the tank is going to get mounted but have no pics yet... it involves drilling the frame and a bit of threaded rod... haven't done it yet though. .. basically the tank tunnel is an inch or two wider than the tank... the threaded rod goes thru the frame, which the rubber pucks go on the end of the rod, and secure the front of the tank.

[bogieboy]

here's my update for the week....its done...... aside from putting the petcock in and hooking the fuel line up....

so... drilled a hole in the center web of the tank, puut threaded rod thru hole and nutted it down. two more nuts to beef up where the rubber tank pucks go, a few self tappers with hose rubber under the tank flange for the rear mount, and viola!!!! the seat doesn't line up as well as I had hoped but I really don't care at this point... I may fart around with it at a later date and see about trying a dr or drz seat pan, but for now its fully functional...


http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20170122_171702_zpskodelxar.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20170122_171702_zpskodelxar.jpg.html)
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http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20170122_173636_zpsrpvgzkmg.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20170122_173636_zpsrpvgzkmg.jpg.html)

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[ben2go]

You could use some one inch seat foam to build out the front of the seat to make it follow the tank a little better. That is if the DR seat doesn't work out.

[zingshoen]

tank looks great and more capacity is always good: but i wonder how much space there is between tank at the lowest point and cylinder?

[bogieboy]

tank looks great and more capacity is always good: but i wonder how much space there is between tank at the lowest point and cylinder?
there is plenty of room... i will snap a pic of the space tonight... petcock is about 2 inches higher than the carb too...

[BlackBike]

You have it bolted at the back under the seat. Where else is it bolted? You have it resting on the rubber bumpers but no other attachment point other than the back (this is my understanding) . If it is just resting on the bumpers, wouldn't a twisting movement still be allowed it it is only bolted at the back. Not understanding. (Not a judgement of your work, this will make this very useful and looks better already!)

[bogieboy]

You are 100% correct. Two bolts at the back, and a very firm grip on the rubber pucks. That is all that suzuki used from the factory, so I figure its good enough for me....lol I can pick the whole front of the bike up off the groundby grabbing the front of the tank. ... it isn't going anuwhere...

[BlackBike]

So where do those "pucks" come from, is this something you just figured up? Or is this also a suzuki part?

I was unaware how suzuki does it.

The tank/seat business like you say is no big deal and probably can be amended easy enough.

[bogieboy]

the pucks are factory suzuki. maybe you can see the way the tank has indents/grabbers for the pucks in this pic? not the easiest to get st with the xamera...LOL. the dr frame would butt right up to the pucks and have studs for the pucks to sit on, instead of my threaded rod...

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu346/bogieboy01/20170123_190305_zpsouljmhze.jpg (http://s662.photobucket.com/user/bogieboy01/media/20170123_190305_zpsouljmhze.jpg.html)

[BlackBike]

See, this is what you didn't show before. This is why I couldn't understand how it was secured before. Now I see. You have accomplished the same as suzuki. Thanks :clap:

[bogieboy]

no problem! glad the pic helps! thinking back, I don't think I ever showed the underside of the tank.... also, I. order to do this mod you may or may not have noticed that the two rear threaded spots that secured the original tank shroud, along with the squareish strap steel that the back of the original tank t/ mounted on have been removed... otherwise they would hit the back of the tank and raise it too high and interfere with the seat position.

[GeneralTso]

Great project, I too have been looking for increased fluid capacity! Hate planning rides around where the gas station is.

[bogieboy]

yeah... the whole reason I did it was because I was getting sick of having to stop for gas on my way to AND from work...LOL 35 mi commute one way, and only 2 gas stations the whole way, found out the hard way that if I didn't fill up on the way, I would be pushing about a mile on the way home...

[BlackBike]

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How long did you make that thread rod? How did you secure the nut ends to the pucks? (Glue?)

I bought Emerikol DR tank so I will be following your plan.

[bogieboy]

if i recall correctly the threaded rod is roughly 3 3/4 inches long. i just kinda eyeballed it a 1/4 inch shorter than the tank tunnel is wide. the nuts i used (18mm flange nuts on an m12 rod...welll...bolt with the head cut off...free hardware leftovers from work...LOL) were large enough that the pucks slip fit right on the nuts, as they are somewhat soft rubber, and conformed over the nut's shape.

[bogieboy]

Update to this thread... found a free (just pay shipping) dr650 seat, got it today and if you have the dr tank conversion like i did if you move the bolt on seat mounts to the rear stud, it will bolt right up after pinching the dr seat flanges a bit closer together...


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