For Weld and our other Canadian Friends;-)

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http://rideapart.com/2013/12/8-ways-motorcyclist-canada-different/

I thought the Canadians were different...

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A video of a Crazy Canadian. Insane but a talented rider.

299 KPH on a highway in Victoria, BC.

Genius was caught via the video he posted on You Tube.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/19/vancouver-island-motorcycle-speeding_n_1438575.html

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"The woman has been given tickets for speeding, driving without due care, excessive speeding, and driving without insurance — all of which could result in fines totalling almost $1,500."

I'm in love. I want to meet her!

Where the heck is Esquimalt?

[Weldangrind]

It's on Vancouver Island, not terribly far from Victoria. It wasn't the woman who was riding the bike, but her son. He had a long history of riding without a licence or insurance, speeding, etc. They're hanging it on his Mom, because they can't prove he was riding at the time.

[SpudRider]

It appears the police can't positively identify the motorcycle, nor prove the young man was riding it, yet they are ready to levy $1,500 worth of fines on his mother. :wtf: That sounds like a 'kangaroo court' to me.

[Weldangrind]

The article I read indicates that they can identify he bike because of scratches, etc. Also, they are within the law to cite the registered owner in cases where the actual operator can't be identified.

Another example is photo radar or red light cameras. If there is an offence caught on video, the fine goes directly to the registered owner. No demerit points are issued in this situation.

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So just a fine? No insurance premium increase? Not that she had insurance anyway...

It seems that the 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' standard was not applied here, although it may be different in Canada. To be fair our justice system here is also in shambles and I doubt that principle is frequently applied.

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In general, it's a bad idea to post You Tube videos of the poster breaking the law...

[SpudRider]

The article I read indicates that they can identify he bike because of scratches, etc. Also, they are within the law to cite the registered owner in cases where the actual operator can't be identified.

Another example is photo radar or red light cameras. If there is an offence caught on video, the fine goes directly to the registered owner. No demerit points are issued in this situation.

I'm not trying to be flippant, Weld. But I find it difficult to believe they can positively identify that motorcycle from scratches they observed on a video. ;)

[Weldangrind]

So just a fine? No insurance premium increase? Not that she had insurance anyway...

It seems that the 'innocent until PROVEN guilty' standard was not applied here, although it may be different in Canada. To be fair our justice system here is also in shambles and I doubt that principle is frequently applied.

Since I've never had a red light camera ticket or photo radar ticket, so I don't know if the insurance premiums would increase. My guess is no.

If they can conclusively determine that the bike in the video belongs to a specific individual, I believe they can legally proceed with fines. They certainly cannot prove who the operator was, so there would be no demerit points.

They're not officially saying that the owner is guilty. They're saying that the owner is responsible for fines, since the bike was caught on video and the operator can't be identified.

[Weldangrind]

I'm not trying to be flippant, Weld. But I find it difficult to believe they can positively identify that motorcycle from scratches they observed on a video. ;)

I get what you're saying. I accept that the police did everything they could to positively identify the bike, and then they proceeded prudently. The video is quite clear at some points, and the marks on the upper triple could seal the deal.

Since nobody in this situation can do time, it's not really a kangaroo court. What has been established is that the registered owner of a bike can be identified, and the owner is responsible for the machine, despite lending it out. What is also important to bear in mind is that the police received a tip from the public.

Again, no demerit points will apply (AFAIK), so it's fines only.

The registered owner is well within her rights to fight the matter in court, but she doesn't have much of a case. Her foolish son recorded himself on video, and he's not likely to get any sympathy from the judge. I suspect that the mother is not likely to implicate her son, so she'll be faced with fines. The son has a history of more than 24 tickets for speeding and not having a valid driver's licence.

I hope she takes it out on his hide.