atv identification please

[burge]

200cc (196) water cooled push valve ',seems to have had rear axle reverse

[burge]

Have a buzz 50 , 110 cc atomic reactor ( for the kids) and my wife has just bought me this and I,m having problems finding what it is so as I can describe it to others

[humanbeing]

http://www.crappie.com/crappie/attachments/georgia/87838d1334008562-lake-harding-this_thread_is_worthless_without_pictures-jpg

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OK will try to work out how to upload pics

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[humanbeing]

Water cool CG200 from BiG 3
Lifan: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36366772153
Loncin: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36307354453
Zongshen: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=36356846578

[midlifekrisiz]

heh heh love the front grill

[burge]

Are they any good and how old ?

[burge]

Are they any good and how old ?

[burge]

You seem to be a valuable asset to this forum from some of the replies and
Knowledge you have put forward

[Weldangrind]

heh heh love the front grill

Me too! It looks like a Goalie mask.

[Weldangrind]

You seem to be a valuable asset to this forum from some of the replies and
Knowledge you have put forward

Happy to help however I can. Your motor is indeed a pushrod, and parts are plentiful on www.taobao.com (http://www.taobao.com), just as HB has pointed to.

If you have engine building experience and want to go nuts, you can poke it out to about 270cc with Taobao stuff.

[Weldangrind]

I can't really make out the rear axle on my laptop monitor. Can you show us a pic with some more light on it?

[burge]

I,all move wife's car and try for more pics , the links HB sent where in Chinese ,I,m a fitter and machinist so I like playing and building stuff

[burge]

Sorry weld having problems loading my new pics ,wife and I been trying for 2 hours

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[midlifekrisiz]

looks like you are missing the lever and cable to shift to reverse at the back on the axle there.

[midlifekrisiz]

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ok i am soooo confused now....has the same rear end reverse axle as my wifes 150 yet it is a standard atv from what i see as it has the clutch lever o_0

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for the pics, Burge; I can see them now.

That rear axle is indeed a reversing device. It is flipped over, compared to the configuration in my wife's 150, but it is the same. You can read about it here: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=5989

[Weldangrind]

ok i am soooo confused now....has the same rear end reverse axle as my wifes 150 yet it is a standard atv from what i see as it has the clutch lever o_0

Burge's quad likely doesn't have reverse in the gearbox like yours does. That's a bonus, because it means he'd have five forward gears instead of four. He'd have the same top gear ratio in fifth that you have in fourth, but he'd get outta the hole faster.

[burge]

Good morning guys yes mine does have 5 forward gears , thanks for link weld ,will have a look as when I move shaft on rear axle ( vice grips ) seems to be no attempt or noise of any engagement inside , when you say it is the reverse to your wife's do you mean 180 degrees left to right or 180 degrees up and down (so selector to the bottom) cheers guys have spent a lot of time working on this since wife bought it ,but goes brilliant ( now) did an align yesterday ( myself)taking kids out after school today so hope have got rid of bump steer

[burge]

Just pulled top off axle gearbox to find dog installed on wrong side of selector ,so I can now select reverse but unfortunately has no selector arm , cable or lever and going riding in half hour , so will have to wait 4 weeks to sort out as I am 4/2 fifo and go back in 48 hrs

[Weldangrind]

If you wanted to take on a project, you probably could change the rear axle to a regular disc brake rear and get rid of the reverse device.

If reverse is really important to you, you could always swap first gear for reverse, although that's a big job. Much easier to simply swap the entire engine.

[burge]

I have no problem with my current disc rear weld , and my reverse isn't a major deal but its there so I,all try to get it usable

[burge]

Went for ride , 200 went great 110 and 50 both died , so ended up with both girls riding mine whilst I tried to fix there's

[FLASHLIGHTBOY]

yes you could set up a cable to push the lever back into reverse.. the setup could be bought or if you have too much time on your hands... make one up... I would think you could still buy all the parts..... from the taboo site.. you need the hand lever... the cable... and the lever to go onto the gear box.. put it into 1st and then reverse and you could have 5 speeds in reverse.. ..

[midlifekrisiz]

yes you could set up a cable to push the lever back into reverse.. the setup could be bought or if you have too much time on your hands... make one up... I would think you could still buy all the parts..... from the taboo site.. you need the hand lever... the cable... and the lever to go onto the gear box.. put it into 1st and then reverse and you could have 5 speeds in reverse.. ..

yes all the parts are out there .....i just bought the cable for the 150 we have off of e-bay

[burge]

G,day guys ,I think I will build my own set up as I don't like the double clutch lever style , I reckon I,ll make a more solid unit using mower height adjuster and gear lever or kick starter (to fit rear spline) or maybe a simple solenoid that can only be activated when clutch is engaged

[Weldangrind]

I look forward to seeing your engineering solutions.

[burge]

Unfortunately bike will have to wait 4 weeks whilst I fly back out to work , but at least it will give me a chance to decide what I am going to do

[Weldangrind]

Burge, for interest sake, this is a pic of the rear axle of my Gio 150 GY6 quad. You can see how it is spun around compared to yours.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t109/Weldangrind/Monster%20150%20Quad/DSC06700_zps9d3559f8.jpg (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/Weldangrind/media/Monster%20150%20Quad/DSC06700_zps9d3559f8.jpg.html)

[Weldangrind]

when you say it is the reverse to your wife's do you mean 180 degrees left to right or 180 degrees up and down (so selector to the bottom)

I should have said that your rear axle is spun around compared to mine. Definitely 180 degrees left to right.

[Weldangrind]

did an align yesterday ( myself)taking kids out after school today so hope have got rid of bump steer

This might help: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14105

[burge]

Cheers weld yours is identical 'I plan on setting up my reverse when back at home for 2 weeks will have to fix buzz 1st though

[Weldangrind]

You'll be fascinated when you see the reverse device in action. It doesn't compute when you realize that the chain is still going forward while the wheels turn backwards. :D

[FLASHLIGHTBOY]

I do not think you can turn it around 180 degrees... left to the right side.. as your brakes and gear will be on the wrong side for your chain.. and the rear calipher won't work that way.. I would just leave it and add the cable to reverse it... you could even use a pull choke cable to work it... just pull it and hold it out for reverse.. I think I am right on the reverse set up not working... ???

[Weldangrind]

He doesn't intend to turn it around, only to make it work. We had another member on this forum a few years ago with the same setup on a 200 / 250cc vertical motor quad.

Yes, it works in both directions.

[burge]

I have a few ideas for it when I get home but any other suggestions always welcome 'cheers

[FLASHLIGHTBOY]

sorry I thought you meant 180 left to right... not that you meant all the parts where on th e other side... read it wrong..

[burge]

Thanks anyway for your input flash , I,m thinking about maybe buying the rear lever then setting up my own system from there

[Weldangrind]

A ratcheting lever is ideal, like the parking brake from a small car.

[burge]

Good idea weld , I was thinking of a push mower height adjuster as well because of there positive locking positions I could remove some of the positions so I,d know I was in the right one for positive engagement

[Weldangrind]

In fact, I'm certain that a small car emergency brake lever was adapted and used on our Gio 150. It looks a little crude, but it's very effective.

[Weldangrind]

After re-reading your last post, I thought I should include that you simply pull the lever all the way back for reverse, and push it all the way up for forward. There is no detent for reverse or forward, like in a car.

I think the spring on the lever at the rear axle takes up any additional stress.

[burge]

When I pulled the top off and found the lever was on the wrong side of the dog I also noticed the forward gear was on a detent spring to keep it engaged , so does the spring in your picture also help to pull the cable and gear back into the forward position?

[Weldangrind]

Now that you mention it, I think it does, since there is little tension on the cable as it is returned to the forward position. I haven't dismantled it in years.

[burge]

Was also thinking today about maybe modifying a t/bar auto lever , as it already has the interlocking notches

[Weldangrind]

Not sure what you mean by that.

It's important to point out that the reverse mechanism behaves just like an emergency brake. You simply pull the lever until you feel good resistance; you're not pulling the lever to a specific point. There is no need or benefit to detent notches.

[FLASHLIGHTBOY]

the lever that you say is what they used.. just like a parking brake lever in between your car seats..

[FLASHLIGHTBOY]

the lever that you say is what they used.. just like a parking brake lever in between your car seats.. this is a 150 that I had and it had the reverse setup with the lever

[burge]

Cheers flash