I can't find the right button for the solenoid starter, help please :)

[Riley W]

Im trying to setup my starter and I only need a button that will work for this solenoid starter http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221845693524?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover %252F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Ftype%253D3%2526campId%253D5337206617%2 526toolId%253D10001%2526customId%253Dilmtd9mudq009 jcy00004%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww .ebay.com%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F221845693524% 25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%252526ul_re f%25253Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Frover .ebay.com%252525252Frover%252525252F1%252525252F71 1-117182-37290-0%252525252F2%252525253Fmtid%252525253D1588%252525 2526kwid%252525253D1%2525252526crlp%252525253D5360 1919689_324272%2525252526itemid%252525253D22184569 3524%2525252526targetid%252525253D154774707369%252 5252526rpc%252525253D0.11%2525252526rpc_upld_id%25 2525253D65060%2525252526device%252525253Dm%2525252 526mpre%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F%2 5252525252Fwww.ebay.com%25252525252Fulk%2525252525 2Fitm%25252525252Flike%25252525252F221845693524%25 252525253Flpid%25252525253D82%252525252526chn%2525 2525253Dps%2525252526adtype%252525253Dpla%25252525 26googleloc%252525253D1013962%2525252526poi%252525 253D%2525252526campaignid%252525253D239125209%2525 252526adgroupid%252525253D14978428809%2525252526rl satarget%252525253Dpla-154774707369%2525252526gclid%252525253DCjwKEAiA04S 3BRCYteOr6b-roSUSJABE1-6B1mfZsyhHfKKA2gmEL0Qc7K_na9c0-djUBqCpK7SrsBoCQpHw_wcB%2525252526srcrot%252525253 D711-117182-37290-0%2525252526rvr_id%252525253D995305000649%252526ul _noapp%25253Dtrue%2526srcrot%253D711-53200-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D995364322818&lpid=82 can you help me find one online? I've tried looking and I don't know how too find it

[Mudflap]

Any momentary switch will work but I use one like this which incorporates a kill switch.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161104226636?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Riley W]

How would I wire it together, the red/yellow is in a plug and i have wires with the ends like the green and black wires. Thanks

[humanbeing]

Don't trust ANY color code (maybe for other brand/ low paid worker in BAD mood ...) in non genuine parts . Use multimeter find out which is which 1st.
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http://postimg.cc/image/lihbs3x5p/
Principle (It's in Suzuki color code... Genral color coding of Japanese bike http://fanyi.baidu.com/transpage?query=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorfans.com.cn% 2Fbbs%2Ft_648132.htm&source=url&ie=utf8&from=zh&to=en&render=1) of E start system

[Riley W]

Could you recommend a button that would work? Thanks

[Bruce's]

Any switch will work ,a momentary contact is what you need ,just find one that suits your mounting set up ( handlebars or bodywork ) .

[Mudflap]

Get on eBay and search for pit bike start button and you'll see lots of options. The simplest ones have just 2 wires like this one, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Start-Button-Switch-For-Stomp-Thumpstar-YCF-SSR-CRF-Pit-Dirt-Bike-Quad-/262328089418?hash=item3d13f8fb4a:g:Yv8AAOSwuAVWxmz Z&vxp=mtr

Different bikes use different wiring methods for the switch and solenoid, either breaking/completing the circuit in the battery + side or the ground side, the ground side being the most common.

[pete]

How would I wire it together, the red/yellow is in a plug and i have wires with the ends like the green and black wires. Thanks

the starter button wiring can be quite complex as you have to run AC current though it
can't run DC from the battrey as it will burn out quicker than you can blink..
the AC current is picked up from the rectifier... AC current & DC current can NOT
come in contact with each other so a Diode has to be in the system....

So make sure you get the correct wires....




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[Adjuster]

Its time to post some pictures of your bike so we can see what you're working with. Do you need a new switch because your original switch went bad? If so a new exact matching switch should be easy enough to find and it will likely have matching wire colors and plug ends. It does not appear you have much experience with this type of stuff but we can help you learn if you provide us with some more information. Maker/name/pictures of the bike and what exactly you are trying to get done to it.


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[Riley W]

Here are pictures of mostly everything, I actually am building a shifter kart so things might not be perfect. I can give more pictures of anything on the kart, just tell me what to take a picture of and ill do it.

[Riley W]

Here are more pictures

[Riley W]

Heres a picture of the kart, sorry if its sideways. OH and I forgot to tell you guys that I bought a lifan 200cc 5 spd engine of ebay, heres the link to the exact engine I bought http://www.ebay.com/itm/LIFAN-200CC-5-SPEED-ENGINE-MOTOR-CDI-MOTORCYCLE-DIRT-BIKE-ATV-GOKART-H-EN25-SET/181086447491?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D35851%26meid%3D4fe395ac66654356ad4577ac5ccb f24f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D3603 71383554

[Bruce's]

Since it's a cart ,you can mount it in the bodywork ,so just go to an automotive store and buy a universal push button starter switch ,or if you prefer ,a universal keyed ignition switch .

[Riley W]

I already bought a ignition switch but i don't think i wired it correctly. I bought the switch and mindlessly plugged it into a plug from my harness that fit perfectly, so i assumed that it was hooked up properly, each wire matched colors also. Heres the switch i bought http://www.amazon.com/GOOFIT-Wires-Ignition-110cc-125cc/dp/B00U3NB7Q0/ref=sr_1_3?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1457831989&sr=1-3&keywords=ignition+switch+key+go+fit+200cc Do you think i should somehow connect the switch i bought to my starter solenoid instead of the plug that fit it perfectly?

[Bruce's]

Yes ,post #4 above clearly states don't trust the wiring on these switches and parts ,get a meter or a test light and figure out what is going on .If you built the cart ,theiring should of been easy .

[Bruce's]

Ok ,I looked into the switch you purchased and it says it's only an on off switch ,it doesn't have a starter position .

[Adjuster]

Very cool project. You have way more wires and plugs then you could possibly ever need. Am I correct no headlight, brake light, tail light, turn signals, horn etc etc? You have a wiring harness for a full bike or atv etc. It would be much easier and less confusing for you to build your own wire harness. Stator, cdi, regulator, starter is basically all you need. Heck you don't even need the regulator with no lights. Maybe 7 wires at the most. Stator and cdi is plug and play all colors should match and plugs should match. Cdi to coil. Power to the starter and it should run. Did I leave anything out? Or eliminate even more wires and go kick start only no electric starter.


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[Adjuster]

I see that engine came with everything you need. Plug everything in and touch the two starter wires together and that engine should run. You are going to have extra plugs in the harness for lights and other accessories that will not be used.



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[Riley W]

I dont know what meters or test lights are/do. this is my first build and im 15, sorry for my lack of knowledge:shrug:

[humanbeing]

http://www.dansmc.com/electricaltesting.htm
AC-CDI
http://www.sanxin.com.cn/exhibit/uploadImages/20051278521841627.jpg
DC-CDI
http://www.sanxin.com.cn/exhibit/uploadImages/200513111305739717.jpg
E start system ~18:00
http://youtu.be/AHV4FVai2Ys

[Riley W]

i understand that diagram, and how the solenoid, button, and battery works together. I just cant find a way to connect the solenoid's 2 wires to the push button, mainly because i dont have the push button, and if i did, i dont know how i would connect a plug into the wires that i have. its a simple problem, but i dont know how to fix it. I also have this ignition switch, and im wondering if i could somehow attach it to my starter solenoid and it could be my start button.

[humanbeing]

http://s15.postimg.cc/hfs6lvvt3/Imagee3.jpg (http://postimg.cc/image/hfs6lvvt3/)
http://postimg.cc/image/hfs6lvvt3/

[Riley W]

thank you guys so much, i tried touching the two wires together and the starter motor start turning over, although a green wire started smoking and got burnt, even when it was touching the frame. I didnt bolt it down but i dont know if that would help. Also, i would really like a starter button instead of touching the wires everytime, could you guys send me a link that would connect to this solenoid? thank you guys.

You can see the green wire that got damaged in one of the pictures i posted.

[Bruce's]

Any momentary contact switch will work .Do you have an electrical or electronics supplier local to you ?radio shack perhaps ?they would have what you need .Also ,any automotive parts supplier would either have in stock or be able to order a universal starter switch for you .Just wire it up between the two wires you have been jumping to get the thing running and you should be good to go .It is also completely possible to install just a reguler toggle switch or switch of your choosing ,as long as you understand you have to turn it off and leave it off when you get your buggy running you will be fine .I have seen a guy that started his van with a normal wall switch like you have in your house .He ran that for 10 years or more with no issues .

[BlackBike]

Any momentary contact switch will work .Do you have an electrical or electronics supplier local to you ?radio shack perhaps ?they would have what you need .Also ,any automotive parts supplier would either have in stock or be able to order a universal starter switch for you .Just wire it up between the two wires you have been jumping to get the thing running and you should be good to go .It is also completely possible to install just a reguler toggle switch or switch of your choosing ,as long as you understand you have to turn it off and leave it off when you get your buggy running you will be fine .I have seen a guy that started his van with a normal wall switch like you have in your house .He ran that for 10 years or more with no issues .

Light switch to the solenoid , :lmao: hillbilly stuff :lmao:

Someone find this fellow a switch with momentary start with key.

Please pay attention to the details and don't get killed on this thing.

[Riley W]

yea i would prefer a link to a key start, but in the meantime ill use bruces method, thanks. I do have a anawalt lumber and hardware store, would they have it? and should i ask for any momentary switch? or a light switch kinda thing. for a more permanent solution, would this be what would work http://loadstarparts.com/Starter_Ignition_Switch_Universal/p17743?gclid=Cj0KEQjwwpm3BRDuh5awn4qJpLwBEiQAATTAQ c0w4kFlkWJLCiWbgOTKKfUwEVh5I1u_pMWJ5Csl31UaAv2z8P8 HAQ

[Riley W]

wait, so i wouldn't even have a starter solenoid? i would just a have switch connecting the starter motor wire and the positive battery lead wire? in my case the black and red wires.

[Riley W]

and i already bought a ignition switch but i dont see a way to connect it to my setup, is it totally useless? i bought this http://www.amazon.com/GOOFIT-Wires-Ignition-110cc-125cc/dp/B00U3NB7Q0/ref=sr_1_sc_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1457988268&sr=1-2-spell&keywords=gofit+ignition+switch

[Bruce's]

Cole Hersey M485 will work perfectly for you .Try an auto parts store .

[Riley W]

:thanks::thanks::thanks::thanks:thank you so much! Now i can get to the fun parts of the build, fuel pump setup, back axle, throttle, clutch and shifter. I might need help with those aswell, but it will at least be easy fixes:tup:

[humanbeing]

wait, so i wouldn't even have a starter solenoid? i would just a have switch connecting the starter motor wire and the positive battery ...
Needs a starter solenoid (Relay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relay aka "magnetic s/w" by some guys ) cuz most s/w can't handle that HUGE current...
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/156901/switch-current-rating-ac-vs-dc

[Riley W]

Should I get a different relay? Because it seems impossible to find the right switch for this particular relay http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221845693524?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&rmvSB=true&rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover %252F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Ftype%253D3%2526campId%253D5337209288%2 526toolId%253D10001%2526customId%253Dilsnt78chx00j 7ij00004%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww .ebay.com%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F221845693524% 25253Ful_noapp%25253Dtrue%252526chn%25253Dps%25252 6rmvSB%25253Dtrue%252526ul_ref%25253Dhttp%25252525 3A%252525252F%252525252Frover.ebay.com%252525252Fr over%252525252F1%252525252F711-53200-19255-0%252525252F1%252525253Ftype%252525253D3%252525252 6campId%252525253D5337206617%2525252526toolId%2525 25253D10001%2525252526customId%252525253Dilmtd9mud q009jcy00004%2525252526mpre%252525253Dhttp%2525252 5253A%25252525252F%25252525252Fwww.ebay.com%252525 25252Fitm%25252525252Flike%25252525252F22184569352 4%25252525253Flpid%25252525253D82%252525252526chn% 25252525253Dps%252525252526ul_ref%25252525253Dhttp %252525252525253A%252525252525252F%252525252525252 Frover.ebay.com%252525252525252Frover%252525252525 252F1%252525252525252F711-117182-37290-0%252525252525252F2%252525252525253Fmtid%252525252 525253D1588%2525252525252526kwid%252525252525253D1 %2525252525252526crlp%252525252525253D53601919689_ 324272%2525252525252526itemid%252525252525253D2218 45693524%2525252525252526targetid%252525252525253D 154774707369%2525252525252526rpc%252525252525253D0 .11%2525252525252526rpc_upld_id%252525252525253D65 060%2525252525252526device%252525252525253Dm%25252 52525252526mpre%252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252 5253A%25252525252525252F%25252525252525252Fwww.eba y.com%25252525252525252Fulk%25252525252525252Fitm% 25252525252525252Flike%25252525252525252F221845693 524%25252525252525253Flpid%25252525252525253D82%25 2525252525252526chn%25252525252525253Dps%252525252 5252526adtype%252525252525253Dpla%2525252525252526 googleloc%252525252525253D1013962%2525252525252526 poi%252525252525253D%2525252525252526campaignid%25 2525252525253D239125209%2525252525252526adgroupid% 252525252525253D14978428809%2525252525252526rlsata rget%252525252525253Dpla-154774707369%2525252525252526gclid%252525252525253 DCjwKEAiA04S3BRCYteOr6b-roSUSJABE1-6B1mfZsyhHfKKA2gmEL0Qc7K_na9c0-djUBqCpK7SrsBoCQpHw_wcB%2525252525252526srcrot%252 525252525253D711-117182-37290-0%2525252525252526rvr_id%252525252525253D995305000 649%252525252526ul_noapp%25252525253Dtrue%25252525 26srcrot%252525253D711-53200-19255-0%2525252526rvr_id%252525253D995364322818%252526lp id%25253D82%2526srcrot%253D711-53200-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D997566035966&lpid=82<-- This is the relay that i have. I could replace it with another relay just give me a link, thanks

[humanbeing]

Everything is possible http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=7142

[Riley W]

i cant click on the link on that thread, it says 404 not found. Could you link me a toggle/push button that will fit these wires.

[Bruce's]

Seriously ? Just cut the terminals off and replace them with the ones you want .

[Riley W]

I researched a bunch and I understand, my plan is to cut the old terminals off and crimp new ones on that will fit this switch http://www.parts-express.com/momentary-nc-classic-small-push-button-switch-black--060-634?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pla does this all sound good?

[Riley W]

Or could I just not even use a starter solenoid and buy a switch that could handle the amps that the positive battery lead and starter wire produce?

[Bruce's]

Monarch hydraulics #03416. Is the switch I have .Its used for a hydraulic tailgate on the back of a 5 ton truck so a truck shop should be able to find you one .No relay required and very simple wiring .

[Riley W]

thanks so much:thanks: I think i'm finally done with the wiring:clap: I do have a question about starting the engine, i did buy a pulse fuel pump but i don't know how to get it running for the first time, since the pulse pump relies on the engine to create pulses and then pumps the fuel. maybe i use a gravity fed system and then convert it? would the starter motor create a pulse to get the fuel pumping?:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

[Bruce's]

The pulse pump will usually prime the engine with the starter .Its sometimes easier to just squirt some fuel into the intake and prime it that way .

[Riley W]

So i got the fuel pump mounted on the seat and i tried to start it for the first time by touching the positive wire and starter wire, and for like 5 minutes the fuel was cycling through the fuel pump system till i heard some promising bangs. I kept at it till it finally started and this was my first real engine build (predator 212 doesn't really count) so i couldn't tell if anything went wrong, although i couldn't rev it, and i didn't see the carburetor slide move at all so i felt like something could be very wrong. Sometimes the engine died because it looked like it wasn't getting sufficient fuel but all i had too do was start it again and it ran fine. I feel like theirs something wrong. I took a video of it all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZzbUjRdqlE

[Riley W]

so i fixed most of the issues with the kart:yay::yay::yay: and this was the result https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDO7ej1M1z0 Thanks everyone!:thanks:

[SpudRider]

Good work. :tup:

[Bruce's]

Looking at your shirt ,it must of felt like Christmas for you .

[Adjuster]

Very nice Riley you are really learning. Always fun. Get your air cleaner and exhaust installed and it will run totally different. Air in and air out it is a balance. Make sure you know which way your choke lever operates for open and close. Good work buddy. It actually sounds pretty good.


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[Riley W]

So I did get the kart running but I forgot about the ignition switch that I bought, I don't really know what to do with it because I connected it to a colors-matching plug and forgot about it. When I turn the key it doesn't do anything (which I expected since I have no computers or anything hooked up) but I just installed a trail tech vapor and I want to be able to turn the key and make the led on the vapor's screen light up. How do I do that?

[Riley W]

I did order a air filter, but I didn't know I had to do more with the exhaust, do you mean weld a muffler on (because I have one to weld) I don't really want it quieter, do I have too?

[Adjuster]

Yes an exhaust causes restriction. You need the correct amount of air going in and the correct amount of air going out so to speak. No need to weld, there are many bolt on exhausts available. You just need to get one for your correct engine size.


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[Riley W]

I already have an exhaust header on

[pete]

wait, so i wouldn't even have a starter solenoid? i would just a have switch connecting the starter motor wire and the positive battery lead wire? in my case the black and red wires.


being a kart... you could do it that way...
you will be surprised how meany amps that
little starter motor will draw...

need a big ass non latching button switch to
carry the amps.... and heavy wires...very heavy..




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[Riley W]

I'm going to call the place where I ordered the engine and try to get a different wiring harness because I looked at their website and they sent me so many different colored wires and terminals compared to the pictures on their website, kinda pissed since I put so much work into it and I am not experienced enough to tell this was the wrong harness. This does mean I'll just use a relay and not risk problems with amps and stuff