Oil Change 250cc Hawk

[Sacrifice195]

Hey, i dont got the the 250cc hawk enduro yet, but when i do, this person said to change the oil when i get it because there is garbage in the oil....when i get this bike, will i have to change the oil the second i get it assembled? and if so, what is the best oil i should use for the bike after the motor is broke in and even before the motor is broke in...Thank you :thanks:

[pcspecialist]

Yes, change it immediately. Here's what a whole lot of us use because it has the JASO DH-2, MA rating.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/14958327

Btw, you wouldn't have had to look very far to find your answer, it is on the first page even:
http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=17293

[Sacrifice195]

yea i saw that, but i wasnt fully understanding it, the guy i watched on youtube said the stock oil is 15W-40 but about the oil that was already put into it, i wanted to be sure, thank you

[hertz9753]

I'm using Valvoline 15W 40 because I had gallon in my shop after I sold the pickup it was used for.

[BlackBike]

Remember, these bikes are super easy. it's 1 qt and 1 minute and your done essentially. Do it often and it will run forever.

Pc spec...:tup:

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Hey, i dont got the the 250cc hawk enduro yet, but when i do, this person said to change the oil when i get it because there is garbage in the oil....when i get this bike, will i have to change the oil the second i get it assembled? and if so, what is the best oil i should use for the bike after the motor is broke in and even before the motor is broke in...Thank you :thanks:
It isn't really that the Chinese oil has garbage in it, it's that they haven't caught up with the rest of the world on petro-chemicals yet. The brake fluid isn't all that good either. I would use Shell Rotella 15W-40 non synthetic for the first 500 miles (850 km), then switch to Rotella T-6 full synthetic oil after the first 500 miles. I say Rotella because it is easy to get (Wal-Mart and truckstops)

[Sacrifice195]

ok ty guys, im hopefully getting one this january or febuary, i could of gotten it last year but i wanted a yz250f but i couldnt get that and ended up getting a ttr225 because my uncle saw it and my dad wanted to go look at it so i had no choice, but the ttr225 isnt a good bike at all, dies on me all the time, most unreliable bike ever, never will i get another yamaha again, im sticking with apollo, hawk, and kawasaki, honda, or suzuki

[Ariel Red Hunter]

ok ty guys, im hopefully getting one this january or febuary, i could of gotten it last year but i wanted a yz250f but i couldnt get that and ended up getting a ttr225 because my uncle saw it and my dad wanted to go look at it so i had no choice, but the ttr225 isnt a good bike at all, dies on me all the time, most unreliable bike ever, never will i get another yamaha again, im sticking with apollo, hawk, and kawasaki, honda, or suzuki
Wow, a Yamaha is a good motorcycle. If you can't figure out how to get it to run reliably, maybe the Hawk isn't for you. Most people who have a Hawk do quite a bit of wrenching on them to get them just right.

[CSR_Sprocket]

I recommend installing a magnetic oil drain kit immediately after draining the factory fish oil out of the engine case. The magnets will catch most of the metal shavings created by the initial break in of the engine and transmission parts. The metal is a normal byproduct of the break in of all engines. Because these CG clones don't have a paper filter, I think that the magnets are the next best thing.

My Hawk is sporting a Primo brand magnetic oil drain kit (bought on eBay for $20). It includes a magnetic drain bolt, a doughnut magnet for the oil screen, and another (smaller) magnetic drain bolt for a scooter final drive on a scooter. I'm using the final drive bolt to pin my grocery list to my refrigerator 0-:

[humanbeing]

...it's that they haven't caught up with the rest of the world on petro-chemicals yet. The brake fluid isn't all that good either...
$$$ talks. You can't get decent quality from bargain product...
The giant's product http://buysinopec.com/ isn't that bad & can find in US
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Almost EVERYbody knows those shipping oil are NOT motor oil... Brake fluid are hygroscopic... NON-fresh (via BIG barrel) lowest grade filled at factory + LONG journey by sea = SHiT...

[pcspecialist]

My Hawk is sporting a Primo brand magnetic oil drain kit (bought on eBay for $20).

Part number?

[CSR_Sprocket]

Part number?

1300-1007
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scooter-GY6-150cc-High-Quality-Prima-Magnetic-Oil-Drain-Kit-Genuine-Kymco-/182151003779?hash=item2a690bbe83:g:ZkEAAOSwBPNXShd y&vxp=mtr

[Sacrifice195]

i can get the hawk to run right, MotoCheez is a youtuber and he hasnt had any issues with the hawk, yamaha isnt good in my opinion, if my yamaha requires to be pulled off all the time to be started, breaks down all the time, overheat, and chooses to break down alot on me when im going down the road then i dont need to own another, my sister's chinese dirtbike which is a baja 80cc dirtbike starts first kick cold without the choke and and first kick throughout the day, no issues at all, her tao tao has no issues at all, starts up no problem and runs great....yet, 2 chinese brands beat yamaha, my friends yamaha blew up the other day when he was cruising down the road, doesnt that tell you something about yamaha? blows up, doesnt run good, their junk, i should of gotten the crf230r, the yamaha leaks oil out through the forkshift where the shifter connects onto, it needs a stator but either way, no since in putting $80-$300 into a piece of junk that wont run much longer because im either going to blow the motor up or break it, that shows how sick yamaha makes me, like i said, kawasaki currently is my #1, then suzuki, then honda, other than that, forget yamaha.....also my kazuma 150cc atv is chinese, havent had to replace anything on it other than a carburetor due to the last owner letting it sit up,i did let it sit up, and i choked it with my hand turned it over for a second then gave it full throttle and it started right up, always start up, sometimes i dont even have to choke it, and that thing has went through abuse, more abuse than the yamaha and is still holding up, sadly my sister and her friend ripped the gears out and it doesnt want to go, but that doesnt mean i dont want to trash it cause it was the most reliable thing i have ever owned

[Sacrifice195]

humanbeing, we used the oil that was in my sisters tao tao that came inside the motor to break the motor in and it worked great, motor broke in, put the oil that was meant for it inside the motor which is 20w something

[humanbeing]

...forget yamaha
Blue vehicle don't suits everybody according to old nonsense http://chinariders.net/showpost.php?p=206384&postcount=33
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Back to the reality... ANY air-cooled thumper is quite easy to maintain mechanically BUT electric ISN'T...
SpudRider did wrote Zong stator & CDI (Chinese made Yamaha SR150 parts may also jammed in if someone is brave enough) saved buddy's Yamaha TTR...
... that came inside the motor to break the motor in and it worked great, motor broke in...
Don't use if in doubt (milky / doesn't smell like oil should...)
Typical Chinese practice:
1. Run straight w/ that shit for about 1/2 hour (or 30km) in chonda (When Honda designs it, we don't have good oil http://www.pqiamerica.com/tlin456.gif as today. No worries for such short time...) .
2. Drains it (had some metal shavings...)
3. Pour proper stuff in...

[Azhule]

yet, 2 chinese brands beat yamaha, my friends yamaha blew up the other day when he was cruising down the road, doesnt that tell you something about yamaha? blows up, doesnt run good, their junk

Wow, I must be lucky with the Yamaha(s) I have owned then?!?

I'm still on all original engine parts on a 1994 Yamaha 100cc 2 stroke... have several thousand hours of abuse on that bike and it still starts first kick (no choke) and will ride wheelies up and down mountains all day and night long without over heating or blowing up...

I really think you and your friend "got some lemons" instead of a Yami... or maybe just received one that was never properly assembled/tuned causing problems over the Yamaha's life... ? lots of factors come to play when vehicles "give up the ghost"

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Wow, I must be lucky with the Yamaha(s) I have owned then?!?

I'm still on all original engine parts on a 1994 Yamaha 100cc 2 stroke... have several thousand hours of abuse on that bike and it still starts first kick (no choke) and will ride wheelies up and down mountains all day and night long without over heating or blowing up...

I really think you and your friend "got some lemons" instead of a Yami... or maybe just received one that was never properly assembled/tuned causing problems over the Yamaha's life... ? lots of factors come to play when vehicles "give up the ghost"
Yeah. I agree. I've only owned 2 Yamaha's, both 650 twins. Never any problems with them. Were they as good as a Triumph 650? No. Were they cheaper, and good enough? Yes.

[Sacrifice195]

well, you guys got lucky, but i still wont get another

[Sacrifice195]

i rode 2hrs at max on the motor the day i got it and it stopped starting in electric, so i had to push it off, and i dont anymore, i get it pulled off

[pete]

I done a ride on a peice off crap Yamaha today .. guess I was lucky to finish..
And all the others over the last 30 years on yamaha's...

I tell yer .. You wouldn't walk the terrain let alone ride yer hawk on it...
sorry but the Chinese are along way from this level...
one day they will get there... but not today...

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[Sacrifice195]

hate to tell you, the only thing i had wrong with the kazuma (chinese) was the chain was loose and the carb, got a new carb and it started and ran great, however, i only started the yamaha up twice in electric before it quit working, and it turns out my friends yamaha's yz250f transmission locked up, like i said, a guy owned his apollo 250cc dirtbike (chinese) for 3 years and had no issues, i owned the kazuma for 2-3 years and had no issues other than the chain, i let the kazuma sit up and came out to start it and it cranked right up without an issue, however, the yamaha doesnt want to start, cause its junk, the hawk however doesnt give issues either, it isnt the origin of the bike that makes it junk, it is the brand of the bike, and if the brand of the bike chose not to make it good quality, than that's their business, but on the other hand, kazuma has always been the most reliable thing i have ever owned, i care less what you people have to say about chinese products, some stuff on the japanese can be from china, my sister's little baja 80cc started right up and its chinese, it always starts first kick without choke, and its fast for an 80cc, it keeps up with my ttr225 without an issue, but there again, that ttr is gonna sit up and rot for all i care, but the hawk will always be treated right, and if i get on the ttr, i might blow it up for all i care, just because its the most unreliable piece of junk i had ever seen, i ran my kazuma out of oil 3 times are still rode it, and guess what, it still lives, and always will live, it lived longer than the yamaha, and its way older than the yamaha, everything plastic breaks on the yamaha, the kazuma has been through way more abuse, like i said, it doesnt matter what origin the bike is from, it only matters on the brand, and so far, apollo and hawk are pretty much the best china brands that gave people no issues at all while im here stuck with a yamaha that i regret buying, i think im just going to take it to the junk yard when i get my hawk, and the way im looking at it, if its any japanese brand dirtbikes im getting, its going to be kawasaki, honda, or suzuki

[Sacrifice195]

its so funny how you think chinese has a long way, apollo and hawk are far more reliable than a yamaha in my opinion, and fyi, i dont got the hawk yet, but im getting it pretty soon, and im ready for it, then its going street legal, my other friend has seen the pain i went through on the yamaha and i dont even think he is going to dare to buy a yamaha product, i dont trust yamaha anymore, i gave yamaha a chance and yamaha failed me, i only came here to see if i needed an oil change when i get the hawk and i told my story of why im getting the hawk, not to argue....