New Project Quad... HELP [Archive]

Dakados

01-07-2017, 04:54 AM

LOL... I was given this quad in Sept. 2016. First I put in fuel and it leaked out the overflow on the carb bowl. I pulled the carb and cleaned it up best I could...
Still leaks, but hey, I don't even know what this machine is!

So back to the beginning, a friend gave me this quad he got for construction services, it sat in his yard for years. Last he knew, it ran.
Since Sept. I've been through many surgeries etc. which kept me from paying any attention to it, and nobody is interested in hearing about all that, lol.

So, I've searched all the numbers I could find on this unlabeled machine and came up with nothing!

I'm loving the posts on this forum so I'm not leaving even if nobody can help.

I'll post some pics here though and hopefully someone has a little info on this particular machine.

http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 1.jpg
http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 2.jpg
http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 3.jpg
http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 4.jpg
http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 5.jpg
http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 6.jpg
http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 7.jpg
http://facklerland.com/photos/Quad 8.jpg

Hoping the images inspire someone to say, oh that's a GIO Beast 200 or something...

Thanks for reading and looking anyways!
Dakados

Dakados

01-07-2017, 05:33 AM

I'm also curious... When I got this unit, all the wheel-rim valves were cut off... Is there a reason for this or was someone just being a dick?

I mean, really the tires only max 10lbs so it's not like it matters.

So, on Wish.com I found a complete harness including CDI and Coil, for a 200+ or a 50-150cc, I don't care which this is, except to get it wired properly. Carb same thing. I can get a carb but I need to at least know cc

Dakados

01-07-2017, 06:03 AM

My plan ultimately is to pretty much change the entire machine.... Rear swing with Uni-ISS, full lighting system for road use, custom twin electric Superchargers, naturally fed from a much stronger stator or implanted generator/alternator.
I know right?! This old beat up thingy... It has gone nowhere. lol
It has had the pleasure of sitting and rusting

FLASHLIGHTBOY

01-07-2017, 03:44 PM

Dakados

01-07-2017, 04:36 PM

HELLO.....ok.. this is a GIO beast..... for the carb leak... your float needle is no good ... not seating,,, overflowing... you should really put a new MUKINI carb on it.. works and runs a lot better... this will help on the over flow problem.... does it have spark..??? turn over?? no cracks broken frame?? for the valve stems... put new ones on.. the other rotted away and broke... see if the tires then hold air... you can put tubes in the rubber tires if there is anySMALL LEAKS,,,, let us know... do not put big lights on... they will burn out the stator... use led lights..

Thanks Flashlightboy! Can you tell me the CC? The serial revealed nothing, as I said, there was no info on it. I will be getting a new carb, not sure I went into details now that I'm typing, lol, the carb was full of water and nasty calcium build-up! Without knowing some details I couldn't even get a carb kit, hahaha!
I tried carefully polishing all the needles, but the seals are toast.
It has some electrical contact issues but, like I said I will be replacing the entire harness. I was going to just purchase a new CDI and Coil (cause there's no spark), but saw there's entire harnesses with all electrical parts for a decent price.
I've worked on bikes, quads, sleds, etc.. My speciality is auto, but I've been in the service business a great long while.

Thanks again for the reply! Knowing for sure it's a Gio Beast is a very good start!

Regards,
Dak

culcune

01-07-2017, 04:49 PM

Thanks Flashlightboy! Knowing for sure it's a Gio Beast is a very good start!

He is kind of humble and won't advertise himself, but he is located in Canada and deals in all these products--with his invaluable help on these forums, combined with ordering parts from him, you should have that 'Beast' on the dirt in no time!

humanbeing

01-07-2017, 06:28 PM

Dakados

01-07-2017, 06:46 PM

Engine is CG http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1975cg125/page02.html on steroid
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Displacement often marked in barrel
http://gd3.alicdn.com/imgextra/i3/12530030477513985/T1s78iFstXXXXXXXXX_!!0-item_pic.jpg & can guess from engine model 196 163FML | 229 167FMM (often in alternator cover's bottom)

I really appreciate all the responses, I'm at a loss as to the engine CC, In the pictures I posted is all the numbers from this unit. I've come up with nothing in searches except that it is an Asian quad. It even said so much as it's a racing quad. I have a hard time believing that as it's gone nowhere. This machine has been parked since new :|

If someone can tell me engine size I can purchase a complete harness with all electrics and snag a carb, now the carb is less important as most any will work if the ports are the correct size.

Regards,
Dak

*EDIT* I'll poke around the block a bit more for more numbers... It's just -23C so I'm a bit shy about uncovering it. lol

Bruce's

01-07-2017, 07:20 PM

The Gio beasts are 200 cc .

BlackBike

01-07-2017, 07:30 PM

:lmao:VIN: L5KGUR85971011299
This vehicle was made in China *

VIN Code:L5KGUR85971011299
Records found:2
Company:Zhejiang Easy Vehicle Co. Ltd.
Country/Region:China
Man. Year:2007

Can't find shit on the vin..bunch of garbage figuring this stuff out

Btw...as it says above...This vehicle was made in China *:lmao:

Dakados

01-07-2017, 07:37 PM

The Gio beasts are 200 cc .

I believe you Bruce but, on the 'inner-web' it says 125 -> 250
Above 175 is a different harness.

Since everything on the web is written by everyone, you're likely 100% correct as a truly knowledgeable person.

So, I should purchase the 200cc harness.

Regards,
Dak

Dakados

01-07-2017, 07:39 PM

VIN: L5KGUR85971011299
This vehicle was made in China *

VIN Code:L5KGUR85971011299
Records found:2
Company:Zhejiang Easy Vehicle Co. Ltd.
Country/Region:China
Man. Year:2007

Where did you search to find two records, and did it say CC?

And, thank you for searching! :D

BlackBike

01-07-2017, 07:44 PM

Where did you search to find two records, and did it say CC?

And, thank you for searching! :D

Just check several things on Google but sick of it, can't find anything showing the displacement related to vin # ...just reaching in the dark.

Culcune probably knows more about this vin stuff. I've seen some pretty good hat tricks around here on some obscure stuff.

Bruce's

01-07-2017, 08:08 PM

http://www.quadnet.ca/en/articles/9548/

If that doesn't show up ,google Gio beast .

Dakados

01-07-2017, 08:17 PM

Just check several things on Google but sick of it, can't find anything showing the displacement related to vin # ...just reaching in the dark.

Culcune probably knows more about this vin stuff. I've seen some pretty good hat tricks around here on some obscure stuff.

LOL! I don't blame you. On google is sooooo much junk that comes with very little useful info.
I assumed you were searching elsewhere, from google I found it was an Asian racing quad. More recently a "Gio Beast" and now confirmed here.
So, NOT an Asian racing quad, just an Asian quad. Anyways, like I said, when it warms slightly I'll look for a block number.

Thank you all again for poking around!
Regards,
Dak

letsride

01-07-2017, 08:31 PM

In Human's post- (& can guess from engine model 196 163FML | 229 167FMM (often in alternator cover's bottom)

Look for those two engine codes (163 FML or 167 FMM) stamped in the cover or engine case somewhere. Its a ZONG so I'm sure its stamped in there. That will tell you what the displacement is.

Dakados

01-07-2017, 09:18 PM

http://www.quadnet.ca/en/articles/9548/

If that doesn't show up ,google Gio beast .

The unit there is not the same. Shown is a teen on the machine and his knees up to his chest. The unit I have fits me. I'm 47, 5'10" narrow build, but my knees are level while sitting on the quad. Wheel lugs are back threaded so bolts, not nuts. Tires are very small, front clearance is over a foot in the middle, read skid guard is inches off the ground. The body is easily explained by a manufacturing year difference, the size is not.
The quad I have is a full size quad just two wheel drive. I have had in the past a Honda trike and a Big Bear more recently last 20 years.

Regards,
Dak

Bruce's

01-07-2017, 09:30 PM

I have owned a few Gio beast 200 quads ,they also made a smaller beast but I cannot remember the size ,it might be 110 cc . I am a little feller ,only 6'5" ,245 lb ,and I found the beast too small for me ,but I could ride it ,kind of like an old 185 Honda trike .If yours is not a beast ,I would be very surprised as it looks just like one .I guess we should ask ,do you live in Canada ?as far as I know ,that is the only place you can buy a Gio ,so if you don't live here you probably have something else .

Bruce's

01-07-2017, 09:39 PM

Dakados

01-07-2017, 09:56 PM

http://www.atvedmonton.com/atvedmonton/images/Beast/

Might be a few better pictures here for you to compare .I just looked at your pictures again ,and I am pretty darn certain you have a beast .Gio did change their bikes a little from time to time so some features might be a little different .

Excellent view for sure Bruce, thank you!
It even says full size in the specs there, so what was that kid riding? lol
6'5" 200+lbs... Your new nick is tiny! lol I'm around 165lbs at 5'10" my wife figures I'm chunky. hahaha.

Anyways, we're kinna' on hold until I can uncover the quad to look again at the block.

Regards,
Dak

Bruce's

01-07-2017, 10:04 PM

It really is not full sized ,I have two Polaris trail boss 335's and they are huge compared to the beast ,and they are not very big quads

BlackBike

01-07-2017, 11:11 PM

http://www.atvedmonton.com/atvedmonton/images/Beast/9.jpg

Weldangrind

01-08-2017, 07:15 PM

I'm loving the posts on this forum so I'm not leaving even if nobody can help.

Good attitude! :tup:

As Humanbeing and Letsride indicated, there is a stamped number on the side of the motor near the gearshift that we can interpret as displacement. Gotta get down low to see it.

The displacement is most likely to be 200, but it could also be 230. Both engines use the same electrical system and carb. As FLBoy said, a 30mm Mikuni will do the trick, and you can have one shipped to your door for around $50.00 CAD.

In the meantime, check out the Gio Beast 200 sticky here: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=8436

Darth Racer

01-08-2017, 08:07 PM

If you can find the numbers stamped on the crankcase this chart will help you decipher them.

http://www.poofycomputers.com/chinese-engines/Engine%20Identify%201.jpg

Dakados

01-10-2017, 12:15 AM

Excellent view for sure Bruce, thank you!
It even says full size in the specs there, so what was that kid riding? lol
6'5" 200+lbs... Your new nick is tiny! lol I'm around 165lbs at 5'10" my wife figures I'm chunky. hahaha.

Anyways, we're kinna' on hold until I can uncover the quad to look again at the block.

Regards,
Dak

http://www.atvedmonton.com/atvedmonton/images/Beast/9.jpg

If you can find the numbers stamped on the crankcase this chart will help you decipher them.

http://www.poofycomputers.com/chinese-engines/Engine%20Identify%201.jpg

So, we're still hanging around -27, working on a quad is not high on the list.

Adult machine just means you're not choking on your knee and that's two completely different types of quad.

The chart is fantastic! Thank you very much... All of you rawk!

Yeah, you're showing a gorgeous bike. lol. Mine will be, at best, a Frankenstein experiment. I will keep the board updated.

Regards,
Dak

Darth Racer

01-10-2017, 05:36 PM

You are probably better off not working on it at those temps. Plastic gets real brittle when that cold. Wires sometimes will snap too.

Dakados

01-11-2017, 05:46 PM

(Images too large, and of no import, removing them)

I may be on my own with this one... Stuck the phone under the cover a minute to get some engine snaps...

Left at full rez for now in case someone thinks they can find something.

Regards,
Dak

david3921

01-11-2017, 07:28 PM

Keep going down on the left side until you find the oil screen cover. It's got a hex head on it. To the left or right you will find the info listed in the chart to determine engine size.

Darth Racer

01-11-2017, 07:59 PM

This pic was just posted in another thread ... yours should look similar.. the pic might help you find the location easier.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll26/kurthowl/20170111_183654.jpg

david3921

01-11-2017, 10:55 PM

Great job, Darth. As a side note, when cleaning the screen behind the cover, be aware the cover flange is very thin. It's very easily damaged if put back on too tight.

Dakados

01-16-2017, 06:02 PM

New photo! Maybe jackpot? lol

http://facklerland.com/photos/Engine-Tag-Quad.jpg

Clearly by information provided by my new friends my quad is a 200cc... Awesome help folks!

Dakados

01-16-2017, 07:44 PM

I'll likely go with custom 'glass' plastics, RR wiring harness completely (from what I've heard here and other places, no point in going HP on ignition components as there's little to no difference.) I may even build the harness as I hate bullet connectors and that's everything here, go quite larger on wheels/tires (regular trail type tires), LED lighting all round, Mikuni (SP) 30 carb, I'll likely custom the exhaust and not like some might think, lol... I believe I can mount a civic resonator instead of the standard muffler, reducing restriction and adding noise but not soo much.

Frame-off clean and paint of the frame, engine/trans a quick cleanup is all that's required. Have to see about the suspension after a few test runs with the new tire/rim package (open to ideas here... Seems a same height front -> back is more common now).

Anyways, enough for now,
Dak

humanbeing

01-16-2017, 09:03 PM

Typical Zongshen CG200
http://www.zse.cc/Upload/motor/CG200AD-09500392241.jpg

Dakados

01-17-2017, 01:13 AM

Cute Video starring a Gio Beast... Good Rider!

http://play.tojsiab.com/VDhvdFNDc19ROWMz

Weldangrind

01-17-2017, 10:59 AM

Here is that vid on the Youtube site: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8otSCs_Q9c

FLASHLIGHTBOY

01-23-2017, 05:39 PM

Hello.. the carb you want is the mikuni carb for the 150-200 cc motor... you do have the 200 cc beast... do you need the harness or what parts... no spark can be many things ... check how to test the cdi for spark... it could be just the kill switch or safety tether... killing the spark... or the stator pick up.... check first... let me know