Zongshen Breakout

[Biker_Andy]

Anyone else see potential in this?

It sits on 12" tires like the Grom/Z125 and has roughly the same dimensions but has a 150cc engine. Same 150cc engine that CSC was able to swap out for the bigger TT250 230cc engine to make the CSC250CR Cafe Racer. IF the Breakout could fit the TT250 engine then you have the potential for a unique mini bike with a not so mini engine.

http://en.zongshenmotor.com/product/showproduct.php?lang=en&id=334

[culcune]

Very interesting model. The US will be getting a 150cc mini with a vertical engine via American Lifan; not as aggressive-looking as the Zongshen, but same idea. I believe the Lifan bike will out-Grom the Grom due to its 5-speed transmission and extra horsepower, whereas the clones that are already on the market (i.e. SSR, Boom International, Ice Bear) are merely wanabees with a 125cc horizontal engine and 4-speed. Also, it has a claimed 12 hp vs. even the 10 claimed for the Zongshen. If the Lifan bike picks up sales and proves popular, I am sure there might be a push to bring the Zongshen model over here, too.

http://americanlifan.com/kp-mini/

[Azhule]

What an ugly exhaust muffler on that thing :ohno: ("Organ like exhaust, with elegant appearance and extraordinary charm")

The bigger TT250 engine might not be worth fitting it to the frame... the bike is already pushing 12hp and 11.5 nm of torque from the small 149cc engine... slightly higher compression, better cylinder/intake port design, etc...

I'm betting with a good tune and aftermarket (free flowing) intake/exhaust that little 149 engine will give the TT250 a run for it's $$... while sipping on 1/3 the amount of fuel the TT does :hehe:

Other than that exhaust muffler... it looks like a fun/great little bike from the pics and info Zong provides :) if it's priced right and makes it to America... it will be hard to keep one out of my stable :lmao:

[culcune]

AZHULE--Lifan will be sending their mini with a 150cc engine in 2017. Have you considered it? It is less aggressive-looking than the Zongshen, but has the 12hp engine out of its vertical 150. :tup:

[Biker_Andy]

I still prefer the 16 HP and 13.5ft-lbs of the TT250 engine. It would blow the 10 and 12 HP mini's out of the water. :p I think the breakout might come in lighter then the Lifan even with the 230cc motor. Plus imagine how much weight you could save by taking the ugly triple pipes off!

Below is a table comparing the Grom, Z125, Breakout with 230cc engine & KP Mini

[Biker_Andy]

I believe the Lifan bike will out-Grom the Grom due to its 5-speed transmission and extra horsepower, whereas the clones that are already on the market (i.e. SSR, Boom International, Ice Bear) are merely wanabees with a 125cc horizontal engine and 4-speed. Also, it has a claimed 12 hp vs. even the 10 claimed for the Zongshen.

http://americanlifan.com/kp-mini/

It gets confusing because there are two Zongshen mini's - Breakout & Rapido (7.8HP) which is also a clone of the Grom. The Lifan KP looks like a 1st Gen Grom with a vertical engine. I like that the Breakout looks as much like a Duke as it does a Grom. It's not so much a clone as it is it's own unique and imo improved design.

[culcune]

The Rapido I was familiar with--TMEC was supposed to start selling a near identical bike (I am guessing they purchased the parts from Zongshen or one of its suppliers) but with a 125 4 speed auto clutch form. I even saw one on youtube with the guy selling it out of Atlanta. However, Sunright, the distributor for TMEC bikes and others, have not had them in stock. Not to mention, their site shows the Rapido-looking mini, but the detail photos seem to show the Boom International Vader. I would hate to think I am getting the Rapido-looking bike, but end up with a Vader!!

http://www.sunright.net/linhai-scooters/denali-125%20FX

Lifan has been showing their KP bike for a while now (they used to show quite a few articles on the old American Lifan site about that bike in various situations, including a bunch in race form, and another a guy was doing a blog riding from China through Thailand). I have grown to really like it, and see the potential for a low budget one-make race series (like pit bikes with motard wheels on go-kart tracks--Pitster has numerous videos/photos of their pit bikes on go-kart tracks) using KP Minis. My guess is Zongshen wanted in on this niche (niche being vertical singles/5-speeds) seeing at how popular the KP Mini has become worldwide. As far as larger engines go--Lifan has those, too.

As far as looks go, the Zongshen looks great, but SSR (Yingang OEM) and Ice Bear's Little Monster, already have that look--with the frame showing on both their bikes. However, the Zongshen is obviously more powerful and has one more gear.

It will be interesting to see a head to head comparison of the two bikes, but Zongshen would need their US importer, CSC, to bring them in, or another distributor. Lifan is doing their own distribution, and their bikes are coming. Again, as far as larger engines are concerned, it would be interesting to see both brands with bigger engines. And another head to head comparison...

[pete]

I like this version of the grom styled bikes..
A set of 50/50 tyres & off around the world yer go...

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg563/petenz1/Honda%20Grom%20ADV.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/petenz1/media/Honda%20Grom%20ADV.jpg.html)



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[Biker_Andy]

Lol "Adventure Grom" :lmao:

[culcune]

I like this version of the grom styled bikes..
A set of 50/50 tyres & off around the world yer go...
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I remember seeing photos of this prototype, or ones like it, from Honda. I believe one of the prototypes might have had little dual-sport tires?!

There was a guy from France (I believe) on Advrider a couple years back who rode his Grom all over Europe, but not necessarily off-road. He did several thousand km's/miles from what I remember. His bike was loaded all kinds of ways--he definitely could have used the luggage like this prototype has! :tup:

[Biker_Andy]

Lets just hope the prototype doesn't have passenger pegs, poor poor Grom riding the alps. :cry::crazy::cry:

[wheelbender6]

I like that triple exhaust. Reminds me of an MV Augusta.

[Biker_Andy]

Something about a single cylinder engine with multiple tail pipes makes me cringe, similar a 4 cylinder Mustang. It has the look to initially impress but once you look closer its all disappointment. Slap 2 more cylinders on her and I'd say its not bad for stock exhaust. I guess to me it seems dishonest and unnecessary.

[sshevie]

If CSC were able to shoehorn the 250 in that frame I'd be all over that bike.

[Biker_Andy]

If CSC were able to shoehorn the 250 in that frame I'd be all over that bike.

My thoughts exactly, I really want one. It would be a instant Grom killer. Plus I bet it would be a blast on the bigger outdoor kart tracks.

[MOTOXtreme]

Check out those HUGE hand-guards on that goofy adventure grom.

[sshevie]

Interestingly today I was browsing around on YouTube and ran across a Honda concept bike called the 150ss. Looked about the same size as the grom but the cylinder while not quite upright was oriented like the front cylinder of a vtwin. With the cb makers looking at 150cc from clones it makes me wonder if they some how knew Honda was looking at going the same cc route.

[culcune]

I wonder what these companies from China know and don't know. I think that if Honda brings out a 150 GLV (Grom Like Vehicle--I made up that term for all the Grom replicas), there will definitely still be interest in the replicas--the MSRP of a Grom is up there, and an improved model with a larger engine will be even more! I am actually interested in the Lifan for a race bike in a series that Lifan really and truly should set up in the US, and obviously the street versions will be interesting for many people as a lower cost, but higher performing, GLV.

[BlackBike]

I wonder what these companies from China know and don't know. I think that if Honda brings out a 150 GLV (Grom Like Vehicle--I made up that term for all the Grom replicas), there will definitely still be interest in the replicas--the MSRP of a Grom is up there, and an improved model with a larger engine will be even more! I am actually interested in the Lifan for a race bike in a series that Lifan really and truly should set up in the US, and obviously the street versions will be interesting for many people as a lower cost, but higher performing, GLV.

There seems to be a lot of interest of these small bikes. That is a sensible acronym for the description. :tup: Do you know where these came from prior to this original honda model. In other words , what is its link to earlier models .

[culcune]

Remember the Lifan Pony 100? That bike was copied from the Honda Ape of the mid to later (maybe they still make it??) 2000's. That is my guess as far as progression to a Grom.

[culcune]

It was a shame that American Lifan stopped importing these; they started catching on here...

[sshevie]

For giggles I sent CSC a email today suggesting a 250 breakout. I'll curiouse to get a response. I also pushed for the CSC copper color to be put on the cafe racer.

[culcune]

I just saw the KP Mini 150 was approved on the latest updated EPA/DOT 2017 list. Their KP 200/KPR 200 bikes have been approved since November, but I have yet to see them offered, so am not holding my breath, but at least they are approved and are offering more than the Grom class of bikes (125cc horizontal thumper/4-speed tranny) with its 150cc vertical/5-speed tranny.

[prismways]

I emailed American Lifan and a guy named Tony told me the KP Mini would go on sale in the USA in June 2017.

very interesting! I am really tempted, want to see what they are going to cost.

[culcune]

I emailed American Lifan and a guy named Tony told me the KP Mini would go on sale in the USA in June 2017.

very interesting! I am really tempted, want to see what they are going to cost.

If they get enough committed dealers, their prices might be kind of high because many buyers will finance. I called them today, and the guy who answered (don't believe it was Tony) said they don't have any dealers in Arizona. One note of interest/concern when I asked about California (Yuma is literally half way from Phoenix to San Diego) is that they are not seeking CARB certification; their initial bikes will be 49 state legal. Maybe I should look into setting up a dealership here in Yuma?

[prismways]

Haha. that would be great!

If they get enough committed dealers, their prices might be kind of high because many buyers will finance. I called them today, and the guy who answered (don't believe it was Tony) said they don't have any dealers in Arizona. One note of interest/concern when I asked about California (Yuma is literally half way from Phoenix to San Diego) is that they are not seeking CARB certification; their initial bikes will be 49 state legal. Maybe I should look into setting up a dealership here in Yuma?

[Biker_Andy]

I forgot to update this thread. I asked Joe and in turn CSC asked Zongshen if it would be possible to fit the TT250 engine into the Breakout. Unfortunately it is not feasible. I assume the frame of the Breakout is just too tight to fit the TT250 engine. It's probably not worthwhile for Zongshen to design an entirely new bike just to make a 250cc Grom Killer and North American is probably the only market for such a bike. Here is the quote with links below.

"You might remember that I told you about the new small bike from Zongshen that looks like Honda’s Grom. I saw one of those yesterday. It’s a 150 and it’s stunning…

The problem for us is we don’t know if there’s a US market for a bike like the one you see in the photo above. As my good buddy Michigan Mike put it, does the world need another Grom? We had looked into selling these with the TT250’s 250cc CG engine, but it’s not feasible from an engineering perspective. Still, the bike looks great and I would love to own one. The fit and finish on all of the Zongshens is as good or better than anything from Italy, Japan, Austria, Germany, or the US. These guys have it dialed."

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=25698

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=25642

[WhatTheHawkNE]

Dose anybody know of any online retailers carrying the lifan kp mini or eather of the zongshen mini's yet? I've been searching around for one of these but haven't come up with anything yet except a video on youtube of someone reviving one in a box. Im very interested in these and would love to walk on some groms. haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnA_L5T4Ias

[letsride]

https://www.redoakcycles.com/