Took a plunge... trying a PP LXR250 EFI

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I wasn't sure if this fit in Dual Sport/Enduro or not. Feel free to move it or I can start over in the appropriate place if you would like. My intent is to use this bike (Pitster LXR250 EFI) as a mini-adventure bike.

My goal is to see if this bike can handle the variety in altitude, terrain and temperatures a typical year throws at us. We ride in Nevada, Utah, Idaho and occasionally N. Arizona. I want to use this thread to document this bike as it is one of the few fuel injected 250s I've seen from China.

The crated bike is sitting in my garage now and I will take pics and post them here as we put it together. I also plan to weigh it as shipped before riding it. Any suggestions from the group or requests can be done too.

On the way home I had to stop and tighten the straps:
http://i.imgur.com/VzItZnQ.jpg?1


Here is a peek with the crate partially unboxed:
http://i.imgur.com/9Alf5su.jpg?2

[da4design]

very nice! very interested to see what you do with it!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

very nice! very interested to see what you do with it!

Thanks!

Me too... :hmm:

A few more pics and a question for the gurus here:

http://i.imgur.com/nCPoh4y.jpg

A shot of the underside and linkage:

http://i.imgur.com/ZRzzyKz.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Rear disk and swing arm hardware:

http://i.imgur.com/8QA2LN3.jpg



Valve access might be fun:

http://i.imgur.com/I45hHMM.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Right side of motor:

http://i.imgur.com/JIvmrlB.jpg

Left side:

http://i.imgur.com/8lBAAde.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Comes with a cooling fan on one side:

http://i.imgur.com/irEBwof.jpg

Here is the engine model number. I believe it to be similar to the Zong 250 that is in the RX3, but I'm not positive. Anyone know?

http://i.imgur.com/9wLCZDm.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Ok. Last 2

Triple clamps look nice and adjustable:

http://i.imgur.com/7baZqQT.jpg


Skid plate:

http://i.imgur.com/K6bEdUs.jpg

[pete]

The motor looks like a copy of a Honda CRF250....


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[ben2go]

That's a nice looking ride. Where did you get it from, or did I miss that?

[JerryHawk250]

Beautiful looking bike:tup: now I need a bib. :hehe:

[Dieselrunner]

From what I can tell, that looks like a pretty nice bike.

[pete]

From what I can tell, that looks like a pretty nice bike.

yer not wrong.... a big leap up from the Hawk/TT250 etc...



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[pete]

Rear disk and swing arm hardware:

http://i.imgur.com/8QA2LN3.jpg



Valve access might be fun:

http://i.imgur.com/I45hHMM.jpg

Change the oil & filter very soon after you start it.... see that gasket sealent
sticking out... well theres possably as much sticking in that will come off and mix
with the oil....


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[BlackBike]

As CSCDude would say.



Can we get a link?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

The motor looks like a copy of a Honda CRF250....


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A little... but different in a few key places. The water pump is very similar.

[MOTOXtreme]

Very impressed with that. Genuinely jealous lol. Please post a link so I can start dreaming right away. .

[ChondaChondaChonda]

That's a nice looking ride. Where did you get it from, or did I miss that?

As CSCDude would say.



Can we get a link?

Oh yeah; http://shop.pitsterpro.com/lxr250fmxenduro.aspx

Specs here: http://pitsterpro.com/bike/specs/id/66

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Put it together this afternoon.

http://i.imgur.com/FdS4EJM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XAZXr9J.jpg

Not the best pictures as I was too excited riding it to take any while the light was still good.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Headlight is a 35 watt halogen and is very bright!

http://i.imgur.com/GBxO925.jpg

I was pleasantly surprised to see that the bike came with a tool kit, software and the USB to EFI adapter needed to use the software!! :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/NHnz2EB.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Tools included. Not many, but they seem pretty well made.

http://i.imgur.com/yNUBUAK.jpg


Here is a shot of the tuning cable:

http://i.imgur.com/HB3n2wX.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Bike has a nice dash.

http://i.imgur.com/TxG4578.jpg?1


The tachometer has a cool feature where it holds the last shift rpm for a second as you go through the gears. The picture isn't very clear, but the screen is. It has a gear shift indicator, Neutral light, and high beam indicator which I find nice to have.

We weighed the bike using a crane scale and suspended it from the ceiling. Without the headlight, handguards and mirrors it weighed 266 lbs (120.6 kg). With all the accessories it weighed 271 lbs (122.9 kg). So it is a bit porkier than advertised, just like all the "big name" bikes we have weighed in the past. :doh:

The good news is that it feels much lighter than the tale of the scale.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

The bike comes with a bottle of blue coolant that says "Volkswagen Accessary Genuine Parts".

We filled the radiator and had a bit left over.

Oil level is read via site glass or window on the case cover. I'm not a huge fan of that, but we will see how it goes. One minor complaint is that it is a tough motor to add oil to because of the exhaust routing. Might need to get creative there.

Fresh fuel was added; it was obvious that some old fuel was left in from the factory. Bad smells for sure.

The biggest surprise came when we opened the battery box and found a super lightweight Lithium battery from the factory!! Score!

We also pulled the air filter out as it seemed a bit dry. (no oil) Access is through the left side cover with 2 screws and it looks like a standard filter and said "Twin Air" on the grommet. There is a plastic frame and mesh screen similar to other brands. Filter was oiled and put back in.

The motor fired up right away, but was obviously very rich. The bike struggled to idle. This is probably due to the 4700+ foot altitude here vs. the close to sea level factory where the bike was last started.

We decided to ride it up and down the street and allow the EFI to try tuning it in. (Did I mention that this bike has an Oxygen sensor too?) After we had things warmed up and the EFI did its thing, we were able to adjust the idle air screw on the throttle body and get a nice steady idle. Restarting was super quick and the motor made no bad sounds.

[BlackBike]

Wow, so you can program the f.i. tune ???

Amazing.

Is this the back door device into the rx3?

Can you show the input port to the bikes controller? This is interesting.

[culcune]

congrats on that beast! Member MrClean67 owns one as well...you guys should compare notes. :tup:

[pete]

thats nice a real enduro... not a duel sport , trail bike carrying the enduro tag...
122kgs is ok concidering it has the road gear....



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[Ski_rush]

The quality of that bike, just from the pics, looks leaps and bounds over what the hawk and enforcer look like... It's crazy how much better quality it looks. I'm embarrassed by my bike after seeing those pics

[pete]

(Did I mention that this bike has an Oxygen sensor too?)



theres a little trick you can do....

put a 1 ohm pentometer in one of the wires then at the twist of a nob
you can tell lies to the ECU about the air temp... the ECU will richen or lean
the air/fuel ratio.... everything still works as normal but at a higher or lower
air temp ratio than what it really is...

i have one on my Yamaha XT660R.... if i'm just cruseing I lean the A/F out a bit.
or come to a hill or offroad I richen it up....




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[hertz9753]

That is a beautiful bike.

[timcosby]

The quality of that bike, just from the pics, looks leaps and bounds over what the hawk and enforcer look like... It's crazy how much better quality it looks. I'm embarrassed by my bike after seeing those pics

$1200 verses $3800

[pete]

$1200 verses $3800

when yer look at it that way... but yer get what yer pay for...

[BlackBike]

when yer look at it that way... but yer get what yer pay for...

Yep, sad but true. Human condition allways wanting ...more please

[Bruce's]

The fast ace suspension on that bike costs more than a complete hawk .

[Ski_rush]

I hadn't seen the price of that bike. $3800?...almost 4 Grand!... Not that the pitster isn't nice looking... But when you get in that price bracket, it makes it tough to rationalize getting a Chinese bike over a more mainstream one.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Wow, so you can program the f.i. tune ???

Amazing.

Is this the back door device into the rx3?

Can you show the input port to the bikes controller? This is interesting.

I'm not sure how much tuning can be done, but the software and cable make it look possible.

The picture of the cable above shows the end that plugs into the Kayo EFI; it looks very different than the RX3 EFI plug.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I hadn't seen the price of that bike. $3800?...almost 4 Grand!... Not that the pitster isn't nice looking... But when you get in that price bracket, it makes it tough to rationalize getting a Chinese bike over a more mainstream one.

I figured this would come up. Believe me, it was a struggle.

In the end I got a waaay better price. (Closer to $3000) Plus, I could not find a used 250 with EFI. A new Wr250 is $8000, so I can buy 2.5 LXRs and still be ok. If this bike wasn't as well finished as it is, I never would have popped for it.

[BigWeld]

I hadn't seen the price of that bike. $3800?...almost 4 Grand!... Not that the pitster isn't nice looking... But when you get in that price bracket, it makes it tough to rationalize getting a Chinese bike over a more mainstream one.

I too am crazy jealous, and I thought that exact same thing.

BUT; when you look at the purchase price of the bike, see the quality in it's parts, and one more MAJOR thing: take all the performance mods you can think of and throw them at an Enforcer, Brozz, whatever....anddollar for dollar this bike is worth it. My Brozz was $1700 shipped to my door. Since, I've probably dumped another $500 (just guessing) so now we're up to $2200 bucks. After that money was spent I will end up with a bike with LITERALLY HALF the power-to-weight ratio that this bike has BONE STOCK. I'm a new rider and can already see myself outgrowing the Brozz. This 32hp machine may be more $ initially, but in the long run, I bet this machine gives longer lasting enjoyment.


Anybody want to buy a 2016 Brozz with only 10 miles on it? Comes with ALOT of upgrades :lol:

[ChondaChondaChonda]

The quality of that bike, just from the pics, looks leaps and bounds over what the hawk and enforcer look like... It's crazy how much better quality it looks. I'm embarrassed by my bike after seeing those pics

No need for that. I'm just happy to see that the quality is coming up! More competition=more good affordable choices for all of us!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

theres a little trick you can do....

put a 1 ohm pentometer in one of the wires then at the twist of a nob
you can tell lies to the ECU about the air temp... the ECU will richen or lean
the air/fuel ratio.... everything still works as normal but at a higher or lower
air temp ratio than what it really is...

i have one on my Yamaha XT660R.... if i'm just cruseing I lean the A/F out a bit.
or come to a hill or offroad I richen it up....




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That would be cool if I had a real-time indicator of the A/F ratio.

I'm certainly curious to see how it does on fuel economy. I've a hunch that it runs richer than necessary to make that extra power.

[BlackBike]

I'm not sure how much tuning can be done, but the software and cable make it look possible.

The picture of the cable above shows the end that plugs into the Kayo EFI; it looks very different than the RX3 EFI plug.

Can you show the input port to the bikes controller? This is interesting.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Can you show the input port to the bikes controller? This is interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/ZdxOvna.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/hLvGoxw.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Quick note on a cold start this morning:

1. I left the key and ignition on switch in the on position all night like a dummy. Dash was lit up when I walked into the garage. Doh!

2. It still fired right off. Idled high for a few seconds and then settled into the idle we set last night. (about 1400-1500 rpm)

Very happy about it passing this test. Biggest reason I wanted fuel injection.

[2LZ]

I didn't catch it here but yes, that's the exact motor and cooling system that's in the RX3. Not the "ZS" on the engine number, It's a Zong!
I believe this bike is advertised with more HP though....and yes, good luck getting at those valves. The intake on the RX3 isn't bad....the exhaust on the other hand....

Sweet ride!

[pete]

http://i.imgur.com/ZdxOvna.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/hLvGoxw.jpg

whats the 1 2 3 4 5 ?... are they diffrent pre instaled maps ?
or maybe diffrent A/F ratios quick tune ?

it look like at least one company in China has seen the light &
is trying take on the other companys in the offroad/enduro market...
& not build 30 year old budget bikes and make a very poor job of it..

it will be interesting to see if they can in fact do the job as well as look like they can..



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[ChondaChondaChonda]

whats the 1 2 3 4 5 ?... are they diffrent pre instaled maps ?
or maybe diffrent A/F ratios quick tune ?

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They are mostly indicators. #5 is red fault LED:

http://i.imgur.com/JFlau6L.jpg

#4 Doesn't make sense with "Always off or always off". I'm guessing it should say ON.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Tail light fail.

Needed to get the bike inspected today. Right off the bat there was no tail light. no running or brake. So I tore into the wiring and found that it was all wired correctly but it must have been a bad light from the factory.

Luckily I had an LED strip light in the garage so I wired it in and took it to the inspection station. Passed with no issues. 22 miles round trip. I tried to take it easy and let things break in. Time for oil change #1 now.

Really like this bikes power curve and road manners are good. Gearing is too low for street use as I was cruising at 55-60 for a bit, but was near the top of 6th. 5th and 6th are too close; a good enduro should have a nice tall 6th gear like a WR or XCW style transmission IMHO. A taller 6th would make this a perfect little tug.

[ben2go]

That's a real nice China bike and the included tool kit and EFI diagnosis kit is excellent. Can you confirm the advertised seat height is 37 inches? That's KTM territory. :lmao:

[ChondaChondaChonda]

That's a real nice China bike and the included tool kit and EFI diagnosis kit is excellent. Can you confirm the advertised seat height is 37 inches? That's KTM territory. :lmao:

Yes, it is. I'm beginning to think that the frame and geometry are "KTM inspired". The tank, exhaust and swing arm are very 2006-2010 KTM 250 looking.

Hard to get 12 inches of travel at both ends without the seat getting higher. I'm with you on it being a little too tall. I may drop the forks in the triples and put a lowering link on it after getting the rear suspension dialed. I'm a fat kid with short legs!!

The good thing is the springs are so soft that it drops to where I can flat foot it with a 32" inseam.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I forgot these earlier:

A few shots of the battery and air filter. The filter comes out the side panel. 2 screws to get it out.

You can also see the starter solenoid and CDI.

http://i.imgur.com/LJG6uXN.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/E6ypc0x.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Oil was dumped warm after riding it home from inspection station. Oil looked beautiful and fresh. Almost a shame to dump it, but better safe than sorry. The oil filter looked pristine. I thought I had a replacement, but it was the wrong filter. :shrug:

Here's how the magnet looked:

http://i.imgur.com/m8to6dF.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/Qfm9uFy.jpg

[humanbeing]

You may already know it's a Kayo. K6 had the same ECU https://v.qq.com/x/page/o0157yyhyyq.html
If had Wechat http://siyigenealogy.proboards.com/thread/2545/wechat?page=1&scrollTo=18601 visits http://www.kayo.com.cn/skin/pcsjwxkmbfa/img/erweima.gif & grab the latest info

[pete]

Yes, it is. I'm beginning to think that the frame and geometry are "KTM inspired". The tank, exhaust and swing arm are very 2006-2010 KTM 250 looking.

Hard to get 12 inches of travel at both ends without the seat getting higher. I'm with you on it being a little too tall. I may drop the forks in the triples and put a lowering link on it after getting the rear suspension dialed. I'm a fat kid with short legs!!

The good thing is the springs are so soft that it drops to where I can flat foot it with a 32" inseam.

With 300mm wheel travel it will drop 100mm when seated if you set the sags...



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[ChondaChondaChonda]

You may already know it's a Kayo. K6 had the same ECU
https://v.qq.com/x/page/o0157yyhyyq.html

Yes. That looks like the same bike with some minor differences. :tup:

I wish I knew what they were saying in that Video!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

With 300mm wheel travel it will drop 100mm when seated if you set the sags...



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Yes, it *feels* smaller than the specs as is. I haven't had time to mess with sag. I weigh enough and have had enough bikes to know that I will need a stiffer rear spring. Working on a solution from my "box 'o springs" in the garage; I have quite a collection from over the years.

As is, it is very good on the street.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Well, the Pitster Pro LXR250 is now plated.

Turns out the inspection wasn't even necessary... because it was new. Better safe than sorry. PLUS, it was an excuse to ride. Now that I'm legal I need to do some explorin'.

[MOTOXtreme]

Well, the Pitster Pro LXR250 is now plated.

Turns out the inspection wasn't even necessary... because it was new. Better safe than sorry. PLUS, it was an excuse to ride. Now that I'm legal I need to do some explorin'.

Awesome. And Explorin you will do I'm sure. Thats the main reason I got mine..>So when I say "hmmm, wonder where that road goes...."

[BlackBike]

Great feeling with that plate !!

[dpl096]

Exactly...now that it's plated you wanna take it off the road and to where no plates are needed...just the desire to see what around that next bend in the trail or treeline....freedom!


Well, the Pitster Pro LXR250 is now plated.

Turns out the inspection wasn't even necessary... because it was new. Better safe than sorry. PLUS, it was an excuse to ride. Now that I'm legal I need to do some explorin'.

[BlackBike]

Exactly...now that it's plated you wanna take it off the road and to where no plates are needed...just the desire to see what around that next bend in the trail or treeline....freedom!

Yeah right , here is the example (freedom) of what I find at the end of the county road...keep out

http://travellogs.us/2007Logs/Texas 2007/18-TX Gates and Fences/gate_0869.JPG

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Yeah right , here is the example (freedom) of what I find at the end of the county road...keep out

http://travellogs.us/2007Logs/Texas 2007/18-TX Gates and
Fences/gate_0869.JPG

That happens more here than it used to, but we have managed to keep many good single track trails open.

http://www.dirtbikeutah.net/
Now we just need to stop locking up public lands.

https://sharetrails.org/#Welcome

[2LZ]

Yeah right , here is the example (freedom) of what I find at the end of the county road...keep out

http://travellogs.us/2007Logs/Texas 2007/18-TX Gates and Fences/gate_0869.JPG

Better than a guy with a shotgun and a bad attitude. I have a few of them around Volcano. I can't figure out if he has a weed grow or a bunch of teenage daughters.....or both.

[Lanadv]

That's a good looking bike. Have you ridden it on the highway much? Was just curious how it would do on paved top speed wise. I saw one video online that got up to 71MPH on pavement.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Haven't wanted to push it too hard yet!
After its broke in I will GPS the top speed. It's advertised as 74mph. I did hit 70 for a brief moment the other day.

Taking it out this weekend for a good shakedown run.

[2LZ]

Haven't wanted to push it too hard yet!
After its broke in I will GPS the top speed. It's advertised as 74mph. I did hit 70 for a brief moment the other day.

Taking it out this weekend for a good shakedown run.

Any ideas what sprockets you have on it? I think my RX3 (same motor) has a 13/and whatever stock is. 45 maybe?
I can cruise at highway speed but it's still hummin' with that 13 the front. Came stock with a 14.

[Lanadv]

I look forward to seeing how it turns out, looks like the fit and finish is pretty top notch for such an inexpensive bike, not to mention a lot of upgrades! Could turn out to be quite the little enduro, especially if it has the same engine as the RX3.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Any ideas what sprockets you have on it? I think my RX3 (same motor) has a 13/and whatever stock is. 45 maybe?
I can cruise at highway speed but it's still hummin' with that 13 the front. Came stock with a 14.


Not verified, but the PPro website says 13/49, as does the parts order manual.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Decided to check the sprocket situation out as we have already seen that some of the specs on Pitster's page are off.

Turns out the front is a 13 tooth! :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/7Hv9B7W.jpg



BUT, rear is a 51;

http://i.imgur.com/YjlW2Ni.jpg

:doh:

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Pitster LXR250 front forks measure about 47mm ; tough to hold tablet, micrometer, get focus and push camera button all at once, so forgive the quality here:

http://i.imgur.com/iRnH8ZM.jpg


The housing of the front forks just below the top triple clamp are 53mm :

http://i.imgur.com/cYeptOr.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Here is a picture of the rear spring rate. It says "FastAce 300lbs/in".

http://i.imgur.com/TjZVnby.jpg?1


300 lb/in = 5.3 kg/mm

A little light for my heft... looking at my old Honda and perusing Racetech on bikes with similar geometry I should be looking for a 6.0 kg/mm or 336 lb/in spring rate.

In my experience getting the rear spring rate right makes more difference than all the tuning you can do on the wrong spring will ever make.

[timcosby]

Decided to check the sprocket situation out as we have already seen that some of the specs on Pitster's page are off.

Turns out the front is a 13 tooth! :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/7Hv9B7W.jpg



BUT, rear is a 51;

http://i.imgur.com/YjlW2Ni.jpg

:doh:


is that metal shavings on the frame under the shifter or just dirt?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

is that metal shavings on the frame under the shifter or just dirt?

Its dirt embedded in the chain grease/oil (very thick). Looks like the wear guard is chunking a little and some of it is the plastic bits. The picture makes it look metallic, but when I wiped it off it didn't have any metal in it. I do remember why I like o-ring chains...

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/W8Psb0b.jpg?1

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Pulled the trigger on an oversized tank. 4 gallons is necessary for some of our longer trips... 5 gallons if we get lost. Which is the normal way things go down. :hmm:

I'm hoping it will fit this bike; if it does I will post the part number and manufacturer. Right now I'm taking a chance.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Especially the 3 !!! in larger font. :lmao:

http://i.imgur.com/vKgcMu1.jpg?1

[pete]

Oil was dumped warm after riding it home from inspection station. Oil looked beautiful and fresh. Almost a shame to dump it, but better safe than sorry. The oil filter looked pristine. I thought I had a replacement, but it was the wrong filter. :shrug:

Here's how the magnet looked:


http://i.imgur.com/Qfm9uFy.jpg


Was the drain plug a wee bit on the tight side ?



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[ChondaChondaChonda]

Was the drain plug a wee bit on the tight side ?



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Every bolt I have touched on this bike have been way too tight!

It was an effort to get that out- I used a Wera socket set, which is german made and the best sockets I own. Nearly pulled the bike over getting it out.

[2LZ]

Lovin' the bike so far! Keep the pics coming!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Lovin' the bike so far! Keep the pics coming!


If you insist.

http://i.imgur.com/uRXE9Ec.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Took the Pitster Pro for its maiden ride to an area filled with sand, slickrock, slot canyons, moguls, rough single track, 2-3 foot ledges and just about every obstacle you can imagine. Motorcycle heaven.

The purpose was to break it in, see some cool stuff, and see just how this bike does right out of the box. Everything is still stock except the rear tail that was replaced. Because of the rough nature of these trails I pulled the rear view mirrors off.

We rode for a solid 6-7 hours, only stopping to rest occasionally. Here is the bike just off the trailer to set the scene:
http://i.imgur.com/SB3jN8p.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/61gMtDR.jpg

This was about 10 minutes through a sandy area and a mile or so of deep whoops. Bike was running good. Idle quality was getting noticeably better.

This was also a shake down run for my buddies bike. He spent all winter building a super-lite xr200-230 hybrid. It scaled at an amazing 210 lbs!

We stopped fairly often to look for loose parts, rubbing or an other issues that crop up with new bikes.

http://i.imgur.com/Ko1lJwm.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/OwYcNkx.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

This is the entrance to "The Tubes"

http://i.imgur.com/Be3w6qa.jpg


Here is a video my buddy took on a steep drop into a slot canyon. Hard to see the bottom was water about 3 feet deep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S0tY9Ru45w

I wanted to post this for 2 reasons.

1. To show that I am way too hefty for the rear spring. All geared up I weigh in at 270 lbs. (I carry more water and tools than most...)

2. If you hear that "POP" it was the motor backfiring. It did this a lot early in the day, but seemed to get better as the motor broke in/adjusted itself.

As the motor broke in the bike just got better and better. PLENTY of power for anything. Crazy fast when we wicked it up.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/wKCOBcF.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/VnHMdl3.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/N2P6kJE.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/pCHxmcX.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Not many action pictures... we rode pretty hard and its tough to take pics all day.

After a fun morning in the slot canyons we hit some high speed fire roads and found our way to "Mary's Trail". This trail is an amazing loop though some of the most scenic slickrock. It is so steep in places that it defies belief that it can be ridden by mere mortals. Going off the wrong ledge could lead to a 400-600 foot drop. So, the local clubs paint white markers along the route to keep folks a little safer.

http://i.imgur.com/CaJQ3ah.jpg
Pictures just can't do these scenes justice. The area this looks across is so immense, but it loses all scale here.

http://i.imgur.com/zbxO8Wv.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

For a stone stock bike straight outta the box, I can say this bike is thus far a great bike. Not a great bike for it's price. Not a great bike for a Chinese bike. It stands on its own as a great bike.

The trails we rode were extreme. Harsh rock ledges, 3 foot whoops for miles, technical ledges and drop-offs, big climbs. Hard to document it all. The bike handles great out of the box. I did bottom the rear suspension out a few times (ouch kidneys), but I am a fat guy on a little bike. A new rear spring would fix that. With my 32" inseam I can flat foot this bike as it is. For anyone lighter than 220lbs this bike might be perfect. Especially as a trail bike.

Even with the soft spring the bike worked well. I'm no pro rider, hell, I'm not very good. The front end tracked better than my CR/XR hybrid. I really like the front forks. They soaked up the punishment and kept the bike sure footed. I had intended to do some compression and rebound adjustments but it was close enough that I never bothered. It will get done soon, though.

The motor was a positive surprise also. The concern was whether or not this had enough low end to pull slow through technical stuff without stalling. It did much better than I expected and stayed in the power when I asked it to. The EFI was also a worry. I have increased confidence after this trip. The bike just got better with every mile. The tuning is very good and this bike flat out rips. It will go far faster than I will ever need to. 6th gear runs on fire roads were stable and the bike pulled easily to near redline. I couldn't read the speedo as my eyes were watering too bad.

On one section of fast loose corners I did a 3rd gear wheel spin that sent me sliding sideways in a bad way. I let off and the bike recovered beautifully. Handling in these "off" situations rivals my 300XC. (Which I sold a few years back)

Blah blah blah. I know. Just trying to answer any questions someone might have.

[2LZ]

Excellent pics and thanks for the review! Looked like a real fun day.
I'm getting real curious now as to why the PP NC250 motor is rated at more HP than the RX3 and also seems to deliver some mid-range power or grunt that you had mentioned.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Excellent pics and thanks for the review! Looked like a real fun day.
I'm getting real curious now as to why the PP NC250 motor is rated at more HP than the RX3 and also seems to deliver some mid-range power or grunt that you had mentioned.

I've thought about that; perhaps the fact that the RX3 has to pass stricter emissions?

It would be interesting to compare the camshafts. Seems like the most likely place to make it different. I'm sure the wide open exhaust pipe on the LXR helps, too. It is a bit too loud for me. FMF-Q4 coming up.

[2LZ]

I've thought about that; perhaps the fact that the RX3 has to pass stricter emissions?

It would be interesting to compare the camshafts. Seems like the most likely place to make it different. I'm sure the wide open exhaust pipe on the LXR helps, too. It is a bit too loud for me. FMF-Q4 coming up.

I'm thinking possibly all three. The PP not needing CARB Approval, cam timing and injection mapping to bring it all together.

I have a far more open exhaust on my RX3 and it helped "a little maybe" but nothing to write home to mom about. After riding Mrs. 2LZ stock RX3, I may just go back to the stock pipe and quiet it down a bit. Sometimes experiments don't always reap the hopeful benefits.

What's the valve adjustment intervals according to the manual?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

What's the valve adjustment intervals according to the manual?

The only manual that came with the bike are for the Kayo fuel injection system. Nothing about the motor at all, so I am going off what I am reading in the RX3 forum.

Big thanks to Spud for all the information he has taken the time to publish.
:thanks:

[Sullybiker]

That bike looks like a pretty serious step in build quality, I guess the equivalent to the RX3 Cyclone. Glad it's working out for you - it looks great.

Surprised about the lack of a manual for the engine. Watch the valves; I understand they're quite needy on the RX3's motor.

[Darkrider]

Reading this makes me wish this bike was available up here. Wonder how much difference besides the EFI there is between this one and the one that is able to be purchased up here. Hmmm

[pete]

Thats a big step up for the Chinamen.... Good to see they all don't
copy 30 year old designs which there is a place for them..
But if they want to be taken serously this is where there future is...

love your riding area.... love to get the trials bike out there...


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[ChondaChondaChonda]

So, it was mentioned a few pages back that I had ordered a desert tank for those longer rides.

Some fellow riders/friends/co-workers were skeptical that it would fit, but I spent hours comparing and am now vindicated because this tank is a perfect fit:

http://i.imgur.com/bwWdfGX.jpg


From the back:
http://i.imgur.com/xgSFZpx.jpg?1

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Here is a shot of the Pitster frame from the parts manual:

http://i.imgur.com/gEvVviS.jpg


And, here is an ebay photo of a 2011-2012 era KTM frame:

http://i.imgur.com/Yd1X56p.jpg



The tank fitting perfectly was ordered for a 2012 200XCW. :clap:

[Darkrider]

So now we know the PP is a sort of hybrid between Hondoid and..KTMoid?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

So now we know the PP is a sort of hybrid between Hondoid and..KTMoid?

I'd say KTM chassis replica with Zong motor.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I'm thinking possibly all three. The PP not needing CARB Approval, cam timing and injection mapping to bring it all together.

I have a far more open exhaust on my RX3 and it helped "a little maybe" but nothing to write home to mom about. After riding Mrs. 2LZ stock RX3, I may just go back to the stock pipe and quiet it down a bit. Sometimes experiments don't always reap the hopeful benefits.

What's the valve adjustment intervals according to the manual?


I found this little blurb about our zs177mm motors doing a web search:

http://i.imgur.com/M0SDBHS.jpg

This explains the differences in power output, possibly.

[BlackBike]

http://moto.zombdrive.com/images/ktm-200-xcw-2012-2.jpg

[BlackBike]

Thats a big step up for the Chinamen.... Good to see they all don't
copy 30 year old designs which there is a place for them..
But if they want to be taken serously this is where there future is...

love your riding area.... love to get the trials bike out there...


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Maybe they are now just coping 10 year old designs :hehe:. From what I see on the Web there are tons of great looking china bikes only available in China.

[BlackBike]

I found this little blurb about our zs177mm motors doing a web search:

http://i.imgur.com/M0SDBHS.jpg

This explains the differences in power output, possibly.

So here it is 2lz... 25.4794 hp for mass prod durability (Such as the rx3).

"...max power can easily reach 23kw or more". Here are those hidden horses you always speak of (30.8435 Hp or more)

As you say, with a few key improvements the rx3 could easily gain 5 hp which I would guess would be a world of difference for the interstate issues.

[BlackBike]

ChondaChondaChonda, great work on the research. That tank is great. Yes I would have gotten the transparent one too. (Range anxiety sucks).

I would keep it on the bike always. Can you transfer the graphics from the OEM covers to the new poly tank using a heat gun?

Glad you purchased the pp. Have always seen them and wondered about. Thanks for sharing.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://moto.zombdrive.com/images/ktm-200-xcw-2012-2.jpg

Just to be clear; the tank also fits the 250's and 350's from 2011 to 2015 and even a few 150's. The part number is
2374020147



I ordered the 2-stroke model because I don't need the holes for the pressure regulator and in-tank fuel pump that KTM uses on their EFI. It may have been for nothing, as it looks like they are the same, but you have to cut out the holes to make it KTM EFI compatible.



Also, I still need to buy a vent for the LXR fuel return line.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Maybe they are now just coping 10 year old designs :hehe:. From what I see on the Web there are tons of great looking china bikes only available in China.


The earliest videos of these bikes are in 2012-13 so I think they copied a 1 year old design this time. For the western US these bikes are the best, so if you're going to copy...copy off the smartest kid in the class.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

ChondaChondaChonda, great work on the research. That tank is great. Yes I would have gotten the transparent one too. (Range anxiety sucks).

I would keep it on the bike always. Can you transfer the graphics from the OEM covers to the new poly tank using a heat gun?

Glad you purchased the pp. Have always seen them and wondered about. Thanks for sharing.

I'm not too much on graphics. I will mark the tank as I fill it the first time so I can easily see how much fuel I have left. 90% of the time I probably won't put over 2 gallons in it. Only when necessary. This should keep the weight lower AND I need need need the better radiator protection that these provide.

Acerbis also makes a 5.3 gallon version of this tank. I'm happy I went with the 4.1.

[BlackBike]

Sorry if I missed. Have you had a chance to check the mpg?

[2LZ]

So no in-tank pump, if I understand correctly??

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Sorry if I missed. Have you had a chance to check the mpg?

No. We rode hard for 5-6 hours on the maiden voyage and used (huge SWAG) only about a gallon of the 2 gallon tank. 2nd gear 90% of the time.

I will do a proper mpg test here soon.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

So no in-tank pump, if I understand correctly??


No in-tank pump. But, this new tank makes fitting a KTM style pump possible.

Currently the pump sits above the chain guard/behind the cylinder and bolts to the fuel pressure regulator that you can see in picture 2 of post #82 above. It is the square aluminum piece; it appears to be a diaphragm type.

[BlackBike]

No. We rode hard for 5-6 hours on the maiden voyage and used (huge SWAG) only about a gallon of the 2 gallon tank. 2nd gear 90% of the time.

I will do a proper mpg test here soon.

yea, it will run forever at low rpm's

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Not much of the time was at low rpms. Deep sand in a large percentage of it. Harder to stop on those sections, so the pictures skew to the easier to stop on rock shots.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

For future reference :
Rear Shock body is 60mm outside.
Shaft is 18mm.

[BlackBike]

As opposed to wot for 2 hrs highway, it is low rpm. That what I mean by burning fuel quicker

[SpudRider]

The only manual that came with the bike are for the Kayo fuel injection system. Nothing about the motor at all, so I am going off what I am reading in the RX3 forum.

Big thanks to Spud for all the information he has taken the time to publish.
:thanks:

You're welcome. :) Thanks for the kind words.

You bought a very nice motorcycle. :tup:

[Irishjew]

Hey CHonda,
Did this bike come with MSO paperwork and does it have a 17 digit VIN?
How is it performing so far?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Hey CHonda,
Did this bike come with MSO paperwork and does it have a 17 digit VIN?
How is it performing so far?


Yes, it came with the MSO. I didn't think to take a picture of it before I titled it and handed it over to the DMV. It looked the same as the MSOs you get when you buy a trailer.

The VIN is 17 digits and the state and Allstate insurance were both happy with it.

I'm very happy with how this bike runs, feels and rides so far. I now have the Acerbis 4.1 gallon tank mounted and plumbed. Had to add a bulkhead fitting for the EFI fuel return line. Also working on putting an FMF Q4 that I picked up off Craigslist cheap so that I can be quieter and USFS approved. Both are very important to me. The stock muffler is shorter and straight through and too loud in my opinion.

I also need to change the rear spring rate to match my weight.

[pete]

Be good to see someone ride one of these in the Romainiacs / Elzburg / Roof of Africa
or the like...



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[mjs91882]

Beautiful bike!! I have been checking these out a lot lately on top of a few other bikes. Anyone know the mileage for the valve adjustment? Are you thinking it's similar to the RX3? Anyway I could throw passenger pegs on this? Just thinking about the gf. Looks like a great price for a very good quality bike. The valves look like they are going to be pretty tough to get to huh? Any other advice would be great so I know if I should purchase it 😀

[pete]

Are you thinking it's similar to the RX3?



It's just the same... Has a wheel at each end with a motor between them...



..

[mjs91882]

it's just the same... Has a wheel at each end with a motor between them...



..

............ 😳

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Beautiful bike!! I have been checking these out a lot lately on top of a few other bikes. Anyone know the mileage for the valve adjustment? Are you thinking it's similar to the RX3? Anyway I could throw passenger pegs on this? Just thinking about the gf. Looks like a great price for a very good quality bike. The valves look like they are going to be pretty tough to get to huh? Any other advice would be great so I know if I should purchase it 😀

I'm just going to follow a maintenance schedule similar to the RX3 for the first few thousand, then go to checking the valves at least once a year. (Being primarily a dirt bike I doubt I will put anywhere near the miles on that the typical RX3 guy will) Once the fuel tank and seat are off the valves are'nt too bad; removing the horn is about all that is extra to do. Much easier than most bikes I have owned.

Not sure how passenger pegs could be thrown on. The rear subframe is made of steel, so it might be possible to weld or bolt some kind of footpeg extensions on, but I would just make her get her own bike. Might be worth starting a seperate thread on adding the passenger footpegs.

[BlackAcid]

I have about 300 miles on my LXR250f now and it seems to be pretty solid. I put a 15t front sprocket on it (JTF 432.15SC) for better top end, and configured a bracket for a side mounted aully park 1.3 gallon tank. I wasn't sure what KTM oversized tank would work best. Like I previously said, my valves were pretty snug right away. I adjusted them to .08mm like it was suggested for the RX3 and the bike runs much better now. It was stalling on deceleration, backfiring, and having an inconsistent idle. I wanted to used the bike more like a poor man's WR250r so I put Shinko 700s on it. Once the bike is broke in a little more I think I might use the RX3 oil filter w/ spring to try and help with the engine's longevity.

I also got tempted by the Hawk 250 bug last spring and have had one for over one year now. It is a solid cheap bike after you spend about $500 to get it set up right (carb. With proper jets, chain, sprockets, exhaust, mjstef cluster, etc). As far as quality goes it is nowhere near the LXR. I bought the LXR for $3000 during a sale, and am in almost $2000 on the Hawk.

[OUTERLIMITS]

I'm just going to follow a maintenance schedule similar to the RX3 for the first few thousand, then go to checking the valves at least once a year. (Being primarily a dirt bike I doubt I will put anywhere near the miles on that the typical RX3 guy will) Once the fuel tank and seat are off the valves are'nt too bad; removing the horn is about all that is extra to do. Much easier than most bikes I have owned.

Not sure how passenger pegs could be thrown on. The rear subframe is made of steel, so it might be possible to weld or bolt some kind of footpeg extensions on, but I would just make her get her own bike. Might be worth starting a seperate thread on adding the passenger footpegs.

Have been following this thread. How has your tank worked out? I know you said something about the return fuel line from the fuel pump had to be figured out. Is that a non pressurized line? Could it feasibly "T" back into the line that leads from the tank to the fuel pump or do you have to do something else. That's a great tank to have seeing it fits so well.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Have been following this thread. How has your tank worked out? I know you said something about the return fuel line from the fuel pump had to be figured out. Is that a non pressurized line? Could it feasibly "T" back into the line that leads from the tank to the fuel pump or do you have to do something else. That's a great tank to have seeing it fits so well.

I added this (2.99+2.99shipping) http://www.ebay.com/itm/222489193163?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT bulkhead fitting where the stock Pitster return was.
http://i.imgur.com/GCfgejC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6aIxrux.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/clE6L0O.jpg

The pitster fuel petcock is too wide at the bolt holes, so I ordered a rear exit petcock from this guy:($32) http://www.ebay.com/itm/162469341289?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Had to shorten the fuel line out of the tank and after the filter; relocating the filter slightly lower than stock:

http://i.imgur.com/D9EoCIH.jpg

These petcocks are awesome; easy to turn and a nice big metal handle for my clumsy hands. A little extra well spent IMHO.

[OUTERLIMITS]

I added this (2.99+2.99shipping) http://www.ebay.com/itm/222489193163?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT bulkhead fitting where the stock Pitster return was.
http://i.imgur.com/GCfgejC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6aIxrux.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/clE6L0O.jpg

The pitster fuel petcock is too wide at the bolt holes, so I ordered a rear exit petcock from this guy:($32) http://www.ebay.com/itm/162469341289?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Had to shorten the fuel line out of the tank and after the filter; relocating the filter slightly lower than stock:

http://i.imgur.com/D9EoCIH.jpg

These petcocks are awesome; easy to turn and a nice big metal handle for my clumsy hands. A little extra well spent IMHO.

Nice Job! How does the suspension seem? I know you mentioned you wanted heavier springs, but just wondering about the overall feel. My son has a KDX200 that is way too lightly sprung for me, but it still feels good and the wheels stay glued to the trail. The Pitster suspension seems pretty adjustable.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Nice Job! How does the suspension seem? I know you mentioned you wanted heavier springs, but just wondering about the overall feel. My son has a KDX200 that is way too lightly sprung for me, but it still feels good and the wheels stay glued to the trail. The Pitster suspension seems pretty adjustable.

The bike is very planted and "KTM" feeling. It reminds me of my 300XC that I raced for 2 seasons in sportsmans desert (8-9 years ago). I spent gobs of money on having Slavens tweak in my suspension on that bike. I really need to put some more hours on the Pitster Pro and tweak the suspension settings, but as it came out of the crate is quite good; a little harsh on slow speed sharp edges, but I may be able to tune that out; won't know until I get more time on it.

New rear spring is on its way; I just hope it fits.

[OUTERLIMITS]

The bike is very planted and "KTM" feeling. It reminds me of my 300XC that I raced for 2 seasons in sportsmans desert (8-9 years ago). I spent gobs of money on having Slavens tweak in my suspension on that bike. I really need to put some more hours on the Pitster Pro and tweak the suspension settings, but as it came out of the crate is quite good; a little harsh on slow speed sharp edges, but I may be able to tune that out; won't know until I get more time on it.

New rear spring is on its way; I just hope it fits.

Hopefully if you find it a little harsh on the slow stuff, it is just a little too deep into the travel and up against more resistant valving. This bike is starting to sound like a great singletrack play weapon. I guess it has a KTM feeling as the frames look almost identical from your pics......not a bad thing. I kinda wish they went with the linkless suspension, as it's perfect(and simple) for a trail bike.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I have about 300 miles on my LXR250f now and it seems to be pretty solid. I put a 15t front sprocket on it (JTF 432.15SC) for better top end, and configured a bracket for a side mounted aully park 1.3 gallon tank. I wasn't sure what KTM oversized tank would work best. Like I previously said, my valves were pretty snug right away. I adjusted them to .08mm like it was suggested for the RX3 and the bike runs much better now. It was stalling on deceleration, backfiring, and having an inconsistent idle. I wanted to used the bike more like a poor man's WR250r so I put Shinko 700s on it. Once the bike is broke in a little more I think I might use the RX3 oil filter w/ spring to try and help with the engine's longevity.

I also got tempted by the Hawk 250 bug last spring and have had one for over one year now. It is a solid cheap bike after you spend about $500 to get it set up right (carb. With proper jets, chain, sprockets, exhaust, mjstef cluster, etc). As far as quality goes it is nowhere near the LXR. I bought the LXR for $3000 during a sale, and am in almost $2000 on the Hawk.


Awesome to see another LXR out in the wild. Please continue to update us on anything you find/see/like/dislike about it.

I just ordered some KAYO parts via their store on Taobao. Clutch, cable, oil filters, etc. I'll share photos and a list when they arrive. Their website shows the throttle cable replacements, but I could not find the clutch cable replacement which I believe will be the "backup" part to have.

[BlackAcid]

Another good place to get parts for the bike is ALIEXPRESS. They seem to have all the replacement parts that could be needed for the nc250 zs177mm engine. The bike looks like it was just a rebranded KAYO T6. I forgot to mention that I also replaced the seat with a Seat Concepts foam and cover (28-0113-20-1000 KTM (2014-16) SX/SXF/EXC/XCW). It's not cruiser comfortable, but much improved over the 2x4.

[mjs91882]

I see people are plating them with South Dakota license plates hoping that they can then transfer the title and registration to there state. But a lot are unable because it tends to be classified as an off road bike. It's frustrating because there beautiful bikes and something I would be happy to have in upstate NY. But I'm betting the cops would love writing me tickets if I only SD plates but it registered in NY at my address. Unless I could come up with a story like I work in the winter in SD and they helped me out by making it easier to ride back there etc.

[pistolclass]

I see people are plating them with South Dakota license plates hoping that they can then transfer the title and registration to there state. But a lot are unable because it tends to be classified as an off road bike. It's frustrating because there beautiful bikes and something I would be happy to have in upstate NY. But I'm betting the cops would love writing me tickets if I only SD plates but it registered in NY at my address. Unless I could come up with a story like I work in the winter in SD and they helped me out by making it easier to ride back there etc.

NY and VT border each other. Go the VT route, then transfer to NY. That is more believable.

[mjs91882]

NY and VT border each other. Go the VT route, then transfer to NY. That is more believable.
Just realized that VT won't title them if they are under 300cc 😔

[ben2go]

Just realized that VT won't title them if they are under 300cc 😔
You transfer the registration to your state and then they title and reg the bike. That's how it works in my state. Not all states title bikes over 15 years old or under a certain cc.

[mjs91882]

You transfer the registration to your state and then they title and reg the bike. That's how it works in my state. Not all states title bikes over 15 years old or under a certain cc.

That's the problem! NY won't register it as far as I have been told because it has an off road title. The way around it is that VT will register it if it was a 300 or bigger but you have to go there so they can inspect it and then they will change the title to motorcycle. Then you get it titled in NY as a motorcycle and it becomes street legal. But as a 250 I can't do this. I could if I wanted to drive to South Dakota haha. They would do a 250cc and change it over since it road legal. Then it would become legal in NY. Ahh NY sucks!!

[culcune]

That's the problem! NY won't register it as far as I have been told because it has an off road title....Then it would become legal in NY.

You would probably be better off purchasing the SSR XF250 in your situation. Or a Hawk or Bashan, for that matter, but you do need to wrench more on those than others. There is a member who bought one of these Pitster Pro bikes as well, in New Jersey, and he went the SD route to get a plate. But in his case, he lives in the country, and was not planning on riding on the road very much, like commuting, but rather to get to the trails from his home. On top of that, he is a retired cop, so probably would get even less hassle than the minimal hassle anyone else would get out in his area.

[ben2go]

That's the problem! NY won't register it as far as I have been told because it has an off road title. The way around it is that VT will register it if it was a 300 or bigger but you have to go there so they can inspect it and then they will change the title to motorcycle. Then you get it titled in NY as a motorcycle and it becomes street legal. But as a 250 I can't do this. I could if I wanted to drive to South Dakota haha. They would do a 250cc and change it over since it road legal. Then it would become legal in NY. Ahh NY sucks!!

Your local HP office should be able to do a VIN verification letter for the VT route.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

The RaceTech spring for a 2012 KTM XC-F will fit the Fastace Pitster Pro LXR 250 shock:

http://i.imgur.com/NfJJu75.jpg

The part number is 6325xx where "xx" is the kg/mm (stiffness) you desire.

Set sag at 33% with gear on. Without gear I am on my toes now. Seriously considering buying the spacers to lower it 2" correctly now. I'm not a MX guy and don't think I'll ever need more than 10" of travel. Plus I'm old and slow anymore. Falling down seems like less and less fun every year... :)

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/LbyT4C8.jpg?1



http://i.imgur.com/wlaEsQD.jpg?1

Finally a day of pure riding. Installed an MT43 with a TuBliss system on the rear. Tire looks humongous! It is!

Great day in the mountains/desert near Cherry Creek. Lots of variety; everything from long sections of whoops to steeeep rocky goat trails to sand to cedar tree slaloms. :clap:

SPRING-
New rear spring has helped immensely. Bike corners very well now. No more worries about bottoming out on my footpegs. I was able to ride much more aggressively all day.

TANK-
Tank is a good fit. It's nice and narrow where you need to lock your knees on steep descents, but low enough that you can climb way forward on the seat during big climbs. On a few climbs I was all the way up against the gas cap!! As long as I could keep my weight forward there was nothing this bike wouldn't climb. And we did take on a few nasty climbs. I put 3.5 gallons in it, which just touches the "Acerbis" lettering on the side.

TIRE-
The MT43 is a DOT approved trials type tire. When combined with the TuBliss system it has an enormous foot-print after airing it down. I ran it at 7 psi today and that seemed perfect. In rough, rocky switchback climbs (where is impossible to carry much speed) it just gripped its way though.

http://i.imgur.com/saUbx6I.jpg?1


OVERALL BIKE-
The EFI continues to impress. I mean, who doesn't love a self tuning carburetor?? The area takes riders from 6000-7200 ft above sea level, which has caused me issues with 2-strokes in the past. The motor pulls well right up through red-line and the rev limiter is so smooth that on very steep all out climbs I just kept the bike pegged out. It just keeps on keeping on. The bike starts well in neutral, but sometimes struggles in 1st gear with the clutch pulled in; I've been chalking it up to tightness in the clutch slowing the starter a bit. MY hope is that it gets looser with break in.

The front forks were popping me up on doll-head to baby head sized rocks for the first few hours. We stopped and I took the time to pull the caps on the bottom of the forks and adjusted the clickers about 6 turns softer. This really helped keep the front end planted. The rear shock and spring were so good I never messed with them, but I am sure some tuning might be beneficial.

The only issue the Pitster had all day was a throttle that started to get sticky late in the day. It wasn't snapping back to closed, so i had to twist it back. This caused some arm pump and concern. I will dig into it and see if the return spring broke or got gummed up somehow. Luckily the bike has dual cables making it safe to ride out. My old 300 had a single cable that stuck open on me a few times! Man what a ride that was.

:clap:

http://i.imgur.com/TcZwM2L.jpg?1

So far I'm loving the Pitster Pro LXR250. Today's ride it showed itself to be a solid platform for a trail/enduro/desert all-around bike.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Thought I would mention that the throttle sticking issue turned out to be my fault. A combo of excess grip glue and dropping the bike allowing dirt to get jammed up the throttle tube caused the issue.
Pulled the assembly and cleaned the glue off with a razor blade and it snaps closed like it should now.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

:hmm:


http://i.imgur.com/GpBBKjW.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/pwtg0vk.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/8SHjAJT.jpg

[dpl096]

Nice !

[hertz9753]

As CSCDude would say, can we get a link?

http://www.pitsterpro.com/bike/overview/id/66

It's not cheap but I didn't think it would be with specs. The price is still less than a Honda CRF250L dual sport and Pitsterpro claims 32hp from that engine.

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http://www.pitsterpro.com/bike/overview/id/66

It's not cheap but I didn't think it would be with specs. The price is still less than a Honda CRF250L dual sport and Pitsterpro claims 32hp from that engine.

Seems like a real nice bike. I like the way that the KTM tank bolts right up. Seems like the closest thing to compare it to would be the AJP PR5, but that bike is another $1500 or so. They may even use the same engine as the AJP uses one made by Zongshen.

[Ron B]

very cool bike. good thing about the rx3 motor is you can get your oil filters and engine parts from CSC.

[2LZ]

very cool bike. good thing about the rx3 motor is you can get your oil filters and engine parts from CSC.

I wonder if the exhaust valves are easier to get at?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I wonder if the exhaust valves are easier to get at?

Will try and get some pictures when I jump into this; haven't been riding as much as I'd like.

With the dry conditions and high fire risk season we are having; I'm hesitant to get off the tarmac until I get the FMF Q4 mounted up. The good news is that the welding wire I ordered to weld the PP steel adapter to the FMF muffler arrived today. It should be a busy weekend in the garage!!:clap:

[pete]

PP steel... ??

do you mean stainless steel ?



...

[ChondaChondaChonda]

PP steel... ??

do you mean stainless steel ?



...

Uhh...

I should have clarified- the PP (Pitster Pro) header pipe clamp is steel.

The FMF muffler is stainless and the inlet is too big, so I am cutting the end off of the PP muffler to adapt the FMF to the PP. Some pictures will make it sensible. I hope. :wtf:

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Uhh...

I should have clarified- the PP (Pitster Pro) header pipe clamp is steel.

The FMF muffler is stainless and the inlet is too big, so I am cutting the end off of the PP muffler to adapt the FMF to the PP. Some pictures will make it sensible. I hope. :wtf:How much too big is it? In my younger days we used to cut sheet copper in a strip. When I did it I cut the end at a 45 degree angle, left the other end too long, and trimmed it for a good fit. Once I had to use two strips, one on top of the other to get a tight fit. I staggered the joins to reduce exhaust leakage...ARH

[ChondaChondaChonda]

ARH- this should answer your question;

This is the stock muffler and clamp. There is a thick exhaust gasket inside the end "bell".
http://i.imgur.com/G8wlOL7.jpg?1


Here is the stock muff next to the FMF. The inlet on the FMF is 51mm and the bell OD is 50mm. :clap:
http://i.imgur.com/XETX2Wx.jpg?1




I briefly considered using this adapter made for 2008+ Ninja 250 systems, but the angle was not coming out quite right and the small end wasn't *quite* going to stretch out enough to work. More clamps than necessary too.
http://i.imgur.com/wvW5hnX.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

A little chopsaw action and PRESTO; an FMF adapter!
http://i.imgur.com/xlU489a.jpg

The bell off the stock muffler is a perfect fit in the FMF end;
http://i.imgur.com/zz4qOo1.jpg?1

[ChondaChondaChonda]

As you can see above the FMF mounting holes are the same spacing as the stock muffler, but the Q4 FMF is much longer. So measured the difference and cut the bikes header pipe back the same amount;
http://i.imgur.com/gNxiz3z.jpg


Here is the "mock up" to see how things are going to fit:
http://i.imgur.com/kVuNSIf.jpg






I tack welded the end bell to the FMF, then pulled it all apart and bench welded the seam up with some Crown 309. The bell was extremely thin and in hindsight I should have used my tig. The wire feed welds are ok, but nothing to brag about. Here is the finished product:

http://i.imgur.com/1KbwO6O.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

The bike still has that mean bark when revved, but it is about 25% quieter when cruising along. My taste is for even quieter, but this is a big improvement over the stock straight pipe.

Going for a long ride on Monday on some 5 star single track and I will have a better idea how the FMF compares.

>:( Our fire season has been bad; we have 4-5 foot tall cheat grass on every hillside just waiting to burst into flames, so i am very happy to get the FMF and its USFS approved spark arrestor installed today. Wouldn't dare go off road without one.

[Border411]

New to the forums. This is one of the bikes I have been looking at, along with with SSR XF250 and PP XTR 250 LC. Yes, I know those are more of the "Dual Sport" variety of motorcycle. Did you ever consider those? Where did you get this bike on sale for that price?!

I have always been a Honda XR kind of a guy, but in the used market you never know what you are buying. That is why I am looking at NEW in the $2000-$3000 range. Really want something that can be registered for street use, just so I dont have to put it in my truck. Wonder how hard it would be to get this listed for street use in VA? Anyone know why PP says these arent for street use (what is the hang-up)? Sorry for the quasi-thread hijack, but didnt know where else to post these questions.

[culcune]

I think the best road bike would be the SSR, which would include daily commuting if that is one of your uses you had in mind. Chondachondachonda can confirm, but I believe the Pitster bikes' seats are not commuter friendly. I recall a member from a few years back who lives in Alaska had the XTR model and complained about the seat. However, the Pitster bikes are the closest you will get to a Honda; the SSR's engine is a near clone of the Suzuki thumper found in their TU250 bike, if you don't mind a Suzuki.

I am not sure how easy it is to get a SSR via mail-order if you don't have a physical dealer nearby (I recall T-BoltUSA and one of the big mail-order companies Superiorpowersports or Powersportsmax used to offer them via mail-order), whereas the Pitster bikes can be ordered direct from Pitster. The SSR is 50 state legal as an 'on-highway bike' (including California, which is ironic since the actual Suzuki TU250 is NOT California legal) whereas the Pitster Pro is EPA certified as off-road. Certifying bikes for off-road is much easier process, whereas certifying a bike as 'highway legal' is much more intensive. Many states allow for 'converting' off-road bikes to street-legal status by adding a minimum of street equipment, so my guess is Pitster felt that was good enough for the majority of its buyers, and did not feel the few states which it is not legal to do so was not worth the expense and hassle to make their products street legal. That being said, you don't have to 'convert' these bikes since they already have the street equipment built in. The numerous members who bought RPS Hawks and Magicians have been successfully registering and plating them in states all over, including a Hawk or two registered in New Jersey (the Hawk and Magician are very streetable, but their importer has not bothered to get them EPA certified for on-road, so the members are plating them as 'converted' dirt bikes) so you would need to research VA members who have registered the Hawk there. Check this thread http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=17919 on all the states where people have successfully plated a Hawk, which might give you an indication of how successful you might be in VA. It would all depend on laws on plating converted dirt bikes.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

New to the forums. This is one of the bikes I have been looking at, along with with SSR XF250 and PP XTR 250 LC. Yes, I know those are more of the "Dual Sport" variety of motorcycle. Did you ever consider those? Where did you get this bike on sale for that price?!

I have always been a Honda XR kind of a guy, but in the used market you never know what you are buying. That is why I am looking at NEW in the $2000-$3000 range. Really want something that can be registered for street use, just so I dont have to put it in my truck. Wonder how hard it would be to get this listed for street use in VA? Anyone know why PP says these arent for street use (what is the hang-up)? Sorry for the quasi-thread hijack, but didnt know where else to post these questions.

I walked right into their headquarters and asked a few questions. They let me take a demo for a ride. The demo was advertised locally as for sale; when I pushed him on the price he admitted that he would prefer that I just take one in the box so he didn't need to setup a new demo bike. At this point he offered me the new in the box bike at less than the demo bike price.

Fellow XR guy here; I told the guy at Pitster that if the 250 LC had a 6-speed it would be my bike of choice. He is going to request 6 speed version for the future. The 5 speed has been retained to keep the kick starter, but these push start so easily it's really not necessary. If you look at my other threads you find one where I put the Zong w/5 speed into my '96 CR125 chassis. I'd probably still be riding it if it had a 6 speed. Here in the mountain west I NEED a low first gear and a highway gear on the same bike.

The seats a non-issue. Every bike I've ever owned at any price needed a little work on the saddle to make things right. The Pitster seat is better than the seat on my KTM690; that might as well be a 2x4 with nails sticking out of it. I usually pull the covers off an repad with a high density carpet pad scrap- I like a firm saddle. I think the manufacturers all go soft so it *feels* good on the showroom floor. 12 hours in any saddle that is soft kills my ass.

On street legality; I know nothing about VA laws. Here it was as easy as pie. PP probably states that they are not for street use as a liability cover. Even when I asked in person, they were quite vague about the ability to license it. My guess is that their insurance policy explicitly states that they are only selling off-road vehicles. They have been around long enough that surely some lawyer has taken a shot at them.

The 250 LC and this LXR 250 seem to be built with a higher grade suspension than any of the Red, Yellow, Blue brand "play" bikes. When the 250LC has a 6 speed I will be buying one of those too.

Hope that helps.

[Border411]

Thanks everyone......I am a cop and wouldnt want to piss off my brothers in blue by making them have to leave their fishing holes to pull me over to check on legality!

I am still a LOOOOONG ways off from buying. Putting money towards my daughters college, and paying off my new Honda Ridgeline will be primary. I over research literally everything, so I started early so I can start to plan money wise. Trying to sell my paintball gear now as I dont play anymore. Commuting in the DC area is like running a gauntlet, so "street legal" would just so that I can drive to the trails rather than throwing it in the back of the truck. Hoping all this OT calms down so I can actually spend time with my family, and I though a bike likes one of these and a cheap ATV/side-by-side would be perfect for my wife and 6year old. I appreciate all of information. I really appreciate the PM Chonda!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/FQyFtFB.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/n1TZEIo.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/m5gcXK4.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/UAsZQAa.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/TZrEtd1.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/kuPXRWf.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/0OT2z5W.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/Mp2vsrf.jpg

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Great pics!

[Border411]

Really nice pictures! I went to my DMV... And they said they had no idea how to make it street legal. They advised me to call DMV in Richmond to ask how to do it. Typical DMV!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Really nice pictures! I went to my DMV... And they said they had no idea how to make it street legal. They advised me to call DMV in Richmond to ask how to do it. Typical DMV!


My thoughts on titling... most all states are part of interstate compact agreements- they use this to report driving violations to each other; they also require each other to accept title documents from other states. So if you took the MSO (Manufacturers Statement of Origin) to a DMV in a moto-friendly state, they will send you a title in a few weeks; when it comes time to renew just take the official title you now have to your DMV.

Since its just a used bike purchase now, I doubt they would even blink at it. Here it would require a LEO or DMV official to verify the VIN and ensure its not on the stolen item lists.

Of course, if in Californistan forget about it. The whole green sticker thing will trip that one up.

Disclaimer; I am not a lawyer nor do I have any legal training or even much sense. All ideas above are just pouring out of my head without any critical thinkin. May cause diarrhea, vomiting, erectile dysfunction, or extreme motorcycle separation anxiety (EMSA). Consult your physician before trying.

:doh:

[ChondaChondaChonda]

The Voyager is an awesome tool that I am moving over from my old bike. It does GPS tracks, maps, has a speedometer, tachometer, temp gauge, does trending, etcccc...


Must have item for me. Usually it replaces the stock dash. I pulled the stock dash out and unplugged everything to prep for the swap. I even test started the motor and it runs without the dash. But, the stock dash is really light and I quite like it, so I put it back in and decided to run both.

View from the drivers seat:

http://i.imgur.com/kEDccC1.jpg


View from the front(headlight removed):

http://i.imgur.com/TONtAtv.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

http://i.imgur.com/jHLCyFu.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Getting into do the valve adjustment is pretty quick and easy. Pull the seat with one bolt, then pull the tank with one bolt and remove the fuel line. To get to the exhaust side, there is also one bolt to remove the horn.

Access isn't perfect, but it's far better than past bikes I've had.

http://i.imgur.com/O2YqOXs.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/cUhtUGI.jpg

It might be worth pulling the radiator fan, but I was able to get the feeler gauges in OK. This is definitely a place where small hands are better, but my thick stubbies just fit.

I recorded the as found on each, then set the clearance to .063mm , which is 0.0025" inches and as close as I had to the spec without being too tight. It is unbelievable that the clearances are so small. But if CSC and AJP both say so, who am I to question it??

http://i.imgur.com/TvhAr1t.jpg

It started right up and sounds good.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Really nice pictures! I went to my DMV... And they said they had no idea how to make it street legal. They advised me to call DMV in Richmond to ask how to do it. Typical DMV!There is a cardinal rule in dealing with buroughcrats 'Never ask a question unless you already know the answer, and it is favorable to you'. ...ARH

[ChondaChondaChonda]

What is the top gps recorded speed that you have achieved, or have you tried?


Now that I have a way to safely do so; with stock 13/51 gearing the Pitster Pro LXR250 EFI has a top speed of 76 mph on a hot day at 4900ft asl. Temperature was about 98 F most of the time. Too hot for me.

I'd wager that it would eek out a few more mph on a cooler day or lower altitude, but it was near the rev limiter.

http://i.imgur.com/zuC0Cqq.jpg?1


http://i.imgur.com/Qfq4ifb.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Tried out my 15t front sprocket today. This is the sprocket you want for making this bike a good all-arounder. It still has good take off power, but cruises at 45-65mph so much better than the 13/51 stock setup. No doubt one could ride all day at 65mph with no issues.

I ran down to the interstate by my house to see how much the 15t sprocket helped top end speed. Here's the stats: 260lb rider, 15/51, altitude 4900 or so, 86-88F temp, top speed attained was 79 mph. Going the other way there was a stiff headwind and the best I could do was 76 mph. No doubt a smaller rider could hit 80+.

Sprockets are the same as a Suzuki DRZ400. PBI 650 series is my preference. I have a 650-15 and a 650-12 now. The 15 fits with no clearance issues except a small piece of plastic from the chain wear guard that needs to be trimmed off:
http://i.imgur.com/CtzMUR4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7gATwt5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9YrHQtW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Qmx3ySY.jpg


This is probably the fastest I will ever ride this bike. It handles well on concrete freeway with lines in it, but this is not what the bike was built for. The less slab I ride the better, plus I prefer 60 mph cruising speeds. More than 60 is just too much wind, noise and vibration.

Vibration at speed is a concern. The bars do vibrate more than I like. Is it possible that it may calm down as it breaks in??

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I just swapped out to a 12 tooth front sprocket and will take it out for a test in a few hours when it cools off.

This is the sprocket I plan to use for the next few thousand miles. I am planning a trip that will be linking together some of the most difficult and remote trails and single track I have ever done. (1450+ miles total )

It will be a big test for the Pitster and for my old bod. I promise to post more details when we get closer to launch.


Love PBI quality:
http://i.imgur.com/IQNaewG.jpg

[BlackBike]

Yes , best to get the trip done asap...while your both still young

Valves...sorted!

Voyager...niceand big fonts:tup:

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I just swapped out to a 12 tooth front sprocket and will take it out for a test in a few hours when it cools off.

This is the sprocket I plan to use for the next few thousand miles. I am planning a trip that will be linking together some of the most difficult and remote trails and single track I have ever done. (1450+ miles total )

It will be a big test for the Pitster and for my old bod. I promise to post more details when we get closer to launch.


Love PBI quality:
http://i.imgur.com/IQNaewG.jpg

Very cool. I'll be watching for that with great interest. Have been very interested in this bike as well as the air cooled XTR so it will be interesting to see how the bike does on a long trip like that.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Yes , best to get the trip done asap...while your both still young

Valves...sorted!

Voyager...niceand big fonts:tup:
:)

Well, *ONE* of us is still young. But ain't this meatsack. If I survive at all it will be a miracle. I'm not too worried about the youngster(Pitster) making it.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Very cool. I'll be watching for that with great interest. Have been very interested in this bike as well as the air cooled XTR so it will be interesting to see how the bike does on a long trip like that.


:clap:

I'm very excited. Just spent countless hours going over routes, some of which will change due to fires. Still need to tie up a few loose ends on the bike. Trip starts August 31st so there is still time.

I took the right side radiator into Mylers Radiator repair today to get the Trail Tech temperature sensor installed. Unfortunately the LXR250 doesn't have a 6mm threaded port like some bikes come with. It also needs a little straightening from a crash early on when the stock tank offered no protection.

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:clap:

I'm very excited. Just spent countless hours going over routes, some of which will change due to fires. Still need to tie up a few loose ends on the bike. Trip starts August 31st so there is still time.

I took the right side radiator into Mylers Radiator repair today to get the Trail Tech temperature sensor installed. Unfortunately the LXR250 doesn't have a 6mm threaded port like some bikes come with. It also needs a little straightening from a crash early on when the stock tank offered no protection.

Doing the routes is very fun, I love that stuff. I'm hoping to do a giant loop type of ride with my son one of these days, but still trying to figure out the best bikes to use. Are you planning to camp along the way or do overnighters at a motel?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Doing the routes is very fun, I love that stuff. I'm hoping to do a giant loop type of ride with my son one of these days, but still trying to figure out the best bikes to use. Are you planning to camp along the way or do overnighters at a motel?

Should be a decent mix of both. Not making reservations past the first few days, so there might be some forced camp nights. We did a loop last year called the Utah 670 and it was a blast. 670 miles of everything from forests to what looks like the surface of mars. (We actually went by the NASA mars training facility.)

Make it or break it; it is always an adventure! Our goal for every trip is simple; try not to get shot at!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Rode all morning to the end of legal moto trail ending up on a pass at 9600 ft overlooking Alta Ski resort.

http://i.imgur.com/y8Gv4tJ.jpg


This sign marks the end of moto trail, but Mtn bikers and hikers can keep going.

http://i.imgur.com/m4vAqGs.jpg

Lots of this:
http://i.imgur.com/SwNgz0I.jpg



And some sidehills of great concern like this:
http://i.imgur.com/mW2ePRE.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Whacked my chain guard on a rock. I was running the chain a little loose and found myself having to stop and make a quick repair. Made a hasty retreat and headed home to avoid further issues.

http://i.imgur.com/UNakhG0.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

We decided to ride Provo Loop, which is one of the toughest single track rides in the state (aside from the Aptly named 5-miles of Hell).

Not a ton of pictures because most of the time it was all I could do to keep my bike on the narrow rocky goat trail that almost constantly had a several thousand foot drop off awaiting if mistakes were made. Very tiring. Over 9800 ft elevation at one point going over Cascade Saddle.

http://i.imgur.com/iHy0m4U.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/sldXrLx.jpg


My buddies awesome XR hybrid.
http://i.imgur.com/r8y4ncb.jpg




I wish all trails were marked this well:

http://i.imgur.com/CX4UHbD.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/yKggY3V.jpg


Spectacular trail. I'm so sore today I almost can't function. Words cannot do this trail justice. The sheer danger, huge drops, log sawing, trail repair and mostly 1st gear toughness of this trail are epic. Big thanks to my riding partner, without whom I would probably still be out there trying to get over some roots or down some cliff face.

The Pitster never missed a beat. Ran perfectly all day, even after I abused it hard. They run great completely upside down and won't die. It also did the coolest whiskey throttle flip you'll never see. from 6000 ft to 9800 foot mark the motor was excellent.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Wanted to try a little video. Nothing too exciting, just a shakedown run on a new little cam Amazon has for $34. (Wosport)

https://youtu.be/PE-qdFFx0f0

[dh]

That looks like a great camera for the money. Nice riding you have up there too.

[BlackBike]

http://i.imgur.com/mW2ePRE.jpg

love it, now your talkin !!!

your killin it with that "lame, low quality, bad welds, poorly designed, no warranty, and any other remark that has been said about these" china bike, and sounds like your killing yourself too.

thanks for sharing all the great photos !!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

love it, now your talkin !!!

your killin it with that "lame, low quality, bad welds, poorly designed, no warranty, and any other remark that has been said about these" china bike, and sounds like your killing yourself too.

thanks for sharing all the great photos !!


:D:D:D I almost blew drink out my nose!! :lmao:

Lots of our riding is like that, but I don't often stop to take photos- sometimes I don't dare.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

https://youtu.be/5NFz23ystIM


Taking on an easy check-over ride. Also, because of the little bit of rain I didn't want to cause any erosion issues...so just a mellow ride.

[Sochin]

Sure sounds good.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

So remember a few pictures back where I wrecked my chain guide on a rock??

I called PP and they wanted $75 plus $15 shipping for a chain guide which is nuts expensive. My hunch is that they didn't understand what part I was looking for (at least I hope so).

After mucho time looking through images of chain guides I though the crf230 guide looked close, so we dropped by a Honda dealer with a tape measure. Turns out that they were sold out of 230s... but we noticed the CRF150R and immediately recognized the chain guide. It was *exactly* the same. Honda wanted $24.95 for the plastic part and $17 for the aluminum.

I decided to go up another step and bought a TMDesignworks guide for our upcoming trip; I really don't want something as simple as the chain guide to ruin our efforts. It arrived an hour ago and bolted right up!!

http://i.imgur.com/9FMfLnk.jpg


Also went for a new sprocket from PBI while I was doing the rear tire:
http://i.imgur.com/TWixBPP.jpg

The new rear tire is a massive 120/100-18 Shinko 505 Cheater:
http://i.imgur.com/EltrQxN.jpg

I had to install some spacer bushings to move the muffler over so that this beast will clear everything!! Should provide maximum traction!

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So remember a few pictures back where I wrecked my chain guide on a rock??

I called PP and they wanted $75 plus $15 shipping for a chain guide which is nuts expensive. My hunch is that they didn't understand what part I was looking for (at least I hope so).

After mucho time looking through images of chain guides I though the crf230 guide looked close, so we dropped by a Honda dealer with a tape measure. Turns out that they were sold out of 230s... but we noticed the CRF150R and immediately recognized the chain guide. It was *exactly* the same. Honda wanted $24.95 for the plastic part and $17 for the aluminum.

I decided to go up another step and bought a TMDesignworks guide for our upcoming trip; I really don't want something as simple as the chain guide to ruin our efforts. It arrived an hour ago and bolted right up!!

http://i.imgur.com/9FMfLnk.jpg


Also went for a new sprocket from PBI while I was doing the rear tire:
http://i.imgur.com/TWixBPP.jpg

The new rear tire is a massive 120/100-18 Shinko 505 Cheater:
http://i.imgur.com/EltrQxN.jpg

I had to install some spacer bushings to move the muffler over so that this beast will clear everything!! Should provide maximum traction!

Love how you're finding all these parts for other bikes that bolt right up :tup:

How is the suspension feeling these days for you on the single track?

[Border411]

That rear tire is freaking huge!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Love how you're finding all these parts for other bikes that bolt right up :tup:

How is the suspension feeling these days for you on the single track?

I really like the suspension. I'm a lower mid-level rider and I like it on the softer side. With a few adjustments it is much better than anyone would expect a China bike to be. The bike is surely more capable than I am.

You reminded me of two other things I figured out parts swap wise.

The rear sprockets are standard Honda/Yamaha 6 bolt sprockets. Same as CRF250 and 450s.

I lost a front spoke somewhere along my travels.. I have now gone over all the spokes and tightened them up. For a replacement spoke I have a '96 CR125 chassis in my shed. The front wheel is a match. The rotor looks to be the same. I pulled a spoke out of the '96 front wheel and it bolted right into the Pitster wheel- even has the right thread.

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Not tons of info on this bike on the internet, but there are tons of youtube videos of the Kayo K6 which I believe is the exact same bike. Unfortunately, all of those are in different languages, but you can get a good feel for what the bike is all about. There are also a lot of videos of the Kayo T4, which is the same as the Pitster Pro XTR 250 air cooled bike.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Yep, wish I spoke Russian ; they have a video showing how to make the 250 a 300cc bike. But I can't glean much from it.

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Chonda, I'm curious as to whether simple parts are available for this bike directly from Pitster. I was thinking about things like oil filters and it looks like your bike might have a rather long oil filter on the bottom of the engine like the CSC RX3. I noticed that those filters look like they can be bought off Aliexpress, but they are $12 or so. I wouldn't mind waiting on parts as long as there is a source for them. Hoping that Pitster is a reliable source for the high wear items, but worldwide it looks like there are many, many Kayo's out there on the trails. I just haven't tracked down a good source for Kayo parts yet, but I'm sure it's out there.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Chonda, I'm curious as to whether simple parts are available for this bike directly from Pitster. I was thinking about things like oil filters and it looks like your bike might have a rather long oil filter on the bottom of the engine like the CSC RX3. I noticed that those filters look like they can be bought off Aliexpress, but they are $12 or so. I wouldn't mind waiting on parts as long as there is a source for them. Hoping that Pitster is a reliable source for the high wear items, but worldwide it looks like there are many, many Kayo's out there on the trails. I just haven't tracked down a good source for Kayo parts yet, but I'm sure it's out there.

I ordered a batch of stuff from TaoBao; I found Kayo's web store on TaoBao and ordered quite a few things including a new piston, cylinder and head; spare clutch, fuel pump, O2 sensor, mud guard, and some other misc stuff. Pretty much covered for a few years. :clap:

Pitster seems to be stocking alot of the parts. I walked in a few weeks ago and got a new front brake lever and a shifter for reasonable $. The parts guys were enthusiastic about this bike and said that they planned to increase inventory for it.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I was thinking about things like oil filters and it looks like your bike might have a rather long oil filter on the bottom of the engine like the CSC RX3. I noticed that those filters look like they can be bought off Aliexpress, but they are $12 or so.

The filters are the same size, but the Pitster uses a stainless steel mesh that is cleanable and re-useable. I bought some of the paper style from TaoBao, but the Pitster filter seems better to me.

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I ordered a batch of stuff from TaoBao; I found Kayo's web store on TaoBao and ordered quite a few things including a new piston, cylinder and head; spare clutch, fuel pump, O2 sensor, mud guard, and some other misc stuff. Pretty much covered for a few years. :clap:

Pitster seems to be stocking alot of the parts. I walked in a few weeks ago and got a new front brake lever and a shifter for reasonable $. The parts guys were enthusiastic about this bike and said that they planned to increase inventory for it.

Very cool, I had not looked through TaoBao before. It also looks like AJP uses the same engine in their PR5, but also the Delphi EFI rather than the Kayo. This must be a pretty solid engine if it's also used by AJP and CSC as well. I think there are guys here getting 15-25k miles on the CSC RX3 engine, but I believe it is a little detuned comparatively to the Pitster LXR. Something else that crossed my mind was that if the frame is a KTM copy and that you have been able to bolt up an Acerbis tank for a KTM, there might be different seat foam or seat kits that fit from places like Seat Concepts/Guts/Enduro Engineering etc.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Very cool, I had not looked through TaoBao before. It also looks like AJP uses the same engine in their PR5, but also the Delphi EFI rather than the Kayo. This must be a pretty solid engine if it's also used by AJP and CSC as well. I think there are guys here getting 15-25k miles on the CSC RX3 engine, but I believe it is a little detuned comparatively to the Pitster LXR. Something else that crossed my mind was that if the frame is a KTM copy and that you have been able to bolt up an Acerbis tank for a KTM, there might be different seat foam or seat kits that fit from places like Seat Concepts/Guts/Enduro Engineering etc.

I don't think this motor is much different than the CSC version, other than the tuning can be on the rich side because it doesn't meet CARB regs. The 31 hp on Pitsters spec sheet is probably innacurate; my hunch is the 27.5 hp figure is right.

The seat pan appears to be identical to the KTM. Seat Concepts has done me a good job on past seats, but I decided to use the information on this guys website to roll my own: http://diymotorcycleseat.com/

The new seat is about 2" lower and has sit bone relief and a "Purple" sample pad for a tailbone relief. My shaping skills suck, so I haven't posted anything about it. It looks a little lumpy, but it seems to work. I'll take a few pics of the LXR fully loaded for our 10 days of goat trails trip. We leave next week, so it's been a hectic week!!

There is a TM Designworks skidplate on it's way from MA that I sincerely hope gets here before we leave. The part # is KTMC-250-BK and fitment is still up in the air.

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I don't think this motor is much different than the CSC version, other than the tuning can be on the rich side because it doesn't meet CARB regs. The 31 hp on Pitsters spec sheet is probably innacurate; my hunch is the 27.5 hp figure is right.

The seat pan appears to be identical to the KTM. Seat Concepts has done me a good job on past seats, but I decided to use the information on this guys website to roll my own: http://diymotorcycleseat.com/

The new seat is about 2" lower and has sit bone relief and a "Purple" sample pad for a tailbone relief. My shaping skills suck, so I haven't posted anything about it. It looks a little lumpy, but it seems to work. I'll take a few pics of the LXR fully loaded for our 10 days of goat trails trip. We leave next week, so it's been a hectic week!!

There is a TM Designworks skidplate on it's way from MA that I sincerely hope gets here before we leave. The part # is KTMC-250-BK and fitment is still up in the air.

Really interested in seeing how the bike works out for you on a long trip like that. I've ridden 4 day trips in Baja before and although the bike has always been flawless, my body is kinda "done" at that point....lots of single track as well. Good on you for tackling that ride :tup:

[ChondaChondaChonda]

*I think the front brake pads are the same as a '85-'87 Honda Rebel 250. The EBC part number is FA86HH for sintered pads.* Have a set on the way, so we can see for sure.

1443+ miles in 10 days is going to hurt for sure.. I will post a link to my Delorme Track for those interested when the day gets close.

[pete]

1443+ miles in 10 days is going to hurt for sure.. I will post a link to my Delorme Track for those interested when the day gets close.



You will be ok....
On the DB1k & now the DB1.4K
DB1k 1000km in 2 days
DB1.4K 1400km in 3 days...
both are around 80% offroad , 4wd tracks & back roads


..

[ChondaChondaChonda]

The TM Designworks Skidplate showed up today and we jumped into action to get it put on. This was the last item before the bikes get loaded and we head North into the wilderness of Idaho!

The plastic skid plate went on well mostly using the bike's stock skid mounting locations. We drilled a single hole in the front mount and two on the rear mount. The factory mounts are much stronger than the 'frame clips' that come with the skidplate. So it didn't "bolt up", but it's not far from a bolt up.

http://i.imgur.com/GkdzM2S.jpg

Excellent water pump protection!



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[ChondaChondaChonda]

Here are a couple shots of the way I moved the exhaust over to clear this massive tire:

http://i.imgur.com/JWjjcM2.jpg


It is rubbing the mud guard:

http://i.imgur.com/1j4E12R.jpg

Dash layout for the trip; added a heavy duty USB port to charge phone and run the little auxiliary light (1250 lumens!)

http://i.imgur.com/Lv8kltP.jpg


My trusty Giant Loop bag wouldn't mount on the bars, so I moved it to the number plate. I know it looks dorky, but for a trip like this I need the quick access to phone, camera, saltchews, etc...

http://i.imgur.com/oiWGLe7.jpg

[ChondaChondaChonda]

For those who want to follow along on our adventure here is the link to our map. It shows the planned routes and once we get underway it will plot our tracks. We launch officially Friday September 1st.

https://share.garmin.com/CoreyH

(Double click on the bundle of red flags to get the map to where you can see details)

The key at the top explains thus: 1400+ mile trip from Utah Border to near Canada. Main route switches yellow to purple each day. Blue are alternates, Red are Challenge Sections. We must complete 2 CSs during our trip.


In the 10+ years that this challenge has existed only 47 riders have been awarded finisher status. It is estimated to have a less than 10% completion rate. It will be quite a challenge for any bike and rider to make it without any mechanical, navigational, or physical issues. To do it on a china bike will surely be a first. I just hope my old body is up to the task.

Any good karma we can get from the great folks on this board will be much appreciated!!

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Wow, didn't know that was a competitive event. It looks awesome, you're going to have a great time. Best of luck, hope bike and body hold up for you with no major issues :tup:

[hertz9753]

Is CoreyH the same guy as Cory Hart the Canadian singer and musician?

[Border411]

"I wear my sunglasses at night"

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I get that alot. That, or Corey Haim of Goonies fame. One coworker called me that for so long that new people actually thought it was my real name.

[hertz9753]

You should have lied and kept my brush with greatness dream alive. Lol

https://youtu.be/-4pg6Jh94Lo

[ChondaChondaChonda]

You should have lied and kept my brush with greatness dream alive. Lol


Maybe I did. Have to keep my cover up.

[BlackBike]

I get that alot. That, or Corey Haim of Goonies fame. One coworker called me that for so long that new people actually thought it was my real name.

That's what they will call you on the trail for being the only China bike, the goonie.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Day1 is finished.

Had a strange thing happen with the clutch. We had been riding hard and the motor was running about 220 on my temp screen. The nastiest Hill of the day and I was just about over the worst of it when I suddenly list the clutch. Grabbed front brake and slid backwards quite a way ending in a minor crash.

The motor case sides were so hot you could cook an egg on them. I tried adjusting the cable, but no luck.

We opened up the clutch and inspected it- the plates and fibers looked good. All the parts were so hot we had to wear our gloves to handle them.
We decided that the outer pressure plate wasn't clamping down all the way. We pulled the shim that the clutch bearing rides on and I had to adjust the cable back to its original position, but it worked and we got over that hill and through the many more climbs today.

Could excessive oil temp have caused the clutch push rods to lengthen to the point where the clutch started slipping, which caused the high temperature?

We will try to figure out a fix in the morning.

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Day1 is finished.

Had a strange thing happen with the clutch. We had been riding hard and the motor was running about 220 on my temp screen. The nastiest Hill of the day and I was just about over the worst of it when I suddenly list the clutch. Grabbed front brake and slid backwards quite a way ending in a minor crash.

The motor case sides were so hot you could cook an egg on them. I tried adjusting the cable, but no luck.

We opened up the clutch and inspected it- the plates and fibers looked good. All the parts were so hot we had to wear our gloves to handle them.
We decided that the outer pressure plate wasn't clamping down all the way. We pulled the shim that the clutch bearing rides on and I had to adjust the cable back to its original position, but it worked and we got over that hill and through the many more climbs today.

Could excessive oil temp have caused the clutch push rods to lengthen to the point where the clutch started slipping, which caused the high temperature?

We will try to figure out a fix in the morning.

Anything new on this? I'm guessing you are continuing on with your fix from the day before. Hoping this works out for you and can carry you the rest of the way.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Anything new on this? I'm guessing you are continuing on with your fix from the day before. Hoping this works out for you and can carry you the rest of the way.

I have a theory... it only happens when we do an extremely long climb and then hit a steeper climb; I think the clutch Springs are getting weak when the oil is too hot, combined with the clutch rod growing the pressure plate starts slipping, which makes more heat...
It did well today. No issues since we put the thrust washer back and ground a mm off the push rod.
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I have a theory... it only happens when we do an extremely long climb and then hit a steeper climb; I think the clutch Springs are getting weak when the oil is too hot, combined with the clutch rod growing the pressure plate starts slipping, which makes more heat...
It did well today. No issues since we put the thrust washer back and ground a mm off the push rod.
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I wonder what engine is the closest cousin that you may be able to find some heavier clutch springs for.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I like the way you think.
Will be looking after we either finish this ride, or it finishes us.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

I wonder what engine is the closest cousin that you may be able to find some heavier clutch springs for.I don't know the construction of your clutch, but, so far, there are really only two ways to dis-engage a multi-plate motor cycle clutch. A push rod, operated by a lever, from the opposite side, or a screw operated ramp, often from the same side as the clutch. Almost all interpose a ball between the ramp or lever and the actual release mechanism. If the adjuster on the crankcase does not have enough clearance (1/8th of an inch), the ball locks, while hot, to the release mechanism. This allows the internal mechanism to get extremely hot, which makes the metal grow, and semi release the clutch, causing slippage. Of course, as the clutch slips it gets hotter and hotter. This could be aggravated by a machining burr in the lever housing, or inadequete spring tension on the outside lever on top of the crankcase...ARH

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I don't know the construction of your clutch, but, so far, there are really only two ways to dis-engage a multi-plate motor cycle clutch. A push rod, operated by a lever, from the opposite side, or a screw operated ramp, often from the same side as the clutch. Almost all interpose a ball between the ramp or lever and the actual release mechanism. If the adjuster on the crankcase does not have enough clearance (1/8th of an inch), the ball locks, while hot, to the release mechanism. This allows the internal mechanism to get extremely hot, which makes the metal grow, and semi release the clutch, causing slippage. Of course, as the clutch slips it gets hotter and hotter. This could be aggravated by a machining burr in the lever housing, or inadequete spring tension on the outside lever on top of the crankcase...ARH

That's a great explanation! I had a friend with an XR400 do an overnight ride with me and some others into baja. Somewhere before the end of the first day his clutch became so stiff that you couldn't pull it in for fear of breaking the cable and it made a horrible groaning sound if you did manage to pull it in. We had a number of other dirt bike riders look at it at the hotel and they all just kind of scratched their heads. He rode home the next day not using the clutch except from a stop. He replaced the clutch with new plates and such and all was well, but we never understood why it took such extreme pressure at the lever. I'm not a clutch guy at all, but it felt like the springs had turned to stone. He only replaced the drive and friction plates I believe and then all was well.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I just went over 10,420ft pass called Railroad Ridge which has a mountain range behind it called China Wall. Clutch is doing fine now. Zero issues after trimming the push rod.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

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[ChondaChondaChonda]

I just posted a picture of my China bike at China Wall on Chinariders... say THAT 5 times fast!

[pete]

I don't know the construction of your clutch, but, so far, there are really only two ways to dis-engage a multi-plate motor cycle clutch. A push rod, operated by a lever, from the opposite side, or a screw operated ramp, often from the same side as the clutch. Almost all interpose a ball between the ramp or lever and the actual release mechanism. If the adjuster on the crankcase does not have enough clearance (1/8th of an inch), the ball locks, while hot, to the release mechanism. This allows the internal mechanism to get extremely hot, which makes the metal grow, and semi release the clutch, causing slippage. Of course, as the clutch slips it gets hotter and hotter. This could be aggravated by a machining burr in the lever housing, or inadequete spring tension on the outside lever on top of the crankcase...ARH

or a rack & pinion .. that pulls the pressure plate...
ie.... XT660R / TTR250 & most Yamaha dirt bikes to name a very few..




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Chonda, any more updates?

[ChondaChondaChonda]

We made it to the Sundance Outlook this afternoon. The bike has been flawless since the little clutch issue. Nearly 1800 miles of abuse and it runs better now than when we left 10 days ago.

It has been an amazing trip. A few minor crashes, some close calls. Saw a grizzly cub in the wild. Saw bighorn sheep herd from about 30 yards away. Lots of elk and deer. 2 foxes. Rode some gnarly singletrack that was way above my skill level. Nearly broke my arm. Lots more than I can fit in a post.

If you look at my map link above you can zoom in and see all the trails we rode in 9 days of the challenge. The Pitster Pro not only did well, it rocked! As we progressed the bike seemed to finally break in and runs far better than the day we left. Many of the trails we did were first gear, death grip, don't fall off a cliff kind of trails-we averaged about 10 hours of riding per day. Day7 took us 16 hours to complete...

The bikes worst mileage was Day1 at 48mpg. Most days it did 55-59mpg. On a long transfer day crossing the Magruder Corridor it managed 61mpg.

The other thing I love about this bike is how well it chugs through at low rpm. Many climbs the bike lugged down and pulled me up some incredibly technical sections. This made me look aND feel like a better rider than I am. The bike inspired confidence, which is what I needed to complete this challenge.

[goat67]

Way to go! Post some more about it. Again great job. You accomplished something to be proud of.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

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This what 505 tires look like at 1800 miles. Mine is a 120, my buddies a 110.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Way to go! Post some more about it. Again great job. You accomplished something to be proud of.

Big thanks!

[OUTERLIMITS]

Wow, great job! Great to know the bike ran so well for you. That arm though....ouch!

Thanks for the pics and updates :tup:

[Border411]

This is seriously epic.... Congrats man!

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I did get a little video of a good trail on Day2:

https://youtu.be/Z9k3wxDjdvk

[OUTERLIMITS]

Fun looking trail!

[goat67]

That sure looked like a fun trail I can not imagine doing what you did at my age I do not know if I could withstand the abuse for that may days.

Sure looks fun though

[ChondaChondaChonda]

That sure looked like a fun trail I can not imagine doing what you did at my age I do not know if I could withstand the abuse for that may days.

Sure looks fun though

It was grueling at times and not something I would do again. The trail in the video was my favorite of the whole 9 days. It actually gets even better as it winds up into a deep forest and over a big pass.

Not many of the trails were as good. Lots of 1st Gear cliffhangers, which I don't enjoy. From here on out I only ride for fun!!

The bike only needs new tires and an oil/filter change and it could probably make the whole trip again... Can't say the same for my tired old bod. :lol:

[Ichrisbot]

Thanks for all the info. I was on the brink of getting one of these, although I'll likely wait until Black Friday or Christmas time to see if they get a big discount again. Almost $3,900 shipped is a little steep, $3000 would be absolutely killer. One of my local Bike shops is a Pitster dealer, wish I could test ride either the XTR or the LXR but unfortunately they only carry their little pit bikes.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

It was grueling at times and not something I would do again. The trail in the video was my favorite of the whole 9 days. It actually gets even better as it winds up into a deep forest and over a big pass.

Not many of the trails were as good. Lots of 1st Gear cliffhangers, which I don't enjoy. From here on out I only ride for fun!!

The bike only needs new tires and an oil/filter change and it could probably make the whole trip again... Can't say the same for my tired old bod. :lol:Your body will get over it. Next season you will be looking for more challanges!...ARH

[Ichrisbot]

Question for you, are the maintenance intervals on this motor more on the racing side of the spectrum, or on the dual-sport side? I figure if they're squeezing more HP out of the NC250 compared to the RX3, it's probably going to wear quite a bit quicker, but I'm not sure how raced out this motor is compared to, say, an mx bike.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Question for you, are the maintenance intervals on this motor more on the racing side of the spectrum, or on the dual-sport side? I figure if they're squeezing more HP out of the NC250 compared to the RX3, it's probably going to wear quite a bit quicker, but I'm not sure how raced out this motor is compared to, say, an mx bike.

My opinion (just that) is that the tiny bit of extra hp this bike claims is only from a difference in fuel delivery because it doesn't need to meet the CA emissions requirements. After my trip I noticed that the exhaust outlet was fairly well coated in a thin black soot, as you would expect running a horsepower tune.

I think the rest of the motor is the same as the NC250 in the RX3- camshaft, crank, etc.. This motor is not at all "raced out" compared to the orange, red and blue offerings; these guys are all offering 250s with 40+ hp and 14,000rpm power bands. Even if the LXR250 makes 31hp at 10k rpm; it is much less stressed than most other 250cc mx style bikes. One of the big reasons that I bought this bike was the "big guys" bragging about "100 hour rebuild intervals" on the bottom end!! I don't want a bike that costs $9k and needs a new bottom end just as I'm getting it broke in!!

With the 1.7 quart oil capacity and triple filter screens this bike leans more to the dual-sport end of the maintenance spectrum. Most RX3 folks seem to be using about 2000 mile oil change intervals. For normal use, I would feel comfortable doing the same on the LXR250. Remember EFI does keep the oil much cleaner than our old carbureted bikes ever would.

For "extreme" use it might be wise to change it at 1500 miles or so.

I like to use a good quality oil that has the "MA2" rating for wet clutches. During our long ride, the bike went over 1500 miles without an oil change. The motor never needed any added, even with running hard and hot 9-16 hours per day. I carried a bit of spare oil, but my partners bike ended up using it all.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Your body will get over it. Next season you will be looking for more challanges!...ARH

I fear you may be right! :tup:

[ChondaChondaChonda]

I do need to write up a better explanation on the Day1 clutch issues and what we found to resolve it; it was tough to convey everything typing on a phone in motel rooms with spotty wifi. Several posts never made it through.

[Ichrisbot]

I appreciate the insight, I just sold my KTM 200xc, that was an awesome bike but the maintenance was pretty frequent lol. Been looking for something with the build and suspension of a MX or enduro bike but with engine maintenance intervals closer to a dual sport. The KTM was way faster than I was by a longshot, so I don't need a screamin racing machine.

I emailed Pitster and they quoted me a great price on the LXR, $3300 shipped which I think is pretty killer. I'll have one on the way shortly, hopefully!

[Ariel Red Hunter]

I do need to write up a better explanation on the Day1 clutch issues and what we found to resolve it; it was tough to convey everything typing on a phone in motel rooms with spotty wifi. Several posts never made it through.Yes, I think we all would like to follow you through the whole clutch problem and successful cure....ARH

[ChondaChondaChonda]

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[Ichrisbot]

Mine was delivered today, got it all put together and very pleased so far. Going to be keeping a close eye on the clutch once I start riding this thing a little harder.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Mine was delivered today, got it all put together and very pleased so far. Going to be keeping a close eye on the clutch once I start riding this thing a little harder.

Awesome!!

One of things I did to get the clutch working/feeling correctly was to rotate the lever on the engine one spline back. It is easy to remove the clip and rotate it back. This puts the adjustment threads right in the middle, like they should be.

I'll try to post a few pics tomorrow. I'm sure you will love the bike after you get it baselined and broke in.

[JagLite]

I have put a link on ADV to this thread on the Pitster Pro LXR thread there because you have a lot of good information here.
Looking forward to more from you soon about the bike.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Thanks!

Got a link back?

I've been neglecting dirt bike things as work and my wife's hobbies and her volunteer work have taken over for the past 6 weeks.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Managed to make it down to the Pitster shop this weekend. Pleasantly surprised to find that they had everything I needed in stock; especially the clutch rod.

As you can see I trimmed a bit too much off during our trip. (New one is longer)

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So I put the new longer rod in and knew immediately that it wasn't going to work; I could not tighten the springs up because the clutch wasn't clamping down.

So, I took it back apart and added a full clutch steel and pad to the pack. It fit like it was designed to have one more set!! (I'll post a few pictures of it later) After adjusting the clutch cable, I took it for a spin and it feels about the same as it did before.

I'll need to take it on something more challenging than my back lawn to really say much more about it.

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Managed to make it down to the Pitster shop this weekend. Pleasantly surprised to find that they had everything I needed in stock; especially the clutch rod.

As you can see I trimmed a bit too much off during our trip. (New one is longer)

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So I put the new longer rod in and knew immediately that it wasn't going to work; I could not tighten the springs up because the clutch wasn't clamping down.

So, I took it back apart and added a full clutch steel and pad to the pack. It fit like it was designed to have one more set!! (I'll post a few pictures of it later) After adjusting the clutch cable, I took it for a spin and it feels about the same as it did before.

I'll need to take it on something more challenging than my back lawn to really say much more about it.

Wow, that's crazy. And yours had the correct number to start with? Good to know that Pitster had things like that in stock and ready to go. I'm still considering pulling the trigger on a pair of these for my son and I.

[ChondaChondaChonda]

Wow, that's crazy. And yours had the correct number to start with? Good to know that Pitster had things like that in stock and ready to go. I'm still considering pulling the trigger on a pair of these for my son and I.

I believe so. No way to be sure about how it should come.

The rod in stock really surprised me. They also had some new rear wheel seals and a set of fork seals. I have one that is barely starting to weep. I want to tear them down to see what is inside and put in some fresh fork oil.

[JerryHawk250]

I have one that is barely starting to weep. I want to tear them down to see what is inside and put in some fresh fork oil. Have you tried using a SealMate to clean the fork seal? I made one out of thin plastic from a plastic 2 liter bottle. Mine had started to seep a little. I cleaned it out and pumped the shocks a few times and it cleared up.
https://images.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/prod/275/m/mot_10_sea_mat_for_sea_cle.jpg
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