Starter problems

[Lit Hawk]

So I’m trying to get my start button working because kick starting it is a pain in the ass. I can jump the solenoid and it starts so I don’t think that’s the problem. I checked the wiring for continuity from start button all the way to solenoid and that’s good. If I hook up multimeter to ground and the yellow with red wire and I push start button it reads 12v. The pink wire has me confused I traced that to the clutch I don’t understand why that’s there but I have continuity all the way to the solenoid from the pink wire. Help please

[timcosby]

do you pull the clutch in to start it? i think you have to

[BMF]

Yeah, if it's in gear mine will not start when I push the button. Thank god. :)

[Megadan]

You can jump the solenoid and it turns over, meaning you are bypassing the internals of the solenoid and completing the circuit. Have you tested the solenoid itself? See if it gets continuity when you apply power to the coil.

[Lit Hawk]

Yeah I guess I need a new solenoid. I got constant 12v when I put multimeter to the positive side of solenoid but if I put it on the other side and pressstart button I get nothing. I wasn’t sure that if I Jumped it it could still be faulty only thing throwing me off is I put an old solenoid from junk 4 wheeler on it and it still didn’t work. Not sure how to test solenoid by itself for continuity. I guess I’ll just order another and hope that works.ill order another one now there only like $8 so we will see. There is no way it would need the clutch pulled in to start but the way it’s hooked up that’s what it seems. Weird that the pink wire goes to the clutch. Anyone know what the two wires coming out of clutch are for?

[timcosby]

to keep it from starting without the clurch pulled in

[Lit Hawk]

Timcosby You gotta be yanking my chain, right?:wtf:

[JerryHawk250]

Anyone know what the two wires coming out of clutch are for?
That is a safety switch so the bike won't start if the bikes in gear. If the bikes in gear you will have to pull the clutch to start.

[Porkchop41]

I found a clutch diode in the harness under the tank that kept blowing on mine . I eliminated it for now and just unplugged the clutch lever. Can only start it in nuetral for now until I track down why it keeps blowing. My hawk was shipped with the stator wires pinched off when they put the front sprocket cover on . I repaired the wires but still have that diode blow. Just completed the circuit where the diode goes and has been running fine .

[Lit Hawk]

I found a clutch diode in the harness under the tank that kept blowing on mine . I eliminated it for now and just unplugged the clutch lever. Can only start it in nuetral for now until I track down why it keeps blowing. My hawk was shipped with the stator wires pinched off when they put the front sprocket cover on . I repaired the wires but still have that diode blow. Just completed the circuit where the diode goes and has been running fine .

I was wondering what that was under the gas tank. I’ll check it out today and make sure that’s not my problem. Thanks

[JerryHawk250]

I was wondering what that was under the gas tank. I’ll check it out today and make sure that’s not my problem. Thanks
I had one that blew when I first got the bike and just replaced it. Never did figure out what made it blow in the first place. :shrug:


Link to issue incase you are interested. http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=17772

[Weldangrind]

Maybe the diode they use is under-rated.

[Megadan]

Maybe the diode they use is under-rated.

Maybe, but it's more likely the typical quality control issues that lets one or two bad ones through from time to time. Like the fact that my clutch switch has never worked from day one, even on the new controls. I can just turn it over without the clutch in.

[JerryHawk250]

Maybe, but it's more likely the typical quality control issues that lets one or two bad ones through from time to time. Like the fact that my clutch switch has never worked from day one, even on the new controls. I can just turn it over without the clutch in. Does it start in gear?
The only time have to pull the clutch if it is in gear. As long as it is in neutral you can start it without pulling the clutch.

[Megadan]

Does it start in gear?
The only time have to pull the clutch if it is gear. As long as it is in neutral you can start it without pulling the clutch.

Yep. Found that out one day when I was in too much of a hurry, forgot it was in gear, and hit the start button and the bike jerked forward. That was a good wake up call. Glad I never start my bike without my rear in the seat and my hand on the brake.

[JerryHawk250]

This may sound like a silly question Lit Hawk. Does the neutral light come on when in neutral? Reason I ask is I had a break in the neutral wire at the connector by the engine. Starter would not work unless I pulled the clutch. the Neutral light would light up until I hit the starter button. The light would go out and would get nothing. Check the connection there.

[JerryHawk250]

To rule out any of the safety switches as being bad. Ground the pink terminal a try the start button. Pink is a ground. The clutch switch and neutral switch complete that ground circuit. After rereading everything you have tested it seems o be a bad solenoid.

[Lit Hawk]

This may sound like a silly question Lit Hawk. Does the neutral light come on when in neutral? Reason I ask is I had a break in the neutral wire at the connector by the engine. Starter would not work unless I pulled the clutch. the Neutral light would light up until I hit the starter button. The light would go out and would get nothing. Check the connection there.

Yes my neutral light comes when in neutral. I read your thread about the diode and I don’t think this is my problem. I also think it may be my solenoid. We will see.

[JerryHawk250]

Yes my neutral light comes when in neutral. I read your thread about the diode and I don’t think this is my problem. I also think it may be my solenoid. We will see.
Just throwing some ideas out there. Looks like all the testing you done it kind of narrows it down to the solenoid. Good luck.

[Lit Hawk]

So I got my solenoidon Friday after work I installed it and fired right up no problem. Damn I was so sick of kick starting it. Most of the times it would fire right up but when it really counted (like when I was around a lot of people) it would flood. So embarrassing :grr: Finally figured out my tool kit that came with bike in my burrito tube worked perfect for removing my spark plug. I’d then pump kick start a couple times with spark plug removed and reinstall plug and it would start right away. Anyways took the bike to Galveston for Easter weekend start button working perfectly all the way up to Sunday. All of a sudden wouldn’t work anymore after I got t a little wet riding in the surf (so much fun). I pulled side cover off to inspect and everything looked good, so I jumped solenoid and bike started up. Went for one last ride for the day because I didn’t want to kickstart. Then when loading up to come home,I took the bike on a carrier. I tested start button and it worked. Tested start button a couple times and fired right up every time:crazy: So fast forward, I get home rinse the hell out of the hawk to get all the saltwater and sand off. Unload from carrier go to start and nothing again. So I’m thinking both times it wouldn’t start was after I got bike wet. I haven’t tried jumping solenoid to see if it fixes like in Galveston but I’m thinking I got a bad solenoid.

Oh yeah I wanted to also mention after I got the new solenoid and was working good. I tried to start in gear with clutch pulled in just to test, I didn’t know that was possible. My bike will only start in neutral it does not start in gear with clutch pulled in. So I guess I got a faulty one also.

[Lit Hawk]

Opened it up and jumped solenoid and it started working again. Started to was my bike and tested it after I got it a little wet and again not working. So I finished washing the bike and Jumped the solenoid again and now it works. So something with the water makes it stop working until I jump it and it’ll work fine no problem:hmm:

[jimwildman]

Jumping the soleniod bypasses everything so the problem might not actually be the solenoid.
Check the contactor in the start button, Mine gets shitty if I go through too much water. By surf do you mean saltwater?
Maybey try a dielectic grease or some corrosionX if you find it has corroded.

[Weldangrind]

I agree with Jim, although it depends on what a person means by jumping the solenoid. For example, if that means applying power to the primary side with jumper cables, that's quite different from crossing the secondary side with a screwdriver.

[Lit Hawk]

I’m still having starter problems. Today I pulled my starter off and brushes are gone. Anyone know where I can get a new starter or brushes for my starter?

[blanc12]

I have had lots of electric issues. I have found 2 pushed out pins so far. Also the fuse holder has a bad connection in it too. Going to replace that tonight. So give a good look at the connectors give them a wiggle. You may find your problem.

[Lit Hawk]

I wish it was that easy for me iVe already checked all connections. I opened up my starter and the 4 brushes that are in there are completely gone. So I’m sure I need a new starter I wish I could just replace the brushes but there connected as one piece. New starter at txpowersports is $85. I don’t have that right now. Sucks kickstarting it, today I was successful in kick starting it right away after trying for at least 30 min by wiggling the spark plug wire. So I’m hoping I can at least get it kickstarted in 1 or 2 kicks eventually by messing with my spark plug wire.

[pistolclass]

so this is where sleuthing comes in, I did a search on chinese pit bike starters and I see many for $30. Not sure which one will work but someone here smarter than me should be able to find one for about that price point. Happy hunting.

[Lit Hawk]

So after lots of searching I found one on eBay that looks like it’ll fit. I paid $22 way better than $85. Hopefully it’s the right one fingers crossed

[humanbeing]

...I wish I could just replace the brushes but there connected as one piece...
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=112211&extra=&authorid=75082&page=1 shows how to replace carbon brushes... That mechanic said some brush's quality isn't usable :lmao:
Specialist https://shop68808900.taobao.com/ that had all kinds starter motor solution

[blanc12]

So after lots of searching I found one on eBay that looks like it’ll fit. I paid $22 way better than $85. Hopefully it’s the right one fingers crossed


Please let us know if it is a good fit. Love saving cash.

[Lit Hawk]

https://m.ebay.com/itm/New-Starter-Motor-For-150cc-250cc-ATV-Motorcycle-Go-Kart-etc/162740500058?_mwBanner=1

I ended up getting this one and it works good. :tup:

[Megadan]

https://m.ebay.com/itm/New-Starter-Motor-For-150cc-250cc-ATV-Motorcycle-Go-Kart-etc/162740500058?_mwBanner=1

I ended up getting this one and it works good. :tup:

Good stuff. I am going to add those specs to my resource info. :tup: