2017 venom x20 "vader" bulk of at least 4 for $999ea delivered

[imapdog]

i was brainstorming on this deal offered to me by venom. $999 each delivered minimum of 4. i can set this up with mods: 17t428, 34t jtr 428, jtr 428 chain, piranha exhaust, vagabond fender delete, mikuni vm22 kit. petcock, fuel line, brisk plug, 105 jet, and fuel filter for just under $280. provided i drive 20 miles to pick them up at terminal warehouse get them home to assemble for $1300(incl mods) in total cost each. how much would these sell each? i have been offered $1500 easily for the one i already put together as modded with the things stated above....? having to rid of the crate garbage is a pain to deal with as well. $1700 for each sold would be tempting to go for this idea....
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[sshevie]

personally if I was looking to do this I would just have the parts available as a kit. That way you can not be held accountable if there is a problem as your selling them as new. Now if your selling your personal bike as used then that a different case as it buyer beware when it comes to a used bike. just my 2 cents, do as you wish.

[culcune]

It could be a good experience for you. Consider what sshevie is saying about used vs. new--these would be technically new, but legally 'used' since you are not a dealer. Also what he wrote regarding the parts being installed or sold as a kit. But if buyers don't care and you could make a few hundred a piece on the side, go for it!

[imapdog]

It could be a good experience for you. Consider what sshevie is saying about used vs. new--these would be technically new, but legally 'used' since you are not a dealer. Also what he wrote regarding the parts being installed or sold as a kit. But if buyers don't care and you could make a few hundred a piece on the side, go for it!

thanks fam,
i think i am forced into a used bike status, i can't think of a way in tennessee to transfer the title to my buyer without titling it in my name.
the title does come blank where the buyer fills out but i dont get a blank bill of sale.....bill of sales do not have to be notarized in tn but using white out on buyer info is illegal......:p
besides, by me placing a tag on it re-ensures the buyer they can too if a tn buyer.....this adds $130(110 if transferring old tag) to my cost.

i have contacted a few distributors of my parts needed and most of them can offer me a discount if i buy 4 or more. that helps a smidgen..... i really think this setup is needed to catch the eye of the buyer. i have a family member to invest interest free to jumpstart me..... really close to pulling the trigger, but should decide soon for good weather season, and shipping assembly and title takes approx 2 months turnaround

[Emerikol]

imapdog, one thing I would suggest is that you give your local DMV a call and see how many vehicles you can turn over in a year before they make you register as a dealer. I had one year back in GA where I sold six cars, and got a (not so) friendly letter from my DMV that basically said if I bought or sold one more car during the next 12 months, I would be fined and forced to register as a dealer (about $8,000 in total registrations costs, plus a liability insurance policy and a bond). Also, in today's sue-happy world, if you uncrate the bikes and assemble them, you're assuming a huge risk if the wrong bolt comes out at the wrong time. It may almost be easier to sell the bikes still in the crate, with all the upgrades and mods on top of the crate. Then whoever your end-user is will have the responsibility of assembly and such. I like the idea of buying a batch of bikes at a steep discount and reselling them to make a couple bucks, but one dissatisfied customer in the beginning could really be tough to bounce back from. There was another rider on the forum in South Carolina thinking of doing the same thing from some warehouse space he had near a main road, but I don't remember much in the way of details. Please keep us posted with how you decide to move forward with this.

[imapdog]

I am pulling the trigger today. i will keep you posted. hopefully this recent idea doesn't get me banned here. i like all of you. everyone here is a good example of how the world goes around.....i will keep this going here good and bad, but mostly honest outcome will be shared. its only small change, but you gotta keep trying, right? i ordered 2 red, 1 blue, 1 black, and still have the blue one.....not trying to get rich on these 4 new ones, but if it goes well i will flip them all day long, well just under the radar....shhhh:tup:. moderators'....i wont advertise here, just report how this adventure goes....

[imapdog]

my four x20 vaders(2 red 2 blue) have been dispatched from boom:
they ran out of black ones before the wire was finalized....
be here monday:clap:

BOOM INTERNATIONAL
1111 CITRUS AVE STE 9
RIVERSIDE, CA 92507

[imapdog]

two 4x6 as a ramp. called in the muscle and slid them off to carport.
roughly 1100 lbs!
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[Chinabike]

I think this is a great idea, keeps us posted.
I was thinking about this as well, but not that many bikes. Maybe like one or two a year. I really like the process, bike deliver to my house, unboxing and the assembly/moding part of buying these bikes as much as riding.

[GlennR]

Wonder how much each would cost, including shipping, if you order a container load from China?

How much demand is there for small cc street bikes in the US? What's the top speed?

[culcune]

Wonder how much each would cost, including shipping, if you order a container load from China?

How much demand is there for small cc street bikes in the US? What's the top speed?

When the Grom first came out, there was big demand, then it seemed like the 'trend' went away, but then there was demand again, not to mention all the Chinese minis which kind of/sort of copy the Grom. You could order a container directly through Boom! aka Baodiao who have an office in So. California.

[imapdog]

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[Hawk 229cc]

pretty cool hope it works for you i know around hear i see guys selling a few china bikes or ATVS ,seems though they have enough of the sellers down south,you take up north there very small amount of sellers,or dealers,around hear in NE ,they tend to up the price as well too,i think the nearest dealer is like indiana ,an some may have warehouses in penn area ,but need to go south for the most part an buy online,we have some sel them like said but cost to advertise ,or become a dealer seems to be costly

so they are selling them up hear has to be more a word of mouth ,like we have one dealer sells honda an all the others,also sells chinese atvs ,but does not advertise it on his site,one has to go to his store an see what he has

[imapdog]

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[culcune]

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LOL--reminds me of a mother duck and her ducklings!!

[imapdog]

LOL--reminds me of a mother duck and her ducklings!!

yes, but which one is the ugly one?

[imapdog]

titles due any day now from state.
prob lost my profits in the carb upgrade learning curve on the x20.
carbs have always scared me and i now know why my instincts were to stay
away from them. i do come out knowing lots more about them, but
the voodoo is real for me.
almost ready for business.
hopefully this test run at least breaks even.
i can hold out and not rush the sales bc the loan was free of interest and long term.
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[culcune]

Are you selling the ATV as well?

[imapdog]

Are you selling the ATV as well?

yes, this is my third one of the bull200. they are awesome out of the box, plus no waiting on titles or sales tax.....i highly recommend the bull200. fast assembly and easy.
seems to be a pretty solid/good atv besides the vibration. haven't put one through the ringer yet tho... harbor freight coupon to get the winch for 49.99 and 20% off coupon toward 4.99 mount plate. maybe $15 for materials...so nearly $75 for winch with remote installed. only mod other than winch is i replaced the fuel lines with better ones and removed emissions

[JerryHawk250]

yes, this is my third one of the bull200. they are awesome out of the box, plus no waiting on titles or sales tax.....i highly recommend the bull200. fast assembly and easy.
seems to be a pretty solid/good atv besides the vibration. haven't put one through the ringer yet tho... harbor freight coupon to get the winch for 49.99 and 20% off coupon toward 4.99 mount plate. maybe $15 for materials...so nearly $75 for winch with remote installed. only mod other than winch is i replaced the fuel lines with better ones and removed emissions
Nice job on the bikes. :tup: I like the concept. You're providing a service for the person that is not so mechanically inclined and giving the a produced that they can just pay for and ride. :) Are you providing any after sales support like servicing or repairs?

[Megadan]

titles due any day now from state.
prob lost my profits in the carb upgrade learning curve on the x20.
carbs have always scared me and i now know why my instincts were to stay
away from them. i do come out knowing lots more about them, but
the voodoo is real for me.
almost ready for business.
hopefully this test run at least breaks even.



The carburetor "voodoo magic" feeling will disappear once you start to grasp it more. Remind yourself that a carburetor is a simple fuel metering device. All you are doing is calibrating the meter to deliver more or less fuel. Every throttle range has it's own main meter and all of those meters work together and add to the next one.

You may have taken a small loss or broke even on the first one, but now that you grasp it, the rest should be simple. Plus, now that you have figured out the jetting, pretty much every bike after that will more or less need the same formula for your area. That will make initial setup very quick and easy.

One advantage of them being technically used bikes is that you can state the sales as-is.

This idea is actually something I had considered doing with the Hawk 250. The issue is, the labor hours going over the whole bike like I do combined with the materials, would easily tack on $500 to the price of the bike. If I could get a deal on a few of them cheap enough (say $1000/ea.), and then do all of the improvements necessary to make them a GOOD bike, it might make them worth it to some guys, but it would still be potentially placing them in the $1600-1700 price range.

Heck, at that point it would likely be a lot cheaper for me to spec out my own bike with a manufacturer and order a container of bikes, but then that comes with it's own mess of headaches. I honestly wish I had the means to open my own shop to sell these bikes legitimately. My idea of the perfect Hawk includes a 450cc engine though, which would price it well out of the "cheap and cheerful" market.

[imapdog]

its been quite the experience in selling these.
i have purchased 6 in total and only 2 left.
been selling them comfortably at $1500. i have been listing them at
$1700 here and there with no responses. craigslist, facebook, and letgo have been my advertisement places.

The biggest issue i have come across is all the youngens wanting to chat
about these all day long. i have gotten to the point where i just dont have the energy to 'learn' these youngens about these chondas. next issue i have is
people go search venom and find it hard to buy from me when venom sells at or similar to my price. they are novice and simply dont understand they will most likely replace these mods i do anyways. they have it in their mind that venom will hand them replacement on a silver platter the day after they turn in a warranty issue....warranties simply are not performed in a timely matter or are cost effective.

$999 ea delivered, plus the cost of chasing them down 1.5 hour drive from house to roadrunner terminal. $250 in added mods, +assembly, +registration title in my name for as-is selling. so i am giving these away at cost around $1500. prob have 8 hours in assembly time and tune each.

what i have learned is how to build these blindfolded and fix any issue. the most i have given myself from this experience is how a carb works and how to work on one until its dialed in pretty good. if i were to make money selling bikes, i will now buy used bikes jap or china, that are not running good from dirty/bad carbs to work on them to re-sell. i think that is my direction now.... as before i could tackle any problem with successful fix, except carbs..that was the final 'peace' for me.

once i sell these last 2 i will buy a x19(grey) from venom and mod it to my taste, for pleasure get around town scooter... and to have something to tinker on with a 190cc changeover.

[RedCrowRides]

$1500 is a steal considering you assemble it, put a carb and pipe on it and so forth, and dial it in to get it running like it should., especially when a lot of the market for these is to very young or inexperienced Riders who simply do not have the skills to do the work.,hell I know how to do the work but were i closer to you I'd have bought one just to have that much out of the way so I could move forward from there ,thats a lot of work already done plus no waiting if buying from you , all that need be done is jump on and go. I'm dealing with an unfortunate delayed shipping issue atm so believe me I appreciate all too well what benefits come with " Here it is ready to go right now today " lol !

[cbrfxr67]

Have you considered to do what venom does and import them?

alibaba has all kinds of bikes listed,...

My buddy started importing frame machines, lifts etc from china and we've been talking about getting some bikes on one of his containers. I know it's not an easy thing, but really getting more interested in taking a shot at it. Seeing your experience is heartening. Thanks for sharing!

[imapdog]

ok, since i haven't produced a profit on these with my method, i decided to make something happen and looked around for trades on one of my x20 vader2 bikes. a person found me nearby that wanted one of my vader bikes. i ended up trading even for a honda 2015 cb300f with 7k miles on it. it recently had a new crankshaft installed by honda dealer in a recall. it has new tires too. been hanging my head low because this vader selling idea went south in proclaiming profits.

i did learn how to work on carbs pretty good, but this trade makes me feel much better that something positive(other than gaining the knowledge of carb tuning) came of it. i am totally liking this cb300f, especially the fuel inj and water cooled engine. here is a side by side comparison of the vader2 and cb300f. they look pretty similar.... i have one red and one blue vader 2 avail at $1500 advertised locally. mention this ad and i will sell each one of my remaining vader2 stock for $1250.
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[kirbo7106]

If I lived closer, I would be all over a Blue one!:D

[Weldangrind]

imapdog, I hope you'll start a new thread on your CB300F.

[imapdog]

imapdog, I hope you'll start a new thread on your CB300F.

you trolling me? lol...
i thought i would be banished for even mentioning i have turned to the other side....it is a sweet ride....:)

[Weldangrind]

Not only do most of us have non-China bikes, several of us have started threads on them. Some members here no longer even own a China bike.

[imapdog]

sold out.
wont do this again.
loss of time, but no loss in $.
wealth of knowledge obtained!
did score a great trade to offset the letdown.

[Chinabike]

sold out.
wont do this again.
loss of time, but no loss in $.
wealth of knowledge obtained!
did score a great trade to offset the letdown.

Dang sorry, that didn't work out. I thought it would.
You tried that's the biggest accomplishment.

[2LZ]

sold out.
wont do this again.
loss of time, but no loss in $.
wealth of knowledge obtained!
did score a great trade to offset the letdown.
'What a long strange trip it's been...."
If nothing else, we've appreciated the fun read! :-)

[kirbo7106]

Hey Imapdog - one day you will look back on this experience and find some humor in it all! You did provide some knowledge to the rest of us. I purchased my exhaust system based on your experience.

Enjoy the Ride!