New BMS CRP250s Here - Starting Setup

[NorthRider]

Well, the two BMS CRP250 enduros we ordered got here yesterday. We decided to do them one at a time, so we got right to work on uncrating the first one. It made the trip just fine -- no damage, no scuffs. Here's how it looked in the crate after the outer cardboard came off.

http://chinariders.net/album.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1423

Unfortunately, the weather in northern Minnesota is NOT cooperating! Yesterday it was 16 degrees, and snowing. Our garage is not heated, so we had only one reasonable option -- put it together in the living room. We put the front wheel and the handlebars on temporarily so we could wheel it into the house.

Then, we started taking everything apart so we could put loc-tite on all of the bolts. So far, we are very happy with the quality of construction and components -- nicer than we were expecting.

We hope to finish this one up tomorrow, and then do it all again on the second one. It's still snowing, and supposed to get to -8 degrees, (below zero!), tonight so the second one will be built in the house also.

I'll post again tomorrow, and let you know how it goes.

[roundhouse]

Super sweet! My wife would have a fit if I tried that. (And I have.)

good looking bike.

[ben2go]

Get rid of the air injection system (AIS) your bike will thank you. It causes a lot of after firing and popping through the exhaust. Barnone has a few posts on the subject. It's worth a search.

[culcune]

The BMS bike should be at the least, the same quality and have the same specs as a Bashan bike--higher quality/specs depending on how BMS contracted with Bashan who is the OEM (a VERY good thing if you have read up on Bashan the past 4 or 5 years here on Chinariders). On a side note, a retailer here in So. Cal. claims they will be CARB approved for California in early '19, although not sure how BMS can get it through CARB considering on the US EPA site, the bike is certified as a Bashan bike on the list of models EPA/DOT approved (i.e. Storm 250, Brozz 250, DB-41h, Shark 250, and a few other models that are not necessarily marketed here as that is what manufacturers do--throw on a list of bikes in case they sell them here).

I guess the question is, although it is marketed and branded as a BMS product, what is on the certificate of origin, and the manufacturer plate(s) on the bike? Are they street geared like the Bashan bikes (17 tooth front/44 tooth rear--at least please count the rear since you will have to remove the cover to count the countersprocket)?

[NorthRider]

The BMS bike should be at the least, the same quality and have the same specs as a Bashan bike--higher quality/specs depending on how BMS contracted with Bashan who is the OEM (a VERY good thing if you have read up on Bashan the past 4 or 5 years here on Chinariders). On a side note, a retailer here in So. Cal. claims they will be CARB approved for California in early '19, although not sure how BMS can get it through CARB considering on the US EPA site, the bike is certified as a Bashan bike on the list of models EPA/DOT approved (i.e. Storm 250, Brozz 250, DB-41h, Shark 250, and a few other models that are not necessarily marketed here as that is what manufacturers do--throw on a list of bikes in case they sell them here).

I guess the question is, although it is marketed and branded as a BMS product, what is on the certificate of origin, and the manufacturer plate(s) on the bike? Are they street geared like the Bashan bikes (17 tooth front/44 tooth rear--at least please count the rear since you will have to remove the cover to count the countersprocket)?

The certificate of origin and the manufacturer's plates both say Bashan, which is what we expected from our research before purchasing. Yes, we're happy to have Bashans! I counted the rear sprocket -- it has 46 teeth. We're very pleased with the quality we're seeing, and both bikes arrived with no damage.

[NorthRider]

Get rid of the air injection system (AIS) your bike will thank you. It causes a lot of after firing and popping through the exhaust. Barnone has a few posts on the subject. It's worth a search.

Good to know -- thanks!

[NorthRider]

Super sweet! My wife would have a fit if I tried that. (And I have.)

good looking bike.

Here's how that went: We bought two of them -- the red one is mine, and we got a blue one for my husband. It's been so cold here, with temps in the single digits, that we knew working in the garage would be miserable. Bringing them into the house to build was actually MY idea, not my husband's, although he did break into a huge smile when I suggested it!

Mine is nearly done, so it got moved to the dining room. We brought his blue one into the living room this afternoon. I have to say -- it makes for very nice working conditions.
:)

[NorthRider]

We've got the first bike almost completely finished, and are starting on the second bike. Here's a list of likes/don't likes. I'll start with list of stuff we're not too happy with since it's a short list.

Don't Like


The handgrips of pretty nasty. We're shopping Amazon for some that are nicer.
The horn on the red bike doesn't work. We should know about the horn on the blue bike in a day or two.
The switch gear all seems kind of cheap.



Do Like

We're pleased that the BMS comes with 21" front and 18"rear wheels.
We like the black wheels - looks really nice!
We like the tires - they seem like a nice compromise for on and off road riding.
We really like the forks! They are nicely machined, and seem like very nice quality.
Like the luggage racks.
Really like the dual piston caliper on the front disc brake.
The seat material is very nice, and the logo is embroidered stitchery.
Really like the overall lack of chrome.
We are really impressed by the quality of the build. It seems there was nice attention to detail and quality workmanship. Much better than we were expecting.


We'll keep you posted about our progress. Here's some pics of good stuff.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1426

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1428

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1427

[NzBrakelathes]

It ius very much like the TT250 with the heavy duty front hub etc.
I think if you can get the spares guy would buy the rack of the back.

these are not sold in China and Bashan is not far from me( Chengdu) lol but they don't sell locally (I have seen a couple from wholesalers that have an odd bike to clear etc, was a street bike EFI $400)

[roundhouse]

You are super cool! My wife hates motorcycle with almost as much passion as I love em.

The brakes look great on that. That is a knock on the hawk to me. Back brake is adequate but the front is not very good.

[JerryHawk250]

The brakes look great on that. That is a knock on the hawk to me. Back brake is adequate but the front is not very good.

I thought the brakes on the Hawk were bad until I cleaned them with brake cleaner. There is a protective oily film on them out of the crate. Clean them and you will find they will be much better. ;)

[JerryHawk250]

Here's how that went: We bought two of them -- the red one is mine, and we got a blue one for my husband. It's been so cold here, with temps in the single digits, that we knew working in the garage would be miserable. Bringing them into the house to build was actually MY idea, not my husband's, although he did break into a huge smile when I suggested it!

Mine is nearly done, so it got moved to the dining room. We brought his blue one into the living room this afternoon. I have to say -- it makes for very nice working conditions.
:)
Well that explains everything. My wife would of gone ballistic if I brought my Hawk in the house and put it on the nice clean rug.

Nice pair of bikes :tup: Hope you two have some decent weather so you all can ride.

[culcune]

The certificate of origin and the manufacturer's plates both say Bashan, which is what we expected from our research before purchasing. Yes, we're happy to have Bashans! I counted the rear sprocket -- it has 46 teeth. We're very pleased with the quality we're seeing, and both bikes arrived with no damage.

Thank you for confirming the MSO/plate and the sprocket--I keep mistaking the old Lifan GY5 which had 44 teeth, stock (I think?? Getting older and it was around 10 or more years ago, LOL) and the Bashans. Either way, the 21/18 setup is good to know, although the Brozz could have had the same thing; I had corresponded with the Bashan rep over the past few years. I was trying to convince him to let my friend's company sell the Brozz and Shark on consignment, but Peace Sports eventually won out (my guess is they paid for them, lol). Anyway, the rep asked me what kind of things people here on Chinariders would have liked to see in the Brozz after a successful 2016 run. I said make sure there is a rack and 21/18. After a year gap, and Peace brings them in (without the Shark) what do they do? Rear drum and kept the 19/17 and no rack. They did recently make up for it with rear disc and rack, but either way, BMS spec'd theirs correctly from the get-go. If they can convince the CARB gods to smile on them for California, I will definitely have it on my short list!

[Skibrat]

I am currently waiting for my BMS CRP 250 bought from Don Hopper’s site, shopapmc.com. Price is $1399. Not including shipping.
What sold me on the bike was, it’s a Bashan, 49 state legal, the 21,18 wheels, dual disc brakes, inverted forks, and a low 29” seat height. I’m hoping to teach my son how to ride a motorcycle and was going to buy the DB-41H enforcer but Don talked me into the BMS with the lower seat height.
Hoping to be a nice Father-Son project on the build.
Any specific mods needed for the bike would truly be appreciated.

[Skibrat]

Northrider, when you were building the bikes, you mentioned the level of quality. I was wondering if you needed to add the loctite to the bolts like the Hawk builds require? Also, are you looking at any mods for the BMS?
I’m currently waiting for my delivery from Cali.
I’m also dealing with the cold down here in Chicagoland and will see if my wife will allow me to build it in the living room. Lol. Just hoping to get it done before I need to winterize it.

[MDStroup]

Glad to see there are more options now. Was really pissed that i missed out on the Brozz. But this looks to be the perfect replacement, especially with the right sized tires from the start.

It is hard to tell, but does this have a drum or disc rear brake? I actually preferred the drum on the Brozz as the brake actuator didn't stick down like it did on the Hawk 250.

Where did you purchase this one?

Is it the same motor as the Hawk 250? As one website claims it is a Zongshen motor.

[MDStroup]

Northrider, when you were building the bikes, you mentioned the level of quality. I was wondering if you needed to add the loctite to the bolts like the Hawk builds require? Also, are you looking at any mods for the BMS?
I’m currently waiting for my delivery from Cali.
I’m also dealing with the cold down here in Chicagoland and will see if my wife will allow me to build it in the living room. Lol. Just hoping to get it done before I need to winterize it.

Honestly you should use some sort of thread locker on all bolts. Especially on a motorcycle like this.

[Cravin01]

Half the parts on that bike are on my Bashan Storm, could you show the speedometer, and does it have a gas gauge?

[MDStroup]

I am currently waiting for my BMS CRP 250 bought from Don Hopper’s site, shopapmc.com. Price is $1399. Not including shipping.
What sold me on the bike was, it’s a Bashan, 49 state legal, the 21,18 wheels, dual disc brakes, inverted forks, and a low 29” seat height. I’m hoping to teach my son how to ride a motorcycle and was going to buy the DB-41H enforcer but Don talked me into the BMS with the lower seat height.
Hoping to be a nice Father-Son project on the build.
Any specific mods needed for the bike would truly be appreciated.

Did you end up getting a shipping quote from them, if so how much for you? I tried but didn't know half the information to put.

[NorthRider]

I thought the brakes on the Hawk were bad until I cleaned them with brake cleaner. There is a protective oily film on them out of the crate. Clean them and you will find they will be much better. ;)

Yes, I agree. We took brake cleaner to both front and rear before installing the calipers.

[NorthRider]

I am currently waiting for my BMS CRP 250 bought from Don Hopper’s site, shopapmc.com. Price is $1399. Not including shipping.
What sold me on the bike was, it’s a Bashan, 49 state legal, the 21,18 wheels, dual disc brakes, inverted forks, and a low 29” seat height. I’m hoping to teach my son how to ride a motorcycle and was going to buy the DB-41H enforcer but Don talked me into the BMS with the lower seat height.
Hoping to be a nice Father-Son project on the build.
Any specific mods needed for the bike would truly be appreciated.

Well, prepare to be disappointed about the seat height! I also thought it was 28.7". I wanted to be sure, so I called two different sellers and asked specifically about the seat height. They both confirmed 28.7". HOWEVER, in reality, the seat is closer to 34". I was really bummed at first -- it put me up on my toes, and I don't like that feeling.

My husband found a good video of a guy lowering the seat by cutting out some of the foam. That youtube is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiPsEsB89Yg
I was really nervous, but I knew I had to give it a try. I did the cutting last night, and took about 2-1/2 inches out of the foam. I wasn't as smooth as the guy on the video, so I've got to spend some time shaping it tonight. I'm hoping to get the cover reinstalled tomorrow or Wednesday. I'm really using baby steps on this, because I don't want to screw it up.

We tested it last night in its rough uncovered form, and it really made a difference. I'm comfortably on the balls of my feet now, with my heels about an inch off the floor. I'm fine with that - it feels comfortable and in control. I have no idea how tall your son is, but I'm about 5'7", and have a 31.5" inseam.

When I get it put back together, I'll post a photo.

I really like your idea about the build being a good Dad-Son project, and I couldn't agree more. You two will have a blast! I'll let you know my results as soon as I get it finished. Don't hit the panic button quite yet!

[NorthRider]

Glad to see there are more options now. Was really pissed that i missed out on the Brozz. But this looks to be the perfect replacement, especially with the right sized tires from the start.

It is hard to tell, but does this have a drum or disc rear brake? I actually preferred the drum on the Brozz as the brake actuator didn't stick down like it did on the Hawk 250.

Where did you purchase this one?

Is it the same motor as the Hawk 250? As one website claims it is a Zongshen motor.

This has disc brakes, both front and rear. We purchased it from SuperiorPowersports. It sounds as if people have had mixed results dealing with them, but our experience was very positive. It cost exactly what the posted price was, (times two in our case). There were absolutely no hidden or unexpected costs. It shipped quickly, and delivery was not too slow. We live in a very rural area of northern Minnesota, and shipments here are always a bit of an ordeal. This one was pretty great, though. We ordered on October 29, and received the bikes twelve days later on November 9. They were packed well, and had no damage.

I am almost certain it is a Zongshen motor. I'm sure I saw that name somewhere on the innards of the bike after we had it pretty much taken apart, but I can't find it now that everything is put back together.

[NzBrakelathes]

I don’t get why the stick with the low HP spec CG motors, no Chinese bike has that motor here anymore unless a farmer bike.
The better spec motor wouldn’t cost a few pennies more.
Air cooled OHC 249cc or the 232.6cc much better power out of the crate and lucky it might cost $20 extra at the factory.

[NorthRider]

Half the parts on that bike are on my Bashan Storm, could you show the speedometer, and does it have a gas gauge?

Hey -- we watch all of your videos. Thanks for those!!

No, there's no gas guage. We checked, and there's no sending plate and no float in the tank, so it's not set up for a future mod. There's a Neutral indicator, and a nice gear indicator.

Anything else you're curious about, just ask. Thanks again for the videos, we've learned a lot, and really enjoy them!

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1429

[culcune]

Glad to see there are more options now. Was really pissed that i missed out on the Brozz. But this looks to be the perfect replacement, especially with the right sized tires from the start.

It is hard to tell, but does this have a drum or disc rear brake? I actually preferred the drum on the Brozz as the brake actuator didn't stick down like it did on the Hawk 250.

Is it the same motor as the Hawk 250? As one website claims it is a Zongshen motor.

Brozz is still available; not sure if the older ones are still available with the drum, but the newer one just shown recently by the Peace Sports rep who are the importers for the Brozz now have rear disc brakes, which you don't want. The new Taotao enduro does have drum brakes if you want to check that one out, although it has 19/17 wheels.

The BMS site itself states the Zongshen engine, although on the EPA/DOT certificate, it lists the engine manufacturer as Bashan. TMEC states the same thing, but also uses Zongshen engines as their OEM, so my guess is in some way, since the engines are proprietary to the respective brands, they can list themselves as manufacturer?

[NzBrakelathes]

I had this some years back in China
17 inch wheels both ends 200cc CG motor
They are a tall framed bike.
Worked ok and got me around but oddball for body parts and front hub here
I suggest high quality copper sibtered brake pads as these are just a common pad you could get from EBC

[NorthRider]

Thanks to our months of lurking here, we learned some of the things we should do when setting up the bikes. Before we started installing stuff, we did the following:


Removed the forks and emptied the factory oil. It came out pretty clean, a little darker in color than the new oil. Each fork drained out 225 ml., and we put 225 ml. of Maxima 10 weight into each fork.
Tightened the spokes and trued the rims.
Cleaned the disc brakes with brake cleaner before installing the calipers.
Adjusted valves to .003 inches. From the factory, the valves were way too tight, with no gap at all. We did this on the compression stroke.
Lubed axles and shock pivots with marine grease.
Put Loctite on all of the bolts, and snugged them down well.


We still have a few things to do, but they all need to be done out in the garage. (I've got to admit, we're not ready to move them out of the house quite yet!) It's supposed to warm up to almost 40 degrees on Wednesday, so we'll do the rest of the list then:


Change the engine oil.
Flush the brakes.
Lube the chain.
Fire them up!


So looking forward to that last one! :)

[MDStroup]

I don’t get why the stick with the low HP spec CG motors, no Chinese bike has that motor here anymore unless a farmer bike.
The better spec motor wouldn’t cost a few pennies more.
Air cooled OHC 249cc or the 232.6cc much better power out of the crate and lucky it might cost $20 extra at the factory.

I don't know why either. I am kinda holding out for someone to bring in a bike with one of the more modern 249cc OHC engines. But until then this model in particular is very tempting.

[NzBrakelathes]

I don't know why either. I am kinda holding out for someone to bring in a bike with one of the more modern 249cc OHC engines. But until then this model in particular is very tempting.

They won’t cause costs a little more and then other parts need to be stocked
Also regulations they may need to do testing for plates and riad legsl
Keeping quite is easier for them
Or just buy the bigger cc power plant n do it your self but that’s not cheap doing it the long way round

[MDStroup]

They won’t cause costs a little more and then other parts need to be stocked
Also regulations they may need to do testing for plates and riad legsl
Keeping quite is easier for them
Or just buy the bigger cc power plant n do it your self but that’s not cheap doing it the long way round

Honestly i dont even know where i would be able to find of of the 249cc OHC engines. I would buy one if i could and see about putting it in a donor frame. Do you think you would be able to sell them?

[MDStroup]

Thanks to our months of lurking here, we learned some of the things we should do when setting up the bikes. Before we started installing stuff, we did the following:


Removed the forks and emptied the factory oil. It came out pretty clean, a little darker in color than the new oil. Each fork drained out 225 ml., and we put 225 ml. of Maxima 10 weight into each fork.
Tightened the spokes and trued the rims.
Cleaned the disc brakes with brake cleaner before installing the calipers.
Adjusted valves to .003 inches. From the factory, the valves were way too tight, with no gap at all. We did this on the compression stroke.
Lubed axles and shock pivots with marine grease.
Put Loctite on all of the bolts, and snugged them down well.


We still have a few things to do, but they all need to be done out in the garage. (I've got to admit, we're not ready to move them out of the house quite yet!) It's supposed to warm up to almost 40 degrees on Wednesday, so we'll do the rest of the list then:


Change the engine oil.
Flush the brakes.
Lube the chain.
Fire them up!


So looking forward to that last one! :)

Sounds like you are on your way. Did you just add grease to the swing arm pivot as well?

[NzBrakelathes]

Quick look around found these

[NorthRider]

Sounds like you are on your way. Did you just add grease to the swing arm pivot as well?

No, we didn't. We're planning to add a zerk in the future.

[Skibrat]

The quote was $153 from California to Chicago with commercial delivery, residential was another $35-50 more but I’m not home to sign for it, just pick it up from shopping doc.
Its been a week and still hasn’t shipped yet. I have Bill of Lading but not picked up yet, total should be $1553 shipped.

[JerryHawk250]

No, we didn't. We're planning to add a zerk in the future.
That was one of the first things I did. So easy to just hit it every so often with the grease gun. :)

[Skibrat]

Did you end up getting a shipping quote from them, if so how much for you? I tried but didn't know half the information to put.

The shipping was $153 from California to Chicago. I worked with Don Hopper from his APSC store. It’s been 8 days since ordering and still haven’t shipped yet. I have the Bill of Lading for 6 days now.

[Skibrat]

Well, prepare to be disappointed about the seat height! I also thought it was 28.7". I wanted to be sure, so I called two different sellers and asked specifically about the seat height. They both confirmed 28.7". HOWEVER, in reality, the seat is closer to 34". I was really bummed at first -- it put me up on my toes, and I don't like that feeling.

I think one person designed the incorrect seat height and everyone copied it.
It’s even on the BMS website.
Thanks for the video. I may also need to remove the foam.
I’m 5’8” and my son is 5’9”. For me standing with the balls of the feet is fine. It’s my son whose never driven a motorcycle may need to lower seat.
I think I would have bought the Bashan DB-41H Enforcer for a few hundred less if this was the case. Enforcer has a working gas gauge.

[Skibrat]

Here's how that went: We bought two of them -- the red one is mine, and we got a blue one for my husband. It's been so cold here, with temps in the single digits, that we knew working in the garage would be miserable. Bringing them into the house to build was actually MY idea, not my husband's, although he did break into a huge smile when I suggested it!

Mine is nearly done, so it got moved to the dining room. We brought his blue one into the living room this afternoon. I have to say -- it makes for very nice working conditions.
:)

It’s cold here in Chicago, never getting above freezing today. I’m going to try and bring the bike inside. I need lots of heavy cardboard and a run to Tiffany’s to get this idea passed with her.

[NzBrakelathes]

Suitable for Hawk etc
Nice?

[Skibrat]

Suitable for Hawk etc
Nice?

It looks like it will fit the BMS, how much and where do we get it?

[Cravin01]

Hey -- we watch all of your videos. Thanks for those!!

No, there's no gas gauge. We checked, and there's no sending plate and no float in the tank, so it's not set up for a future mod. There's a Neutral indicator, and a nice gear indicator.

Anything else you're curious about, just ask. Thanks again for the videos, we've learned a lot, and really enjoy them!

Thank you for the kind words , It's nice to hear the videos get to the right people. I'll get more up as soon as I figure out what I want to mess with next.

I think you'll like the bikes, It's a nice package with a good name attached to it. My Bashan has been bulletproof, If anything was broken it was because I broke it.

[ben2go]

Suitable for Hawk etc
Nice?

It looks like it will fit the BMS, how much and where do we get it?
The digi display is available from one of our members.



http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=21825

[NzBrakelathes]

It looks like it will fit the BMS, how much and where do we get it?

The guy as about 20 and yes I can buy them 1 by 1 and send to the USA so it can be at your door in around 10 days.

PM if interested

[NorthRider]

It’s cold here in Chicago, never getting above freezing today. I’m going to try and bring the bike inside. I need lots of heavy cardboard and a run to Tiffany’s to get this idea passed with her.

She might surprise you! :)

[culcune]

Sorry to kind of hijack, but I thought this might be of interest to California members and it is about the CRP 250; the North American rep for Bashan confirmed in an email that BMS themselves are going through CARB certification for the CRP 250, and should be certified in early 2019!! I had tried to get an answer from BMS directly last week, after seeing a California-based online retailer who have a video on youtube featuring the CRP and claiming the same. The woman at BMS had limited English skills, and kept mentioning green sticker (which is California's off-road certification, such as for the Apollo 36 dirt bike), which is why I emailed the Bashan rep who I figured would have some kind of knowledge of this. At any rate, I can add the CRP to my wishlist!!

[NzBrakelathes]

Sorry to kind of hijack, but I thought this might be of interest to California members and it is about the CRP 250; the North American rep for Bashan confirmed in an email that BMS themselves are going through CARB certification for the CRP 250, and should be certified in early 2019!! I had tried to get an answer from BMS directly last week, after seeing a California-based online retailer who have a video on youtube featuring the CRP and claiming the same. The woman at BMS had limited English skills, and kept mentioning green sticker (which is California's off-road certification, such as for the Apollo 36 dirt bike), which is why I emailed the Bashan rep who I figured would have some kind of knowledge of this. At any rate, I can add the CRP to my wishlist!!

Check your PM as I sent you a link for Q9 that stated one of their Hawk type versions is 50 states legal and something under $1400

https://q9powersportsusa.com/collections/new-dirt-bikes-pit-bikes-and-enduro-motorcycles-q9-powersports-usa/products/tao-motor-tbr7-250cc-enduro-motorcycle

[NorthRider]

Both of the bikes are now complete, and have moved out of the living room and into the garage. We changed oil and put some high octane gas in the tanks, and then we fired them up.

We were really surprised -- it was 17 degrees outside, and the bikes started right up. We used full choke and hey kicked. Put them on half choke and they started right up and idled. As they idled and warmed up they started burning off paint, etc., and made some smoke.

They're both running great -- surprisingly smooth with a nice idle.

There's still snow on the ground, and it's very icy underneath, so we can't ride them. It's enough to drive us crazy! My husband did ride out a little ways, and the bike ran smooth and shifted nice. We're very happy!

It's got us thinking of taking a quick trip over Christmas break. We're trying to figure out where the weather might be decent enough in late December for some riding. Any suggestions?

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1435

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1431

[NorthRider]

I finally finished modifying my seat to make it a more rideable height for me. It really freaked me out to be cutting into the seat foam, but it turned out pretty decent.

I ended up taking out 2-1/2 inches, maybe a little more. Cutting the foam was pretty tricky, and I had to do a lot of work to get it smooth after the cut. We got the seat cover back on without too much trouble.

The whole thing was worth it though, since it makes the bike a much safer and more controlled height for me. Here are pictures of my modified seat compared to the stock seat on my husband's bike.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1433

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1434

[culcune]

It's got us thinking of taking a quick trip over Christmas break. We're trying to figure out where the weather might be decent enough in late December for some riding. Any suggestions?


There are plenty of your fellow Minnesotans (is that a real word?) and others from up north who descend on Yuma, AZ. Plenty of places to ride nearby, on pavement; when I lived there, I hated riding off-road on 2 wheels due to the beach-like sand surrounding Yuma. It was 4 wheeler country. I never ventured too far across the border into Mexico where enduros would be better due to the rougher roads. The point is, it is dry, cool, and plenty of places to ride around Yuma for dual sports.

[NorthRider]

There are plenty of your fellow Minnesotans (is that a real word?) and others from up north who descend on Yuma, AZ. Plenty of places to ride nearby, on pavement; when I lived there, I hated riding off-road on 2 wheels due to the beach-like sand surrounding Yuma. It was 4 wheeler country. I never ventured too far across the border into Mexico where enduros would be better due to the rougher roads. The point is, it is dry, cool, and plenty of places to ride around Yuma for dual sports.

Yes, we are Minnesotans, and most of us are desperate for a bit of warm weather during the winter!!

Yuma sounds like some nice riding, and I really appreciate the information. It's over 2,000 miles each direction, but it sounds like fun. We'll definitely keep it in mind. Thanks!

[culcune]

If you do go, let me know. I will be on winter break starting December 21 through January 8 and my wife and kids live in Yuma, so will most likely be there. I may or may not have my TGB scooter running well enough to show you guys around the paved parts. Too bad my 'project' Jeep Grand Cherokee will not be running (it has sat in my driveway from when the trans gave out) to show you the off-road parts. There is one very large area of BLM (the US govt., not the protest group :lmao:) land which might be doable on 2 wheels (I have done it on Honda 250 quads, but do recall it being packed enough for 2 wheels vs. the beach sand consistent of the rest of the area around Yuma).

[NorthRider]

If you do go, let me know. I will be on winter break starting December 21 through January 8 and my wife and kids live in Yuma, so will most likely be there. I may or may not have my TGB scooter running well enough to show you guys around the paved parts. Too bad my 'project' Jeep Grand Cherokee will not be running (it has sat in my driveway from when the trans gave out) to show you the off-road parts. There is one very large area of BLM (the US govt., not the protest group :lmao:) land which might be doable on 2 wheels (I have done it on Honda 250 quads, but do recall it being packed enough for 2 wheels vs. the beach sand consistent of the rest of the area around Yuma).

That's really kind of you. Your winter break sounds similar to mine, but I have to be back on Jan. 2nd. If we decide to head to Yuma, we'll definitely let you know!

[NorthRider]

We weren't very impressed with the grips that came on the BMS bikes, so we ordered some replacements from Amazon. We went for the PROGRIP Soft Touch Rally grips. They are here:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WO8MKY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The quality of these grips is excellent. We sprayed a little spray adhesive on the insides, and they went on easily. We're happy with the looks, and they seem very comfortable. Definitely a big improvement!

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1432

[Skibrat]

This has disc brakes, both front and rear. We purchased it from SuperiorPowersports. It sounds as if people have had mixed results dealing with them, but our experience was very positive. It cost exactly what the posted price was, (times two in our case). There were absolutely no hidden or unexpected costs. It shipped quickly, and delivery was not too slow. We live in a very rural area of northern Minnesota, and shipments here are always a bit of an ordeal. This one was pretty great, though. We ordered on October 29, and received the bikes twelve days later on November 9. They were packed well, and had no damage.

I am almost certain it is a Zongshen motor. I'm sure I saw that name somewhere on the innards of the bike after we had it pretty much taken apart, but I can't find it now that everything is put back together.


Your fortunate to have received your two bikes in twelve days. I’m still waiting for mine. I ordered 11-5 and the expected delivery is 11-26. I was hoping to receive it before Thanksgiving but the shipping has been constantly delayed. Hope my wife, who doesn’t know I bought it, will allow it in the house for the build. Lol.

[Skibrat]

Check your PM as I sent you a link for Q9 that stated one of their Hawk type versions is 50 states legal and something under $1400

https://q9powersportsusa.com/collections/new-dirt-bikes-pit-bikes-and-enduro-motorcycles-q9-powersports-usa/products/tao-motor-tbr7-250cc-enduro-motorcycle

The website 360 powersports shows the Tao tbr7 to be a Bashan brozz when checking the specs sheet. It’s priced $1350 with free shipping at q9 power sports.

[Skibrat]

Suitable for Hawk etc
Nice?

Yes, very nice. How much is the cluster?
Also I’m interested in the cluster used on the new Bashan Brozz.

http://www.chinariders.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=12305&stc=1&d=1521667460

Is there a way to find this one anywhere?
It looks like it will fit the Bashan Crp.

[Skibrat]

Suitable for Hawk etc
Nice?

This is another pic of the Brozz cluster powered up. If you can find this part that would look very cool on my BMS CRP.

http://www.chinariders.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=13482&d=1529963615

[NzBrakelathes]

I should hopefully have 3 samples this week, 1 like the pic you sent, one with Rpm dial on left with fuel gauge and another instead of the fuel gauge it has an volt gauge instead.

http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=22538

[ben2go]

We weren't very impressed with the grips that came on the BMS bikes, so we ordered some replacements from Amazon. We went for the PROGRIP Soft Touch Rally grips. They are here:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WO8MKY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The quality of these grips is excellent. We sprayed a little spray adhesive on the insides, and they went on easily. We're happy with the looks, and they seem very comfortable. Definitely a big improvement!

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1432




I have those on a couple of my bikes. Good grips. I use hairspray to stick mine on. Shhh don't tell my GF. :hehe: If they need to be removed, a little warm soapy water sprayed behind them and they slide right off. WD-40 also works to remove them.

[JerryHawk250]

Nice job on the seat. :tup: I've been wanting to chop the hump back a few inches on my Hawk seat so I'm not sitting on the tank.I finally finished modifying my seat to make it a more rideable height for me. It really freaked me out to be cutting into the seat foam, but it turned out pretty decent.

I ended up taking out 2-1/2 inches, maybe a little more. Cutting the foam was pretty tricky, and I had to do a lot of work to get it smooth after the cut. We got the seat cover back on without too much trouble.

The whole thing was worth it though, since it makes the bike a much safer and more controlled height for me. Here are pictures of my modified seat compared to the stock seat on my husband's bike.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1433

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1434

[NorthRider]

Nice job on the seat. :tup: I've been wanting to chop the hump back a few inches on my Hawk seat so I'm not sitting on the tank.
Thanks - I was pretty happy with how the seat turned out. I would suggest finding an electric knife with long blades, though. The one I used has 9" blades, and I think that made it a lot harder. If you had one that went all the way through to the other side of the foam, it would really help.

[culcune]

The website 360 powersports shows the Tao tbr7 to be a Bashan brozz when checking the specs sheet. It’s priced $1350 with free shipping at q9 power sports.

Q9 had a good reputation until a member posted a bad situation he had with them, and part of his bad situation was when he called them, it appeared as though they are are now affiliated with txpowersports which already has some negatives associated with it on Chinariders.

My caution with them is the fact that they claim the Taotao is California legal which my friend, a distributor, has a direct connection to the California warehouse, and his connection told him the bikes do NOT have CARB certification.

[2LZ]

Q9 had a good reputation until a member posted a bad situation he had with them, and part of his bad situation was when he called them, it appeared as though they are are now affiliated with txpowersports which already has some negatives associated with it on Chinariders.

My caution with them is the fact that they claim the Taotao is California legal which my friend, a distributor, has a direct connection to the California warehouse, and his connection told him the bikes do NOT have CARB certification.

Take it from me, culcune, try not to get any kind of hope regarding CB's being street legal here. What will probably happen is it will be only green stickered like my X-Moto was.
The day we get a street legal, 1500.00 China dual sport here, I'll get my Unicorn tag and go hunting. ;-)

[NzBrakelathes]

Take it from me, culcune, try not to get any kind of hope regarding CB's being street legal here. What will probably happen is it will be only green stickered like my X-Moto was.
The day we get a street legal, 1500.00 China dual sport here, I'll get my Unicorn tag and go hunting. ;-)

You are right!
I looked into shipping bike at a time and I know somewhat of what bikes cost in China.
$1500 for a bike JUST in the USA let alone street legal is stupid cheap and I know it can't be much chop at that etc.
Add on anything good spec wise or warrnty IF possible or having the right stuff to be TRUELY legal.
CB250 legal no worries cause can be injected and Hawk like as the Jialing was but it ain't gunna be $1500!

[NzBrakelathes]

found this recently

[Hellkitty]

Take it from me, culcune, try not to get any kind of hope regarding CB's being street legal here. What will probably happen is it will be only green stickered like my X-Moto was.
The day we get a street legal, 1500.00 China dual sport here, I'll get my Unicorn tag and go hunting. ;-)

Why is it that all these China Grom type bikes(Vaders, Hellcats,Ect) can get EPA/CARB 50 state legal, but it seems to be an issue with these China 250cc class enduros. Is it more difficult to get these bigger bikes certified? Or is it just a lack of effort, or desire. This is a very popular class of bike. If the new Tao TBR7 can get EPA/CARB certified, and prove have decent quality, it would be a huge seller.

[ben2go]

Less displacement means less emmissions and easier to lean out to pass emmissions.

[NzBrakelathes]

CB motors are available in China as EFI so really no reason it couldn't be possible.
What engine is in the Magician Chinese bikes? in the USA are they CG or CB?

[Skibrat]

The website 360 powersports shows the Tao tbr7 to be a Bashan brozz when checking the specs sheet. It’s priced $1350 with free shipping at q9 power sports.

I just received my BMS CRP 250 from APMC it’s a new website which Don Hopper runs. The price is $1399 with $150 shipping total of $1550.
There was a cracked plastic from shipping and I accepted it making a damage claim with the shipper YRC.
I then notified the retailer at the time and sent him a pic. He said to accept it and make a damage claim with shipper. He also said it will be sent to me in 10 days or so.
Other than that, it’s now in my garage and I’m on my way to buy some loctite.

[NorthRider]

I just received my BMS CRP 250 from APMC it’s a new website which Don Hopper runs. The price is $1399 with $150 shipping total of $1550.
There was a cracked plastic from shipping and I accepted it making a damage claim with the shipper YRC.
I then notified the retailer at the time and sent him a pic. He said to accept it and make a damage claim with shipper. He also said it will be sent to me in 10 days or so.
Other than that, it’s now in my garage and I’m on my way to buy some loctite.

I think you'll be very pleased with the BMS -- we sure are. Have fun!

[Skibrat]

I think you'll be very pleased with the BMS -- we sure are. Have fun!

I started the build, so far I have two plastics broken. The rear fender is broken, the part under the seat that hold the turn signals, brake light, and license plate along with the blue fender under the luggage rack.
I’m hoping the retailer will send new pieces.

[NorthRider]

What a bummer! I hope you can get satisfaction through your seller. My bike came with a broken horn, but we were able to get one off ebay for only $7.00. I'm glad it was such a small thing so we didn't have to bother with warranty.

I hope everything else goes more smoothly for you!

[NorthRider]

Now that the enduros are ready to ride, we need to head to some warmer weather. Over Christmas vacation we're going to head south so we can actually do some riding -- can hardly wait.

This past summer we converted a 6'x12' cargo trailer into a camper/toy hauler. Very happy to say that the bikes fit, and our plans worked out. Here they are in camper:

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1437

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1438

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1439

We had a lot of fun doing the cargo trailer conversion. If you're interested in that sort of project, you can check it out here:

http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=70312

[JerryHawk250]

Nice job on the Cargo Trailer. We have a 33' travel trailer that as soon as we sell it I'm going pick up a 8.5x24' cargo trailer and convert it into a toy hauler. Getting tired of having to use two vehicles every time we go camping and riding. we have the Hawk, a 4 wheeler and a UTV to haul around.


Edit: I read your post on the conversion. Thanks for the idea on the diesel heater. :tup: Didn't know they made such a thing.

[NorthRider]

Nice job on the Cargo Trailer. We have a 33' travel trailer that as soon as we sell it I'm going pick up a 8.5x24' cargo trailer and convert it into a toy hauler. Getting tired of having to use two vehicles every time we go camping and riding. we have the Hawk, a 4 wheeler and a UTV to haul around.


Edit: I read your post on the conversion. Thanks for the idea on the diesel heater. :tup: Didn't know they made such a thing.

Wow--you'll be able to do an amazing conversion with all of that space in an 8.5x24!! Like I said, we had a blast doing the conversion. I'll be interested to see how your conversion turns out. There are tons of great ideas on the forum I linked to.

Have fun :)

[JerryHawk250]

Wow--you'll be able to do an amazing conversion with all of that space in an 8.5x24!! Like I said, we had a blast doing the conversion. I'll be interested to see how your conversion turns out. There are tons of great ideas on the forum I linked to.

Have fun :) Best part is I'm a carpenter with 40+ years of experience. I can probably do the conversion for less than 1/3 the cost the camper cost me. If I would of known back then that we were going to buy the Hawk and UTV I wouldn't of bought the camper and did the conversion instead. Still debating on getting a 28 footer instead of the 24 footer.

[2LZ]

CB motors are available in China as EFI so really no reason it couldn't be possible.
What engine is in the Magician Chinese bikes? in the USA are they CG or CB?

Sorry for the confusion NZ, when I toss around the term CB here, I mean China Bike, not necessarily CB or CG motors.
I'll have to fix that I 'spose.

[NzBrakelathes]

Sorry for the confusion NZ, when I toss around the term CB here, I mean China Bike, not necessarily CB or CG motors.
I'll have to fix that I 'spose.

It’s ok I’ll let you off lol

I mean the OHC is here with EFI at times and there was a hawke type bike with OHC 6 speed oil cooler and EFI

[NorthRider]

Best part is I'm a carpenter with 40+ years of experience. I can probably do the conversion for less than 1/3 the cost the camper cost me. If I would of known back then that we were going to buy the Hawk and UTV I wouldn't of bought the camper and did the conversion instead. Still debating on getting a 28 footer instead of the 24 footer.

I can almost guarantee you'll have a blast doing it. It's really nice to be able to lay things out how you want them, instead of just getting what's available. We are very happy that we did it!

[JerryHawk250]

I can almost guarantee you'll have a blast doing it. It's really nice to be able to lay things out how you want them, instead of just getting what's available. We are very happy that we did it! I'm also an architectural draftsman so I already have my floor plan drawn out. :tup:

[NorthRider]

I'm also an architectural draftsman so I already have my floor plan drawn out. :tup:

Once you get started, make sure you post lots of pictures as you go. If not here, then start a thread on the tnttt.com site. Everyone out there is very friendly, and they know A LOT of stuff! I'd like to follow your project.
:)

[JerryHawk250]

Once you get started, make sure you post lots of pictures as you go. If not here, then start a thread on the tnttt.com site. Everyone out there is very friendly, and they know A LOT of stuff! I'd like to follow your project.
:)

I've been on the tnttt.com site many times. That's where I got a good bit of my ideas from. Now if I can only find a sucker....:hehe: I mean buyer for my camper. lol

[2LZ]

I'm also an architectural draftsman so I already have my floor plan drawn out. :tup:

I always admired you guys. I flunked "Crayon 101". Keeping it inside the lines was a true challenge. ;-)

[NorthRider]

I've been on the tnttt.com site many times. That's where I got a good bit of my ideas from. Now if I can only find a sucker....:hehe: I mean buyer for my camper. lol

Ha! That was a good one! :)

[JerryHawk250]

Alright, we need an update. Pictures, videos, anything. :) Haven't heard from you two in a while. Must be out enjoying the new bikes. ;)

[NorthRider]

Alright, we need an update. Pictures, videos, anything. :) Haven't heard from you two in a while. Must be out enjoying the new bikes. ;)

Haven't had much to report, since it is officially winter here in northern Minnesota. We're taking the bikes out to the Las Vegas area over the Christmas holidays, and we can't wait! We're really looking forward to getting to try them out.

I can report that we're having a heck of a time getting the MCOs from Superiorpowersports. They seem to be giving us the run-around, and it's really driving us crazy! I'm going to be talking directly to BMS this afternoon and try to get some paperwork. We need the bikes registered here in Minnesota before we take them out west. I'll let you all know how that goes.

[JerryHawk250]

Haven't had much to report, since it is officially winter here in northern Minnesota. We're taking the bikes out to the Las Vegas area over the Christmas holidays, and we can't wait! We're really looking forward to getting to try them out.

I can report that we're having a heck of a time getting the MCOs from Superiorpowersports. They seem to be giving us the run-around, and it's really driving us crazy! I'm going to be talking directly to BMS this afternoon and try to get some paperwork. We need the bikes registered here in Minnesota before we take them out west. I'll let you all know how that goes.

Hope you get that taken care of before. Good luck.

[NorthRider]

Hope you get that taken care of before. Good luck.

The guy at the BMS Corp. who handles the MCOs wasn't in today, so that's not great. I did speak to a very helpful guy who PROMISED to tell the MCO guy first thing Monday morning, and I believe he will. However, this is definitely cutting it too close for comfort!

Fingers crossed until Monday!

[Cravin01]

Good to see you two back, Well if you can't get it sorted by the time you leave just stop by Dallas on your way and enjoy a good long ride! You can die of old age waiting on a officer for a police report and you'd have to run a few red lights to get any attention, Just make a paper tag and write random numbers on it and put Texas on the top in crayon and you good to go. I kid you not!

Hope your enjoying the bikes.

[NorthRider]

Good to see you two back, Well if you can't get it sorted by the time you leave just stop by Dallas on your way and enjoy a good long ride! You can die of old age waiting on a officer for a police report and you'd have to run a few red lights to get any attention, Just make a paper tag and write random numbers on it and put Texas on the top in crayon and you good to go. I kid you not!
Hope your enjoying the bikes.

Your paper tag idea really made us laugh. You see, four years ago we flew to Houston to buy a slightly used Jeep Wrangler. We'd been looking for a Wrangler for me for months, and could not find what we were looking for around here. My husband spotted the perfect Jeep at a dealership in Houston, and we thought, "Why not?" Long story short, the salesman who sold it to us came out with a piece of paper, scissors, tape, and some plastic wrap. He trimmed the "temporary plate", taped it to the plate holder, then taped plastic wrap over it so it wouldn't get wet. I kid you not, too!!

We drove all the way home to Minnesota with that pretend plate. :)

[NorthRider]

Well, we finally(!) got our MCOs. SuperiorPowersports wasn't much help but we paid for next day air service, and the MCOs came today. I went straight to the DMV and got the bikes registered and paid the sales tax.

The registrar had no issues with any of the paperwork, and I walked out of there 15 minutes later with two new Minnesota motorcycle license plates. We're scheduled to leave tomorrow, so this was all down to the wire.

We can hardly wait to try out the new bikes and get them broken in! I'll let you all know how it goes.

Merry Christmas, Everyone!

[JerryHawk250]

Congrats! That's awesome. :tup:

Merry Christmas. Y'all have fun.

[Cravin01]

Yay..No homemade paper plates! It always seems like your praying nothing goes south on these bikes when it comes to the paperwork.

[NorthRider]

We took the new bikes out to Red Rock Canyon near Las Vegas over Christmas vacation, and everything went great.

We were able to do some riding and break in the new BMS CRP250s. We are VERY pleased with these bikes! They started right up and ran just great! We were both surprised at how well they handle.

We were riding almost exclusively on paved roads, with a little bit of gravel road riding. The Red Rock Canyon scenic loop is a really fun road to ride on motorcycles, and the scenery is amazing!

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1453

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1455

We camped at an area nearby. Unfortunately, the Red Rock campground was closed due to the government shut down, so we had to boondock about 15 miles away.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1454

The BMS CRP250s performed great -- very comfortable, fun riders! Now we have to wait four more long months until we can get them out again. At least we got a little taste -- enough to know that we're really pleased with our decision to buy them.

[culcune]

Great you guys got to 'play' with them this winter. There is a company that rents out those three wheel Scoot Coupes and offers organized guided tours of Red Rock. Also, another company that rents out traditional Genuine 2 stroke 50cc scooters for a guided tour there. One of the places I was thinking of working was Vegas and had plans to have a side business renting out TGB scooters since my friend distributes those in the US. I still haven't ruled that out. As far as the BMS bikes go, I am not surprised by them working well since Bashan has been known as a high quality bike. The bonus with BMS is they will be getting their bike CARB certified for California, so this will be another low cost enduro available here. I should ask...is your seat modification working out? I mean, is it comfortable out in the 'wild' as far as long rides go?

[NorthRider]

Great you guys got to 'play' with them this winter. There is a company that rents out those three wheel Scoot Coupes and offers organized guided tours of Red Rock. Also, another company that rents out traditional Genuine 2 stroke 50cc scooters for a guided tour there. One of the places I was thinking of working was Vegas and had plans to have a side business renting out TGB scooters since my friend distributes those in the US. I still haven't ruled that out. As far as the BMS bikes go, I am not surprised by them working well since Bashan has been known as a high quality bike. The bonus with BMS is they will be getting their bike CARB certified for California, so this will be another low cost enduro available here. I should ask...is your seat modification working out? I mean, is it comfortable out in the 'wild' as far as long rides go?

My seat modification is working out fine. It was really comfortable, which surprised me. We took a lot of short breaks to enjoy the scenery, so I can't vouch for how it will be on a long ride. I guess I'll find out come Spring!

I'm not surprised to hear that there are places that rent scooters, etc. I had a couple of people asked me if we had rented them.

[Chester]

We took the new bikes out to Red Rock Canyon near Las Vegas over Christmas vacation, and everything went great.

We were able to do some riding and break in the new BMS CRP250s. We are VERY pleased with these bikes! They started right up and ran just great! We were both surprised at how well they handle.

We were riding almost exclusively on paved roads, with a little bit of gravel road riding. The Red Rock Canyon scenic loop is a really fun road to ride on motorcycles, and the scenery is amazing!

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1453

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1455

We camped at an area nearby. Unfortunately, the Red Rock campground was closed due to the government shut down, so we had to boondock about 15 miles away.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1454

The BMS CRP250s performed great -- very comfortable, fun riders! Now we have to wait four more long months until we can get them out again. At least we got a little taste -- enough to know that we're really pleased with our decision to buy them.

Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the great information. Can you post some closeup pics of the bikes. Just like overall closeup of the entire bike and stuff like engine and controls etc. Have been researching this bike for some time and have found very little. Been patiently waiting for someone to do a video review.

Thanks again for all the updates!

[NorthRider]

Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the great information. Can you post some closeup pics of the bikes. Just like overall closeup of the entire bike and stuff like engine and controls etc. Have been researching this bike for some time and have found very little. Been patiently waiting for someone to do a video review.

Thanks again for all the updates!

No problem -- I'll take a bunch of close-up shots tomorrow and get them posted.

[Chester]

No problem -- I'll take a bunch of close-up shots tomorrow and get them posted.

Many thanks! Can't wait to see them. I'm leaning toward the blue myself...looks just like Yamaha blue. The red is also nice. These are probably the nicest china duals I've come across in my research. I know everybody gets the Hawk bikes but I think these are just a notch better.

[culcune]

The BMS bike's OEM is Bashan. There are 3 models of Bashan dual sports offered to us in the US, and this is #4. Bashan has been offering high quality, solid performing bikes, as long as you take the Chinese part into perspectin.

[NzBrakelathes]

http://chinariders.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15200&stc=1&d=1545637166

http://chinariders.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15201&stc=1&d=1545637166

I found this orphan locally - there are NO Bashan dealers in China that I have seen or heard of at all - purely export

[JerryHawk250]

I really like the pictures. :tup: What a view.

[NorthRider]

Hey, Chester. Here are some close-up photos for you. I'd love to do a video review, but I don't know much about doing videos. Hope these are what you were looking for. The blue one is my husband's bike, and I must say I think it's the nicer color of the two. There's just the tiniest amount of metallic flake in the blue paint -- you have to look hard to see it, but it makes for a deeper color.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1456

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1459

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1461

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1460

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1457

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1458

So far, we are very happy with our decision to purchase these bikes! We also were desperate for information before buying them, and there was little to be found. In the end, the fact that they're Bashans gave us confidence to go ahead and buy. No regrets!

[Chester]

Hey, Chester. Here are some close-up photos for you. I'd love to do a video review, but I don't know much about doing videos. Hope these are what you were looking for. The blue one is my husband's bike, and I must say I think it's the nicer color of the two. There's just the tiniest amount of metallic flake in the blue paint -- you have to look hard to see it, but it makes for a deeper color.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1456

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1459

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1461

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1460

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1457

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1458

So far, we are very happy with our decision to purchase these bikes! We also were desperate for information before buying them, and there was little to be found. In the end, the fact that they're Bashans gave us confidence to go ahead and buy. No regrets!

Thanks for the pics!! How many miles have you guys clocked?

[NorthRider]

We haven't clocked as many miles as we'd have liked, that's for sure. We're showing 130 km, which I guess is about 80 miles.

If the vacation had gone according to plan, I like to think that number would be higher!

[Hellkitty]

We took the new bikes out to Red Rock Canyon near Las Vegas over Christmas vacation, and everything went great.

We were able to do some riding and break in the new BMS CRP250s. We are VERY pleased with these bikes! They started right up and ran just great! We were both surprised at how well they handle.

We were riding almost exclusively on paved roads, with a little bit of gravel road riding. The Red Rock Canyon scenic loop is a really fun road to ride on motorcycles, and the scenery is amazing!

We camped at an area nearby. Unfortunately, the Red Rock campground was closed due to the government shut down, so we had to boondock about 15 miles away.


I used to go mountain biking there every Thanksgiving, I'd start from Blue Diamond and ride up towards Red Rock canyon. Beautiful area! Lots of wild burros in that area too.

[NorthRider]

I used to go mountain biking there every Thanksgiving, I'd start from Blue Diamond and ride up towards Red Rock canyon. Beautiful area! Lots of wild burros in that area too.

We weren't lucky enough to see any of the wild burros or horses, but the natural beauty there is amazing!!

[Chester]

We haven't clocked as many miles as we'd have liked, that's for sure. We're showing 130 km, which I guess is about 80 miles.

If the vacation had gone according to plan, I like to think that number would be higher!

Sorry if you already mentioned this but I couldn'r find it in the thread. Who did you purchase the bikes from? And how would you rate the experience?

Thanks

[JerryHawk250]

Sorry if you already mentioned this but I couldn'r find it in the thread. Who did you purchase the bikes from? And how would you rate the experience?

Thanks

If I remember correctly they got them from Superiorpowersports.

[Chester]

I noticed on the website that these do not have a gas guage. Is that correct? I know the Bashan BSR 250 does and the Hawk does too and the cluster is essentially identical. Can anyone confirm that?

Thanks

[JerryHawk250]

I noticed on the website that these do not have a gas guage. Is that correct? I know the Bashan BSR 250 does and the Hawk does too and the cluster is essentially identical. Can anyone confirm that?

Thanks

That is correct. No gas gauge on the CRP 250 but the Hawk and BSR 250 do.

[NorthRider]

Sorry if you already mentioned this but I couldn'r find it in the thread. Who did you purchase the bikes from? And how would you rate the experience?

Thanks

We bought them from SuperiorPowersports. The purchasing experience was very good. Actual costs were exactly what we'd been told, and shipping was quick.

When it came time for the MCO paperwork, though, things could have been better. I felt like we were getting a song and dance from SuperiorPowersports, and we were on a tight schedule due to a planned vacation. I finally spoke directly to BMS, and they got the MCOs to me in time.

So, the experience with SuperiorPowersports was kind of a mixed bag.

[NorthRider]

That is correct. No gas gauge on the CRP 250 but the Hawk and BSR 250 do.

Jerry's right -- no gas guage. We didn't see any sending plate or float in the tank, so so it's really not set up to add one as a future mod.

[NzBrakelathes]

Jerry's right -- no gas guage. We didn't see any sending plate or float in the tank, so so it's really not set up to add one as a future mod.

You can add it by buying a gas tank and sender and do a little wiring.
Assuming tank and plastic combo is the same from each bike etc.

[Chester]

So I found this review on a Bashan BSR 250 aka Enforcer. And the review is quite bad and a little concerning to me. Anyone have long term experience that can comment on this review. I know it's only one review but jeez it's bad.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=71620.0

Thanks

[JerryHawk250]

So I found this review on a Bashan BSR 250 aka Enforcer. And the review is quite bad and a little concerning to me. Anyone have long term experience that can comment on this review. I know it's only one review but jeez it's bad.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=71620.0

Thanks
ski_rush (http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?action=profile;u=22232) is/was a member on chinariders. Once he got the bugs worked out he had a change of heart about the bike but couldn't shake the China bike syndrome . He had sold the bike and ended up buying a Suzuki GS500F. If you read some of the other members reviews on here you will see it's a decent bike.

[Megadan]

So I found this review on a Bashan BSR 250 aka Enforcer. And the review is quite bad and a little concerning to me. Anyone have long term experience that can comment on this review. I know it's only one review but jeez it's bad.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=71620.0

Thanks

That review is exactly why I put together my Info and Resource thread, with the very first post being about setup and prep on the bike. Many of the issues he had were avoidable, some not.

The fact that he stripped out the handlebar clamps is not a problem with the bike, but a problem with the person who tightened a steel bolt into aluminum. He over tightened it, making him incompetent. This likely spread to all of his other issues.

As a case in point, he also drained the forks the wrong way, by removing the damping rod bolt on the bottom of the fork. Don't ever do this unless you plan on disassembling the forks. Yes, it is possible the bolt was cross threaded from the factory, that happens from time to time. He should never have been removing that bolt to begin with, thus creating his own problems.

The factory batteries and tire tubes are both known poor quality parts on almost all of these bikes. Not surprising there, and he would have found that info for himself if he researched as much as he claims to have.

Front brakes are not the strongest things in the world, it's true. Proper bleeding and actually servicing the calipers during assembly go a long way toward helping that scenario. I would almost guess his caliper was not actuating properly, or the master cylinder had a bad seal. I have never felt like my Hawk's brakes were as weak as he claims. My previous hawk could grab hard enough to lock up and damn near bottom out the front suspension. So, weak? no.

His suspension complaint can be legitimate for a stock bike. Setting up proper rider sag with preload spacers and setting the right fluid level with the right weight of fluid gets rid of most of that.

You get out of these bikes what you put into them. They aren't perfect, but they aren't incapable of being good either. Just ask the many members here that have put thousands of miles on their bikes over the years. If this kind of stuff scares you, then I would suggest to keep saving your money until you can afford a good used Japanese bike. There is a degree of mechanical competence that is required to own these bikes. Just keep in mind that there is a whole community here to help you if you do decide to pull the trigger, and it is a great way to learn and build the skills needed to work on almost any bike.

If you want to talk more, feel free to message me.

Sorry for hijacking the thread.

[Chester]

That review is exactly why I put together my Info and Resource thread, with the very first post being about setup and prep on the bike. Many of the issues he had were avoidable, some not.

The fact that he stripped out the handlebar clamps is not a problem with the bike, but a problem with the person who tightened a steel bolt into aluminum. He over tightened it, making him incompetent. This likely spread to all of his other issues.

As a case in point, he also drained the forks the wrong way, by removing the damping rod bolt on the bottom of the fork. Don't ever do this unless you plan on disassembling the forks. Yes, it is possible the bolt was cross threaded from the factory, that happens from time to time. He should never have been removing that bolt to begin with, thus creating his own problems.

The factory batteries and tire tubes are both known poor quality parts on almost all of these bikes. Not surprising there, and he would have found that info for himself if he researched as much as he claims to have.

Front brakes are not the strongest things in the world, it's true. Proper bleeding and actually servicing the calipers during assembly go a long way toward helping that scenario. I would almost guess his caliper was not actuating properly, or the master cylinder had a bad seal. I have never felt like my Hawk's brakes were as weak as he claims. My previous hawk could grab hard enough to lock up and damn near bottom out the front suspension. So, weak? no.

His suspension complaint can be legitimate for a stock bike. Setting up proper rider sag with preload spacers and setting the right fluid level with the right weight of fluid gets rid of most of that.

You get out of these bikes what you put into them. They aren't perfect, but they aren't incapable of being good either. Just ask the many members here that have put thousands of miles on their bikes over the years. If this kind of stuff scares you, then I would suggest to keep saving your money until you can afford a good used Japanese bike. There is a degree of mechanical competence that is required to own these bikes. Just keep in mind that there is a whole community here to help you if you do decide to pull the trigger, and it is a great way to learn and build the skills needed to work on almost any bike.

If you want to talk more, feel free to message me.

Sorry for hijacking the thread.



Wow!! Thanks for explaining all that. Most of which I kind of already assumed. Most of the time it is operator error. And having a mechanical understanding of a motorcycle is certainly key. Mostly I plan t putz around on fireroads. My days of aggressive riding are over. Just looking for something to bomb around on. At about 1/3 of the price of a used CRF250L I was intrigued. When I saw this particular review my vision became cloudy so I reached out and so far the response is amazing. What an amazing community here.

I am leaning toward the Bashan BSR 250 based on the fact it does have a fuel level indicator and I can get it for about $500 less then the BMS CRP250 from gocartsusa. However on the BMS I like the better forks, wave rotors which may have better stopping power, rear rack, black wheels and overall cosmetically looks better. And it has been confirmed its a Bashan which is also good from what I've read. Would love to hear more feedback on the BMS CRP250 suspension and braking.

Basically from my research it appears all these bikes are rebadged and all parts are interchangeable more or less. It seems some just have slightly better components etc.

Also does anyone have a resource for a build video on the BMS CRP250 or just a general overview of the bike? I found 1 video on youtube that was about 45 seconds long from turbopowersports just doing a quick pan of all 3 colors.

[culcune]

There are 4 bikes imported to the US from Bashan, the Brozz 250, the Storm 250, the BSR 250, and BMS's CRP 250. The Brozz is imported by Peace Sports, the Storm and BSR via a ragtag importer, and BMS's bike by BMS. The BSR was meant to go head to head against the Hawk, so will have shortcomings due to part of what it competes with the Hawk--price. The other 3 are essentially 'premium' Chinese dual sports. I believe the reason the BMS costs more is in anticipation to BMS actually getting its bike CARB certified; there will be thousands of additional dollars for that which will have to be recouped ala CSC's TT250. I was curious about if only BMS's bike was getting certified, and Bashan's N. American rep who I have been in contact with the last few years confirmed that it is. He said they would have to increase Bashan's price per bike if they wanted to have all the bikes CARB certified. The point is, if you wanted a BMS bike, or a Storm or Brozz, you will have a slightly higher quality bike, but will have to pay for it. If you want a Bashan quality bike instead of a Hawk, you will save some money with the BSR, but you will pay for it in sweat! But at least, as compared to its 'premium' stablemates, at least you will have a fuel gauge! :tup:

[Troiani49]

Is the BMS CRP 250 engine counterbalance, if not how are the vibrations at highway speed’s?

[NorthRider]

Is the BMS CRP 250 engine counterbalance, if not how are the vibrations at highway speed’s?


Nope, the CRP250 engine is not counterbalanced. We didn't notice vibration, but we were still breaking them in so we weren't at highway speed for any prolonged amount of time.

[paulsstag]

I finally finished modifying my seat to make it a more rideable height for me. It really freaked me out to be cutting into the seat foam, but it turned out pretty decent.

I ended up taking out 2-1/2 inches, maybe a little more. Cutting the foam was pretty tricky, and I had to do a lot of work to get it smooth after the cut. We got the seat cover back on without too much trouble.

The whole thing was worth it though, since it makes the bike a much safer and more controlled height for me. Here are pictures of my modified seat compared to the stock seat on my husband's bike.

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1433

http://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=271&pictureid=1434

Excellent job on the seat mod. It's hard to tear into something new and probably make it look terrible. It looks like a professional job . Also on my TBR7 i could have loosened the preload on the rear spring and dropped the fork tubes in the triple clamps, Is that an option on your bikes to drop them a little more if needed ? it might help with the future father/son project that someone else had mentioned on your thread.

[NorthRider]

Excellent job on the seat mod. It's hard to tear into something new and probably make it look terrible. It looks like a professional job . Also on my TBR7 i could have loosened the preload on the rear spring and dropped the fork tubes in the triple clamps, Is that an option on your bikes to drop them a little more if needed ? it might help with the future father/son project that someone else had mentioned on your thread.

We lowered the front forks by about 3/4 of an inch. That change, combined with the new seat height, really made a difference. The bike is now a very comfortable height for me -- I'm nearly flat footed when I'm on it. The height and handling now feel very safe and controlled.

I was nervous about cutting into the seat foam, but it worked out just fine.

[Ariel Red Hunter]

Jerry's right -- no gas guage. We didn't see any sending plate or float in the tank, so so it's really not set up to add one as a future mod.Wow, there's a real deal breaker, no gas guage! Since I've never had, or ridden a motorcycle that had a gas guage, AND have never run out of gas, although I've been on reserve many times, I obviously have missed out on one of the main pleasures of motor cycling...ARH :lmao:

[Megadan]

Wow, there's a real deal breaker, no gas guage! Since I've never had, or ridden a motorcycle that had a gas guage, AND have never run out of gas, although I've been on reserve many times, I obviously have missed out on one of the main pleasures of motor cycling...ARH :lmao:

A fuel gauge is a nice thing to have, but not entirely necessary. I have had bikes without them, and once I had an understanding of their typical range it really didn't matter. With the Hawk style bikes and their 3 to 3.5 gallon range, being ready to fill up around 150 miles is a fairly safe estimate.

Even with a fuel gauge, they aren't the most accurate. Both of my Hawks would blink the fuel light with a gallon left in the tank.

[Forgiven1]

As far as I'm concerned most of the other china bikes don't come with a fuel gauge either LOL. The one on my 2019 Tao reads peak full until the tank is down to like 1/4 or less, then it starts to come down just a hair (more on this when I post my review) . I say again LOL!

[Duggo]

I am currently waiting for my BMS CRP 250 bought from Don Hopper’s site, shopapmc.com. Price is $1399. Not including shipping.
What sold me on the bike was, it’s a Bashan, 49 state legal, the 21,18 wheels, dual disc brakes, inverted forks, and a low 29” seat height. I’m hoping to teach my son how to ride a motorcycle and was going to buy the DB-41H enforcer but Don talked me into the BMS with the lower seat height.
Hoping to be a nice Father-Son project on the build.
Any specific mods needed for the bike would truly be appreciated.

How did things go with Don? He's been great with me. I just ordered, so we shall see how the shipping goes.

[herbie]

Thanks for this thread NorthRider, I love all the pics! It will help me with my decision process. Looks like nice bikes!

[NorthRider]

Thanks for this thread NorthRider, I love all the pics! It will help me with my decision process. Looks like nice bikes!

If you end up getting a BMS, I think you'll be happy -- I know we're really happy with our choice!

[toddb4]

Thanks, NorthRider for all the useful info. I purchased one and now have it together and registered (VA). Still have a few mods to do but it's running. Bought it mostly for commuter bike.
VA DMV took some time to register as they had to 'add' Bashan to their database.

[JerryHawk250]

Thanks, NorthRider for all the useful info. I purchased one and now have it together and registered (VA). Still have a few mods to do but it's running. Bought it mostly for commuter bike.
VA DMV took some time to register as they had to 'add' Bashan to their database.
Welcome aboard and congrats on the new bike. :tup:

[wedooit]

Hey todd welcome aboard! We also have the bms and northrider helped us tremendously. If you need any addition info you can check out my thread on the bms

[toddb4]

Seems to running OK, but I get some knocking at higher RPM's. would this be the valves? I have not checked them yet.

I changed out the carb for a [fake] Mikuni with 110/40 jets. (the factory K. carb was not bad with 105/34 jets). I have not noticed much improvement in performance yet. hopefully will be a little easier to start/warmup.

New NGK D8EA plug.

I also cut my seat down (as I am only 5'6"). Still on my toes, but better now. I was excited to see this bike had a 29" seat height on ALL the web sites (hah!).

[culcune]

VA DMV took some time to register as they had to 'add' Bashan to their database.

Interesting that you are apparently the only person with a Bashan in Virginia! There are several Bashan bikes out there distributed by a few distributors, but they would all use the same VINs. The Brozz is very popular (and very similar to the BMS), not to mention the Storm, and the DB 41 (the Bashan clone of the Hawk). You must feel special!! :tup:

Seems to running OK, but I get some knocking at higher RPM's. would this be the valves? I have not checked them yet.

I changed out the carb for a [fake] Mikuni with 110/40 jets. (the factory K. carb was not bad with 105/34 jets). I have not noticed much improvement in performance yet. hopefully will be a little easier to start/warmup.

New NGK D8EA plug.

I also cut my seat down (as I am only 5'6"). Still on my toes, but better now. I was excited to see this bike had a 29" seat height on ALL the web sites (hah!).

Valves are good to adjust so you have a baseline...I assume you warmed up the engine and dumped out that goo they ship the bikes with, for real oil? On the other hand, if you go to www.Brozz250.com, Jeff who works for Peace Motorsports has a few videos on assembling the Brozz (like I said, very much like your BMS) and he actually states the oil it ships with is ok to run it with for a few hundred miles as it is apparently real break-in oil. This will be up for debate.

Had you asked ahead of time, the seat height is 35" and BMS's site seems to be the only one that properly lists it. Perhaps they had the wrong height when they first carried these bikes and the 29" misinformation is what the online retailers ran with while BMS corrected their mistake? We will never know, :)

My personal opinion would have been to wait on the carb change until you have the engine broken in. These bikes tend to take about 500 miles to get there, and then you will notice a big change in performance. I am not saying you did anything wrong, but it seems that with these bikes, it is best to keep them stock through break-in more so you can notice the differences with parts as you fiddle or replace them.

Welcome aboard!