View Full Version : 2019 Pitster Pro XTR 250 T4 (21/18)
Don't get all excited yet... lol
The bike is kind of here, here in CT anyway....Got an e-mail form Old Dominion that the bike arrived at their South Windsor, CT facility, I was all set to go pick it up with my truck this afternoon...But damn!! they are closed on weekends :cry: I'll schedule a delivery or go get it early next week.
I thought I'd get a thread started on the bike since its so close. I can have a quick place to post pics and any one interested can get my scoop on the XTR 250.
Stay tuned :D
da4design
12-15-2018, 07:05 PM
so close! look forward to seeing what it looks like and your thoughts
BBOWL10
12-15-2018, 07:31 PM
Keep us posted!
NzBrakelathes
12-15-2018, 09:00 PM
This is the PitsterPro not the GPX FSE250E?
Thought the XTR ran out. the GPX if specs online are correct will the the most powerfull CB250 motor made in it 15Kw of power.
The XTR if the 69mm piston version isn't a slow motor either
Megadan
12-15-2018, 10:45 PM
This is the PitsterPro not the GPX FSE250E?
Thought the XTR ran out. the GPX if specs online are correct will the the most powerfull CB250 motor made in it 15Kw of power.
The XTR if the 69mm piston version isn't a slow motor either
Pitster Pro still sells the XTR T4 250 line of bikes. The GPX FSE250E uses a 71mm bore air cooled engine and longer travel suspension. The XTR uses the previous 65.5mm bore OHC engine, aka CB250 223cc engine.
NzBrakelathes
12-16-2018, 02:52 AM
Pitster Pro still sells the XTR T4 250 line of bikes. The GPX FSE250E uses a 71mm bore air cooled engine and longer travel suspension. The XTR uses the previous 65.5mm bore OHC engine, aka CB250 223cc engine.
Gothya but on that note there is an error in info as they show the engine to be the 69mm (232.6cc) piston when you look at the Zongshen diagram where you say it is 65.5mm (223cc, I am not saying you are wrong) just something doesn't add up.
I often wondered if there was a mix up of info as I once saw locally a PP 223cc motor for sale but thought it was odd being the 223cc and the PP website showing the 232.6cc engine, that is the AJP PR3&4 240 engine. I had this in a Hawk/Brazilian off road newer style bike and has better power for sure.
https://gpxmoto.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=10&product_id=77
I hope and wonder if the GPX is infact the GREAT power air cooled 249.9cc which is 71.50mm going by info I saw in China - YES this is the 15Kw and 18Nm engine that slips right into the CG or CB places if I am not mistaken.
It also has rubber mounts much like you find in the Hawk hub or some swing arms etc - I haven't ridden a bike with this motor but I suspect it will blow your socks off if you are familiar with the air cooled motors.
That motor then should in theory fit AJP GPX PP Hawk Magician and anything non balance shaft Chinese Air cooled engine bikes.:clap:
Anyway the info somewhere seems to be not totally correct but I do not know what or which is right or wrong.
This is the PitsterPro not the GPX FSE250E?
Thought the XTR ran out. the GPX if specs online are correct will the the most powerfull CB250 motor made in it 15Kw of power.
The XTR if the 69mm piston version isn't a slow motor either
Correct, I purchased a 2019 T4 XTR 250 LC with 21/18" rims and the air cooled, 223cc engine.
Here's a few specs from Pitster's site:
Engine: 65.5mm x 66.2mm, Four stroke 223cc SOHC Air Cooled
Compression Ratio: 9.6:1
Suspension travel: 10.5" Front/ 10.25" Rear
Megadan
12-16-2018, 08:04 AM
Gothya but on that note there is an error in info as they show the engine to be the 69mm (232.6cc) piston when you look at the Zongshen diagram where you say it is 65.5mm (223cc, I am not saying you are wrong) just something doesn't add up.
One thing you have to keep in mind with bikes shipped into the U.S. is that our emissions regulations can cause the bike to be specified differently to how it may be where you are. In China his bike might well come with the engine you are talking about, but here that engine may not have passed or even been tested for emissions.
Since those tests are very involved and can get quite expensive, it isn't unusual for many of these companies to simply have an engine that has already met and passed said testing. This reduces the cost greatly and simplifies the importing process as a whole.
That is how you end up with a bike like the XTR T4 250. It has much better hardware than the typical cheap dirt bikes, but with the same kind of engine, which to be honest isn't really a bad engine, just not quite the most powerful. The GPX line of bikes is a lot more expensive entirely because of said engines and their subsequent testing. Hardware wise, they aren't a whole lot more involved than the Pister bikes.
NzBrakelathes
12-16-2018, 11:25 AM
One thing you have to keep in mind with bikes shipped into the U.S. is that our emissions regulations can cause the bike to be specified differently to how it may be where you are. In China his bike might well come with the engine you are talking about, but here that engine may not have passed or even been tested for emissions.
Since those tests are very involved and can get quite expensive, it isn't unusual for many of these companies to simply have an engine that has already met and passed said testing. This reduces the cost greatly and simplifies the importing process as a whole.
That is how you end up with a bike like the XTR T4 250. It has much better hardware than the typical cheap dirt bikes, but with the same kind of engine, which to be honest isn't really a bad engine, just not quite the most powerful. The GPX line of bikes is a lot more expensive entirely because of said engines and their subsequent testing. Hardware wise, they aren't a whole lot more involved than the Pister bikes.
Sorry you missed my point/ I didn't write my point clearly - I was comparing all specs to what you said and the old PitersterPro & GPX website.
223cc is the 65.5mm Piston, you will see the GPX motor listed (was the same when it was PitsterPro) as being the 69mm piston and 232.6cc(233cc).
Then the new GPX is the one with 71.5mm piston and rubber mounts should the details be correct.
So GPX shows 3 different engines? or are there only 2? this is the confusion.
Following pic from the GPX website and it was the same as PitsterPro but that is now changed
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I was comparing the engines for GPX/PitsterPro and not bikes in China which may or may not have the same engines - you are bang on as in China nothing much has a CG engine (few farmer bikes 150cc the real cheap sports bikes if you can still find them CG200) Almost all dirt bikes run a CB250 from several engine makers mostly Zongshen or Loncin. The orphans have a CB150 motor.
Sorry I didn't make my info clear but it all related to what I have either seen on the old PP website, current GPX website and a 223cc PitsterPro engine offered from a wholesaler in Chongqing which was less then $200 which was a super sharp price even for here.
NzBrakelathes
12-16-2018, 11:38 AM
Another way to see my point is download the parts manual for that engine, I think that might be flawed as well, yes the basic 223cc motor has a gearbox set up like CB125-200 and you will see a mix of CB125D and CG200 stuff as they seem to interchange.
Yet look at the factory spec sheet being 232.6cc and that is 100% like the AJP PR3/4 240 motors. Then look at the AJP 125 & 200 motor diagram and you will see the gearbox gear look like what is in the manual for the XTR/GPX motor which isn't like the 240AJP
Am I confusing you lads yet? I am nearly confused how the hell I should write it - BUT I understand it ion my head lol.
The 223cc Motor you got I am pretty sure is what is in my own CQR250 - fine motor no stress there, just the 232.6cc is a notch more powerful and the new 71.5 is another animal again with I think Nikasil coated cylinder or at least a much better more powerful motor and the highest spec power in the air cooled class.
I genuinely think GPX has incorrect info on there site on their crate engine and comparing it to the diagram I know the 2 do not match - not to say they don't supply the correct parts for their engine.
I believe this is the XTR engine - note the spec sheet details:
http://www.zse.cc/productsdetail.aspx?ProductsCateId=43&ProductsID=368&CateID=43
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Well NzBrakelathes ... Luckily I don't care what engine mine comes with. Its not going to matter, as long as it is; tractable, quiet and reliable.
I'm not racing and this bike will likely never see an interstate. All its for is pleasure riding on the tight, twisty trails within an hour or two of me and short a 2 mile commutes to work. If I take it anywhere farther I'll likely truck it there.
Basically, I don't get into the technical minutiae, as long as I'm having fun riding it, the bike is doing what it is intended to and not breaking down... I'm good :)
RedCrowRides
12-16-2018, 06:19 PM
@PaiN- Lol i hear ya man, some people can over think fun until there isn't any left lmao.
If it puts a smile on my face when i ride it and don't leave me anywhere half the time, then the specs be damned.
Please DO post pix when you get it ready, very interested in seeing what it looks like !
Megadan
12-16-2018, 07:23 PM
@PaiN- Lol i hear ya man, some people can over think fun until there isn't any left lmao.
If it puts a smile on my face when i ride it and don't leave me anywhere half the time, then the specs be damned.
Please DO post pix when you get it ready, very interested in seeing what it looks like !
I was already promised pics and video. I can't wait to see it.
NzBrakelathes
12-16-2018, 08:16 PM
Well NzBrakelathes ... Luckily I don't care what engine mine comes with. Its not going to matter, as long as it is; tractable, quiet and reliable.
I'm not racing and this bike will likely never see an interstate. All its for is pleasure riding on the tight, twisty trails within an hour or two of me and short a 2 mile commutes to work. If I take it anywhere farther I'll likely truck it there.
Basically, I don't get into the technical minutiae, as long as I'm having fun riding it, the bike is doing what it is intended to and not breaking down... I'm good :)
That's the spirit mate!
Just I support supply and sometimes advise people where you can get stuff and if info is wrong - puts people wrong.
I wasn't nore trying to be a prick but we often use online manuals or compatible stuff from other sources and if the source/dealer is showing wrong info.... is a pain in the butt!
Your bike is like what we get here and decent so enjoy it! loads of wee upgrades if you are into that sorta thing
:tup:
NzBrakelathes
12-16-2018, 08:20 PM
Well NzBrakelathes ... Luckily I don't care what engine mine comes with. Its not going to matter, as long as it is; tractable, quiet and reliable.
I'm not racing and this bike will likely never see an interstate. All its for is pleasure riding on the tight, twisty trails within an hour or two of me and short a 2 mile commutes to work. If I take it anywhere farther I'll likely truck it there.
Basically, I don't get into the technical minutiae, as long as I'm having fun riding it, the bike is doing what it is intended to and not breaking down... I'm good :)
Sorry that I took over the thread :hmm:
I apologize.
You got your self a good bike don't worry about that, my mind strayed away from your threads intent and I went on a path trying to work out what actual motor or what details were correct.
Sorry that I took over the thread :hmm:
I apologize.
You got your self a good bike don't worry about that, my mind strayed away from your threads intent and I went on a path trying to work out what actual motor or what details were correct.
lol...sometimes that's how threads go. Part, a big part, of the reason I picked this bike is the simplicity of its engine...one cylinder, air cooled, two valves, one cam, a float carb...I just want to ride it and do as easy maintenance as possible. A money pit it will not be....You all might be disappointed but my big plans for it are a set of hand-guards and a dry-pack for storage.
Okay those two things and to get some proper review videos on YouTube of the XTR 250...because right know there's not crap >:( I'll do what I can, but its not riding season here in CT, how much I can get out is very limited. I can't say much if I'm not getting saddle time....but I will keep getting them out over time.
Can't wait to see the first pics. I'm hooked on shiny things.
The pick-up is only mere hours away now :clap:
I guess no matter how old we get...getting new toys is always exciting :D
The 10 day weather forecast is not looking too bad around here but I suspect it'll take at least that long, but probably more to get the bike registered and insured...Then it will be January and the dead of winter :ohno:
Who knows I might just get it assembled, roll it inside to my living room and stare at it until March ....LMAO
chadzu
12-19-2018, 01:26 PM
The motor is a crf230 clone. Only with a 5 speed and a kick starter.
It is an excellent motor and is proven reliable.
Congrats on the new ride! I even think the new graphics are pretty snazzy.
Megadan
12-19-2018, 02:31 PM
The motor is a crf230 clone. Only with a 5 speed and a kick starter.
It is an excellent motor and is proven reliable.
Congrats on the new ride! I even think the new graphics are pretty snazzy.
His bike should have electric start as well. The only other big difference besides 1 less gear is that the new ones come with a 28mm carb now, up from 26.
Honestly, the XTR 250 is like a half price CRF230F, but unlike the Honda, this one comes with all of the street legal hardware.
culcune
12-19-2018, 05:57 PM
PaiN, did you get to choose your sprocket sizes like it states on PP's site ('TBD')?
NzBrakelathes
12-19-2018, 07:43 PM
His bike should have electric start as well. The only other big difference besides 1 less gear is that the new ones come with a 28mm carb now, up from 26.
Honestly, the XTR 250 is like a half price CRF230F, but unlike the Honda, this one comes with all of the street legal hardware.
Huh no PZ30? commonly a PZ30 commonly the CB250s 223 or 232.6cc, the GPX should be a PE30 but that is the powerhouse CB250 at 249cc and a different animal.
I guess we will see what they have fitted around them there parts of the world.
Regardless the lad will enjoy the wheels better then no wheels at all :clap:
Megadan
12-19-2018, 10:33 PM
Huh no PZ30? commonly a PZ30 commonly the CB250s 223 or 232.6cc, the GPX should be a PE30 but that is the powerhouse CB250 at 249cc and a different animal.
I guess we will see what they have fitted around them there parts of the world.
Regardless the lad will enjoy the wheels better then no wheels at all :clap:
The PZ30 has a 26mm venturi that opens up to a 30mm bore at the carb exit. The 28mm carb in the new CRF has a much less dramatic change between the venturi and the exit bore making for a higher flow and a bit more response.
I'm working on the video ...
https://i.postimg.cc/KYjwp4zb/20181219-134258.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/MH2LGDYZ/20181219-143545.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/ncx5b3z0/20181219-143551.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mDFqRqC6/20181219-160357.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/CxP68Y4Q/20181219-172709.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/7ZYWbbSz/20181219-172738.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/m2Snb71R/20181219-165628.jpg
Megadan
12-20-2018, 06:31 AM
Awesome! These always look so much better in person than they do in the stupid stock photos on the seller websites.
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/54332716.jpg
Awesome! These always look so much better in person than they do in the stupid stock photos on the seller websites.
My wife didn't think that when she saw it in the living room.....:grr:
:lmao:
PaiN, did you get to choose your sprocket sizes like it states on PP's site ('TBD')?
No and I haven't checked to see what its running either.... but I will get to these things
JerryHawk250
12-20-2018, 07:34 AM
Sweet looking bike :tup:You couldn't of made a better choice.
JerryHawk250
12-20-2018, 09:00 AM
My wife didn't think that when she saw it in the living room.....:grr:
:lmao:
Just tell her it wouldn't fit in the Christmas Stocking. :hehe:
Just tell her it wouldn't fit in the Christmas Stocking. :hehe:
I had to listen to rash of s**t last night :shrug: Then this morning while she was having coffee, she says "that's a really good looking bike" .... :wtf: woman..
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my reply " I know it is....I like my bikes, like I like my woman, tall, slim and cheap...."
I just keep digging myself in deeper....:doh:
That is awesome! Congrats! Can't wait to get a ride report.....but it also makes a really sweet piece of furniture!
Weldangrind
12-20-2018, 10:53 AM
I love that baby Jesus is watching over it from the mantle.
https://i.postimg.cc/CxP68Y4Q/20181219-172709.jpg
Megadan
12-20-2018, 11:20 AM
I had to listen to rash of s**t last night :shrug: Then this morning while she was having coffee, she says "that's a really good looking bike" .... :wtf: woman..
edit:
my reply " I know it is....I like my bikes, like I like my woman, tall, slim and cheap...."
I just keep digging myself in deeper....:doh:
Better to ask forgiveness than permission. :tup:
Just remember to keep both feet firmly planted on the floor. They end up less likely to entering ones mouth when in that position. lol
So far, I've re-routed the front brake line to under the headlight fairing(I have no idea why it was run in front of the headlight), while under there I cleaned up the wiring and made it all nice-nice and out of the way. Also had to tighten up the dash.
Then I tucked and stowed the rear lighting wiring which was hanging down from the rear fender. I used a "P" shaped wire-stay around the wire bundle then mounted the stay to the inside of the fender using the reflector bolt & nut.. worked like a charm.
I did a complete bolt check and all were good to go. Seems like the more critical ones(engine mounts etc.) have thread-locker.
I found a couple small issues, the front brake caliper bolts are a little long and actually scrape the disk when fully seated...Easily fixed with an extra washer on each bolt. The speedo sensor was also hitting the brake disk and needed adjustment. The chain is badly out of adjustment and the right grip needs to be re-glued.
I'll get the seat off tonight, get some charge on the battery, get it out of the house(before I'm dead...) and fired up tomorrow. I plan to take it for a few spins around the neighborhood as a shake down cruise and to get a few heat-cycles on the engine.
Then the insurance and registration process will begin :crazy:
Tonight I uploaded the first video for the Pitster's play list. Its nothing special but tomorrow it leaves the comfort of the living room for the real world and its 1st startup..I'll do a much more detailed vid with it outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQl0cbhCSEM
nice bike.. white suits it..
my XTR is blue...
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nice bike.. white suits it..
my XTR is blue...
I'm thinking about de-stickering, at least some of it. The right side panel is wrinkled and the colors are a little busy for my tastes (I am over 50 ya know...lol )
Here's my P-clamp fix for the rear wiring, attached to the left rear reflector stud.
https://i.postimg.cc/4NVH69Fj/20181222-083738.jpg
and the engine stamp for you tech guys ;)
https://i.postimg.cc/Kcdg3NQn/20181222-083844.jpg
Megadan
12-22-2018, 09:04 AM
I'm thinking about de-stickering, at least some of it. The right side panel is wrinkled and the colors are a little busy for my tastes (I am over 50 ya know...lol )
That video was a nice quick little intro. Nice looking Victory too.
I would remove all of the stickers myself, but I have never been big on the cheesy graphics most dirt bikes come with. That bike would look really nice all white.
da4design
12-22-2018, 09:25 AM
It looks great, we all love seeing these from crate to finished! Look forward to how it rides.
Okay friends....the Pitster is out in the wild now. :) I took some of the body panel stickers off, they were a little much for a guy my age and I just like this look better....Hopefully this will be the cleanest you ever see this bike ;). After these pics I fired it up for the first time...she came to life on the first push of the button. The bike has a nice quiet rumble(I'm happy about the low db's). I rode around the neighborhood for about 10mins....Who knew 18hp could be so fun :D the bike will be fine for around town riding but I can not wait to get it off-road where it belongs ...
https://i.postimg.cc/Dy13dr3V/20181222-143348.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/K4SQ830B/20181222-143339.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/sfQr1Fng/20181222-143407.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/h4kqdCwb/20181222-143421.jpg
Megadan
12-22-2018, 07:03 PM
That looks much better.
41bigdawg
12-22-2018, 07:22 PM
Very nice...it looks great :)
culcune
12-22-2018, 10:09 PM
Pictures and video are great! Looks really nice without the graphics. Like night and day, great! :tup: Almost makes me want to move back to AZ so I can commute. to work on a plated dirtbike. And conceal carry. And possess and shoot (and if I really want to be different, conceal carry) my AK. Or all three at once...
Azhule
12-22-2018, 10:30 PM
Just remember to keep both feet firmly planted on the floor. They end up less likely to entering ones mouth when in that position. lol
She might remind you, it's also easier to dig your own grave that way :lmao:
She might remind you, it's also easier to dig your own grave that way :lmao:
This is me....But so far, with some slick talking, fast stepping and years of training I've managed to avoid any serious bodily injury and death over this bike ... :wtf:
hehehe
Pictures and video are great! Looks really nice without the graphics. Like night and day, great! :tup: Almost makes me want to move back to AZ so I can commute. to work on a plated dirtbike. And conceal carry. And possess and shoot (and if I really want to be different, conceal carry) my AK. Or all three at once...
Living in these "nanny states" is bulls**t, we plan to evac CT in the next 2 years... Then I'll buy an AK and an AR just to celebrate :clap:
I tried to make a 'first impressions" video yesterday...
I had worked outside on the bike for ~3hours with temp around 40 and a lots of wind. I had to check and switch the spacers on the front tire(which luckily I learned were different sizes), then add hand guards, which required a lot of fitting and I had to bore out the bar-ends because of internal thickness.
Anyway, by the time I got done and out riding & recording, the cold had crept in I was sniffling(so annoying on videos) and not stitching my thoughts together like I wanted....Basically I recorded crap :tdown: I was not happy with it, so it all got scrapped.
The video ain't working out yet, but damn the XTR 250 is a fun bike to ride, I guess I won't mind going out again to give another try ;)
then add hand guards, which required a lot of fitting and I had to bore out the bar-ends because of internal thickness.
16mm Dyna bolt...far better & stronger than the silly fitting they surpply..
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NzBrakelathes
12-24-2018, 07:48 PM
16mm Dyna bolt...far better & stronger than the silly fitting they surpply..
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Merry Christmas Pete! How is it looking? Mine just started n wet cold but hey its Christmas!
Merry Christmas all!
Merry Christmas Pete! How is it looking? Mine just started n wet cold but hey its Christmas!
Merry Christmas all!
Merry Christmas
Hot and sunny here in Canterbury..
the 2 drunks across the road even put on a show...
cops took one away after he though a cooked chicken at the other..
Never a dull moment...
the 2 drunks across the road even put on a show...
cops took one away after he though a cooked chicken at the other..
A least they they read the instruction and were being sanitary, not "handing raw or under cooked meat or meat products" :ohno:
:lmao:
Merry Christmas to all ...
I managed to get the 1st impressions vid done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g-tgCWDx6A
Megadan
12-25-2018, 06:46 AM
To correct you, technically it is a CB engine clone (CBB250) thanks to it's over head cam design. The CG engine is the OHV pushrod engine that started life in the old Honda CG125. Semantics I know, but worth noting.
There should be a way to switch that speedometer from KMH to MPH as well. I don't remember off the top of my head though. That is basically the same gauge cluster all of us Hawk guys upgrade to, so I would be fairly certain the way to set it up is the same.
The comfort with doing wheelies and such isn't too surprising. I have the same uneasy feeling on most enduros, and a lot of it has to do with the tall skinny tires, the lack of weight, short wheel base, and the height of the bike in general. I am far more comfortable getting the front wheel up on my 560lb, nearly 200hp sport touring rocket ship than I am on a sub 20hp, 300lb Hawk.
Great first impressions video though. I think you at least touched on every aspect of the bike most guys would be curious about. I am definitely interested in your impressions on the suspension once you get a chance to dial it in more.
NzBrakelathes
12-25-2018, 10:27 AM
With ignition off hold the button in dash keep holding turn on ignition and somehow you can change to miles
Just give it a try
Yeah the dash is like what I got and tested out on a bike similar to this one! Might need to see if this bike is a Kayo? And see if I can get the same mount so I can sit the dash on correctly etc
Interesting stuff!
Merry Christmas all
NzBrakelathes
12-25-2018, 10:31 AM
To correct you, technically it is a CB engine clone (CBB250) thanks to it's over head cam design. The CG engine is the OHV pushrod engine that started life in the old Honda CG125. Semantics I know, but worth noting.
There should be a way to switch that speedometer from KMH to MPH as well. I don't remember off the top of my head though. That is basically the same gauge cluster all of us Hawk guys upgrade to, so I would be fairly certain the way to set it up is the same.
The comfort with doing wheelies and such isn't too surprising. I have the same uneasy feeling on most enduros, and a lot of it has to do with the tall skinny tires, the lack of weight, short wheel base, and the height of the bike in general. I am far more comfortable getting the front wheel up on my 560lb, nearly 200hp sport touring rocket ship than I am on a sub 20hp, 300lb Hawk.
Great first impressions video though. I think you at least touched on every aspect of the bike most guys would be curious about. I am definitely interested in your impressions on the suspension once you get a chance to dial it in more.
CBB is OHC and balance shaft in the front
CB is the common no balance shaft or counter balance shaft to be technically correct
If you look on the pics and links of Zongshen you get a good over view of all the options etc etc
The motor is the same mounting as CG without the balance shaft
CG or CBB are also the same mounting to each other but a slight change in front top mount I think is where it changes
Hope your day is fab and I’m off to bed! Near midnight here now lol
Sorry, about the mis-speak on the engine, I'm still learning my way around this bike. I'm going to try to lookup what I have from the engine #
I watched a MotoCheez vid where he was installing a similar dash, he seemed to change his from kilometers to miles by holding down the dash button for about 10 secs with the ignition on. I'll try both ways to change it later today(unless the first way works :hehe: ).
I got a Kayo manual, so the bike must be a Kayo.... Which leads me to ask: What the hell is a Kayo? :hmm:
The XTR is definitely light and high feeling, especially since for the last 5 years I've been sitting deep in an 850lbs Victory Cross County...I'm not secure and confident in the saddle yet...But I think the biggest issue is the tires. I can feel their bite on soft, wet of the lawn(my big off-road adventure so far....:lmao: ) but on the pavement, I feel everyone of those big knobbies flexing...On a good note, I'm getting more, more used to it every time I ride the little thing.
culcune
12-25-2018, 12:16 PM
I had (still have most of) a TMEC 200 enduro. My friend was the importer for TMEC's enduros and one could order them with either 17/17 street wheels/tires or 21/18. Even though I was living in the desert southwest, I bought the 17/17 setup because Yuma, AZ is quad country due to the soft sand surrounding it (unless you are into serious sand duning which I doubt most any 250 class enduro would be useful in). I think any feeling of instability is due to your knobbies.
NzBrakelathes
12-25-2018, 09:09 PM
Sorry, about the mis-speak on the engine, I'm still learning my way around this bike. I'm going to try to lookup what I have from the engine #
I watched a MotoCheez vid where he was installing a similar dash, he seemed to change his from kilometers to miles by holding down the dash button for about 10 secs with the ignition on. I'll try both ways to change it later today(unless the first way works :hehe: ).
I got a Kayo manual, so the bike must be a Kayo.... Which leads me to ask: What the hell is a Kayo? :hmm:
The XTR is definitely light and high feeling, especially since for the last 5 years I've been sitting deep in an 850lbs Victory Cross County...I'm not secure and confident in the saddle yet...But I think the biggest issue is the tires. I can feel their bite on soft, wet of the lawn(my big off-road adventure so far....:lmao: ) but on the pavement, I feel everyone of those big knobbies flexing...On a good note, I'm getting more, more used to it every time I ride the little thing.
Kayo T4L and the T4 has the bigger cc engine
I looked it up yesterday and found the dash and 1 magnet listed for this bike (2016 here) but ignore the year as that means begger all
I couldn't slip any riding in being Christmas and all....but while showing my brother the XTR and starting for him, I held down the dash-button for 10 secs and bingo! the speedo and clocks turned to mph and miles :clap:
I am happy to report my Pitster has turned over a whole problem free 20 miles :tup:
I know I'm going kidda nuts with this bike...but I'm sure there will be a slow down after this. I have to get the bike registered\plated which will take a few weeks and there's not much more I can video or talk about until I can get off-road and\or ride enough miles to do some maintenance. How fast that goes depends on the weather, we usually don't get much ride-able in Jan and Feb around here :( .
I did a "walk around" today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Mv9KK0RNE&feature=youtu.be
Megadan
12-26-2018, 04:37 PM
Famous Last Words of a Biker; "I am going to leave it stock" and "I'm not going to turn it into a money pit" :D
Famous Last Words of a Biker; "I am going to leave it stock" and "I'm not going to turn it into a money pit" :D
I got to tell ya, the only money going into this bike is what it needs to keep running and hopefully I won't break it anytime soon ;)
NzBrakelathes
12-26-2018, 07:36 PM
I got to tell ya, the only money going into this bike is what it needs to keep running and hopefully I won't break it anytime soon ;)
You might like/want/need the tool to adjust the valves easily - I sent Jerryhawk a sample (same special tool for CB250 as CG250) I will look at a kit suitable for the CB engines as there are a couple ways to do it.
Hope you don't mind this suggestion and plug
You might like/want/need the tool to adjust the valves easily - I sent Jerryhawk a sample (same special tool for CB250 as CG250) I will look at a kit suitable for the CB engines as there are a couple ways to do it.
Hope you don't mind this suggestion and plug
I believe I saw a post somewhere about this tool :shrug:... Do you have a link or a picture(or both) you could post?
And I never mind someone trying to help me(or someone else in my threads) out, this is what forums are about ;)
NzBrakelathes
12-27-2018, 06:18 AM
I’ll keep you posted as I’m waiting on Herryhawk to see his reaction
It’s on the way from Cincinnati to his place as we speak
JerryHawk250
12-27-2018, 07:37 AM
I’ll keep you posted as I’m waiting on Herryhawk to see his reaction
It’s on the way from Cincinnati to his place as we speak
I don't know about Herryhawk. :lmao: Tracking shows it coming today. :yay: I'll post pictures when I get it and will use it this weekend as it's due for a valve adjustment.
I don't know about Herryhawk. :lmao: Tracking shows it coming today. :yay: I'll post pictures when I get it and will use it this weekend as it's due for a valve adjustment.
I made a couple typos too...that's the danger of posting before being done with the morning COFFEE ;)
I'm looking forward to the pics and your assessment of the VJ tool
Well folks....I'm having my first issues with the Pitster and its just past 20mi old .... >:(
While I was out today doing some engine break-in pulls the horn stopped working, then the left turn signal stopped flashing, then the right(the indicators are blinking on the dash, but not the actual signals....odd right?), the horn came back once, then died again :shrug:
I traced what I could and everything seems tight and connected. I contacted Pitster tech support and we agreed its likely a faulty switch, so we started the warranty process. Now the wait...
I'm not surprised, the switch gear and lever mounts on this bike are very chinsy, low-quality parts....I guess corners must be cut somewhere.
On a good note....the seat is much better :)
Megadan
01-02-2019, 07:29 PM
While I was out today doing some engine break-in pulls the horn stopped working, then the left turn signal stopped flashing, then the right(the indicators are blinking on the dash, but not the actual signals....odd right?), the horn came back once, then died again :shrug:
I don't have a diagram to confirm how the signals are wired, but on a more traditional bike, the switch is to ground and the dash indicator is part of the main circuit, usually split off of the front signal wire. If the switch was bad, then normally nothing would work. Seems really strange to me that the dash indicators would work, but not the indicators themselves. That tells me power is making it through the switch and relay, assuming it does switch to ground like a normal bike.
The horn could be the switch. It could also simply be the horn. My Hawks horn lived about a month before it started to sound like a dying turkey. Easy way to test the horn would be to jumper off the battery. Wear ear plugs just in case lol.
I don't have a diagram to confirm how the signals are wired, but on a more traditional bike, the switch is to ground and the dash indicator is part of the main circuit, usually split off of the front signal wire. If the switch was bad, then normally nothing would work. Seems really strange to me that the dash indicators would work, but not the indicators themselves. That tells me power is making it through the switch and relay, assuming it does switch to ground like a normal bike.
The horn could be the switch. It could also simply be the horn. My Hawks horn lived about a month before it started to sound like a dying turkey. Easy way to test the horn would be to jumper off the battery. Wear ear plugs just in case lol.
I have no wiring diagram either and as it turns out, my Harbor Freight test light was also dead....So everything is guess work and going by what the tech at Pitster suggested.
To be honest, besides the headlight\fairing, I should have pulled the tank, seat and anything else in the way, then got a working test light to track down the problem... But like I said before I have no place to work on my bike(s), I was outside in 37 degree temps....I did all I could stand to. Anyway, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the switch is the fix and it arrives here during a warm spell :hehe:
ChipToothy
01-02-2019, 09:22 PM
Great looking bike, love the sound even on camera!!
Great looking bike, love the sound even on camera!!
Thanks ...Its definitely got a proper "dirt bike" sound, especially opened up and under load :)
It made me a little nervous doing wide open, red-line pulls to finish the break-in yesterday. I still don't have plate on it and I felt like somebody in the neighborhood was going to call the police saying there a some (big)kid running around on a dirt bike and raising hell.... :lmao:
:ohno:
Back in the living room, stripped to its underwear and readied to chase down electrical gremlins
https://i.postimg.cc/PqL8q9x8/gremlin-chase.jpg
Megadan
01-13-2019, 10:56 AM
Good luck! Hopefully it is actually the switches, or at least something really simple. Hopefully the wife doesn't kill you later as well lol.
Azhule
01-13-2019, 11:04 AM
Good luck! Hopefully it is actually the switches, or at least something really simple.
Simple, like a "painted frame" ground spot.... or maybe a "pinched wire" by the headlight/forks/handlebar area... or could it be dirty/corroded contacts from shipping over seas with lack of Dielectric Grease?
Best of luck tracking down the problem
Not the switch or a ground....As it turns out, once I got it inside and could work in conditions that didn't make my hands and brain go numb, the problems were quickly found. I put a test light on all four of the turn signal "hot" wires and all of them gave strong "blinks" on the test light. Same with the horn. While I was checking things out, the rt. rear signal started working, so for ha-ha's and a double check, I moved that one around and it worked off the other three connections. I went out and got the stock horn I replaced form the Victory, plugged it in to the Pitster and it also worked(very loudly in the house....lol)
So I have three dead bulbs and a dead horn. I think I'm going to order LED turn signals, an LED headlight bulb(which I planed to do anyway) and since the Victory horn is a direct replacement I'll keep using it. I'll hit up Pitster to warranty the parts so I can have a spares. Yea...I am very glad this wasn't a MAJOR headache :)
btw...Megadan, my wife far from killed me, she actually helped me get the bike in the house :yay:
Megadan
01-13-2019, 01:53 PM
btw...Megadan, my wife far from killed me, she actually helped me get the bike in the house :yay:
You have yourself a keeper! :)
Glad I was right about the horn. Like I said in your registration post, the factory horns are total crap.
I have this guy on my current and last Hawk. Good lower tone and decently loud. Survived in the rain without issue. https://www.amazon.com/Wolo-300-2T-Disc-Horn-Volt/dp/B00029XGIM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1547405430&sr=8-4&keywords=Motorcycle+horn+low+tone
These are the signals I had on my last Hawk. A bit more than some of the other cheap ones out there, but nice and bright and I never once had an issue with water getting in. RReally darn good quality for the price.
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Technology-Signal-CB600RR-Grom125/dp/B073M2YWGR/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1547405559&sr=8-7&keywords=Motorcycle%2BLED%2BTurn%2Bsignals&th=1
I went ahead and ordered a set of LED turn signals, a CREE headlight bulb and a set Kenda K760 DOT tires....I should have this lil' baby registered and on the go by the end of the month....just in time for February :cry:
You have yourself a keeper! :)
Glad I was right about the horn. Like I said in your registration post, the factory horns are total crap.
I have this guy on my current and last Hawk. Good lower tone and decently loud. Survived in the rain without issue. https://www.amazon.com/Wolo-300-2T-Disc-Horn-Volt/dp/B00029XGIM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1547405430&sr=8-4&keywords=Motorcycle+horn+low+tone
These are the signals I had on my last Hawk. A bit more than some of the other cheap ones out there, but nice and bright and I never once had an issue with water getting in. RReally darn good quality for the price.
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Technology-Signal-CB600RR-Grom125/dp/B073M2YWGR/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1547405559&sr=8-7&keywords=Motorcycle%2BLED%2BTurn%2Bsignals&th=1
That Wolo is what I replaced the stock Victory horn with...lol
But I not going to waste money(even if its only $!2) on another horn since I have a perfectly good one to use.
I found some 15LED "dirt bike" signals in a set of 4 for $15 with good ratings so I jumped on those.
Since I had the bike in I took advantage and did a few things I been wanting to get done. K&N oiled the AF, moved the front brake line so it wasn't touching the hand guard bar, re-glued the left grip, removed a some graphics off the rear fender and the "for racing only" sticker. All the suspension settings were set at lowest\softest\slowest incl. the front pre-load...I took the time to count clicks and set them all at the mid-points. Once I get the new tires on I'll set the sag. I also have to adjust the chain, its way loose.
NzBrakelathes
01-13-2019, 09:11 PM
I went ahead and ordered a set of LED turn signals, a CREE headlight bulb and a set Kenda K760 DOT tires....I should have this lil' baby registered and on the go by the end of the month....just in time for February :cry:
You might need an LED flasher unit.
You might need an LED flasher unit.
I will soon find out... ;)
Well I successfully changed over to the set of DOT Trailmaster II's...in the living room :lmao:
1. this bike's tire change is WAY easier than the Victory's 2. I knew that one of the big card board side panels from the Pitster's shipping crate(as the work surface) and the old rear tire(as the work stand) from the Vic would come in handy someday :clap:
https://i.postimg.cc/Gt0zNKTZ/with-TMIIs.jpg
Hey PaiN, sounds like your wife and mine could be best of friends! :-)
I've changed all my own tires....with the exception of the Vics. I'd buy the tires, then take the rims off and drag them down to a a buddy of mine who owned a little hole in the wall HD shop and give him a 30 pack for both tires. Included balancing!
Hey PaiN, sounds like your wife and mine could be best of friends! :-)
I've changed all my own tires....with the exception of the Vics. I'd buy the tires, then take the rims off and drag them down to a a buddy of mine who owned a little hole in the wall HD shop and give him a 30 pack for both tires. Included balancing!
I've changed a couple sets of tires on the Vic and it was a pain in the butt. I learned some techniques doing the Pitster tires that should make the Vic's easier next time. I'd much rather do it myself, because there are two shops that will do a tire change for me and either I drive 45 mins each way and pay $30 per tire or I can drive 15 mins each way and pay $60 per tire.. :grr:
The turn signals are installed, they do strobe a bit so I bought an adjustable flasher that will be in Monday, that's an easy install. The bike is pretty much ready for the DMV inspection, wish me luck....
Thought I'd post pics of the difference between the stock and a CREE LED 6000k bulb. I know the light from the LED will be better at night, but mostly I want it to be more visible to others, not to have to worry about burn out and the low power draw.
stock ...yellowy and dull
https://i.postimg.cc/GhrM85p4/stock-HL.jpg
LED ...stare into the white light :)
https://i.postimg.cc/y60QNH7q/CREE-HL.jpg
Thought I'd write up a quick update..in case anyone is worried about me or the bike :ohno:
LOL
My XTR is all set to meet the CT DMV inspection requirements at this point, but its still parked in the living room, seat and tank off. Wednesday afternoons are the only time I have available that match with the DMV schedule, I've had other commitments and the weather has been crap(snow, ice, sub-0 temps) but this weekend I'm free and temps are up a bit. I hope to roll the bike out of the house and get it back together(I'll also do a quick post break-in oil change once its outside). I've got eyes on this Wed the 30th to load it up on my truck and take it for the CT DMV inspection.
Okay one odd thing I wanted to mention. With the LED turn signals in, the flash rate was a little faster than the bulb rate but they were not hyper-flashing. I ordered an adjustable LED flasher anyway and this made the rate go nuts...Either super-slow or hyper-fast, there was no in between. :shrug: I went back to the stock relay, since the blink rate is okay.
culcune
01-26-2019, 08:26 PM
I'm actually thinking that the bike looks GREAT in your living room!! :tup: Kind of like a piece of fine art...Doubles as a lamp!!
I'm actually thinking that the bike looks GREAT in your living room!! :tup: Kind of like a piece of fine art...Doubles as a lamp!!
Now that its not there....the the room feels kind of empty :(
Oil change day :clap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thKY9SaN-QI&lc=z22ih3eoxlz2z5odqacdp430s13kq3l1al3ry4antlpw03c 010c
Next time I report in ....the bike will be registered. :tup:
I didn't have my cameras or even my phone to get some mud caked pics of the bike out in its element, sorry I was excited to be riding and went stupid ... Today I got the XTR "for real off-road"...Conditions were pretty bad, a mix of ice, snow, mud and slop...All I have to say is I'm impressed with this bike, it barely flinched at this crap and when it did start to get out of sorts a quick flick of the throttle or tap of the brake got it back on track. I put it to same slicked out steep climbs and with a bit of my weight backwards, the XTR just tractored up in 2nd gear, no drama. Temps were in the 30's the wet and cold started to get to me after 45 mins...but it was a good first taste of what I can expect. :tup:
I know ..."pics or it didn't happen" :wtf: ..I might be going back tomorrow with the guys that clued me into this place. I won't forget my cameras if I do.
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