Got my Bike!

[Charcoalcash]

i received my bike today and it was coated in oil from them shipping it upside down, the speedo housing was cracked and the front fairing were dinged. everything was good and it ran good after setting idle, only problem now is the clutch wont engage, if i put it into first gear and let the clutch out it just stands still but wont stall

[Mudflap]

Clutch cable too tight?

[Charcoalcash]

ill have to check, it seems to feel right and pulling the cable the right distance. how much pressure should it feel on the clutch lever?

[Douglass]

Double check the oil level

You should have about a nickle thickness worth of play in the lever before the clutch engages.

Sorry to hear about the shipping mishap. At minimum advise the company you purchased the bike from to let them know what a great job their shipping company did...:ohno:

[Charcoalcash]

oil level is perfect, changed it when it arrived. it should have a nickel worth of freeplay?

yes they do know about the mishap. probably wont do anything about it though

[RedCrowRides]

Thats odd about the clutch not engaging , i mean it would be hard to wreck either the clutch or the tranny from outside the bike ,without some pretty impressive damage happening that would likely be very visible.

All i can say is, make sure the oil you used is wet clutch compatible , then check to make sure the clutch is actuating down near the clutch cover, if the cable got broke or is badly misadjusted at the adjuster on the handlebars, it may not be moving the pivot down on the engine ,or not enough .After that , check to see if it will move in second ,theird, and fourth. With stock gearing ,first gear is so low as to be almost unusable, i actually start off from dead stops in 2nd on purpose on account of that. If its moving the actuator fine and wont move in any gear, and the oil is wet clutch compatible, you got serious issues and need to call Venom and get it resolved .


That sucks the shipping company turned the crate completely upside down , I mean thats not a small crate and its clearly marked ,and it only has clearance for forklift forks on the bottom, so i dont even really know how they managed that ,maybe they stood it up on one end to make space, who knows .I hope you can get it sorted out .
I have a lot of brand new stock parts here but unfortunately the gauge cluster and plastics i dont have, i do have a front fender in perfect condition tho if you need it, it's Gloss Black tho .

[Charcoalcash]

im using mobil 1 racing 4t oil, the clutch cable is moving fully next to the clutch cover on the motor, and i tried it with 2nd and 3rd and it gives a tiny bit of movement then it just stops, i can be in gear with the clutch out and rev it. nothing happens. now if the bike is turned off and i put it into gear it wont move if i try to push it. ill post pics then of the damage and you can clearly see all the oil when i unboxed it

[Douglass]

it should have a nickel worth of freeplay?

Yes, you should be able to move the clutch lever about a nickle worth of distance before you feel the clutch. This ensures that the clutch is fully engaged, and is not slipping when the lever is completely released.

When the bike is turned off and in first gear, will it roll while holding the clutch lever?

[Charcoalcash]

yes it will roll if the bikes off, in first gear with the clutch pressed

[Bruces]

If that oil is synthetic ,you should not be running it for brake in ,just use a good Dino oil for the first few hundred miles .

[pete]

just a bit of useless info..

All the big 4 jap brands fill there motors with synthetic oil
at the factory.. and they still offer a warranty on the motor...



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[Whisky]

Personally I would pull the cover to see wtf is happening.

[RedCrowRides]

Yeah Whisky it is probably going to come to that, the only reason I did not mention that is I feel like he needs to Photograph the pivot arm at the clutch cover when the clutch is not engaged, and then fully engaged, and notify Venom BEFORE he takes pieces off ,etc.I mean Venom has a good reputation but still, if he starts taking stuff off and exploring before they are notified ,they can say " You did it when you took this off or that off , your problem" like say a Manny would do.


Secondly , unless he has a problem like the clutch springs all fell out ,etc and has a good bit of mechanical experience with motorcycles, looking at a clutch work ( or not work ) when you dont know anything about what it " should" look like in there , may or may not be helpful.



Unless he just stumbles across some simple thing to correct this that has caused it, looks like he is either going to be looking at getting hooked for paying return shipping ( ouch , not cheap ) to send it back for total replacement, or waiting on a replacement clutch assembly assuming that is the issue and having to try to replace it himself which his mechanical ability may or may not facilitate , and we all know most Shops wont even pee on a Chinese bike, let alone work on one. ,and either scenario is not what you should look for when buying a brand new motorcycle.



Maybe Venoms Tech Dept. can get him fixed up , I hope so .I've never seen a report of this particular issue on the Forums here so I'm convinced it's a really rare anomaly but that doesnt help much when it is you the anomaly is happening to, i mean he has a new motorcycle that wont move, thats gotta be a real pisser.

[Bruces]

just a bit of useless info..

All the big 4 jap brands fill there motors with synthetic oil
at the factory.. and they still offer a warranty on the motor...



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Honda is still filling the horizontals with Honda gn4 Dino oil ,and their only other recommended oil is blended not fully synthetic .

[pete]

check the clutch plates are in the correct order..
and right number of steels and fibers..


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[Whisky]

Yeah Whisky it is probably going to come to that, the only reason I did not mention that is I feel like he needs to Photograph the pivot arm at the clutch cover when the clutch is not engaged, and then fully engaged, and notify Venom BEFORE he takes pieces off ,etc.I mean Venom has a good reputation but still, if he starts taking stuff off and exploring before they are notified ,they can say " You did it when you took this off or that off , your problem" like say a Manny would do.


Secondly , unless he has a problem like the clutch springs all fell out ,etc and has a good bit of mechanical experience with motorcycles, looking at a clutch work ( or not work ) when you dont know anything about what it " should" look like in there , may or may not be helpful.



Unless he just stumbles across some simple thing to correct this that has caused it, looks like he is either going to be looking at getting hooked for paying return shipping ( ouch , not cheap ) to send it back for total replacement, or waiting on a replacement clutch assembly assuming that is the issue and having to try to replace it himself which his mechanical ability may or may not facilitate , and we all know most Shops wont even pee on a Chinese bike, let alone work on one. ,and either scenario is not what you should look for when buying a brand new motorcycle.



Maybe Venoms Tech Dept. can get him fixed up , I hope so .I've never seen a report of this particular issue on the Forums here so I'm convinced it's a really rare anomaly but that doesnt help much when it is you the anomaly is happening to, i mean he has a new motorcycle that wont move, thats gotta be a real pisser.

Yeah. Thinking about it bit more you are absolutely right, tearing into the internals would not be a good idea at this early stage, I to purchased from Venom and all though I had a different issue., they "did not" blow me off and leave me hanging. I hope all works out ok so there is another satisfied Venom customer.

[KABANSKI]

Honda is still filling the horizontals with Honda gn4 Dino oil ,and their only other recommended oil is blended not fully synthetic .

Yep,my Cb500f doesn’t use or recommend full synthetic.I just use the Pro Honda oil that’s recommended in the service manual.It doesn’t say not to use synthetic,but it doesn’t say use it either,so I just stick with the recommendations for this bike anyway.

[RedCrowRides]

@Whisky Yeah man i bought my Vader from Venom and I had shipping complications ( it arrived in fine shape mostly , it just took 3 weeks to get here, the Shipping agent " lost it" ) but they did not blow me off , either. I am fairly confident they will make this right, but at the same time he needs to cover all his bases like taking photo evidence etc and documenting everything he tries or has tried ,thats why i was worrying about him "going in there" before he gets Venom up to date .I don't think they would do a "Manny" on him but it's always best to err on the side of caution .I am very happy with my Vader and it has been reliable, durable, and an absolute blast to both ride as well as modify. , and it also had the side benefit of allowing me to connect with some pretty cool Grom Clone people here on the chinariders forums,,,,like you haha !


Be cool bro !

[Charcoalcash]

im not going to touch anything internally until i hear back from Venom. I paid $1800 for a piece of metal that makes noise but doesn't move lol. Another problem i have it that when i lock the handle bars all the way to the right it will rev the motor up. not sure if that's because i may not have the handlebars straightened enough on the clamps. Im not looking forward to replacing the whole face fairing/speedo. but there is a gap in the left fairing next to the headlight so hopefully it didn't bend anything underneath.

[Whisky]

It's to bad these shipping companies don't give a shit about their freight. 20 yrs ago there was so much better service.

[RedCrowRides]

Ah HA ! Now we are getting somewhere .That revving up when you turn the handlebars to the right means that cable is misrouted and/or something is pinching the hell out of it ,that is going to have to be traced down and fixed.Now, by that same token, on my Vader the throttle cable and clutch cable make an "X" ,your clutch lever is on the left , where it goes into the engine is on the right, you follow me? By the same token your gas is on the right , the Vader carb, while the cable goes into the top, sits to the leftish side of the engine / bike. Didnt you mention the gauge cluster / headlight housing being somewhat damaged, out of alignment, etc? I' bet something is obstructing one or both of those cables and causing all of this and in any case you need to get the throttle cable free /rerouted, it should not cause the engine to rev when turned to the right, the headlight housing only has 4 bolts , its super easy to remove, i think i would do that and see if i could trace first the throttle cable and then the clutch cable and see if they are pinched, smashed, or where they are misrouted ,there are a couple wire frame cable routers there on the front end behind the headlight housing that if bent out of shape/ smashed could cause issues like you are having , if the clutch cable is smashed /pinched it may look like its moving enough , but it wont move enough to work right. Your call , but i bet thats what it is, especially since you mentioned that "turn right and it revs" condition.

[Charcoalcash]

i just feel like doing all this BS for a brand new bike lol, i havent been home in almost 2 days so when i get back ill send more pictures.

[Charcoalcash]

im still alittle heated about the whole oil problem. i really just wanna send it back and get a whole new bike XD

[Whisky]

I don't understand how it could have been upside down? Wasn't the bike wire tied to a pallet?

[Bruces]

They probably flipped the entire crate upside down

[Charcoalcash]

Yes it was wire tied down. The whole crate was upside down. He took it off the truck and I could see the two wheels.

[RedCrowRides]

-Not sure who your carrier was, down where i live thats the kind of stunt most associated with SAIA (upside down freight or freight that looks like a tank ran over it )


I don't blame you a bit for wanting to outright exchange it ,I'm just afraid they will try to stick you with the Return Freight charge(s) etc., and was trying to offer some advice as to tracking down the issues you are having to correct them.


I really do hope it all works out for you , I don't want this to kill your enthusiasm for owning a Grom clone, they are super fun to ride and I'm sure you will enjoy it when you actually get to get on one that does what it's supposed to do .

[Charcoalcash]

Finally got mostly everything figured out, venom is shipping me a new speedo plus every fairing on the front end. The clutch is working perfect, the only problem I’m having now is gas leaking from somewhere. It’s not a lot and only happens after I ride. Almost forgot.. the axles were WAY under tight and was causing vibrations and noises.

[kirbo7106]

I’m glad to hear that Venom Motorsports is taking care of you. They should all be like that! Unfortunately, most are not! I’ve had my Hellcat for almost a month and it’s still in the shipping crate, waiting for the dealership to help me.

Keep us posted on your progress!

Enjoy the Ride!

[culcune]

The issue with buying bargain priced bikes is that we, the consumer, are doing the assembly/pdi and cutting out the middleman. The other problem is that these bikes are no longer bargains...

[2LZ]

The other problem is that these bikes are no longer bargains...

Compared to how much they want for this archaic designed bike, I'd say we're still doing ok.
That much money for regular forks and a rear drum? Please.....

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/DR200S/2019/DR200S.aspx

[Merlin]

Finally got mostly everything figured out, venom is shipping me a new speedo plus every fairing on the front end. The clutch is working perfect, the only problem I’m having now is gas leaking from somewhere. It’s not a lot and only happens after I ride. Almost forgot.. the axles were WAY under tight and was causing vibrations and noises.

How did you fix the problem with the clutch? Glad you got it working. :tup:

[Whisky]

When you get a chance (doesn't need to be done right away) I would change both axle bolts to Grom bolts and the swing arm bolt too, there rather soft and bend easily for being a main bolt, don't forget to grease them before installing. Do all of the checks others recommend so your not left stranded on the curb with a broken bike. Finally.....GO HAVE FUN

[sirmaxwell]

When you get a chance (doesn't need to be done right away) I would change both axle bolts to Grom bolts and the swing arm bolt too, there rather soft and bend easily for being a main bolt, don't forget to grease them before installing. Do all of the checks others recommend so your not left stranded on the curb with a broken bike. Finally.....GO HAVE FUN

is yours Gen 1 or 2? I have a gen 1 bd125-15 I think mine comes with oil filter but I cant find the oil drain for sure and dont wanna go fishing. i looked up a youtube video, tried the bolt at the front bottom right of the engine just like the youtuber did but mine wouldnt clear the exhaust wheras his did !!

?:doh:

and then I realized that whomever put mine together tightened the exhaust a little too tight so i had to unbolt the exhaust from the engine head to get the extra 1/2 inch i needed. AND with the drive chain the assembler at the factory went as tight as it can humanly possibly go zero slack with the master link having the open side facing forward when on top(wrong way) lol glad I checked that!

[Charcoalcash]

its a gen 2 bd125-10 (venom x20 ) , the clutch worked itself out and i did alittle adjustment. it runs perfect and sounds amazing with the new exhaust