Well, no Brozz 250 for me

[gwowzer]

Peace Sports just raised the cost from $1750.00 to $2500.00. Right when I was pretty much decided on that one. Yeah, not happening. Should I now go with the TBR7 or the TT250?

[culcune]

Peace Sports just raised the cost from $1750.00 to $2500.00. Right when I was pretty much decided on that one. Yeah, not happening. Should I now go with the TBR7 or the TT250?

Contact Jeff at Peacesports. See what he can do first. The TT250 is another great bike, however if the Brozz is a no-go.

[RedCrowRides]

Wow , that's one hell of a price bump all in one whack I suspect you won't be the only one that is a deal breaker for by the time you add sales tax ,tag and registration fees thats knocking on the 3k door ,where you are clearly out of China Bike land in my opinion and into good used Jap original ground.

[NzBrakelathes]

No I think you got wires crossed
They still have the 2019 at the old price and I suspect the motomax is going to be the price bike
I’m sure they had a video showing the last pre tarred prices online etc

[JerryHawk250]

Same price as before. You have to go to his online catalog. https://shop.brozz250.com/eshopdetail_cat_5820296.Vehicles_for_Sale.htm

[NzBrakelathes]

https://instagram.com/p/B2XfSSOn2Bb/

[95C1500]

I saw that too. With the price jump coming I was going to just buy one and wait for my old bike to sell instead of waiting for it to sell then buying. Went to their website and it shows the 2019s as $2500. I had the same reaction, "nope, not happening". I've been in contact with Peace for the last week or so and asked how many units they had left of the pre-tariff price. Have yet to here back.

[gwowzer]

Unfortunately, I have to wait a little while before ordering one. Probably won't before this huge jump in price happens. I can't see paying that much more for the same product, that's crazy.
Originally was going for the TBR7, then saw the Brozz and thought the little things were worth the price difference between those two.
Now I'm back to the TBR7, the Blue Eagle Brozz (which really I don't see much difference between the Eagle and the 2019 Brozz other than one has been sitting in a box longer), or going bigger and getting the TT250.
Just wanting input on which route people would go.

[Armycopter]

I’m leaning towards the Brozz. I would buy a 2018 but I don’t want green. I had a KLX250S which I loved (in green) but I would like a different color for my next bike. I like the blue.

[NzBrakelathes]

I’m leaning towards the Brozz. I would buy a 2018 but I don’t want green. I had a KLX250S which I loved (in green) but I would like a different color for my next bike. I like the blue.

Would they throw in a "free" set of plastics?

[NzBrakelathes]

Tariffs would only add to their buy price? With or without shipping? I can't see the total cost being all that much more?????

I know everyone in the USA needs to make a margin that aligns to the USA costs income etc but I fail to see how even 20% including the shipped costs would add on much to the bikes etc.

[gwowzer]

Right. We are talking about a $750 bump here... I just don't see any reason to touch that bike (the Brozz) when the TBR hasn't risen and you get a CSC for basically the same price assembled, plus CSC seems to be a more tailored outfit with easier / better customer support and parts availability. They were asking $1750 for the Brozz before, 20% of that is $350 which still only brings the price to $2100... they ain't paying that much on those bikes. And you can't tell me they weren't making profit at $1750 because a business doesn't work without profit.
Seems a little profit grabby to me without a change in the product.
Should I just get the darned TBR7 or go with the CSC guys? Is the CSC worth the bump up in price? Is it really much more solid?
I appreciate everyone's replies as I am a newbie to this forum, but everyone here seems to have a passion that I fully respect. Always great when you find people that have a hobby they take seriously.

[culcune]

The CSC is a great bike and they have it down to a system. You really are purchasing the bike like a major brand, only they ship it to you if you are not nearby and can ride off on it. They already have changed the oil and it comes filled with gas. You can literally ride it once you uncrate it without 'hurting' it. They stock parts at their warehouse which adds to them being like a brand name dealership. That being said, I am fairly certain the Brozz won't be $2500. I would double check with Peace. They have parts and such for the Brozz, too. For bargain pricing, check out Motocheez's videos on the TBR7, and check out the threads here, on Chinariders. It might be worth a look, but you will be wrenching on that one a wee bit more it seems based on member's experiences.

Edit: look on the Peace Sports thread ( will be one below this thread). The online Brozz price will be $1900 for the 2020 models according to Jeff. That will be on www.brozz250.com or whatever the direct link is to the Brozz. The general Peace site is like how mfrs state prices in MSRP.

[NzBrakelathes]

Right. We are talking about a $750 bump here... I just don't see any reason to touch that bike (the Brozz) when the TBR hasn't risen and you get a CSC for basically the same price assembled, plus CSC seems to be a more tailored outfit with easier / better customer support and parts availability. They were asking $1750 for the Brozz before, 20% of that is $350 which still only brings the price to $2100... they ain't paying that much on those bikes. And you can't tell me they weren't making profit at $1750 because a business doesn't work without profit.
Seems a little profit grabby to me without a change in the product.
Should I just get the darned TBR7 or go with the CSC guys? Is the CSC worth the bump up in price? Is it really much more solid?
I appreciate everyone's replies as I am a newbie to this forum, but everyone here seems to have a passion that I fully respect. Always great when you find people that have a hobby they take seriously.

Call Jeff n ask the questions then you’ll be correctly informed etc

[Armycopter]

I bought one last night for $1750. I saw the $2499 website but I think it was a mistake.

[NzBrakelathes]

I think I win with best supporting evidence:Dy

[PhildoScaggins]

I bought one last night for $1750.

That didnt take long! :lmao:

[culcune]

I bought one last night for $1750. I saw the $2499 website but I think it was a mistake.

My guess is it is MSRP.

[Musictrek]

2500 was scary! and its not even Halloween yet!:ohno:

[Its_not_a_honda]

https://peacesports.com/Motorcycles-Bashan-Brozz-250-2019-Norcross-GA-e50f5573-47d1-47c2-bc1c-aa9b0100f0e0


Enough said.

[JerryHawk250]

https://peacesports.com/Motorcycles-Bashan-Brozz-250-2019-Norcross-GA-e50f5573-47d1-47c2-bc1c-aa9b0100f0e0


Enough said.

You're looking at the MSRP on PeaceSports website. The real price is on the Brozz250 website. $1,749.00 https://shop.brozz250.com/eshopprod_cat_5820296-5932689_product_8389309.2019_Brozz_250.htm

[Its_not_a_honda]

You're looking at the MSRP on PeaceSports website. The real price is on the Brozz250 website. $1,749.00 https://shop.brozz250.com/eshopprod_cat_5820296-5932689_product_8389309.2019_Brozz_250.htm
Yeah I understand that. My point is...They are stupidly listing the bike for $2500. That scares people off. All of us regulars on here know there are 2 different prices. If I had not been on chinariders, I would just pass by that bike without a second thought. Peacesports should have that bike listed the same price anywhere I can find it.

[JerryHawk250]

Yeah, I know what you mean. No different than any other name brand dealers website. Most will list there bikes with MSRP but can find the same bike from the same dealer listed on websites like cycletrader.com for way less.

[PeaceSportsAtlanta]

Some of ya'll need to check with me before assuming things.

The price posted is MSRP from a dealer assembled ready to ride with a warranty. Some of ya'll done pissed a few of my dealers off by walking into to shops saying you should get it for $1750 because thats what its sold for online. :doh:

Having experienced techs set up your stuff is worth $$ as well as having a place to take it to for service/repairs. I very rarely get calls from dealers for Brozz anything but much more frequently from guys whose first bike is one they have to partially assemble and prep...:hmm: They are good bikes as is and guys who can turn a wrench will still get a discounted price online in the future.


However, the price is going up for 2020...one due to tariffs but two due to closing the gap between dealer and online prices so I don't have any more dealers calling me like that again. I can't build a brand without a dealer network. And these Bashans will only get better the more feedback I get from owners/dealers/myself riding them.

[duck9191]

That's part of being a dealer, you deal with customers who can find it cheaper, if they can't explain in a way that sells their service and justifies the cost difference to the customer they should seek some one with the customer relation skills to do so because its a large part selling.

Same goes for being a distributor, you will have to deal with dealers who do not care for your direct to retail sales. You will never make them happy because they are partially being cut out and don't care about your bottom line just theirs. They don't care that you have the burden of carrying inventory or parts which are large capital investments which drive up the cost of goods sold. Every industry is moving towards wholesale distributors going B2C because as a whole two step distribution is dissolving.

I work in a recreation industry for a wholesale distributor that does a good amount of B2C sales and have to deal with both sides of it every day. Never going to make everyone happy so do what moves the most bikes for your company. If you are worried about brand value dilution then go to MAP pricing and make dealers "sell" their extras so everyone is on a fair playing field and the bike can be bought everywhere for the same price + extras like assembly.

An apparent 43% price hike is going to ruffle some feathers, either they buy or they don't.

[herbie]

However, the price is going up for 2020...one due to tariffs but two due to closing the gap between dealer and online prices so I don't have any more dealers calling me like that again. I can't build a brand without a dealer network. And these Bashans will only get better the more feedback I get from owners/dealers/myself riding them.

I totally understand both of those points and I agree with your reasoning but one thing to consider is the Brozz competitor the Storm. The 2018 Storm is selling at a dealer close to me for $1895 ready to ride. The Brozz has a better set of gauges but the rest of the bike is very similar. If the Brozz was selling at a dealer for $2500, I know which bike I would buy if buying from a dealer. I hope you don't take this as a knock because that's not what I intended because I would like to see the Brozz do very well in sales. Just my two cents worth.



https://stlouis.craigslist.org/mcd/d/new-bashan-250-enduro-street-legal/6977915633.html

[goat67]

Some of ya'll need to check with me before assuming things.

The price posted is MSRP from a dealer assembled ready to ride with a warranty. Some of ya'll done pissed a few of my dealers off by walking into to shops saying you should get it for $1750 because thats what its sold for online. :doh:

Having experienced techs set up your stuff is worth $$ as well as having a place to take it to for service/repairs. I very rarely get calls from dealers for Brozz anything but much more frequently from guys whose first bike is one they have to partially assemble and prep...:hmm: They are good bikes as is and guys who can turn a wrench will still get a discounted price online in the future.


However, the price is going up for 2020...one due to tariffs but two due to closing the gap between dealer and online prices so I don't have any more dealers calling me like that again. I can't build a brand without a dealer network. And these Bashans will only get better the more feedback I get from owners/dealers/myself riding them.

I would be careful on increasing the price just for the dealer the reason behind me buying from a dealer would be location and service etc if I have to have it shipped and put it together I would not expect it to cost as much.

If you price these too high you lose the market if it gets to be that I can spend a bit more and get a Japanese bike or a bike from CSC I know where I will go.

[culcune]

Dealer or assemble one of these yourself? If you are in Miami, this might be a good deal for you! :tup:

https://miami.craigslist.org/search/mca?query=bashan

[dhyde102]

I just purchased my Brozz today and it only came to $1750.00 with shipping.

[wedooit]

I just purchased my Brozz today and it only came to $1750.00 with shipping.

Welcome aboard!!

[Duckman]

Jeff just quoted me $1750 yesterday, I found their website a little confusing so I just called Jeff. The TBR7 is a great bike. Especially if you plan on riding on road more than the dirt (because of the 50/50 tires) but with the savings you can afford all the upgrades that most people do. Although you do not get the counter balanced motor and inverted forks.

[mixerdriver632]

I bought mine last tuesday the 22nd tn green for 1750$

[everready]

Jeff just quoted me $1750 yesterday, I found their website a little confusing so I just called Jeff. The TBR7 is a great bike. Especially if you plan on riding on road more than the dirt (because of the 50/50 tires) but with the savings you can afford all the upgrades that most people do. Although you do not get the counter balanced motor and inverted forks.

I could never understand why the kind of tires are so important when purchasing a bike. It's the size of the wheels that are important. You can always swap out tires, swapping out wheels is another story.

[ikeus685]

Just asked for the 2018 pricing but; He won't give me an email price.

[ikeus685]

Woah Was just on their site; $2699.00 for the 2020 Motomax, $2499.99 for a 2019 Brozz!
Double wow!!

[everready]

Woah Was just on their site; $2699.00 for the 2020 Motomax, $2499.99 for a 2019 Brozz!
Double wow!!

Did you call him on the phone? From what I've read here that's the best way to get the correct price. I guess their website is screwy.

[JerryHawk250]

Woah Was just on their site; $2699.00 for the 2020 Motomax, $2499.99 for a 2019 Brozz!
Double wow!! you are looking at the msrp price.
You have to go to the brozz250.com website for the correct price.

[Its_not_a_honda]

you are looking at the msrp price.
You have to go to the brozz250.com website for the correct price.
As I have stated before, I don't get why they have 2 prices. If a new china bike searcher finds their regular site, they will just go right on by. I like the bike and I like their videos and Jeff seems really nice. Whoever does their website is and idiot.

[duck9191]

As I have stated before, I don't get why they have 2 prices. If a new china bike searcher finds their regular site, they will just go right on by. I like the bike and I like their videos and Jeff seems really nice. Whoever does their website is and idiot.

Read the thread

Some of ya'll need to check with me before assuming things.

The price posted is MSRP from a dealer assembled ready to ride with a warranty. Some of ya'll done pissed a few of my dealers off by walking into to shops saying you should get it for $1750 because thats what its sold for online. :doh:

Having experienced techs set up your stuff is worth $$ as well as having a place to take it to for service/repairs. I very rarely get calls from dealers for Brozz anything but much more frequently from guys whose first bike is one they have to partially assemble and prep...:hmm: They are good bikes as is and guys who can turn a wrench will still get a discounted price online in the future.


However, the price is going up for 2020...one due to tariffs but two due to closing the gap between dealer and online prices so I don't have any more dealers calling me like that again. I can't build a brand without a dealer network. And these Bashans will only get better the more feedback I get from owners/dealers/myself riding them.

They advertise higher to not piss off their dealers. Their dealers just need to deal with the fact two step distribution is evolving.

[JerryHawk250]

Well said Duck9191. Back in the 80's one of the local Honda dealers would sell dirt bikes and 3 wheeler to the guy's that raced in the crate for a huge savings but voided all warranties. Besides the warranty was voided anyway because it was used for racing.
Just look at how much time you have to put into these bikes when you assemble and prep them yourself. I don't think that labor is free.

[JerryHawk250]

As I have stated before, I don't get why they have 2 prices. If a new china bike searcher finds their regular site, they will just go right on by. I like the bike and I like their videos and Jeff seems really nice. Whoever does their website is and idiot.

That is why they have two websites. One is the brick and mortar store like the name brand stores that sell you a complete bike all tagged, registered and ready to ride. The other is selling you one in a crate that you have to assemble and prep.

[duck9191]

Well said Duck9191. Back in the 80's one of the local Honda dealers would sell dirt bikes and 3 wheeler to the guy's that raced in the crate for a huge savings but voided all warranties. Besides the warranty was voided anyway because it was used for racing.
Just look at how much time you have to put into these bikes when you assemble and prep them yourself. I don't think that labor is free.


Yeah labor isn't cheap, so even if its only 2-3hrs a bike it adds up. Plus the dealer is going to price it based on their labor rates to make a profit because they are a business. They also have to deal with all the small annoying china bike issues while assembling and missing parts. It is a value added service to the right customers, and their dealers need to use that to their advantage and SELL it. Sure you can buy it online cheaper but you assemble it, you chase the missing/broken parts, you have to inspect it and register it on your own.

[bogieboy]

Yeah labor isn't cheap, so even if its only 2-3hrs a bike it adds up. Plus the dealer is going to price it based on their labor rates to make a profit because they are a business. They also have to deal with all the small annoying china bike issues while assembling and missing parts. It is a value added service to the right customers, and their dealers need to use that to their advantage and SELL it. Sure you can buy it online cheaper but you assemble it, you chase the missing/broken parts, you have to inspect it and register it on your own.

this... as a small engine mechanic, our labor price is $85/hr...so for a 3-4hr PDI, you're looking at $250-330 just for the labor, and usually anything that would would end up being plated, labor rates are higher than just simple lawn mowers...LOL

then add the time to r-crate it as a fully assembled machine, and add the cost of all the fluids that get changed, it adds up fast. :tup:

[OneLeggedRider]

Well said Duck9191. Back in the 80's one of the local Honda dealers would sell dirt bikes and 3 wheeler to the guy's that raced in the crate for a huge savings but voided all warranties. Besides the warranty was voided anyway because it was used for racing.
Just look at how much time you have to put into these bikes when you assemble and prep them yourself. I don't think that labor is free.

True story, when I worked for SKY Powersports in Lake Wales Florida the owners teenage son was into racing. So they'd have me uncrate a KX and pull all the parts that they were gonna upgrade. At the end of the season I'd have to put all the stock parts back on and remove whatever stickers the boy put on it, and then it would be sold as a demo model.

Also the crate would have to be reassembled and buried in the warehouse incase the bank decided to take inventory, which they did about every 3 months. I felt sorry for the folks that would buy the "demo" model, that thing was guaranteed to be completely ragged out.

[WhichFkn'BikesBest]

Some of ya'll need to check with me before assuming things.

The price posted is MSRP from a dealer assembled ready to ride with a warranty. Some of ya'll done pissed a few of my dealers off by walking into to shops saying you should get it for $1750 because thats what its sold for online. :doh:

Having experienced techs set up your stuff is worth $$ as well as having a place to take it to for service/repairs. I very rarely get calls from dealers for Brozz anything but much more frequently from guys whose first bike is one they have to partially assemble and prep...:hmm: They are good bikes as is and guys who can turn a wrench will still get a discounted price online in the future.


However, the price is going up for 2020...one due to tariffs but two due to closing the gap between dealer and online prices so I don't have any more dealers calling me like that again. I can't build a brand without a dealer network. And these Bashans will only get better the more feedback I get from owners/dealers/myself riding them.

I can't figure out how to order this bike online. It just says to call but orders can't be placed over the phone either?

[JerryHawk250]

I can't figure out how to order this bike online. It just says to call but orders can't be placed over the phone either?

You should be able to add to cart to make the purchase. https://shop.brozz250.com/eshopprod_cat_5820296-5932689_product_8537975.2020_Brozz_Recon.htm

[JohnC]

I can't figure out how to order this bike online. It just says to call but orders can't be placed over the phone either?
I ordered by talking with Jeff directly. Gave him my credit card # on the phone. That was in March. I would expect you can do the same. I would keep calling again until you get him.



I really am pleased with my Brozz.


John

[Brozz250]

I bought the 2020 Bashan brozz 250 back in May for 1950. I think the price that you're seeing is possibly the price of the bike if it's completely assembled.

[gwowzer]

Yup, it'll be $1950 exactly and just keep calling and asking for Jeff. He'll take your numbers over the phone, and you'll get the bike a few days after that. Regret making this post, because I took the plunge after being informed, and haven't looked back since. Peace Sports is an excellent company to deal with.
Has anyone seen any updates on the 2021 model?