Zapkins Nightmare (NOW WITH HAPPY ENDING!)

dealer called first thing this morning. new chain and sprockets installed. they will be delivering it this afternoon. I am planning to go for a short ride today, but its kind of chilly out so I don't know how far.

[pumpkin]

congrats i hope it's a ok!!

[TeamCheap]

they will be delivering it this afternoon.
I'm sorry but I just had this terrible image of a pickup truck backing up real fast, locking up the brakes and dumping your bike at the end of your driveway.


I hope they have it fixed for you and all they did was put on a chain and sprockets.

[AZ200cc]

Good luck, I hope that fixed it.

I just got back from taking bike for a ride. They've changed the gear ratio. The sprocket on the rear is larger and more robust. The bike seems happier. I am not sure of the exact changes made but will post pics. It will do about 55 at right around 7.5 rpm...but I don't want to run it that high. With the different gearing and the performance air cleaner the bike is much more powerful. It feels overall better, I can't really explain it other than to say it just feels better. I know i've been a neurotic roller coaster ride of a poster on this board. I keep letting my personal life and politics interfere with my online persona. I think for the time being I am going to just kind of lurk and keep my big mouth (fingers) shut. But I will post some photos of the rear sprocket and stuff.

The bike just seems better geared for my type of riding which is wavy hilly back roads.

take it easy folks.

[AZ200cc]

Well congrats, Glad that it is cured.

[bronevaya]

keep posting!!

seriously, every post with some kind of problem or fix will help people in the future. From what Ive seen all your ramblings have been bike problems, which is why this forum exist.

keep posting!!

[katoranger]

What size sprockets did then install? I run about the speed/rpm and am very happy with the combination.

Keep posting.

Allen

I am not sure what size the new sprocket is. I notice that the bike pulls quite a bit harder so I am assuming its a larger sprocket. It also looks to be more robust. BUT there is still the vibration. On a whim I opened the motor back up and reset the valves again (just in case I did it wrong and maybe that was an issue (remember I'm a newb)). This time I set the intake to .002 and the exhaust to .003.

The vibration is still there but the mechanics checked out the tranny (hehe that still cracks me up) and said its okay and the lack of metal in my screen makes me believe that)

I checked those three engine mount bolts on the back top of the engine and they are all WAYYYY to small for the holes they are in. I am going to start replacing motor bolts there because they are small and easy to get to. I will take the advice given and drill the holes if necessary and install some REAL bolts. Would using rubber washers be of any value???

Overall the bike seems better geared to my type of driving. Its not as fast top end, but I really prefer the power down low. I was planning on going to the rumble on the ridge on april 5th, but I have decided that I don't want to. I am not confident in myself to keep from trashing me or the bike.

I am just going to putt around on it and replace bolts. I got an email from AL that says a 400 is right around the corner so I may consider that in the future EVEN THOUGH I VOWED NOT TO BUY ANOTHER CHINABIKE..I often eat my own words.

I still like the damned thing, despite its shortcomings I was riding today and couldn't help but grin around every corner. Route 250 out of Bridgeport is a fun road.

[AZ200cc]

When I first got my bike, I was a little ashamed of where it was made.
But after having a blast on it and getting back into riding I loved the little bike that could. I may never own another chinese bike but I will never regret having owned one.

[TeamCheap]

I dont think rubber washers will help I used grade 8 bolts and steel lock nuts with grade 8 washers where ever I could get them to fit.
Probably overkill but I dont have to worry about the bolts shearing off, I do worry about the engine breaking in half though. :lol:

I suggest starting with the big engine mount bolts, the top rear and bottom rear but if you got the long top rear bolt just do the bottom rear and then the four at the front.
I feel the three at the top near carb are least important and easiest to do but you have to remake the top three hole brackets(simple to make)

The big rear bolts and the front four bolts do more to firm up the bike frame overall and the two rear bolts in my opinion are best to get set first since they will help keep the chain properly aligned with the engine.

On my bike I changed all engine bolts and had to remove the brackets for the long useless, stupid, wimpy top engine bolt and welded in some brackets that allow me to use the same length bolt there as is on the bottom.

On my wifes bike I just left the long bolt and changed the rest and it has been fine but I will be changing hers around like mine soon.


The engine mount bolts are one of the most dangerous and damaging things I have seen on these bikes and lead to all kinds of trouble.
(vibration, chain/sprocket damage, possible engine damage from thrown chain, possible bodily injury caused by rear tire locking up causing crash from thrown chain,possible frame failure since engine completes frame)

[katoranger]

I had lost the lowest rear bolt on a ebay purchase run. I noticed the vibes got really bad and when I got home I looked it over and found the bolt was missing. The next day is when I replaced all the bolts I could. Been fine since. 4000 miles.

Allen

Okay I will do as you suggested. should I loosed them all and then do those two rear ones down good..then re-tighten the rest? here is a picture of my rear sprocket. kind of a low res pic.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm168/zapkin1972/sprocketbig.jpg

here is another wider angle

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm168/zapkin1972/21607bike010.jpg

[TeamCheap]

Does your bike have the long upper rear bolt???

Can you post some pics of the engine and mounting area's?

Well congrats, Glad that it is cured.

its not

the vibration issue is still there. gets worse up to a point when bike warms up. skid plate lost two rear bolts front nearly out.

here is a link to my post on the AL site concerning this issue:

http://americanlifan.com/lifan3/customer/viewtopic.php?p=557#557


The problem is somewhat intermittent as is evidenced by the above posts. BUT it is still there and at this point I think the skid plate bolts vibrating off clearly demonstrates there is something wrong!

I could live with the vibration if it were not for the fact that it developed somewhat suddenly and is ongoing and this motor is supposed to be balanced.

Were it the other model that everyone has describes as vibrating their bolts out I would know I was okay, this is what to expect, but this issue is different.

After a ride tonight the vibration was really bad which is why I am here now, posting this and I am going to be honest here folks...I am pissed!!!!

:evil:

I thought about selling the bike, but I could not even look a potential buyer in the face and take their money for it. pretty messed up aint it?[/url]

[kczukiman]

Dang Zap,That really sucks for you.But I think, maybe its just a hunch,that your dealer knew that a sprocket and chain wasn't going to fix that problem.
When you push the clutch in does it smooth out still like befor?

nope..i can feel the vibration slightly now revving with clutch pulled in. There is clearly something wrong here.

I believe the bike is defective. The problem comes and goes but seems to be getting worse over time.

this totally bites. tonight I rode over to south wheeling and was worried the whole way about my damn motor just locking up.

i bought a lemon, but I seriously doubt there will be any way to resolve the issue.

I cannot afford to buy another motor.

[AZ200cc]

Yah I thought it was odd that thye went for the sprocket and chain, But stranger things have happened. You are stilled owed a proper fix from the dealer and I would not let them jerk You around with odd fixes that don't really address the problem. The trannie is my guess...And I think it was everyone elses guess also. Sorry to hear about it bro but even a Mercedes can have problems when they are new. That's what warranties are for. Why not tell them to switch You bikes wonder if they would do that.

oh and I went over the bolts again on the motor they are all tight.

Why not tell them to switch You bikes wonder if they would do that.

hmm..I may just do that.

[kczukiman]

Zap I wouldn't let up either.I would give them a choice.A new motor or another bike or Refund.And you don,t want to wait day's or weeks.You need your bike for transpertation.

[MATT]

Especially since you laid down the cash for an american lifan. If american lifan is supposedly so much better than online sellers of grey market bikes than why don't they put or shut up. I have to say that your issue even pisses me off. We've all sat here and listened to this churched up b.s. about the whole A.L. slash grey market disagreeaments. I think you should give em hell and use this forum as tool to get your point across.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I think the bullying, controlling attitude that A.L. takes to industry needs to be considered now that they have stolen the market and will continue to raise the prices on a product that seems to be no better than that which we were all at one time purchasing online significantly cheaper. If you want a product to be sold only by authorized dealers then those dealerships need to be held accountable and must make things right especially on a bike that only has 600 miles. My Drz400 doesn't even require an oil change until that point! I would demand a new engine.

in all fairness..its up to about 700 miles now.

[TeamCheap]

Well if it turns out to be something simple like the engine mount bolts you should go to the dealer and clue them in.

If its the engine tell them to take the thing back and refund your money since you have little confidence at that point that a new engine will be any better.

I have to ask :
Why did they change the sprocket ratio/size ? did you ask them to ?


My wife and I plan to go look at the UM-DTF-200 saturday just to check them out.

I did not ask them to change the sprocket size. They did that on their own accord. Originally I wanted to go with a smaller sprocket to lower the rpm's of the motor and was planning to order a 42 from EJCycles. I think they were just sort of doing the minimal intrusion approach. And maybe trying to pacify me. I'm really not sure they even took my situation seriously. But, who can say what motivates people? I sure the heck can't.

I do like the pull of the lower gearing but if I had a choice in the matter I'd revert back to the stock or even go to the 42. (which I intend to do once this vibration thing is sorted out)

Its funny that first ride after not having the bike felt good because I noticed the added pick-up (i had already noticed a moderate increase just making the change to a cone air filter) but after the bike warmed the vibration kicked in and I knew there was gonna be a problem. I keep wanting to give everyone and everything the benefit of the doubt but it keeps coming back to haunt me.

If it turns out to be a bolt, I will let them know so they can keep that in mind if someone has a similar problem in the future.

I just don't think its a bolt because I've tried tightening all the motor bolts and they all feel solid. I guess I will have to remove them one by one as was suggested and check them all but damn man...that sux.

I don't want to complain to the dealer again until I know for sure 100% that all of the engine bolts are solid. Then I guess its a give it to them and it will be a sit around and wait game. All the while, my warranty is ticking away.

Maybe I should call AL and just be blunt about the situation and say hey, I bought from an authorized dealer, I bought a counterbalanced bike, my bike does not feel safe at this point, what are you going to do about it?

To me the vibe from a particular individual at the dealership is "its a chinese bike, what do you expect", but the dang thing is not right, its under warranty and it should be fixed.

GRRRR

And I have to agree (sorry AL if you are reading this but this is the God's honest truth), if you are going to corner the market on the Lifan's and force people to buy from your authorized dealers then you should be fair about honoring the warranty. Especially if you claim that other Lifan's are inferior.

For what I paid for this bike, I may have been able to get another brand china bike and a spare engine. would have...could have...should have.

enough of my whining..but you guys did encourage me to keep posting. so I will.

tomorrow I will update with info regarding bolt situation.

[pumpkin]

i went to the same dealer as zapkin and i have no faith in them what so ever. sales dept. is ok but parts and service(at least a year ago) are sub par at best.

[TeamCheap]

To me the vibe from a particular individual at the dealership is "its a chinese bike, what do you expect", but the dang thing is not right, its under warranty and it should be fixed.

"its a chinese bike, what do you expect"
WHAT, what does that have to do with anything!!! if it's warranteed it's warranteed PERIOD.
Them :"its a chinese bike, what do you expect"
my answer would have been :"it's a chinese bike with a warranty"

If they are going to use the sales gimick of "it's got a warranty" then they better be ready to stand behind it.

I understand a bit on how you feel about the dealer and it not being their fault but then again they started the business for better or worse and now they are in it and need to make it right.If they had picked a solid product to sell then they might not have to do as much work on them and they'd be sitting back making the easy money.

A.L. reimburses them for warranty work dont they?

[MATT]

I'm really starting to hate A.L. and I don't even own one.

Let me clarify that they did not actually say "its a china bike what do you expect" but I was a salesman myself and can generally pick up on insinuations.

[SamM]

Well, I simply must chime in again at this point! My warranty claim was turned down by this same dealership. I was dealing with a QLink bike and not the American Lifan but I feel this dealership did nothing to help me with the situation. They basically said to my face, "that I must have wrecked the bike before I brought it in to them." I barely rode the bike and certainly did not wreck it. The frame was bent, when I got it, the bike was leaking oil and the battery cable was broken. They fixed the cable and did nothing else. The bike has been sitting in my garage since the day I brought it home after it sat in their shop for 8 weeks. Actually, I think they wrecked the bike while they had it. When I got it back the handlebars were bent and the electric starter would not start the bike anymore. It was also scratched up. When I told them the bars weren't bent and the body was scratched when I brought it in to them. They shrugged their shoulders and said, "that's the way it was when we got it!" I'll never forget it! I thought what a bunch of liars!

Honestly, my QLink's warranty wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. I have only had my bike since August 26, 2007. Technically the warranty was good for 1 year. I have no recourse with this! Unless you contact American Lifan and report the problem and what the dealership is doing to you, the dealership will do it for you and make something up to cover themselves. At this point be very careful. Take pictures of the bike and document what has happened.

SamM

[TeamCheap]

Ok I got ya ZAPKIN.

SamM, warranties to me just seem to be a gimmick although when my dr650 blew a front fork seal the dealer repaired it but it took a very long time (weeks-for a fork seal-OMG) but on something like these china bikes while I feel they really need a warranty because of what they are, I actually wouldnt expect a warranty to be honored because of the nature of most of the people selling them.

I think there are only a few dealers who sell china bikes that actually care about taking care of their customers, the rest just care about making all that money. :x

I bought our bikes with the thinking I will have to do some wrenching which didnt bother or scare me(i accepted that) but I never thought I'd have to whip out the sawsall and welder on them.

[kczukiman]

Zap,I think I would do as another suggested.I would make them aware of this site.Also I would let them know that A.L. follows the info and fedback from the members of the forum,as well as telling them your documenting and takig pictures of the whole ordeal to report them to A.L..As well as reporting them to the BBB.
Tell them your a man of princable and right is right no matter if its a honda , BMW,or a Chinese bike.And you wont let up on them until you are satisfied.

I called AL this morning and left them a message. I also made a video detailing in my own words my current situation. A friend of mine has agreed to help me with the bolt inspection today. Will have the verdict by 5pm today, maybe sooner.

[culcune]

Especially since you laid down the cash for an american lifan. If american lifan is supposedly so much better than online sellers of grey market bikes than why don't they put or shut up. I have to say that your issue even pisses me off. We've all sat here and listened to this churched up b.s. about the whole A.L. slash grey market disagreeaments. I think you should give em hell and use this forum as tool to get your point across.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I think the bullying, controlling attitude that A.L. takes to industry needs to be considered now that they have stolen the market and will continue to raise the prices on a product that seems to be no better than that which we were all at one time purchasing online significantly cheaper. If you want a product to be sold only by authorized dealers then those dealerships need to be held accountable and must make things right especially on a bike that only has 600 miles. My Drz400 doesn't even require an oil change until that point! I would demand a new engine.

I second this. Let A. Lifan stand behind their product if the dealer isn't going to.

[SamM]

SamM, warranties to me just seem to be a gimmick although when my dr650 blew a front fork seal the dealer repaired it but it took a very long time (weeks-for a fork seal-OMG) but on something like these china bikes while I feel they really need a warranty because of what they are, I actually wouldnt expect a warranty to be honored because of the nature of most of the people selling them.

I think there are only a few dealers who sell china bikes that actually care about taking care of their customers, the rest just care about making all that money.

I bought our bikes with the thinking I will have to do some wrenching which didnt bother or scare me(i accepted that) but I never thought I'd have to whip out the sawsall and welder on them.

I somewhat concur! I don't take much stock in warranties. My new KLR has a warranty but I don't plan to use it. Parts are readily available and I can afford to fix whatever happens to this bike. However, warranties are the only recourse that customers have to insure a product is exceptable for purchase. If your brand new Mercedes Benz/McLaren SLK blew it's engine, four blocks from the dealer on the day you bought it, what would you do? You'd call the dealership, they'd send a flatbed and they'd take it back to the dealership to be fixed. Anything else is unacceptable! You're not going to buy a new engine for that brand new McLaren! After spending that much you couldn't or wouldn't want/afford too! What's the difference? The cost of what you spent? With such glaring issues on a brand new bike, I expected to have my brand new bike fixed. It's not like I can run down to the local Zongshen dealer and get something off the shelf. Is it too much to ask to have the bike made right? I guess so, because they found a way out from under it. As I said, I don't take much stock in warranties, but come on! If I want the bike fixed now, I have to break out the Sawzall and welder. That is unacceptable! Not on a brand new bike! Forum like this will help because they word will get out and hopefully people will walk away. Unfortunately, people sometimes need to find out for themselves and don't believe what is reported to them. I tend to be the same way and like to give slack where I shouldn't.

The parts availability is a completetly separate issue. It's uncalled for and should never, ever happen. If I could just find a frame to buy I could fix the bent motorcycle. I'm willing to do that. I was aways willing to do that from day one. The trouble is nobody can get me a frame. How lame is that!

I feel for Zapkin. I know where he is coming from. Don't buy into the claims of these manufacturers or dealers. Pumpkin reported that if he had it to do again he would have bought his bike from ebay or T-Motorsports for way less than he has in it. The warranty simply wasn't worth the extra cost. On that note: I would want to put in a plug for Bruce at EJCycles. He is the only dealer I would buy an American Lifan motorcycle from. I have had dealings with him and he is a good guy. I'm sure he would work to help anyway he could. If the GY-6 comes to America, I would buy one from Bruce based on reputation alone!

If I go down the chinabike road again, and I may very well do that. Either the United Motors DSF/SMF-200 or the American Lifan GY-6 would be the bikes I'd be looking at.

SamM

[culcune]

Diamo, according to their site, will pick you and the bike up, wherever you are, and take you to the nearest Diamo dealer. Of course, their bikes are in what I would call "premium" Chinese bike territory just based on their prices, but a less active member, 'tzrider' (who used to contribute alot, but not lately) had an '04 model enduro and had very good luck with it, and the bikes improved (and went up in price) since then.

My local UM dealer is also a Diamo dealer, but does not actively keep diamos in stock. I don't know if I would trust that dealer to honor, well anything, but the idea of Diamo actually picking you up if you are stranded (several times in 250 degree F heat--ok 105 F with my Jetmoto) makes me think about spending the extra cash, provided the cost isn't approaching japanese territory like the UM is (that same dealer wants around $3600 on the road for the DSF and SMF 200).

However, I would trust that UM, Diamo and Qlink would honor their warranties--taking the dealer into account, and the circumstance for buying the bike (I think that is why they dissed you, Sam!).

did not get to work on bike today as it was cold as heck and spitting the occasional flurry. hopefully i can do it tomorrow after dinner if my friend can be lured into it...hehe I think a 12 pack might help to seal the deal.

[SamM]

I didn't tell them any of the circumstances about buying the bike. It doesn't really matter anyway. I had a new bike and they did nothing! The warranty wasn't worth the time it took to print it.

Just my opinion!

SamM

it is a 1600 dollar lesson.

i spent more than that on escorts and herbal remedies the last time the student loan came in. i need to keep it all in perspective.

FREE TIBET!!!!

which goes to show how totally distorted my priorities are.

[culcune]

I didn't tell them any of the circumstances about buying the bike. It doesn't really matter anyway. I had a new bike and they did nothing! The warranty wasn't worth the time it took to print it.

Just my opinion!

SamM

I am annoyed that they didn't take care of you. You got jipped by the dealer, but Qlink should have stepped up with the frame--the PR would have been well worth it!

[culcune]

it is a 1600 dollar lesson.

i spent more than that on escorts and herbal remedies the last time the student loan came in. i need to keep it all in perspective.

FREE TIBET!!!!

do you have pictures or video--of the escorts, not the herbal remedies? :wink:

Check out Godfather's on Wheeling Island..but be discrete.

and as far as the remedies..only trust people you've known your whole life.

heheheheheh

you should see how I just flipped out on AL..but piss on them now. if and when I buy another bike it will not be a american lifan. Im sort of liking those 250 rocketas...or even that retro looking rocketa i posted about a while back.

if I buy another china bike I will mail order it and I won't expect any support or service other than what me and my buddies can do and if it breaks I will just say...whatever.

I've started saving

wish i could get one of those little honda 350's like this one:

http://auction.netbikes.com.au/editable/testcb350/CB350K2.jpg

buddy of mine had one and it ran like a top until he dumped it on ice and trashed it :(

[rigidchop]

i was considering buying a bike from that dealership. i guess i wont be spending my chinabucks there. as to the 350, those bikes are pretty cool looking. the engine in the pics looks pretty similar to a lifan engine (at least the lower case does) and i was looking at some cb 200's in a magazine the other day, thinking about trying to fit a china motor into one. sorry not trying to hijack your thread, your whole experience is why i have not taken the china bike plunge as of yet. (not really yours in particular, but i never have good luck with anything questionable)

[MATT]

I'm starting to realize that making the payments on a jap bike actually is cheaper than the repairs to the lifan. Unfortunatly the available mods will drain wallet pretty quick. I'm sure Sam would agree with the amount of performance parts he has added to the KLR.

Hey Zap I was wondering if maybe your problem is Clutch related seeing as that It now vibrates all the time. It maybe an easy investigation.

the dude that delivered the bike told me it was definately not a tranny or engine issue. i am assuming they had it apart but who knows. my buddy is sort of mechanically inclined and works on his harley and other stuff so he and I are going to take a peek inside.

I dont care about the warranty anymore.

After basically being treated like a moron (which I am defiantely not) by the AL website I'll not be there anymore.

when my friend and I find the problem i will order parts necessary through bruce.

or if it is in fact something else, like a weld or an engine bolt I will come onto this website and declare matter of fact that it was not the tranny.

thing is...if it turns out to be a weld or something like a sheared motor bolt, should'nt they have been able to figure that out during the week and a half they had my bike. they just wanted to pacify me..thats all.

if I ever do buy another lifan it will be through bruce and I'll rent a uhaul to pick it up as i would rather deal with someone who cares.

i know i got really jacked during this whole thing but what REALLY annoyed me is that me and my youngest had a lot of fun on the bike cruising around. Once the vibration started and I could find no obvious reason I was afraid to put her on the back anymore.

i know you guys have seen me run the whole gamut of emotions from trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt to getting drunk and posting crazy crap..but the one thing that was constant was your desire to help me find the solution to this problem.

I do mean it too, if this is something as simple as a sheered bolt or a weld, I will make sure to post about it. and I sure hope it is something like that. this morning i felt guilty about the angry posts i made while shipfaced.

I am willing to eat as much crow on this site as necessary if I turn out to have been totally wrong and smeared the bike unjustly, but I wont apologize to AL or my local dealer as I feel they are not on the up and up with me and really don't care.

i dont think ill be able to get by friend to work on the bike today but next week we will tear into it and find the problem if it is within our abilities to do so.

im not going to trash the product anymore. i am going to be a nice guy again and just let it slide..worst case scenario I learned a lesson..best case..my bike is fixed and the universe is in balance again.

[warrior91]

Still seems to me as a clutch basket groove, clutch plate warp than anything else...Changing a sprocket for vibes????Nuts. :roll:

[TeamCheap]

YEAh I thought the sprockets were a bit off as far as the problem but they could point to a problem.

I still think it is either a loose engine or an internal engine problem.

And I'd lean to a loose engine since that would show up pretty soon as it did on ours as compared to an internal engine problem on a counter balanced engine.
Plus he said the oil looked good on the last oil change, no particles in it.


Have they had any problems with the counter balanced engines, it seems like I read or heard somewhere that they had some problems at first with those.

[SamM]

If it's not the clutch, I'd bet on the counterbalancer. You could always remove it. Check with Bruce to see what a new clutch costs. That's a worst case scenario.

More later,
SamM

[rigidchop]

did you ever try and hold the rear brake, and give it gas at the same time? it puts the engine under load at a slow speed, anything loose will rattle or vibrate more than before. if it was the whole engine moving you would definitly notice it, and if its something internal, it would be easier to pinpoint. just a thought.

[kczukiman]

did you ever try and hold the rear brake, and give it gas at the same time? it puts the engine under load at a slow speed, anything loose will rattle or vibrate more than before. if it was the whole engine moving you would definitly notice it, and if its something internal, it would be easier to pinpoint. just a thought.

Thats a good idea.

[rigidchop]

its a good way to test out a used car before you buy it as well. works better with a manual trans though.

[ejcycles]

zapkin
My post was deleted from the A. Lifan forum... And again I offer you that you bring the bike to my dealership and let me check it out. If it is an internal engine problem we will get it repaired under warranty.

[SamM]

Zapkin,
You didn't listen to me last time. You really should this time. Take a day and get the bike to Bruce. He'll take care of you! If you need help or someone to go with you, let me know. I have a trailer, tie-downs, etc...!

I'm on vacation this week but the middle of next week is clear for me.

SamM

[kczukiman]

zapkin
My post was deleted from the A. Lifan forum... And again I offer you that you bring the bike to my dealership and let me check it out. If it is an internal engine problem we will get it repaired under warranty.

Thats an offer that you can't refuse.You don't run across people like him everyday :wink:

[warrior91]

I was lurking on the A.L. site....and likely won't be back.

They admins. are dealers and know absolutley everything and the customers know nothing. (seems to me) . Treat members like children who don't know azz from hole in ground. They seem to diss honest/knowledgable people like bruce, and treat customers as disposable once they are paid in full.

Hiding/neglecting problems with the bike is no way to build customer base.
I would feel better about the dealerships if the actually came up with some tech/answers...instead of deleting posts...
Shows me how much they proffess to know about the industry and how to make it better(?)

[TeamCheap]

Tis easier to dodge the question than to show just how little they know.

I just knew there was a reason I stayed away from A.L.'s site , well it actually has more to do with the fact that I dont own A.L. products so I see zero use for me to be there.


WAIT WAIT edit :

They dis on bruce, hmm......maybe because he has a different business philosphy, you know, take care of the customers and stuff like that.

[AZ200cc]

zapkin
My post was deleted from the A. Lifan forum... And again I offer you that you bring the bike to my dealership and let me check it out. If it is an internal engine problem we will get it repaired under warranty.

Thats a hell of an offer, That's what sets You apart from a lot of other dealers.

Id take him up on it Zapkin.

[fatboy250]

Bruce even takes care of other china bike owners if he can get like parts. I know since he's gotten all the spokes I've needed for my Roketa. My other option was to buy an entire rear wheel from Roketa.

[kczukiman]

I still think that you should let your dealer have it with both barrels.He's getting off way to easy for you to just give up on him thats what he wants you to do.
Bruce is a steller guy and I definatly would take him up on his offer but I'll be d-mb if I would let that dealer get off the hook! :x

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