Can't Kick Start

[Magician16]

I have tried and tried to kick start my Magician, but it just won't work. Every bike I've had, I kick started, but why won't this Hondroid do it?

[lilgman]

Hi Magician16. I'm no expert on this forum, but I couldn't kick start my bike until the valve clearances were right. I would definitely start by checking that. Here's the tutorial that I followed.

http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=977

Make sure you don't confuse hundredths of millimetres and thousands of inches. Megandan gives correct, clear information in the third post of this recent thread.

http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=26545

Good luck!

[JerryHawk250]

Once the engine is broke in, carb tuned and valves adjusted it will kick start. I recently rode my hawk for 2 weeks with a dead battery. 1 or 2 kicks is all it takes. But new there was no way i could kick start it.

[mtiberio]

agree, new motors too tight. wait to 500 or 1k miles

[Magician16]

OK bike has just short of 500 miles, valves are at .0025 and .003 in. The carb was right, at 42 pilot, 1 3/4 turns, and 105 main. When I adjusted the valves, I tried a 110 main, and that's definitely too much, starting cutting out at 52 mph. I'll change it back to a 105.

[Megadan]

I could kick start my Hawk new. It's all about the pilot and idle mixture setup and the technique. I had to use full choke, but 2 or 3 kicks was all it took. The trick was to flip the choke to half after it started before it would bog out and die lol. When I installed the pumper carb, kick starts were a real breeze. One or two good twists of the throttle to get the accelerator pump to squirt some fuel into the intake, kick, and it would fire on the first or second kick each time.

[Ina Ditch]

I could kick start my Hawk new. It's all about the pilot and idle mixture setup and the technique. I had to use full choke, but 2 or 3 kicks was all it took. The trick was to flip the choke to half after it started before it would bog out and die lol. When I installed the pumper carb, kick starts were a real breeze. One or two good twists of the throttle to get the accelerator pump to squirt some fuel into the intake, kick, and it would fire on the first or second kick each time.


I haven't had the patience to kick start mine either, the valves have been adjusted but I didn't choke it because it is so hot here, I'll try that.
I had just told one of the guys at work yesterday that I hoped I never had to kick start it.


glad this thread came along:thanks:

[Megadan]

I haven't had the patience to kick start mine either, the valves have been adjusted but I didn't choke it because it is so hot here, I'll try that.
I had just told one of the guys at work yesterday that I hoped I never had to kick start it.


glad this thread came along:thanks:

If it is hot enough out, full choke will make it hard to start. In that instance I just hold the throttle slightly open when I kick it over. Sometimes half-choke can do the trick too on a warmer day. I only use the choke as a cheat on moderate temps (70's and 60's) and cooler days.

Just so you know, I don't really ever kick mine over other than just to do something different lol. E-start is my friend. Kicking over a motor with higher compression is... fun.

[bogieboy]

If it is hot enough out, full choke will make it hard to start. In that instance I just hold the throttle slightly open when I kick it over. Sometimes half-choke can do the trick too on a warmer day. I only use the choke as a cheat on moderate temps (70's and 60's) and cooler days.

Just so you know, I don't really ever kick mine over than just to do something different lol. E-start is my friend. Kicking over a motor with higher compression is... fun.

translation... the higher compression engine will kick you over if ya dont do it right....lol:lmao:

[Magician16]

Ok, I've got the 105 main back in. It runs strong up the full rpm band. It still won't kick start yet.

[Magician16]

translation... the higher compression engine will kick you over if ya dont do it right....lol:lmao:
I saw a Harley kick a guy right over the handle bars once.

[Megadan]

translation... the higher compression engine will kick you over if ya dont do it right....lol:lmao:

Accurate.

Ok, I've got the 105 main back in. It runs strong up the full rpm band. It still won't kick start yet.

Main won't do a thing for kick starting, unless you are holding the throttle wide open, in which case have fun kicking into a concrete wall lol.

Focus should be on pilot jet and/or idle mixture. Lean idle mixtures in particular make for a pain in the ass kick start, and if you are kicking with the throttle opened a little, the pilot jet would then come into play.

[JerryHawk250]

translation... the higher compression engine will kick you over if ya dont do it right....lol:lmao:

Ha! Mine kicked back once and I felt it for a few days. lol

[Ina Ditch]

I saw a Harley kick a guy right over the handle bars once.


what he said, one of my neighbors had an old sportster do the same to him.

[Cravin01]

I wasn't successful until I added a pumper carburetor. Once it was warm it would fire.

[mybike]

All in the pilot jet and screw mixture, adjusted valves also helps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnVwE_wz7mg

[bogieboy]

Ha! Mine kicked back once and I felt it for a few days. lol

first time i tried starting my Kawi F11 250 smoker, i had the ignition plate out to completely rewire it (all the wiring was falling apart on that thing...LOL) Aparrently i placed the timing plate a bit to far advanced....i was sure i had broken my ankle/metatarsals in my right foot...:grr::grr: first and last time i ever tried starting a smoker with tennis shoes on...:lmao:

[Magician16]

Today I was doing a bit of tinkering with the bike, adjusting chain, etc. Ran plug chops at idle and 1/4 to 1/2 throttle and both were perfect. Compression was 150 psi, and I figured if it was ever going to kick start, it would do it now. It was not cooled all the way down, but close. Kicked right over first try.

[TheChairman]

I learned kickstarting on my pre-electronics, horrible Russian carburetors Ural. They are cantankerous bastards you have to often *at least* buy flowers for to get to even start on most days. Those are meant to be kicked over with a crank load of frozen 30w in the Siberian winter.

It helps to kick it over once or twice slowly to draw a little fuel up. Then give it a quarter or so throttle, and put some ass into it. More than 2 or 3 kicks without at least a fart will flood it and make kicking harder. If that happens, wait a minute or 3 and try again.

I've just about gotten my TT250 down to a science where I can kick it over every time but when it's stone cold.