Covid Vaccine yesterday, 1 of 2

[wheelbender6]

I got the Moderna shot yesterday. Booster will be in 4 weeks.
I have a mild fever, headache and body aches. Nothing bad.
-I think I feel good enough to watch sports on the telly, but not good enough to do chores. (Perfect!)
-Craving chocolate.

[cheesy]

Getting my first one tomorrow.

[2LZ]

I'm curious to see how people here respond to the Johnson & Johnson "one and done" shot.
I had mine last week and I felt like s--t the second day. Then fine.....then it's roller coastered on me over the days.

[turbodadd]

Why would you get a vaccine for a 99.9% survival rate... SMH. Also it is NOT FDA approved, and anyone who gets it is participating in a clinical trial. Also it DOES NOT prevent you from getting, or transmitting cv19. Also big pharma is off the hook for any complications. You cannot sue for issues with the vaccine.

Just my .02

[Its_not_a_honda]

My sister in law almost died from the second one. Had to go to the hospital. Eyes swelled shut, fever, sick. She was a perfectly healthy woman. No need for the shot. Now she's messed up.

[Landsvw]

I got both Moderna. No issues except had a 3 hours fever 11 hours after the second. My mom, 84 got the J and J. No issues! All good. Yay for modern medicine!

[Oldenslow]

Why would you get a vaccine for a 99.9% survival rate... SMH. Also it is NOT FDA approved, and anyone who gets it is participating in a clinical trial. Also it DOES NOT prevent you from getting, or transmitting cv19. Also big pharma is off the hook for any complications. You cannot sue for issues with the vaccine.

Just my .02


Here's news for you: whoever takes an aspirin is participating in a clinical study. Simple fact -- no one knows how a medication or vaccine that's fine for me or you will act on another individual.

[Landsvw]

I’d rather take a chance with a vaccination than have the full blown disease. My uncle died from it. Another uncle and aunt had it but uncle had mild symptoms and aunt had tough ones. It’s a crap shoot but, I think the vaccination is the better bet.

[2LZ]

Here's news for you: whoever takes an aspirin is participating in a clinical study. Simple fact -- no one knows how a medication or vaccine that's fine for me or you will act on another individual.
Agreed, I've been eating hot dogs my entire life and have no idea what's in them.

Out of my 84 year old mom, aunt, brother, sister in law, two nephews and all my old buddies I hang out with, I'm the only one who has had any significant side effects. That said, being on immune-supressors, with underlying health issues, may have something to do with that.

In my particular case, I'd much rather deal with some shot side-effects than getting Covid. The odds wouldn't have been in my favor.

[Wild Dog]

There were quite a few diseases that were erradicated thanks to vaccines but now they are back thanks to anti vaxxers.

If more people is now reaching the 100s is due to medical R&D and Vaccines are very importa part of that R&D. Are there some side effects to some drugs and vaccines of course, but that's better than died at age 29 due common flu.

The Vaccines being used here are the Sputnik V, Oxford/ AstraZeneca, Sinopharm. I know a few that already got vaccined by them, only had mild fever.

[cheesy]

One Moderna down, one to go.

[turbodadd]

My sister in law almost died from the second one. Had to go to the hospital. Eyes swelled shut, fever, sick. She was a perfectly healthy woman. No need for the shot. Now she's messed up.
Exactly

I got both Moderna. No issues except had a 3 hours fever 11 hours after the second. My mom, 84 got the J and J. No issues! All good. Yay for modern medicine!
Being part of a clinical trial means some people recieve the Vax, and some receive a placebo.

Here's news for you: whoever takes an aspirin is participating in a clinical study. Simple fact -- no one knows how a medication or vaccine that's fine for me or you will act on another individual.
Not true. The clinical studies have been done for Aspirin before the FDA approved it. The vaccine HAS NOT been tested, OR approved...

I’d rather take a chance with a vaccination than have the full blown disease. My uncle died from it. Another uncle and aunt had it but uncle had mild symptoms and aunt had tough ones. It’s a crap shoot but, I think the vaccination is the better bet.
I am sorry for your uncle. But EVERYTHING is being labeled "covid death" the CDC came out and published that ONLY 6% of reported deaths are from covid itself. The rest, are NOT. And with the PCR testing being proven to provide so many false positives, they had to change it you think people would be able to put 2 and 2 together to understand this is not what they say it is.

Agreed, I've been eating hot dogs my entire life and have no idea what's in them.

Out of my 84 year old mom, aunt, brother, sister in law, two nephews and all my old buddies I hang out with, I'm the only one who has had any significant side effects. That said, being on immune-supressors, with underlying health issues, may have something to do with that.

That said, in my particular case, I'd much rather deal with some shot side-effects than getting Covid. The odds wouldn't have been in my favor.

BS. My sister has an auto immune disease, and is very sick and immune suppresed... She got covid, and had a headache... It is not what they say it is.

There were quite a few diseases that were erradicated thanks to vaccines but now they are back thanks to anti vaxxers.

If more people is now reaching the 100s is due to medical R&D and Vaccines are very importa part of that R&D. Are there some side effects to some drugs and vaccines of course, but that's better than died at age 29 due common flu.

The Vaccines being used here are the Sputnik V, Oxford/ AstraZeneca, Sinopharm. I know a few that already got vaccined by them, only had mild fever.
Yes, vaccines are good. I agree. But times have changed. The vax companies are NO LONGER LIABLE for complications... that means they can no longer be sued for complications of a vaccine. I understand anyone can have a unique reaction to anything.... But this is different. my kids are reccomended WAY MORE vaccines than I recieved as a child, and knowing the big pharma can no longer be held responsible is a huge red flag... We all know the US healthcare system cares about 1 thing $$$$$$$$$

[Landsvw]

I didn’t participate in a ‘clinical trial’. I got a shot, Moderna, since I’m a teacher and a month later I got the second one. No major issues except the 3 hour fever. Also, again, it’s (and all of life is) a crap shoot. I chose the shot. So far so good...

So did my mom, son, and sister. So far so good. Takes a daily burden off me too, as 1) won’t spread it as easily and 2) 95% percent protected against getting it and 3) if i do get it, won’t die...

All a crap shoot tho. And anti Vaxxers are.... ok won’t be mean. But get shots! Lol. That reminds me, I need my second shingles shot...

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by 2LZ
That said, in my particular case, I'd much rather deal with some shot side-effects than getting Covid. The odds wouldn't have been in my favor.

BS. My sister has an auto immune disease, and is very sick and immune suppresed... She got covid, and had a headache... It is not what they say it is.

That's fine. I'm glad your sister survived and had nothing more than a headache. A perfectly healthy, 52 year old friend of my brother's wasn't so lucky. Dead in two weeks.

Covid seems very unpredictable. Both my dr. and I felt I should get it. I'm glad I did.
If you don't want it, don't get it. Simple as that....

[Wild Dog]

Originally Posted by 2LZ
That said, in my particular case, I'd much rather deal with some shot side-effects than getting Covid. The odds wouldn't have been in my favor.

That's fine. I'm glad your sister survived and had nothing more than a headache. A perfectly healthy, 52 year old friend of my brother's wasn't so lucky. Dead in two weeks.

Covid seems very unpredictable. Both my dr. and I both felt I should get it. I'm glad I did.
If you don't want it, don't get it. Simple as that....


It's extremly unpredictable. I know very old people that survived and young people that did not.

Glad you got the shot.

[TxTaoRider]

This is nearly as exciting as an "oil" thread.

Personally, I'm in the "not really concerned" camp. In a few months when they're giving shots away at CVS, I'll probably go get one.

[JerryHawk250]

Yes guys, please don't let this get out of hand. :ohno:

[culcune]

I caught COVID and got the vaccine. My side effects from the first dose of the vaccine lasted a full day, and my second dose came with no side effects. Not sure why I am still wearing my mask, but I guess I have to be a team player at work in spite of my co-workers being anti-mask and anti-vaccine, not to mention when we were all in the same office, they started catching the disease one by one and eventually gave it to me (thanks, a$%&oles! :lmao:). Sadly, we did lose one of us in late May; he became sick in late April, and after two days of getting sicker and sicker, left work and never returned. We had no idea he had it since COVID had not hit Yuma for the most part at that point, but many Mexican people here often travel across the border to shop, visit relatives, etc. and this coworker was no exception. It was hitting across the Colorado River although Mexico was in denial at that time. After that, in June and July our numbers started rising exponentially, but no one at work, at least in my office, caught it until November. My son works at the prison with me as an officer, and he caught it in June, although he caught it going clubbing in Mexico, I am quite sure.

My only question is do we have to get the vaccine annually like the flu shot? All my coworkers swear against the flu shot (ALL of them insist they got sicker than the actual flu 'the one time they got it') and have for years, but they all catch the flu annually whereas I have not had it in 7 or 8 years. I will get the COVID shot annually and it will be a bonus to see my coworkers catching COVID again :lmao:

[wheelbender6]

On the second night, I caught a chill at bedtime. Then I was sweating (when I wasn't freezing) most of the night.
-The virus did that to me a lot back in August.

[cheesy]

It's been over 24 hours since getting poked. So far I've had about 30 seconds of queasiness that I could probably attribute to my grandsons' impressive fart in the car and I had about a half hour of extreme drowsiness late yesterday afternoon. Today, other than my arm feeling like a normal flu shot, nothing.

[turbodadd]

Fair points made. "Life is a crap shoot" is the best advice so far!

Everyone has their freedom to choose. I dont think less of you if you dissagree with me. My problem is when they try to force me to get it because of my employer, or what not.

As for my china motorcycles, heres a question. I am licensing them today, what do you guys pay for insurance?

Thanks guys!

[TheGriz]

I've had the first shot, I got the pfizer shot. No side effects what so ever. I go in for the second one next week. I'm definitely not a virus worrier and am not a pro-masker but, my wife is a doctor and is exposed regularly to people with it (although she does take precautions of course). I did it for her. I didn't really care either way but she really wanted me to get it so I decided to make the wife happy.

I guess I should also point out I have stage 4 cancer and am missing a kidney at the moment so one would think I would be worried, but I look at it as if it's my time to go, I'm outta here!

[Landsvw]

Fair points made. "Life is a crap shoot" is the best advice so far!

Everyone has their freedom to choose. I dont think less of you if you dissagree with me. My problem is when they try to force me to get it because of my employer, or what not.

As for my china motorcycles, heres a question. I am licensing them today, what do you guys pay for insurance?

Thanks guys!

I don’t have a china bike any more, but I do have one TTR225 street legal. I pay 99$ a year with Geico. And, if I add a bike it stays the same...

[2LZ]

I've had the first shot, I got the pfizer shot. No side effects what so ever. I go in for the second one next week. I'm definitely not a virus worrier and am not a pro-masker but, my wife is a doctor and is exposed regularly to people with it (although she does take precautions of course). I did it for her. I didn't really care either way but she really wanted me to get it so I decided to make the wife happy.

I guess I should also point out I have stage 4 cancer and am missing a kidney at the moment so one would think I would be worried, but I look at it as if it's my time to go, I'm outta here!
Yep, gotta keep Mrs. Griz happy. I kinda had the same thing on my end with Mrs. 2LZ.

[montanaoffroader]

Shot number 1 today (Pfizer), next in 3 weeks. After doing a bit of research I came to the conclusion that the benefits outweigh the possible risks.

I recovered from covid (twice), my brother-in-law did not. I guess I was lucky, no point in pushing it. The next time my number could be up.

I will take any advantage I can get. If it helps to keep me from spreading it to others, even better.

[cheesy]

Second poke today.
I already have people pestering me on when I'll be able to go to Puerto Rico and deal with brush fires there.

[A1R 250 bob]

There were quite a few diseases that were erradicated thanks to vaccines but now they are back thanks to anti vaxxers.

If more people is now reaching the 100s is due to medical R&D and Vaccines are very importa part of that R&D. Are there some side effects to some drugs and vaccines of course, but that's better than died at age 29 due common flu.

The Vaccines being used here are the Sputnik V, Oxford/ AstraZeneca, Sinopharm. I know a few that already got vaccined by them, only had mild fever.

Sadly, if you look at the history, you can not determine when vaccines were introduced with the exception of when they introduce live polio vaccines there was a spike in cases. The steady decline prior to vaccines is apparent. One of the obvious red flags is the inclusion of HL cancerous cervix cells in the polio vax. WTF?

No Vaccine Manufacturer can be sued so long as the present the "unavoidable side effects" in the insert. To have "informed consent" necessary for any medical treatment, you should have all the nasty possible things explained. Most that do this decide the risk outweighs any promoted benefits.

The new gene therapy vaccines are not even required to list unavoidable side effects because they have "emergency" usage. There is no long term information at all. You are a lab rat. You have no proof that the stab will do anything to prevent you from becoming infected or prevent you from spreading, or that you gain any proven immunity.

You still must wear an ineffective mask...

[Landsvw]

I respectfully disagree that masks don’t help. I teach school. Have for 19 years. I always get sick 2 or more times per school year. This year, we were one of the few districts in the USA to stay open. We continue to wear masks. I hate it. But, having said that, not once did I get sick. Got 2 Covid shots, Moderna, in March. But, those little rascals never did give me a cold or a flu! Water particle borne viruses can and are stopped by the masks. I’m pretty skeptical of the desk cleaning, but do it every class period. Certainly can’t hurt!

[2LZ]

Masks. Now that I'm vaccinated and marinated, as far as I'm concerned, my personal pandemic is over. I'm done. I played it for over a year, got my shot, it's all good.

If I go to a store who requests masks, I wear it. I don't go many places so that's fine. No big deal.
What irritates the hell out of me (especially here in CA), I get that group who are anti-vaxers....who still bitch at me about not wearing a mask out in public. They want me to wear a mask to protect them because they don't want to get their shots???? FU.... Personal responsibility pal..... I got my life back and you ain't steeling it be because you don't want to play.

[Merlin]

Sadly, if you look at the history, you can not determine when vaccines were introduced with the exception of when they introduce live polio vaccines there was a spike in cases. The steady decline prior to vaccines is apparent. One of the obvious red flags is the inclusion of HL cancerous cervix cells in the polio vax. WTF?

No Vaccine Manufacturer can be sued so long as the present the "unavoidable side effects" in the insert. To have "informed consent" necessary for any medical treatment, you should have all the nasty possible things explained. Most that do this decide the risk outweighs any promoted benefits.

The new gene therapy vaccines are not even required to list unavoidable side effects because they have "emergency" usage. There is no long term information at all. You are a lab rat. You have no proof that the stab will do anything to prevent you from becoming infected or prevent you from spreading, or that you gain any proven immunity.

You still must wear an ineffective mask...

I call BS.

[minimac]

I'll just throw this out there....

No one knows what the long term effects of getting the shot-whichever one- will do. Yes, they've been working on the vaccine for a very long time, but there are reasons why it hasn't been FDA approved, and still isn't. Some will take their chances getting the vaccine, I prefer to take my chances with (not getting) something that has a 99 point something % recovery rate. I had the bug, and even though I'm supposedly high risk, I recovered in two weeks(sick as a dog and ached all over) with no after effects.

Most countries have banned GMOs(genetically modified organisms) in their food. Why would anyone willingly turn themselves into a GMO without investigating the long term effects?
Just yesterday the J&J plant that was "subcontracted" to produce the vaccine for J&J was cited for cross contaminating vaccines, and filthy conditions. Over fifteen million doses had to be tossed-and that's just the ones they know about!
That's not to say I won't get the stab at some point, but right now-at least for me- there's still too much unknown.

[2LZ]

Like I always say, "I've been eating hot dogs my whole life and have no idea what's in them".
It's all personal choice, but we as a whole, need to reach herd immunity. That's done either by getting vaccinated, or getting sick. The choice was super-easy to me. With the health issues I deal with, the shot (I got the J&J), was the least of my worries. I got my life back and am free now to live it. I also refuse to live my life in fear, like some folks I know around my area. To them, it seems much easier to hide forever and steer clear of all they know and love. Not for me. To me, being with those I love was far more important than any possible shot risk. A case of Covid would have done me far worse, I'm sure.

[Magician16]

I had Pfizer shots in March. I had a little bit of soreness with both. My wife had Covid, and was in the hospital for 20 days. Several friends have had it, with one's wife being hospitalized, and 10 close relatives and/or significant others have had it. Two have had it twice, and both had pretty bad cases the second time.


My wife has had her first Pfizer, and is getting her second next week.

[wheelbender6]

I had the 2nd Moderna on Thursday. Sick in the bed Friday. I feel much better today.

[culcune]

Masks. Now that I'm vaccinated and marinated, as far as I'm concerned, my personal pandemic is over. I'm done. I played it for over a year, got my shot, it's all good.

If I go to a store who requests masks, I wear it. I don't go many places so that's fine. No big deal.
What irritates the hell out of me (especially here in CA), I get that group who are anti-vaxers....who still bitch at me about not wearing a mask out in public. They want me to wear a mask to protect them because they don't want to get their shots???? FU.... Personal responsibility pal..... I got my life back and you ain't steeling it be because you don't want to play.

What? I thought California was full of vaccine nazis?? I know you are in Northern California, so the mentality is a bit different, but I couldn't imagine people being so entitled they are demanding mask wearing just so THEY don't have to get a shot?

Before masks were 'required', back in February and into March 2020, and part of why I felt this was a plandemic (not a hoax), was the amount of comments under articles by seemingly random middle and older women who were getting adamant and even controlling in their demands that masks 'HAVE' to be worn (before the state and local requirements kicked in later in March). Now, I have survived this whole time, catching the virus and soon after getting both my shots, and we are STILL 'required' to be masked. I have played along, and my patience has been getting thinner and thinner. Over a year ago up to today, the argument has been similar if not the same--'vulnerable people are at risk, and I don't want to be at risk (the middle-age COVID psuedo-Karens demanding masks since comments last year)'

I know that corporate America as 'forced' me into wearing a mask in order to shop and whatnot, but my argument has been the same--stay at home and get deliveries. Shelter yourself if YOU feel so vulnerable and strongly about not catching it. Get your vaccine ASAP!

Rant over--and just to make a point, I am actually considering wearing a mask indefinitely into the future when this has blown over. I want to be in one of those viral videos where I get kicked out of a store because I refuse to REMOVE my mask :lmao:

But, considering there are militant anti-vaxxers demanding masks be worn for THEIR sake makes me want to shed mine and burn my masks in a bonfire...

[Landsvw]

I love me some MSG on my GMO butter-injected turkey and mystery meat scrap hotdogs. Not to mention caged eggs and a side order of those red pistachios... and a Mountain Dew. I should be able to live to 100 at this rate...

[2LZ]

What? I thought California was full of vaccine nazis?? I know you are in Northern California, so the mentality is a bit different, but I couldn't imagine people being so entitled they are demanding mask wearing just so THEY don't have to get a shot?

Before masks were 'required', back in February and into March 2020, and part of why I felt this was a plandemic (not a hoax), was the amount of comments under articles by seemingly random middle and older women who were getting adamant and even controlling in their demands that masks 'HAVE' to be worn (before the state and local requirements kicked in later in March). Now, I have survived this whole time, catching the virus and soon after getting both my shots, and we are STILL 'required' to be masked. I have played along, and my patience has been getting thinner and thinner. Over a year ago up to today, the argument has been similar if not the same--'vulnerable people are at risk, and I don't want to be at risk (the middle-age COVID psuedo-Karens demanding masks since comments last year)'

I know that corporate America as 'forced' me into wearing a mask in order to shop and whatnot, but my argument has been the same--stay at home and get deliveries. Shelter yourself if YOU feel so vulnerable and strongly about not catching it. Get your vaccine ASAP!

Rant over--and just to make a point, I am actually considering wearing a mask indefinitely into the future when this has blown over. I want to be in one of those viral videos where I get kicked out of a store because I refuse to REMOVE my mask :lmao:

But, considering there are militant anti-vaxxers demanding masks be worn for THEIR sake makes me want to shed mine and burn my masks in a bonfire...
Boy....I'm glad I'm not dating now. Getting to know someone in a mask would be like "What's behind Door #3", when it finally comes off.

[Landsvw]

You’d have to ask questions like you got all your original teeth? No, I mean YOUR teeth, not store bought. Etc.

[2LZ]

You’d have to ask questions like you got all your original teeth? No, I mean YOUR teeth, not store bought. Etc.
The only dead-giveaway in a couple towns around my area would be if she carried a spit cup and had a large ring in her back pocket.

[Sir kayakalot]

Got my first round of the Moderna vaccine. Get the second shot on the 20th. Stay safe whatever you decide

[Mudflap]

I'll be getting the Pfizer vaccine Friday at a sports stadium drive through. Believe it or not, with the exception of my house I haven't been inside a building since February 2020. I order groceries online and they are loaded in my trunk at the store without having to get out of the car. Lots of Amazon and eBay orders. This works so well that I'll continue with it after the pandemic is over.

[Bruces]

I am getting my first shot at 10:30 this morning ,next one in August .

[tknj99]

For me 2 movies keep coming to mind.. The Planet of the Apes (Mark Wahlberg version) and I Am Legend.. but that's just me probably spending too much time watching movies lol

[Sir kayakalot]

I am getting my first shot at 10:30 this morning ,next one in August .

Why so far apart between shots? I thought it was supposed to be 4 weeks

[Bruces]

Why so far apart between shots? I thought it was supposed to be 4 weeks

I am in Canada and we have had a hard time getting vaccines ,so they have decided to spread the two doses out .

[Sir kayakalot]

That’s pretty wild. Good on you for getting it. I’m gonna have to do some more research on the vaccine apparently. I thought there was a window in between shot doses where it wasn’t as effective if it was spread out too far. Keep us posted

[david3921]

I got both of my shots at Walgreens a mile from my house. Scheduled it all on line and got the shots pretty close to the time (10:30, Sunday mornings) I was scheduled for. Very little waiting. Sore spot on my arm for a day or so both times. I got a little tired last Monday after my second shot on Sunday but that was it. So far, so good.

[A1R 250 bob]

I respectfully disagree that masks don’t help. I teach school. Have for 19 years. I always get sick 2 or more times per school year. This year, we were one of the few districts in the USA to stay open. We continue to wear masks. I hate it. But, having said that, not once did I get sick. Got 2 Covid shots, Moderna, in March. But, those little rascals never did give me a cold or a flu! Water particle borne viruses can and are stopped by the masks. I’m pretty skeptical of the desk cleaning, but do it every class period. Certainly can’t hurt!

You really need to speak with an industrial hygienist. These are the people who tell doctors what and how to use safety equipment. They will scoff at your belief because the real science, where the equipment means life or death, shows that N95's are totally useless against a bio aerosol. The virus does not spread through droplets, it is exhaled with every breath and can float for up to 40 minutes in still air.

An interesting fact about your immune system, if it is shut down you show no symptoms. Illness is the effect from your immune fighting the disease.

I truly wish you the best of luck.

[Landsvw]

You really need to speak with an industrial hygienist. These are the people who tell doctors what and how to use safety equipment. They will scoff at your belief because the real science, where the equipment means life or death, shows that N95's are totally useless against a bio aerosol. The virus does not spread through droplets, it is exhaled with every breath and can float for up to 40 minutes in still air.

An interesting fact about your immune system, if it is shut down you show no symptoms. Illness is the effect from your immune fighting the disease.

I truly wish you the best of luck.

https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask

“N95... ... certified by the NIOSH” can filter... ...95 percent of airborne particles...”

[Landsvw]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/covid-19-masks-faqs-how-can-cloth-stop-a-tiny-virus-whats-the-best-fabric-do-they-protect-the-wearer-146822

Just a few articles that are saying yes the mask is helping. Not perfect, but helping. I remember the movie “Strange Brew” (which was actually Hamlet, lol), when the brakes failed on their van Bob said, well, might as well quit steering too... hahah and they drove into the bay. We can’t quit steering just because the brakes have failed.

Hey, you all have a great day too!

L

[A1R 250 bob]

https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask

“N95... ... certified by the NIOSH” can filter... ...95 percent of airborne particles...”

Proper fitment is important. If you fog your glasses, you fail, if you have facial hair, you fail. If your eyes are exposed, you fail. Further, the partial size allowed through the mask causes the virus about the same resistance you would have walking through a 100 foot by 100 foot opening. (That was a scale analogy). Learn nano vs micron scale. If you believe that the masks are useful, you are sadly and totally deluded. Can't blame you, all you hear is stop the virus wear a mask and that advice is total insanity.

The real reason for the mandatory mask wearing is to keep up the fear, see who is compliant and enforce hardship.

I really do wish you luck.

[Landsvw]

“Can't blame you, all you hear is stop the virus wear a mask and that advice is total insanity.”

Hmm, no, not insanity. Insanity would be running around and breathing and spitting on each other, lol. I say it’s a method (not the only method) to help, and, it’s not perfect. Said that a few times. And, I have my 2 shots so I don’t have much, if any, fear, either. Got a lot of friends who’ve been sick even as of last week (several almost died), and they are conservative too, but now are believers in the virus... it’s out there, and as a good citizen, I will wear a mask (only an inconvenience, and the opposite of a death sentence) and already got the shots, so let’s keep that up and beat this thing. India is in a world of hurt. So are some South American countries. We were slow to the party, but have caught up and seem to be on the right path.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled channel... no more virus talk! Motorcycles unite! Lol!

L

[A1R 250 bob]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/covid-19-masks-faqs-how-can-cloth-stop-a-tiny-virus-whats-the-best-fabric-do-they-protect-the-wearer-146822

Just a few articles that are saying yes the mask is helping. Not perfect, but helping. I remember the movie “Strange Brew” (which was actually Hamlet, lol), when the brakes failed on their van Bob said, well, might as well quit steering too... hahah and they drove into the bay. We can’t quit steering just because the brakes have failed.

Hey, you all have a great day too!

L

Many don't know that during the Spanish Flu epidemic, masks were required in some places and there were anti mask rallies to protest. Interestingly enough Fauci "coauthored" a paper that found that most of the Spanish Flu death was because of bacterial pneumonia and not influenza.

Bacteria likes warm, moist, dark places and they also thrive in higher CO2 concentrations... But Fauci did not conclude that masks were a problem.

I also recently found out that just prior to the Spanish flu killing millions, there was a mass vaccination in order to head off the disease the boys were bringing back from their post deployment in Europe at the end of WWI.

Makes you wonder.

Mask wearing is dangerous especially if not changed often, like every 20 or so minutes, to keep the bacteria down. The drop in oxygen is unhealthy because your organs and brain can be damaged with long term oxygen deprivation.

Therefore: The masks are NOT helping even the slightest little bit.

[Landsvw]

Lol, well, we will have to agree to disagree... motorcycles unite!

L

[A1R 250 bob]

“Can't blame you, all you hear is stop the virus wear a mask and that advice is total insanity.”

Hmm, no, not insanity. Insanity would be running around and breathing and spitting on each other, lol. I say it’s a method (not the only method) to help, and, it’s not perfect. Said that a few times. And, I have my 2 shots so I don’t have much, if any, fear, either. Got a lot of friends who’ve been sick even as of last week (several almost died), and they are conservative too, but now are believers in the virus... it’s out there, and as a good citizen, I will wear a mask (only an inconvenience, and the opposite of a death sentence) and already got the shots, so let’s keep that up and beat this thing. India is in a world of hurt. So are some South American countries. We were slow to the party, but have caught up and seem to be on the right path.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled channel... no more virus talk! Motorcycles unite! Lol!

L

Sorry, can't let that slip by.

Wearing the mask may be helpful in stopping drool but has absolutely no effect on a virus, a bio aerosol, really I am not fibbing. The transmission is through the air and because it is so very tiny, it can waft about for upwards of 40 minutes and is refreshed with every exhale. If the room has HVAC system running it continues to circulate. Masks are useless and may actually cause people with weakened immune systems death (see Fauci's 2007 paper on Spanish Flu).

For heaven's sake, look up class 4 hazmat suits like virologist wear. That is what you need if you fear a disease so deadly that you must be tested to see if you have it and has a 99%+ recovery rate.

As far as the increased death rate, it isn't there. More died (total) in 2019 than 2020. Death from flu, guns shots, heart attacks and motorcycle deaths were magically changed to covid related. People with any underlying cause were dropped into the same bucket.

I truly wish you luck and hope your vaccine lot number won't cause you problems. I can guess why you would choose to become a part of an experiment, but I can see absolutely no reason for it. At minimum you have traded a less than 1% chance of death for a 20% to 30% chance of dangerous side effects, including death. There is absolutely no liability for the manufacturer if this harms you. There are no long term studies. There is no FDA approval. This product is allowed under emergency experimental status. The Pfizer is a bit of gene therapy that has never been tried, until now.

Safe and effective are marketing slogans and mean nothing, like "natural".


Good luck, ride em if you got em.

[Landsvw]

Again, agree to disagree?
:)

[wheelbender6]

Things have really loosened up in the office. We still take our temp and sign in, but employees are no longer wearing masks indoors.
-We also had our first departmental happy hour in over a year. It was held in an outdoor biergarten.
-Ironically, the Chancellor of Germany recently announced that Oktoberfest will not be held in 2021. I don't know if they are having trouble getting the vaccine or some other reason for so much caution this fall.

[A1R 250 bob]

I call BS.

BS based on what?

I feel sorry for you as your ability to research and refute is amazingly lacking and reminiscent of grade school playground debate tactics.

Google: "vaccine charts showing disease decline before introduction" for an historic perspective. All the charts show a marked decline that is fails to show any noticeable period when vaccines were introduced with the exception of when Salk introduced his live vaccine there was a spike...

Then Google: "The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 (42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34) was signed into law by United States President Ronald Reagan as part of a larger health bill on November 14, 1986."

"The VICP protects the pharmaceutical company from liability related to vaccines. If someone suffers from a vaccine injury, they can't bring a lawsuit against the manufacturer. Instead, they must make a claim to the government, and then, they may receive compensation through this program."


The latest vaccines are experimental. "Vaccines that receive EUA are considered experimental until the FDA formally approves it."

"About Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs)
The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) authority allows FDA to help strengthen the nation’s public health protections against chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) threats including infectious diseases, by facilitating the availability and use of medical countermeasures (MCMs) needed during public health emergencies."

All the current covid "vaccines" are EUA's and none are FDA approved.

Use a simple Google search. Prove me wrong, or go on pretending that facts are unimportant when compared to your unfounded beliefs.

[A1R 250 bob]

Again, agree to disagree?
:)

One may disagree whenever, but I have presented facts. This is not my opinion, facts are what is. To disagree with facts presents a vulnerability to be swayed by belief exclusively. This mindset is what allows religion to create situations like the Jonestown Massacre.

Lets agree not to drink the Kool-Aid.

[Landsvw]

One may disagree whenever, but I have presented facts. This is not my opinion, facts are what is. To disagree with facts presents a vulnerability to be swayed by belief exclusively. This mindset is what allows religion to create situations like the Jonestown Massacre.

Lets agree not to drink the Kool-Aid.


I’ll just say, agree to disagree. Leave it at that. Peace!

[Mudflap]

I got the Pfizer vaccine yesterday at the drive through. The shootist was an excellent marksman so I didn't feel the jab. He warned me about arm pain and the possibility of feeling sick for a couple days but I had no adverse effects at all. 3 weeks until the 2nd shot.

[A1R 250 bob]

I’ll just say, agree to disagree. Leave it at that. Peace!

Sure, you go on and enjoy your Kool-Aid there buddy. I truly wish for your survival.

Good luck!

[Landsvw]

;)

No worries!

[cheesy]

Mrs. C had to postpone her second jab for a few days because of her allergies. The pollen just made a mess of her last week.

She got her jab on Monday and had two days of side effects; chills, nausea, muscle aches. On the other hand, Mrs. C is somewhat of a hypochondriac and self diagnosis herself, which makes everything worse than it is.

[Landsvw]

Good article in the NY Times has us at over 60% adults vaccinated and the virus in retreat! Keep up the good effort USA. Back to normal hopefully soon. Pray for India.

Have a great Friday all!

Vroom vroom! (Or ring ding ding ding for those 2 smokers)

[Landsvw]

Mrs. C had to postpone her second jab for a few days because of her allergies. The pollen just made a mess of her last week.

She got her jab on Monday and had two days of side effects; chills, nausea, muscle aches. On the other hand, Mrs. C is somewhat of a hypochondriac and self diagnosis herself, which makes everything worse than it is.

My Mrs. got her shot yesterday. No ill effects so far except, jumping in and out of her cousins giant truck made her pull a rib when they went to the clinic… Ouch! Johnson and Johnson. Was a little worried about it as she has Lupus so will continue to monitor. But so far so good!

[DoomHead]

If anyone comes at me with that "vaccine" (which it's not. It's an mRNA gene manipulator, and does not fit the definition of a vaccine) I'll consider it attempted assault and will respond accordingly. I'm 42, and haven't worn a mask not once. I don't even own a mask. I'm not going to be a guinea pig for a rush and untested vaccine that isn't even FDA approved. I'm not an anti vaxxer. I've had all the tested and important vaccines. I don't need this "vaxxine" for a corona virus (cold...that's exactly what a corona virus is) that has a 99.76% survival rate.

If anyone wants to get it, good for you. Your life, your business.

[Mudflap]

If anyone comes at me with that "vaccine" (which it's not. It's an mRNA gene manipulator, and does not fit the definition of a vaccine) I'll consider it attempted assault and will respond accordingly. I'm 42, and haven't worn a mask not once. I don't even own a mask. I'm not going to be a guinea pig for a rush and untested vaccine that isn't even FDA approved. I'm not an anti vaxxer. I've had all the tested and important vaccines. I don't need this "vaxxine" for a corona virus (cold...that's exactly what a corona virus is) that has a 99.76% survival rate.

If anyone wants to get it, good for you. Your life, your business.

Is someone trying to force you to get vaccinated? It's voluntary here in Oregon. Speaking for myself I am very glad to be vaccinated, and I'm still non magnetic!

[Mudflap]

I've been reading a few articles this morning about super tasters and covid. Google it if you're interested.
My daughter brought home some super tasters test strips when she was in grade school. She couldn't taste it but I sure could. The taste stayed with me for hours. Guess that's why I find broccoli to be repulsive.

[Landsvw]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/17/opinion/india-covid-ganges.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

This is sad and awful. Use the reader view in Safari to see the article if it won’t open…

[wheelbender6]

My company ran us out of the building at noon today and told us to work from home until after the holiday.
-We had a few employees on my floor test positive for covid over the weekend. Neither felt real bad. They thought they were having routine allergy symptoms.
-Lately, if you sneeze or cough more than a few times at the office, they send you home to get tested anyway.

[Landsvw]

We have tons of Covid in our county and are definitely on masks and reduced interaction. Friends and family have it or had it. All the ones I know personally are ok so far. Our schools are staying open, locally but we all are wearing masks. My self and wife and immediate family got the shot so, hopefully can stay as safe as possible?

Anyway, it’s a sucky thing.

A motorcycle buddy of mine has it right now and says body aches, fever and headache are the worst he’s ever had.

Our local Hospitals are full. It’s nuts.

A lady from our high school died from it 2 weeks ago, so the high school has a delayed opening.

No motorcycle updates except a deal for a Honda XL250 is still on but might be a few weeks due to all this and Labor Day weekend etc.

No Chinese bikes in my future. I keep toying with the idea, but I think will just keep messing about with the big 4 Japanese manufacturers and go with used.

Prayer and positive thoughts continue for all.

[XLsior]

After the Swedish H1n1 pandermix vaccine narcolepsy issues...Perhaps a reason Sweden did not go down a lockdown rushed vaccine c19 response.

The studies and information coming out of Israel.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ends-debate-israeli-study-shows-natural-immunity-13x-more-effective-vaccines-stopping

Eric Clapton's vaccine reactions...

And then general Big Pharma/Pfizer tack record.

I Will not be taking the MRNA jab or infinite boosters.

The Social/Political control measures here in Australia are on the verge of Authoritarian. Freedoms are being used as leverage.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety". Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

[2LZ]

Got the J&J shot March 11 and will be first in line for the booster as soon as it comes out. Just lost a buddy to Covid on Monday. He went quick. That said, all of us are either old, have pre-existing issues, or both.

[culcune]

Got the J&J shot March 11 and will be first in line for the booster as soon as it comes out. Just lost a buddy to Covid on Monday. He went quick. That said, all of us are either old, have pre-existing issues, or both.
Sorry to hear about that

[stewbrash]

Sorry to hear about that

I also got the J@J back in March...feel bad for others!

[2LZ]

Sorry to hear about that
Yep. Raider Dave. Saw him every evening. He was one of the Bench Buzzards. Damn shame. We will be helping his wife get everything in order once she surfaces.

[Falkon45]

Sorry for the loss of your friend.

[Wisemanimal]

I got my 2nd Moderna shot 3/26. Only side effect was sore arm & shoulder for about 36 hours. The Shingrex (shingles) vaxx has a more pronounced and longer duration of arm pain, in my case about 72 hours. And the injection site burned for about 3 minutes.

Well worth the minor inconvenience.

[quadz]

Just wanted to remind everyone that no one should seek or take medical advice from strangers on the internet, no matter what side you're on. You can of course discuss and make your opinions known if you choose to do so. The Admin & Mod team here are not in the business of deciding which info is right or wrong. Do your own research and decide for yourself.

And as always, please keep it civil and respectful.

Thanks guys! :tup:

[Landsvw]

I got my 2nd Moderna shot 3/26. Only side effect was sore arm & shoulder for about 36 hours. The Shingrex (shingles) vaxx has a more pronounced and longer duration of arm pain, in my case about 72 hours. And the injection site burned for about 3 minutes.

Well worth the minor inconvenience.

I had the same experience. Both Moderna were a breeze (maybe a slight fever for an hour or two with the second one) but the 2nd Shingles made me sick for a day. On the other hand, my wife got shingles once and was in the hospital for several days so, I’m ok with the effects of the shots, for sure!

[Wisemanimal]

Having worked as a Nursing Assistant through the 90's, I saw cases of Shingles ranging from a mild red rash, up to severe cases with suppurating red blisters covering significant areas of the patients body. These were accompanied by severe pain, in some cases requiring narcotic painkillers.

That's why as soon as I was eligible, I requested it. Pro tip: Don't get two vaccines in the same arm, on the same day. On Feb. 6th, I got my Flu shot on the same day and the double barreled assault on my immune system was not pleasant. I felt like crap and my right arm and shoulder were very sore, with limited range of motion for 3 solid days, then started to abate.

Oh well, still worth it!

[Landsvw]

Good article.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/moderna-vs-pfizer-both-knockouts-but-one-seems-to-have-the-edge/

So far, have avoided the Covid Virus, well, like the plague! Hehehehe

Stay well all you throttle twisters!