Must have for all owners (Diagnostic capability)

[Chris_Top_Her]

I keep having to recommend this in various places, so I will put everything here.

If you own a Chinese motorcycle with a delphi ECU, it is in your best interest to have the agility to at least pull codes, and monitor parameters when trying to trouble shoot problems. Really, it's helpful for any vehicle as a diagnostics fee might cost you 100USD. Links are just what I have, these parts can also be found on ebay etc.

The connector is for the Delphi 6 pin connector ECU (to interface a Delphi mt05.x ECU).

You will need the 6 pin cable to interface into the ECU, which has a female OBD2 connector on the other side. ~10USD

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001723887451.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c 4dr1OPeG
https://www.chinariders.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=25531&stc=1&d=1630806501

You will need an openport adapter. Genuine Tactrix or Chinese knockoff.
Genuine ~170USD new
Knock off ~30USD
- Ask around for knock off. I don't know of a good source, because I have a genuine (used it for tuning my car) but they cost about $30.

https://www.tactrix.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&product_id=17&vmcchk=1&Itemid=53&redirected=1&Itemid=53

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And last but not least, you will need ECU HUD Hacker which you can load onto a windows laptop (which can be had cheap on ebay if you don't have one). It is "sharityware", which means it's free to download but the author requests you donate to a GMO or something (this is a honor system, it requires no verification or anything). It is easy to use and can pull codes, clear codes (some codes, others require unplugging the ecu to clear). Also, you can use this to ECU tune as well.

https://netcult.ch/elmue/HUD%20ECU%20Hacker/

[Chris_Top_Her]

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[Boatguy]

Thanks for this. I’ve been meaning to get around to getting one of three things for my evinrude etec outboards.

Any idea if it’s the same? I see you use it on your car.

[Chris_Top_Her]

Thanks for this. I’ve been meaning to get around to getting one of three things for my evinrude etec outboards.

Any idea if it’s the same? I see you use it on your car.

The openport is for any OBD2 connector vehicle. If your outboards have an obd2 port yes, if not I don't know. You would need to igure out what typeof ecu they use and find an appropriate interface. In the motorcycle case you have to use an adapter to interface the openport.

[Bob Kelly]

Boy finding that connector on Alieexpress.com is a tough one, i could not find it
it just dumps you into shopping
do you know of any other source for the connector cable ?
I have the wireless OBD2 thing but haven't tried to hook it up yet... seems like your saying I need an adapter to do that ???? that would figure !
this fuel injection stuff is all new to me I'm used to carbs ! HAHAHA !
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Bob......

[Bob Kelly]

I have tried several times to find a way to make the link work for the recommended plug
however I cannot find that plug on the ali-whatchallit site it just keeps dumping me to their home page and advertisements
does anyone know where I can get that plug ? I have a Wifi OBD2 unit and a few down loaded things/programs but how in the world am I supposed to make this work ?
more help would be greatly appreciated !
Bob....

[JFOlivier]

In the ECU hacker information they list a VAG KKL interface to to a HSB plug which I purchased from Amazon for about $17 and also the female 16 pin plug to fit the VAG with just open wires on the other end. You have to fit the plug that connects to the bikes diagnostic plug and the plug information is given for the Delphi ECU in ECU Hacker, The Lifan plug is different so I fitted a 4 way plug to the cable and to the wires of the Lifan diagnostic cables, I have tested this and it works fine on ECU hacker although I have gone no further with it yet.

[pyoungbl]

A couple years ago we had an inmate who lived in China and was able to source stuff there for the RX3...and now probably the RX4. He sold me a diagnostic tool, basically an OBD reader, that was designed to work directly with the RX ECU. I have not seen any posts from Tako in a few years...went by NZLathe...but if he can snag more of those tools it would be a good investment. The one I got is dead simple and provides information for each of the sensors. No, you cannot program the ECU with this tool, strictly diagnostic.

[Bob Kelly]

Humm.... thanks for the help anyway guys !
Bob.....

[Bob Kelly]

ok.... I ordered this today......

6 Pin OBD to OBD2 For Delphi Motorcycle Diagnostic Scanners Tool Adapter Cable

$12.13Unit price $12.13

Item number:133803275122
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found it on ebay....says it will be a month to get here ! AURGH !
it says it is for motorcycles with the delfi ignition so I am guessing this should work
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I have a wireless OBD2 reader already and a few pieces of software....but I'll have to install them on my kids laptop so it's portable to get to the bike in the back yard.
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any idea what parameters I need to change to make the bike run a tad richer than stock ????

Bob......

[Bob Kelly]

Another question for ya ....Any idea what happens to this bike when you take the battery out ? On my Honda Car (CRV) the radio quits working ! because of the anti-theft BS. they put in the radio ...and the Honda dealer can't fix it without taking the radio out ! so I have no radio just because I took out the battery !
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....will the bike revert back to it's initial settings and have to go through the "learning the environment " again ? I expect so.... but I don't know for sure....
Bob.....

[pyoungbl]

Bob, I'm pretty sure the OBD unit cannot change any ECU settings. Mine just reports what signals come into the ECU so you can find a bad sensor or loose connection.

[Bob Kelly]

Thank you Sir !
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So what am I misunderstanding here ? an OBD2 READER will tell you what the CPU is doing or what error code is present
Some OBD2 readers can read or send to the ECU and I believe I got one that could do both their just a few bucks more than the ones that can't send...at least I thought that is all it took......
....getting information about this stuff is like trying to open a clam with your fingers !
and if you don't know where to look for that information ...like ME .... your S.O.L.
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OBVIOUSLY i have no idea what I am doing here....how to check the ECU or anything about it....BUT I want to learn ! can someone please point me to a place where I can learn more about it ?
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Bob.......

[Magician16]

Another question for ya ....Any idea what happens to this bike when you take the battery out ? On my Honda Car (CRV) the radio quits working ! because of the anti-theft BS. they put in the radio ...and the Honda dealer can't fix it without taking the radio out ! so I have no radio just because I took out the battery !
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....will the bike revert back to it's initial settings and have to go through the "learning the environment " again ? I expect so.... but I don't know for sure....
Bob.....
If you bought the Honda new, you should have been given a code to get it to work again. My wife's is written in her manual.

[pyoungbl]

Another question for ya ....Any idea what happens to this bike when you take the battery out ?
....will the bike revert back to it's initial settings and have to go through the "learning the environment " again ? I expect so.... but I don't know for sure....
Bob.....

I have disconnected the battery a few times and never noticed any change to how the bike ran. Yes, had to reset the clock..nothing else.

[JFOlivier]

Lucas has posted some stuff on making some changes to his ECU and I think he also had an RX4 but he did this using ECU hacker which can handle the Delphi ECU's but unfortunately not the Lifan ECU's. If you look for ECU hacker it gives you all the information on the parts you need. I picked up a VAG KKL adaptor with aUSB plug on the other end from Amazon for about $14 if I remember correctly. So you plug the adapter you have into the Vag KKL which goes into your laptop computer and the other side of your adapter into your bikes ECU diagnostic 6 pin plug. and with ECU Hacker installed you can start to play.

[Bob Kelly]

Thanks JFOlivier ! I'll look for ECU Hacker !
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Bob

[Bob Kelly]

that was weird..... but I did get HUD ECU HACKER.EXE !!!!! it's what he calls Charity ware
meaning if you find it useful pay him something ! which is reasonable !
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here is a link.... the download is way down at the bottom
https://www.netcult.ch/elmue/HUD%20ECU%20Hacker/
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I finally managed it install it on this computer but that does me no good at all as this is a big stationary desktop computer !
looking at it I get the feeling I am way out of my legue ! but I have it showing no data as of yet.... I got it for the MT05 unit not sure if that is the correct one but I think so
and you can switch to other units by the drop down menu
it popped up a message and asked if I wanted to install the USB thing but I just closed the window.... the OBD2 unit I have is Wifi so I shouldn't need that, and of course it is not active till it is in use....
.... I should probably try to diagnose the '98 Honda CRV first as it should be easier to mess with and have more data on it .... but that probably won't work with the delfi-MTO5 setup I have loaded at the moment....
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but I did get HUD ECU HACKER !!!! that is a mile stone on my end.... I had to read about 30 pages of stuff to finally get to the bottom where there is a download button
which is totally strange. but what ever !
I just searched for HUD ECU HACKER PROGRAM and it pointed me to some unrelated site but it turned out to be the right one ! (thank god for smart search engines eh ? ) LOL
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in all the reading I did see the injector that is on the bike, so that is encouraging.
it seems he was battling a Brunelle or something like that...
and that there are files available, binary files that you can down load to flash the ECU
I did NOT see the RX4 in that list, but it did have the RX3.
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alot of the reading was about the connectors and stuff, seems he has left no stone unturned in his quest to make ECU Hacker.... he even covers F.I. Brigs and Stratton engines.... ( i didn't even know B&S made a F.I. Motor ! LOL)
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it is very obvious to me that you have to be real real careful when messing with the ECU
as the info you get is very criptic and you cannot/dare not change anything you don't know about ...you have to be positive !
which is very hard to do when the info you get is 3 letters long and a value
a road map would really be helpful.... back in my day in programming I used a book with every command listed for the language it looks like that is something we will need for hacking the ECU ! a road map of what letters mean what and what their stock value is..... ( but I suppose that could be saved into a file and read later...)
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now I gott'a see if I can get the laptop from my kid and install HUD ECU Hacker on it
and take it to the bike and see if I can get the thing to give me some numbers ! LOL
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at this point I just want to see it work and I don't want to hurt it !
and he said in several places it won't work unless you add power and a ground and stuff like that.... and I don't want to do that at all....but in all I have no idea what he was refuring to or why ..... it's all a blur and didn't make a whole lot of sense.
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this modern technology is strange to this old ranch mechanic ! HAHAHAHAH

Bob.....

[Bob Kelly]

Well, this is a good discovery.... I was playing with HUD ECU HACKER and found a list of what those 3 letters mean ! in the Data sheet ( a button on the control panel)
and found that I could play some files to see what it is supposed to look like which is cool !
this looks like a very robust program indeed but I do not know what you can change and what you cannot change yet....
I did see " Idle target spd" I hope you can change that because my bike is idling too fast for my liking it's close or over 2k RPM and I'ed like it more around 800RPM
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VERY interesting indeed !
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Bob.....

[Lukas]

The whole description of using this program is on this forum part of the operation is described by me, because I was the only one who changed the injection map look for and you will find and use only opentactix no obd will not work, because it is not original, and even if there was an original obd, you still will not change, before the map map costs 30 euros good luck. And I do not recommend contacting the creator of the program, because he is a German, that is, a Nazi, and any discussion with him is a waste of time he was able to insult even the people from Italy creating my injection map, while admitting that he does not know what tuning the map is about, but you know, that the Germans are morons and the war in Ukraine is their fault they could already graciously die pity that the bomb that was originally prepared by fall on Germany fell on Japan, but nothing lost maybe some bomb will still fall there before Germany crashes Europe greetings.

[Lukas]

Well, this is a good discovery.... I was playing with HUD ECU HACKER and found a list of what those 3 letters mean ! in the Data sheet ( a button on the control panel)
and found that I could play some files to see what it is supposed to look like which is cool !
this looks like a very robust program indeed but I do not know what you can change and what you cannot change yet....
I did see " Idle target spd" I hope you can change that because my bike is idling too fast for my liking it's close or over 2k RPM and I'ed like it more around 800RPM
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VERY interesting indeed !
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Bob.....


The minimum idle is 1500 RPM factory idle is 1700 RPM below these values may start to shake the engine, because it is the 4th stroke which will cause the timing chain to jump the rest you can figure out.

[pyoungbl]

Hi Bob, let the engine idle at 1700 rpm. The factory set the idle there for a reason, probably to maintain oil pressure to the main bearings and rod bearings. When you dig into the ECU Hacker program your first step should be to save your existing ECU map so you always have that to fall back on. You are going to find that making changes to the map gets pretty complicated since there are numerous sensors making constant adjustments to the base map. Most tuners use a dyno so they can see how their changes work out across the rpm and load range. Good luck!

[Bob Kelly]

Wow Lucas ! not all Germans are bad ! LOL
.... I got thinking about this Wifi OBD2 reader I got.... i don't think it is going to help at all
and I think that is what you just said ! LOL....
so I need one more cable then from the connector to USB so I can plug it in to the laptop
.... I'm slowly getting there !
1700 RPM for the idle seems like alot to me but like you say Pyoungbl....they did that for a reason.....
.... My Triumph idles at 500~800 RPM but it's not fuel injected either !
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so.....one more cable to connect to the other cable and I'm in !
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YES saving a copy is a first and formost thing to do because You know I will screw it up ! LOL
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Lucas,.... let me see if I understand this right.... you paid $30 bucks for the already set up and tuned file from the Italian guys ? and then just flashed it onto your ECU and called it a day ? that sounds mighty convenient ! hehehehe !
was there much of a change on how the bike preformed afterward ?
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Bob........

[Lukas]

Wow Lucas ! not all Germans are bad ! LOL
.... I got thinking about this Wifi OBD2 reader I got.... i don't think it is going to help at all
and I think that is what you just said ! LOL....
so I need one more cable then from the connector to USB so I can plug it in to the laptop
.... I'm slowly getting there !
1700 RPM for the idle seems like alot to me but like you say Pyoungbl....they did that for a reason.....
.... My Triumph idles at 500~800 RPM but it's not fuel injected either !
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so.....one more cable to connect to the other cable and I'm in !
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YES saving a copy is a first and formost thing to do because You know I will screw it up ! LOL
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Lucas,.... let me see if I understand this right.... you paid $30 bucks for the already set up and tuned file from the Italian guys ? and then just flashed it onto your ECU and called it a day ? that sounds mighty convenient ! hehehehe !
was there much of a change on how the bike preformed afterward ?
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Bob........


Yes, you understood right $30 a long time ago I bought a gopro as I will have a moment to record how the motorcycle goes on such a map I saw a video of Charlie on youtube and he had a problem with going up the hill maybe such a map would be a solution for him.The change is that I rarely go above 6000rpm because it has power from below and so it smokes less and does less motoring hours

[Working_ZS]

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Lucas,.... let me see if I understand this right.... you paid $30 bucks for the already set up and tuned file from the Italian guys ? and then just flashed it onto your ECU and called it a day ? that sounds mighty convenient ! hehehehe !
was there much of a change on how the bike preformed afterward ?
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Bob........

Careful Bob, Lukas also has a big bore kit installed on his bike, if I recall correctly. You definitely do not want to flash a map for a modified RX3 onto the RX4's ECU.

[Lukas]

Careful Bob, Lukas also has a big bore kit installed on his bike, if I recall correctly. You definitely do not want to flash a map for a modified RX3 onto the RX4's ECU.


Big bore kit is a different matter because it was installed some time after the map change, but the map was originally changed to 249 capacity and the motorcycle has a fairly straight torque curve, which in the original map because of exhaust standards is very limited and the power was only between 6,000 RPM and 8,000 RPM which reduced the driving dynamics and that is one fact. and the second fact is that if Bob wanted to change the map so that the power was distributed as much as possible over the entire rpm range, he would still have to download his own map and send it because it contains a different algorithm, and this is also what I wrote in the posts and it has nothing to do with the fact that Bob can download the map and send it and not give a shit about exhaust standards.

[Bob Kelly]

Humm Interesting indeed ! I seriously doubt I will be sending my map to anyone to have them tweek it for me but that IS an option....
I mean I haven't even got to the point of seeing the information on the computer screen
from my bike yet.... but I am getting closer !
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I expect I will tweek a few things like "Idle target" which on my bike it's idling at just over 2000 RPM... but so many things inneract in that list that it is really hard to say which one does what.... but bringing it down a bit to under 2K RPM wouldn't hurt a thing.... is that nessissary ? no, is it vital , No way.... but to me it is anoying to have the idle so fast....
if I can ever get to the point to where I know what all those things do in that list I think that will be a big accomplishment ! .... having the plug burn a bit darker is one of my goals it makes me very uneasy to see a WHITE plug in use... Remember I came from a 2 stroke dirtbike background and you wouldn't even ride the bike if you found something like that ! ... yes 4 stroke bikes run leaner no doubt but that doesn't mean they have to run THAT lean... running that lean is hard on the parts in my view !!!!
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if I could get ahold of a 650cc big bore kit for the RX4 I'ed be really tempted to buy it but 40hp is enough for this old man !!!! but I've not seen any big bore kits for the RX4 yet....
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Bob......

[Bob Kelly]

Ok I ordered my adapter cable...should be here in a few days (14th)
so I should have 2 bases covered , 1) i can use the WIFI unit and not be tethered to the bike ....and 2) the USB cable adaptor , I will be tethered to the bike but that should work as well....
and I have the HUD ECU Hacker that I could not find for love nor money anywhere but finally stumbled on it and got it installed with no problems.... getting it on the laptop may not be as easy as that but we shall see....
I am NOT familiar with the lap top at all, it's my Kids laptop but I will commandeer it for this work.... HEHEHEHE !
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Bob.....

[JFOlivier]

Hey Bob, welcome to the 1940"s computer iliterates. Makes you want to tear your hair out, if you still have any left.
John

[Bob Kelly]

Yah I hear ya ! I've been into computer programming in my younger days but I got left in the dust so fast it was scary ! i went from GWbasic to Borland C then to C++ but when they went to Object oriented programming they lost me... I could not follow their logic to save my soul so I gave up and let the Kid do it ! HAHAHAHHA
Back in the day I was selling a program I made on the internet when that stuff first started ... then Microsoft started giving away a program with windows 7 that was far better than mine ! I was out gunned and out paced in one move !
so I am not a total dummy when it comes to computers but the programs now that is another story completely !
I still have problems doing a search on google for something and my crummy spelling doesn't help that at all ! HAHAHAHA
but I know how to access the RS232 port on my old comodore 128 because I made a Morse code program for it and it worked fantastically i could even copy RTTY if I wanted
but now days everything goes through windows and you can't get by windows even if you wanted to ! so i have become a USER now..... that erks me to say that but it is true
.... and with this OBD2 stuff I am happy to follow other footsteps to get what I want ....now !
Most technology that has sprung up in the last 30 odd years is just a new way of doing something old school but when they change the hardware to match that new way you must evolve or leave it alone ! and I'm not ready to leave motorcycles alone even if they ARE Fuel injected ! ( it's like Why would you do that to a motorcycle People !?!?!)
and I wound up buying one.... WHY ? I'm still not 100% positive on that ! HA !
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the thing is with these fuel injected bikes if you like the way it works your in like flynn
but if you don't there is only one way to change it..... LEARN the NEW STUFF !!!!
right now I'm just learning it so I know how to BEEF it UP in the future !
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I've never seen a bike that you couldn't improve the performance on.... these F.I things just make it a bit more tricky is all !
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Bob........

[Bob Kelly]

Humm.... Reading the Help section in HUD ECU Hacker... I found alot of bad things....
1) he says don't bother with ANY of the Chinese adaptors "none of them work" their all garbage!
2) you need to do an echo test to check to see if the adapter actually is working
don't think just because it put's stuff on the screen that it is right...
3) the adapters he recomends are hundreds of dollars !
4) 90% of the drivers will not work for the USB he uses only one that works....
5) the type of adapter matters alot, some of them ( the cheap ones (under $40.00)) convert back and forth instead of directly introducing errors along the way....
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Not only does it look like you have to be a computer WIZ just to get it to work but you have to diagnos it before you attempt to use it,,,just incase it doesn't work !
he said he tried several drivers to get his USB adapter to work with no luck they would work great on windows 7 but not on windows 10..... he said he has the windows 10 driver free to download i think.... ....
swapping in and out drivers is not my thing I am lucky to get a new keyboard to work !!! taking the chance of killing my computer to change a driver to something else is very risky to me ! .... easy for you ...not for me!
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needless to say I am very dissapointed in this not only did I buy the wrong "Garbage"
but I seriously doubt I can ever get it to work on the computer even if I buy the super expensive adapters.....
it's like what's the point ....
Bahhh humbug !
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Bob........

[Lukas]

Humm.... Reading the Help section in HUD ECU Hacker... I found alot of bad things....
1) he says don't bother with ANY of the Chinese adaptors "none of them work" their all garbage!
2) you need to do an echo test to check to see if the adapter actually is working
don't think just because it put's stuff on the screen that it is right...
3) the adapters he recomends are hundreds of dollars !
4) 90% of the drivers will not work for the USB he uses only one that works....
5) the type of adapter matters alot, some of them ( the cheap ones (under $40.00)) convert back and forth instead of directly introducing errors along the way....
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Not only does it look like you have to be a computer WIZ just to get it to work but you have to diagnos it before you attempt to use it,,,just incase it doesn't work !
he said he tried several drivers to get his USB adapter to work with no luck they would work great on windows 7 but not on windows 10..... he said he has the windows 10 driver free to download i think.... ....
swapping in and out drivers is not my thing I am lucky to get a new keyboard to work !!! taking the chance of killing my computer to change a driver to something else is very risky to me ! .... easy for you ...not for me!
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needless to say I am very dissapointed in this not only did I buy the wrong "Garbage"
but I seriously doubt I can ever get it to work on the computer even if I buy the super expensive adapters.....
it's like what's the point ....
Bahhh humbug !
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Bob........


it's not so bad you need taxtric open port 2.0 for $30 and you will be able to do what you want here a little tutorial


http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=29467&page=2

[Bob Kelly]

good info there Lukas thank you !
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Well with my Kids help I got HUD ECU HACKER installed on the laptop
and I think we got the right USB driver for the Forscan adapter should we use it...
all in all it looks like it's up and running but of course I will need to do a comparitor test
in order to see if it is actually working correctly or not.
I've complicated the issue here by quite a bit by adding the USB adaptor which I may well not even use, as I do have the OBD2 wifi adaptor thing I bought a while back
I mean why not use WIFI if I can, and not have to be connected via cable right ?!?!?
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but the laptop is running the files just like the desktop here so that is a good sign
.... I'm getting closer !
all this fiddling around took about 2 hrs because I don't know what I am doing
but with my Kids help we breezed through it fairly fast and it looks like I am ready to plug it in and see if it works.....
but I still need to do an echo test to make sure it is working like it should.... I can't forget that !!!!
..... (gott'a read up on how to do the Echo test again from HUD ECU HACKER help files)
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in my way of thinking I should be able to just go out there and plug it in and it should work...and I can down load a copy of the RX4's ECU....
once I get that secured I can play with it a bit I think...as I can always revert back to the original file ( in theory )
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Bob..........

[Lukas]

I did the echo test and it did not work, and I changed the map anyway, it must be good hardware like Taxtric open port, and all that, and the computer must be connected by cable not WIFI or Bluetooth, because it will break the connection and in I worse case it can damage the ECU, and no one wants that I will have to correct the map, because I did it on the capacity of 249cc, and now that I have 298cc you need to turn it up from 7000 RPM, because there is a little too little power in 6th gear at 125 Kmh wonder if Mauricio from Italy will give some discount on corrections in general, if you order a map from them, 1 correction is free, but I have already used it and I have a second map, but I am afraid to load it, because on this map the motorcycle, having 249 ran as if it had 300cc and I remember that it had a problem with going down from the revs, but it would have to be tested on the new capacity, I do not want to overdo it.

[Bob Kelly]

I'd be real reluctant to do anything if the Echo test failed (which I expect it will)
as the guy that made ECU Hacker says the cheaper connectors are ALL Garbage he had to go to the more expensive connectors just to get it to work...once he did he had no more problems.... the help files give alot of information on that stuff !
.... I was messing with ECU Hacker last night trying to find out how to turn down the Idle a bit and I came up blank I know you have a target idle speed but I don't know if just changing that will do the trick or not ..... you got any ideas on that ?
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Bob.......

[Lukas]

I'd be real reluctant to do anything if the Echo test failed (which I expect it will)
as the guy that made ECU Hacker says the cheaper connectors are ALL Garbage he had to go to the more expensive connectors just to get it to work...once he did he had no more problems.... the help files give alot of information on that stuff !
.... I was messing with ECU Hacker last night trying to find out how to turn down the Idle a bit and I came up blank I know you have a target idle speed but I don't know if just changing that will do the trick or not ..... you got any ideas on that ?
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Bob.......


In the dashboard section HEH you have "idle speed target" and there is an option to modify this parameter you have to click the icon in the form of a key, but I can't remember if changing this parameter will save permanently, if not then you have to make a patch and apply it to the injection map, that is, you have to download the injection map and upload it along with the patch.


piece of cake

[Bob Kelly]

Yah Right what ever you say ! HAHAHAH ! I just tried to hook it all up and the very first one to plug into the bike is the wrong plug ! and it is supposed to be for delfi too !
from now on I look at the pictures ! the plug on my bike has 6 round holes not 6 blades !
GRRRRR !
.... but I did get the computer to recognize the other half of the cable I think, it finally worked.... it said it was connected anyway.... .
I'll probably have $150.00 tied up in cables alone at this rate ! LOL....
oh well back to the drawing board !
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Bob.......

[Bob Kelly]

Any idea where I might find a plug in adaptor for my 2021 RX4 they seem to have a plug on the bike that NO ONE uses at all !!! the plug is a 6 round pin the type where the spring loaded plugs cover the holes to keep out moisture they just slide in when you insert the plug ( you used to see them alot on trailer hitches) i looked for 2 hrs on the web to find
one that looks like it will fit but none are the round type in a rectangle can...
i thought i found one for a KTM but it is exactly as the one I bought that was supposed to work ( just like the photo at the begining of this thread) but my bike does NOT have that plug...... any sujestions guys ???
...how can I re wire the plug if I have no idea where the wires go ?
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I asked CSC if they had a plug but we all know what they will say.... "Sorry we don't sell that item" which means if I want to do diagnostics on my bike I have to re wire the plug to one that will fit it !!!
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Bob........

[Lukas]

Do a foto and post i must see but it should be " furukawa 6 pin"

[Bob Kelly]

Thanks Lukas....but I figured it out.... last night it was dark out there and I couldn't see the plug very well.....took the seat off again a bit ago and looked at the plug and after studying it for a bit I could see that there was a CAP on the plug it self..... like DUH !!!!...:doh:
...i took off that cap and what do you know, it's the male end of the adapter cable I got....( that I thought was wrong...) and it plugs right into the plug in like it is supposed to ! (imagen that !)
anyway after fighting the laptop to get it to work which it finally did, we hooked it up and i started the bike and switched to that screen and it showed everything like it should... no errors or anything
....I then tried to down load a copy of the ECU but ran into a snag it said to unplug the ECU to make a fresh copy.... I did, and then it wouldn't down load anything ( obviously as it was unplugged, but that is what it said to do! )
it was near impossible to see the screen of the laptop with the sun's glare
so I decided to give it a rest.
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BUT SUCCESS IT ACTUALLY WORKS ! now it's trying to figure out the program, how to down load a copy of the ECU and where it will put it on the computer and finding it again....and then seeing if I can change a parameter of something and flash it onto the bike and see if it actually changes it !
.... then it will be a long slow struggle to understand what everything does in that little ECU.....
....on my 2021 RX4 it has a MT05 ECU not the MT05 2.5 it says on it definitely MT05 and nothing more...
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I would like to copy a file of it Running like the example files that are on the HUD ECU HACKER.... that way I could study it better late at night when everyone else is asleep and I'm awake (like normal)
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have you ever done that Lukas ?????
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I think for all intents and purposes having the bike in the shop is going to be alot better than out in the yard so I'll probably move it back into the shop soon....

:yay:

Success ! that was a hard won battle ! LOL
.... but I can see my bike running on the computer now ! that is progress !
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Bob.......

[Bob Kelly]

been studying HUD ECU Hacker and trying my darndest to understand how to do things with it and it ain't easy ! I have been trying to figure out how to down load the Contents of my ECU so I have a backup and so far I have drawn a blank. ( yes I've read the help files on doing that several times and in the end it just goes in one ear and out the other!)
It looks like you can change the file name easily enough... and then just push the down load button and it does it.... it obviously won't do that unless your all hooked up and the key is on and your connected.... but I think it's that simple and it will put it in the flash directory under the programs location on the HD.
I think if you do that before you start the motor you won't get the message "unplug it"
I'm not sure about that though !
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the big problem I am having now is changing a parameter and every time I've tried to do that it says you have to have a calibration thing loaded I try to load a calibration thing and then it goes away and when I try again it gives me the same warning
I don't know if it will do that with the thing all hooked up or not but from what I've discovered that most of this program works when it's not hooked up but some of it doesn't.... so you can't figure it out beforehand....you have to figure it out when it's all hooked up ..... I THINK !?!?!?!
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another problem I've ran into is loosing where the "Idle target" is at... it seems to be located at different places on different machines....
but I don't want to leave my bike idling for 2 hrs while I look for stuff on the computer
that just doesn't make sense !
so what I need to do is make a copy of the ECU and see if I can look at it, "off line "so to speak.... i should be able to although that may only work if I make a recording of the engine running and play it back later I don't know....
any hints would be appreciated !
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Bob.......