400R Dirt Bike/Enduro

[madbare]

http://www.wlie.cn/show_imgnews.asp?id=1223

You guys see this bike? It has EPA and is a 400cc liquid cooled bike. I like the looks. I have sent off to see what pricing is.

[ChiGongJitsu]

that bike's been mentioned a few times here before, nobody seems to know much info about it, it basically comes down to how much it costs?

i'm interested to see what price they quote you...

[alonzo]

I checked out the pic from what I can see of it china lifan appears to have a similer 400 on their website dont look on the AL site it wont be there:(.

[katoranger]

That one looks better than the one we saw about 6 months ago.

Liquid cooled and a full frame.

Allen

[TeamCheap]

If the price is right I might pick one up.

[madbare]

I'll let you know what I find out. I have an importer that I have worked with in the past importing tractors, implements, trail bikes and log splitters and if the price is right maybe I can get him to do a pre-order and we can do a group buy or something. :D

[lego1970]

I'd like that bike real well if they can keep it under $2100.00 in the crate.

[TeamCheap]

Price is almost as important to me as being able to get it streetable.

Without the proper paperwork to get it on the road it will be useless to me as well as most everyone else.

I'd bet the price is going to be close to or over 3K and at that point I wouldnt look twice at it but we'll just have to wait and see. :wink:

[shakembakem]

count me in if it can be made street legal in the states :D

[bex]

I think I would be down for one of these myself! Looks like a solid bike. Nice styling too.

[TeamCheap]

Actually it looks like more of the same to me and if the price isnt right then I'll just get the drz400s if I havnt bought something else by then like the SV650 we seen last weekend.

Doubling the CC's doesnt equate to doubling the price, for me atleast and my hope is that they keep it reasonable..

[andzman]

Count me in. Why is it so had to find these bikes in the states. Is that even a real bike?????

[madbare]

Ok guys, you ready for this? Price quoted is $1805USD FOB. Let me do some more digging and figure out shipping cost and see if we can get this price lower, I am betting we can. Very interesting.... :twisted:

Ok guys, you ready for this? Price quoted is $1805USD FOB. Let me do some more digging and figure out shipping cost and see if we can get this price lower, I am betting we can. Very interesting.... :twisted:

1800.00 sounds good to me! 400cc,water cooled,nice exhaust. Looks better than a Q-Link...

[lego1970]

Thanks for the info. $1800 is a good price to me. Count me in although I got to reading the sales info on the bikes website and it looks like we need a dealer here in the states to buy a 20' container of these bikes. I'll e-mail Tim at V-bikes and let him know I'm interested in these bikes. He is completely out of stock on both the 200cc and 250cc enduros so maybe he could get a container of these 400cc bikes. Thanks for the info. I like a full frame bike. Don't care much for the inverted forks, rear wave rotor, and liquid cooling, but a new 400cc bike under $2000.00 is what I'm looking for.

P.S. Anybody notice the cooling hose wraping around the bottom part of the frame. One of us will have to figure out a way to rig some kind of protection plate just for that one hose:)

[madbare]

I'll try to talk to my importer friend and see what kind of deal he can get. He has an office in China and usually can get these guys way down on price. Also, he has a big warehouse here and might be willing to do a 20' container. I'll have to ask. I've got some cash to do this but not enough for a full 20' load. For the guys asking about paperwork, the bike is listed as DOT and we should be ok. How it worked for me in the past when I brought in some trail bikes, I told the factory exactly all the info I wanted on the MSO and they did it just like I told them.

[lego1970]

Paperwork is important so I can get plates on it. I can get around it but it's a hassle and costly.

[madbare]

I am curious about the paperwork you need. Here in Colorado you can register a motocross bike easily, so the hoops you have to jump through are almost non-existent. When my buddy converted his yz250, all he had to do was give them the MSO and sign some paperwork stating he put a brakelight, mirror and horn on his bike. They did not even inspect it. If this pans out we will have to discuss this topic more, but I dont think it should be an issue.

[lego1970]

To be honest I'm not sure, everytime I go to the DMV they seem to find something wrong with the paperwork. From my past experiences, I've had to have a Bill of Sale, Title, Insurance, Inspection, and my Personal Property Tax reciept. On the title, it can't say Dirtbike or Off-road. I've seen other bikes here in Missouri that have been converted from dirtbikes to being street legal, but I also have a neighbor who tried to do that and they wouldn't let him tag it because the Title said "off road". What else they want is beyond me but like I said the rules seems to change from day to day and from person to person. I can get the plates, but I'll have to have the mechanic fudge the Vin on the inspection to match a good title to a frame that I have. However, I've lost the ability to sell that Frame if I want to, plus I have to pay the Mechanic a few bucks to fudge the paperwork, so as I said before, I can do it, but it becomes costly if I have to fudge things around. Anything over $2200 and I'm in territory of finding a good used Japanese Dual Sport.

[Trebek]

I am having the same problem in Utah. My birth certificate, passport, drivers license (Texas), and paystub from the local school district arn't enough. They need a Social Security card as well. I want to be legal but can only put up with so much red tape before I rebel.

It is very maddening to me. I just ride the bike unregistered (adds a dimension of excitement really), but I do have insurance on the bike.
I have also learned how to avoid the cops pretty well, but I still would rather be legal.

I did this with a jeep back in Texas for six years and only got caught without registration twice. The grand total for the tickets was about $300. The costs of registering the jeep for 5 years and paying the sales tax, would have cost way more than $300. so I beat the system on that one.

Hopefully I will beat the system again.... I kindof like it!

[TeamCheap]

OMG does anyone ever pay attention.

One of the biggest hassles with these bikes has been getting them properly registered which comes down to them first being legal here in the states then a proper dealer license with the paperwork in order.

I know its not that difficult really but the GOV wants what it wants as far as paperwork goes and many people have had problems in different states gettting bikes registered.
Most have found a way but its a pain and some just never got it done(bummer).

As for that price it is very good and I'd go for one but only with the proper paperwork since I dont want to spend days at the S.O.S office.
(yes here it is the "Secratary Of State" :roll: :lol: )

[alonzo]

1800?!?!?! count me in. As long as I can get major parts for the machine. Is it a clone bike?

[katoranger]

They would need to be channelled through a licensed dealer to avoid any problems and then after the first price, plus some for the importer and then alittle for the dealer, it will most likely be about $2400.

Not too bad if the bike is solid and the parts are there, but getting into good used jap territory.

I would consider one at $2400.

Allen

[DesertDog]

i dont know remember that 350cc i can get but would'nt because the price was going to be to competitive to a good used jap bike, i bet u wont be able to get it for less than $3250.95 :roll: sounds good a price as any, they only stock 2% in parts per container , so if yurs brakes down and they dont have the part , yur on yur own. the mad hunt starts. :evil:

besides , why pay that much for a bike that , (even if it were only $2500) and i highly doubt it would get below that, .. and that bike wont even have the matching power of a good used Honda , Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki, these bikes put out 40 plus hp on 250cc more on there bigger bikes . whats this actually going to put out , 30 hp ? for a 400cc no thanx no dealer in there right mind would buy a container and get stuck with a load of under powered bikes, i had my chance and saw this would'nt be the right decission,

you cant get the price down enough , if your thinking $1800 for it dream on,

just my opinion ,,, do what you want

DD

[TeamCheap]

Yeah thats about what I was thinking to KATO maybe even as much as $2600 when its all said and done but still not to bad.
(but very close to my threshold)

DD someone has to do it first.(and someone will)
I agree that the power wont be close to the jap bikes but still a far cry better than the 200cc's (I'd hope)

When we got our bikes (hmm 3 years ago) there were very little parts out there for it, I mean I had to dig and dig but slowly it came around and now I dont really worry about parts at all.

[katoranger]

I would be happy with 30hp. That will easily pull 80-85mph on the road More than fast enough.

If the price is low enough then I would consider it. Otherwise DRZ400 for me.

Allen

[Rizn]

NOBODY will sell a 400cc for 1800.00, if they do IM IN, but they wont, and 2600.00 is to much without a guaranteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee of parts,

[TeamCheap]

If you want warranties, guarantees and easy parts access then china bikes arnt for you. :lol:

[culcune]

We need Bruce to chime in about now. He sat on this bike (I am pretty sure it's the same one) and had a few opinions of it. Chinese companies are kind of stupid in that they seem to "stick to their own" as in Chinese dealing with immigrant Chinese in the US. We can see the potential, but unless some barely US green carded Chinese guy does, and has a warehouse somewhere in the US, we will continue to be posting and responding back and forth, speculating. Their are lots of companies in China with "new and improved" product, but no Chinese guy here in the states with a warehouse importing the things. It's a shame!

[katoranger]

Bruce wasn't thrilled about it, but that one was also an aircooled model.

Allen

[TeamCheap]

Nothing matters much until they hit the shores over here and someone has to be the first to bring them in and test the market.It cant be done half way, meaning out of someones garage but a dealer has to do it so they can be utilized fully.(meaning street legal)
I feel the market here is very ready for a 350cc-400cc dualsport.

Parts wont be here in great numbers until sometime AFTER the products get here so its going to be a grin and bear time inbetween that.

It would be nice if whoever brings them in lets the insurance companies know about them to help us all get registered instead of them looking it up and not finding it then having to either fudge it in or tell us no they cant insure this unknown bike.

[lego1970]

We all hit on great points. I think they might sell well if someone had everything in check as far as price, parts, and paperwork. The three P's.

I'd be happy with the 250cc but V-bikes is sold out. I feel confident with the bikes since seeing this site plus KCsukiman is from my neck of the woods and it would be nice to have someone nearby to help out even if I'd have to buy the beer.

[katoranger]

The 3 Ps. I like that.

I would look into one if those were all hit. I am really leaning toward a scooter though and loss of my manlyhood.

The roketa 250 is sure a good looking scoot.

Allen

[shakembakem]

yeah i hear they have alot of storage for purses and stuff like that :D . Did someone talk to tim from vbikes about this motorcycle yet? i think someone should call him and see what he has to say.

[SpeedSouth]

sure a good looking scoot.

Allen


I wasn't aware that was possible :P

[katoranger]

Well my purse isn't real secure in the GY so I thought the under seat storage may be better. :lol:

Allen

[TeamCheap]

I am really leaning toward a scooter though and loss of my manlyhood.

The roketa 250 is sure a good looking scoot.

AllenGo all out and get it in full on loud, proud rainbow colors. :lol:

oh I wish all these toys had been around when I was a kid I'd of had a scooter then.
This is the closest thing I have to a "scooter".No purse pockets on it but it is sporting that purple bike lock.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/TeamCheap/dscf0028eb5.jpg
I really like this and anyday I might blow a gasket and sign for one.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm105/TeamCheap/DL650K8_yellow_ffe800.jpg$5900

[katoranger]

Full face helmet with a tinted shield. No one will know its me.

Actually I wouldn't be embarrassed with a big scoot. Wouldn't get on a 50cc.

Allen

[TeamCheap]

atleast the big scooters can get on down the road decently.

[katoranger]

atleast the big scooters can get on down the road decently.

I want to be able to cruise at 60mph. I would get flatten on a 50cc.

Allen

[TeamCheap]

yeah that V-strom is supposed to move OK. :lol:

[katoranger]

Those look nice. But I have decided on my cc limit. 500. That way the kymco xciting 500 is within the limit.

Allen

[DesertDog]

Yeah thats about what I was thinking to KATO maybe even as much as $2600 when its all said and done but still not to bad.
(but very close to my threshold)

DD someone has to do it first.(and someone will)
I agree that the power wont be close to the jap bikes but still a far cry better than the 200cc's (I'd hope)

When we got our bikes (hmm 3 years ago) there were very little parts out there for it, I mean I had to dig and dig but slowly it came around and now I dont really worry about parts at all.

:?: :!:
so is that every one wants :?:

just a far cry better than the 200 or 250, :?

i still dont believe the price will be cheap enough,
i've got the file on the 350 tandem container cost per bike $2000 .
hell if everyone wants this i'll put in an order, by the time my store is ready the container should be half way here.

my supplier on the 300cc said it will be ready for epa approval by end of august , but i say dont keep yur fingers crossed
and that is the one Tim at Vbike wants to get as well

[TeamCheap]

Well let me tell ya, if I can get one sent to my driveway for around $2400-$2600 I'd really consider it.

But I doubt they will be here before I buy something new and a bike I want is still available for a great price and I may just snatch it up soon.

[iMoose]

Whoever gets the big cc bikes cheaper, wins.

It's that simple.

[TeamCheap]

Whoever gets the big cc bikes cheaper, wins.

It's that simple.Yep pretty much.
But even so once they are here at various dealers you will see different prices and we can shop around then.
I think people(dealers) want to bring them in because they know people want them but are afraid they will get stuck with them if the cost is to high.
(which could happen but not likely)
My thinking is the 400cc dualsport is pretty much the same as what we have already seen with only a few changes and really not worth an extra 2K and I know there is no real R&D costs that went into them just the usual PP costs. :lol:

I wont buy a 250cc bike now unless I want it for parts or experimentation :twisted: but a 400cc bike is on the buy list until I get one or something bigger.

[kczukiman]

There are already 300cc and 400cc Chinese ATV's in this country and if you look at the price differenceits much more then a few hundred dollars.
Its 700.00 difference just between a 250cc to a 300cc.The 300cc is rated at 22hp & the 250cc is rated at 20hp.

[TeamCheap]

The pricing on these bikes is going to make them or break them.
(parts wont be there, warranty will be a joke as on the other bikes and quality is still not up to par-price is all they got still)

The quality is not there and people will not plunk down several thousand dollars when for a little bit more they could just get a jap bike and not have to worry much about it.

I fear that to many people(dealers) think they are going to make a killing on these 400cc bikes but really in my opinion they will be pretty much the same as the 200's in overall build quality and not deserving of a huge price increase but I expect some price increase since they will be more in demand with the added power and the FEW refinements.

200cc dual sports go for around $800-$1400 (some a bit more)
400cc dual sports are built about the same with a few tweaks but shouldnt be priced much more than $2000-$2500 really and thats being a bit generous as far as I'm concerned.

I'm going to have to be able to see one of the chinese 400cc bikes for myself though before buying one.
No way am I buying one sight unseen unless its close to 1K.(so yeah I;'ll have to have a look at one :roll: )

[DesertDog]

Whoever gets the big cc bikes cheaper, wins.

It's that simple.


So do you want to be a winner :wink:

[DesertDog]

ok dealers get ahold of yur distributors warm up yur check books or just do a WT to em . the price is in on the 400R

and it is $1820 ea per container load 40ft 32 pcs not including shipping and customes docking fees

yur distributors might be able to mix a container and nock the total down some more but $58k's is out of my ball park

DD

[TeamCheap]

SO what do you think DD are dealers going to have to sell them for $2800-$2900 just to make a little money.I suppose they could sell them at $3500-3800 but not to me I'll just get the tried and true new JAP bike.
I'm so ready to get that V-strom it's not even funny.
Maybe I should just look for a 30+ year old honda for next to nothing and run that for a while. :lol: (AHHH points ....what are points :lol: )

All this is just pie in the sky speculation until they are here and up for sale. :lol:


At 58K thats a hard hit for one dealer but if there were a small group of dealers (2-4 guys) to split it up that might work. :idea: Oh well sooner or later they will be here.

[DesertDog]

you know i like new my self and i would pay the $ for the bike , but thats me,,,,,

if any one is that interested in the bike you or they should ask a more qualified dealer, one that has been dealing alot with a distributor.
one of my distributors that i asked , would they would be interested in a container, had no comment.! yet .

i paid $2455 ea. for two of my quads 300cc at dealer cost plus shipping, so you know the distributor is going to want to make there share.

lets see if we get close on cost till we here from an inside sorce.

1. container, 40ft or 40HQ, straight just for here say
2. bike $1820
3. x 32 = $58240.00
4. shipping from maneland china to portside usa $1500 (?) $59740)maybe
5. then you have customs fee $(?) i heard is about $100 to 200 more $59940.00 at 200 more.
6. then more shipping cost to your wharehouse if it was'nt included with the first shipping (?) $$$$ good guess
7.lets devide the 1500 and the 200 more into the 32 pieces at 1820, we have $1873 ea. so far to get it to yur store (wharehouse) and that is probly a low low figure, but close enough
8. distributor will need to make $$$ too so sell it for ? if only selling to a dealer still in crate plus shipping figuritive $400 more, = $2273.00 sell more than one to just one dealer discounts apply
9.Dealer sells to joe public assembly fee, (prep fee) and any other figures he or they can add into the price, color choice etc...., $300 to $500
more depending who the customer is lol. naw who the dealer is $2773.00
10.
yes TC just depends who the dealer is $2800 to $3800 as i see it, and as a greedy dealer would see it

[TeamCheap]

I think a lot of people dont realize just how many people handle these before they get dropped at a driveway or a dealer and everyone has to get their piece of the pie along the way.

Thanks for breaking it down that was very good.



I wonder how much the jap bikes would cost if they were all made in japan still.
Will china ever open up a factory here to make their products :lol: :lol: I doubt it (cars maybe).

[iMoose]

The pricing problem appears to be on China's end. Or perhaps the exporters?

Maybe they have caught wind of the heated interest in the States for bigger engined bikes, and see it as the opportunity to increase prices?

So what is causing their higher wholesale prices? Well the simplest answer is probably that there really isn't a domestic market for the larger displacement bikes due to regulations and taxes for 200cc+ engines. I remember that Supersignet made a vague remark about having 150cc badges to hide the fact of his 200cc motor, for easier registration purposes.

So factories tooled to spit out 200cc bikes might be bogged down if they switch production over to the smaller smaller demand of big cc bikes. That may make the case for them to be cost prohibitive. But it sounds like a pretty weak excuse. After all, these same factories are producing 4-wheelers with the larger powerplants. The mechanics of factory-lines handling the larger bikes seems miniscule.

Street-legal 300cc+ enduros will really START the opinions of the China bikes to change. First impressions have been very mixed. And if they continue with the uncompetitive pricing, those impressions will be even harder to wash away. Price is their strongest feature. Seems to be a very dumb strategy, without a stronger established market base anyways.

Could be why AL resorted to calling out the reputations of other sellers with the same bikes, rather then compete with price. They realized that was the average customer's priority, but wanted to maintain profit levels.
Whether that was illegal in any way, I have no idea. But the cocept of Americans using legislation to force other Americans out of business, seems un-American to me. But I digress........Oooops! Sorry, off-topic!

[DesertDog]

The pricing problem appears to be on China's end. Or perhaps the exporters?

Maybe they have caught wind of the heated interest in the States for bigger engined bikes, and see it as the opportunity to increase prices?

So what is causing their higher wholesale prices? Well the simplest answer is probably that there really isn't a domestic market for the larger displacement bikes due to regulations and taxes for 200cc+ engines. I remember that Supersignet made a vague remark about having 150cc badges to hide the fact of his 200cc motor, for easier registration purposes.

So factories tooled to spit out 200cc bikes might be bogged down if they switch production over to the smaller smaller demand of big cc bikes. That may make the case for them to be cost prohibitive. But it sounds like a pretty weak excuse. After all, these same factories are producing 4-wheelers with the larger powerplants. The mechanics of factory-lines handling the larger bikes seems miniscule.

Street-legal 300cc+ enduros will really START the opinions of the China bikes to change. First impressions have been very mixed. And if they continue with the uncompetitive pricing, those impressions will be even harder to wash away. Price is their strongest feature. Seems to be a very dumb strategy, without a stronger established market base anyways.

Could be why AL resorted to calling out the reputations of other sellers with the same bikes, rather then compete with price. They realized that was the average customer's priority, but wanted to maintain profit levels.
Whether that was illegal in any way, I have no idea. But the cocept of Americans using legislation to force other Americans out of business, seems un-American to me. But I digress........Oooops! Sorry, off-topic!
8O
:roll:
8O
no no keep going ,,,, politics ?, lets see culcune is the professor, and you ???? are our political advisor :roll: :roll: :) yeah

[shakembakem]

everybody says you get what you pay for when you get a chinese bike. To me thats exactly right, i get a pretty decent motorcycle for 1300 dollars. the problem with jab bikes is you dont get what you pay for. at the local dealer they want 4700 dollars for a 230cc air cooled honda dual sport, i can buy 3 bikes for that! Why do people care if our money goes to the japs or the chinese? i dont get it. like desert dog says i would rather buy new than used.

[stiche]

How about supply and demand?
My demand is something that will go 70 MPH for 4 hours at less than redline and not fall apart or need a major overhaul, be able to go in the woods and haul my big hairy behind around, and street legal.
This means I need at least a 350cc engine. I want a commuter I can play with and even go on some overnight camping trips
Can I get it new for less than 3500? less than 3K? I demand acsess to that supply!

[fatboy250]

My demand is something that will go 70 MPH for 4 hours at less than redline and not fall apart or need a major overhaul, be able to go in the woods and haul my big hairy behind around, and street legal. I want a commuter I can play with and even go on some overnight camping trips


For $1000, I pretty much have what you described in the 200cc OHC Roketa. The pushrod that I have does ok for commuting but doesn't fit the bill quite as well for what you described.

Jason

[TeamCheap]

For what I got into my bike it does OK and it is now very reliable and fun to ride but I really would like a bit more power for those more demanding trails and the short runs on the roads.

I doubt the 350-400cc bikes will be here soon enough for me and even then the price will most likely kill it for me.

I was a bit sticker shocked at some of the prices on the chinese ATV's I have seen, really no reason to buy the chinese when for 1-1.5K more you can have the ATV they copied.

[DesertDog]

How about supply and demand?
My demand is something that will go 70 MPH for 4 hours at less than redline and not fall apart or need a major overhaul, be able to go in the woods and haul my big hairy behind around, and street legal.
This means I need at least a 350cc engine. I want a commuter I can play with and even go on some overnight camping trips
Can I get it new for less than 3500? less than 3K? I demand acsess to that supply!

ask and ye shall receive .
but demand and we shall supply ?
it looks like the price will be low but the up keep no one knows
so yur best bet is a big brand name

[theENIGMATIC]

Thats a cool looking bike and I would even consider one after a test run and providing there was a decent amount of them being sold from several decent dealers in America and North America.plus parts availability etc.even then I can tell the quality is not that of a Kawasaki KLR 250...So $2000 would be a fair deal for that bike providing it was a bit easier to get my hands on.and even then a KLR 250 used would go for around the same price as that and prob give a lot less of a hard time, and last longer.who knows, the Chinese have to get off their as$E$ and start paying to create a better bike for export.they have the ability I think they are sand bagging it because they are afraid of losing money or its against the law to spend more than $100 dollars manufacturing a bike in China???? :x

[TeamCheap]

Thats a cool looking bike and I would even consider one after a test run and providing there was a decent amount of them being sold from several decent dealers in America and North America.plus parts availability etc.even then I can tell the quality is not that of a Kawasaki KLR 250...So $2000 would be a fair deal for that bike providing it was a bit easier to get my hands on.and even then a KLR 250 used would go for around the same price as that and prob give a lot less of a hard time, and last longer.who knows, the Chinese have to get off their as$E$ and start paying to create a better bike for export.they have the ability I think they are sand bagging it because they are afraid of losing money or its against the law to spend more than $100 dollars manufacturing a bike in China???? :xThe chinese just copy and make it just good enough to sell it.
They could do much better but I dont think that fits their business model.

They have stol...err copi....err acquired various manufacturing processes from companies all over the world but I wonder where they use those processes.

Anyway I'll just sit back and do the wait and see game.

[n8zuz]

The pricing problem appears to be on China's end. Or perhaps the exporters?
...
So what is causing their higher wholesale prices?

Try a weak US dollar in a global economy.

[theENIGMATIC]

Any word on the actual make of the bike.is it Shineray or something????

[ChiGongJitsu]

looks like the waiting game is what we'll all have to do! still wondering why they don't make a 250cc 6 speed bike?

that might snag some sales from the japanese manufacturers (although the japanese bikes are generally nicer)...but that's old news lol

[IronFist]

My next bike will have a 6th gear

[Brainsquishy]

OK, so I called a dealer in the US that is bringing the 400cc bikes in. They are in transit and expected at the end of the month (July 2008).
The final selling prices are not available yet as the shipping cost have not been fully realized until they arrive at their doors. That cost is then added to the price.
I was told the HA-XY400GY and HA-XY400Y-2 are in the items being shipped, or more exactly I asked about those two and he said they would be in at the end of the month. These bikes are available to dealers so I am told. Perhaps individuals as well.

The gentleman also said there where some Canadian dealers who may be getting some as well, but he didn't recall who. He will get another guy (salesman) to email me about where to get them in Canada. Hopefully Ontario. They where all at lunch when I called.

Here is the link to the dealer I spoke with. Has anyone worked with them?

http://chinaoffroad.com/news.php

http://chinaoffroad.com/contact.php

I am particularly interested in this one
http://www.wlie.cn/show_imgnews.asp?id=1224
which seems to be the same as the one on the chinaoffroad.com site. But the 400Y-2 looks good too.
Depends on pricing.

[andzman]

So what does this actually equate to? Can I buy one of these bikes?

[Brainsquishy]

So what does this actually equate to? Can I buy one of these bikes?

Soon I believe.

I told the guy about this website and he had not heard of it before. He was quite interested in visiting and exploring the chinariders.net website. Hopefully he/they will register and openly explain the 400cc bike situation here so we don't need to keep speculating and guessing.

[lego1970]

Thanks for the update. That dealer is only a 2 hour drive from me so that's real sweet for me if the price is right. I kinda like the streetbike version better. Stylish, flashy but not tacky, comfy looking seat, good power, but not a gas guzzler, I like it. When I get a bike it will be mostly used to go to work and back, although I will be taking some trips out west where there are a lot of dirt roads. It looks like it has the same frame as the dual sport version and if the rear shock and front forks have some decent travel and I can get a 70%road/30%offroad tires put on it, then I've found a my perfect bike. Now if I could just find a woman with the same qualities :)

[Brainsquishy]

You can have mine, but she doesn't meet any of those qualities! :)

[Savage]

I bought a used DRZ 400 instead. Can't beat it's power or quality.

[Brainsquishy]

I talked to Don chinaoffroad.com .
He tells me they are getting in 4-6 sample bikes for testing by their mechanics and on there track. They will determine if they are up to snuff as far a quality and if they pass mustered, they will order a container to be distributed to various dealers. He says they will take parts supply very seriously as well if they take on the line. Bikes will be ready for street plating and come with a manufacturers statement of origin.

The sample shipment has not arrived at their door yet, so again no price is available for me. This would be the wholesale price I guess and a MSRP.

I need to wait 30 days Don says. But I am to keep checking the website for changes on these bikes.

I was also told he is getting A LOT of calls about them.

So, I guess we will need to wait some more.

I would really like to know exactly what their "TESTING" includes. An independent report by a qualified individual or agency would go very far in boosting sales of these bikes right off the hop.

...Please discuss.....

[AZ200cc]

I talked to Don chinaoffroad.com .
He tells me they are getting in 4-6 sample bikes for testing by their mechanics and on there track. They will determine if they are up to snuff as far a quality and if they pass mustered, they will order a container to be distributed to various dealers. He says they will take parts supply very seriously as well if they take on the line. Bikes will be ready for street plating and come with a manufacturers statement of origin.

The sample shipment has not arrived at their door yet, so again no price is available for me. This would be the wholesale price I guess and a MSRP.

I need to wait 30 days Don says. But I am to keep checking the website for changes on these bikes.

I was also told he is getting A LOT of calls about them.

So, I guess we will need to wait some more.

I would really like to know exactly what their "TESTING" includes. An independent report by a qualified individual or agency would go very far in boosting sales of these bikes right off the hop.

...Please discuss.....


How many does a dealer have to purchase at one time? I 'm guessing he's a wholesaler.

[Natemare13]

bump...whats the news on these 400cc enduros?

[Alaskan-Dad]

Ya bump :D
So where are these bikes for sale at now?
Everybody wants one!
I want one too! :wink:

http://www.wlie.cn/upimg/20081171231664073.jpg

[elroyjetsn]

That's this bike with a 400cc water-cooled engine basically.

http://www.chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5914&highlight=

Both made by Xingyue.

Remember when SamS wanted to do a group purchase of a container of those bikes. Someone gave it a bad rap after seeing it at a show. None of the complaints would have bothered my, though. :?

[TeamCheap]

It doesnt look like a whole lot is coming out of china right now.

The earthquake/s and the slowing of the global economy hasnt helped them and has left thousands of chinese workers without work.

A larger CC bike would sell well over here in the states but are there really enough people here that would buy one with the way things are right now?

I do believe it will pick up again in the future but it may not be until late 2009.