USA Registration...State by State Issues.

[ejcycles]

To All USA Citizens

I had been avoiding a dedicated forum for this topic since it's primarily a US issue (Each state seems like its own small country - go figure). However, since ~75% of the visitors originate in the US it only makes sense.{From Frostbite}

The Federal Government in the USA, the DOT [Department of Transportation} only regulate the Safety Portion of Road Worthy vehicles that come into this country and what road worthy means. Basically certain parts of any vehicle must meet DOT regulations to become road worthy.

The EPA {Environmental Protection Agency} Regulates weather a certain group/size of vehicles engines meet their specifications to come into this country. They must Pass EPA regulations to enter.

Each State in the Union makes it's own laws weather a vehicle is Street Legal or not and what the vehicle needs to become street legal. The Federal Government will not step in on this issue due to the fact of what is written in the constitution for each State. Each State is has it's own Government, therefore every State in The Union makes it's own laws on what is street worthy and what makes the vehicle street worthy.

My Suggestion to anyone that is looking at purchasing a vehicle from the internet, is to First GO to {not call} your local BMV Office and find out exactly what You will need to register the vehicle at that Office. Talk to the head person in charge of the office first, this person is responsible for knowing the laws. Don't talk to a counter person at the office as they are not usually enhanced enough to know all of the laws. Remember each any every office in Your State may not have the same answers, because this also goes by Jurisdiction in each State.

Buying from the internet can be a headache. You, the Buyer Must be Responsible. It is up to You to find out if you are going to get all of the correct paperwork from the seller. Yes there are a lot of internet sellers that are out there for the quick buck and will lie their pants off, on the other hand there are a few that do care and have a conscience that will go the extra mile to provide with all of the correct paperwork to register your vehicle, except what you are responsible for.

I hope that this helps and I will update it as needed.

Bruce

[mdsuave13]

sadly, this should be common knowledge, but with the way information can be found on the net, it has made everyone even more lazy then normal :)

i know i am, why bother wasting gas and time i dont have when i can just ask bruce what i need to do :lol:

[NewEnglandTrails]

This site can get details on motorcycle registration in your particular state as well as links to state websites.

http://www.dmv.org/how-to-guides/other-vehicles.php

NET

[Fresnomotorsports]

My recommendation would always be to purchase from a licensed motor vehicle dealer in your state. They should handle the reg for you, and it should be no problem. If they want to hand you an MSO, then they are likely not a licensed motor vehicle dealer in your state, and you should consider purchasing elsewhere.

[ejcycles]

Hi Fresnomotorsports

That all depends, there are a couple States that The Dealer does give the MCO to the customer and the customer goes to the DMV and gets the title. .....Indiana is just one State that registers titles this way, a friend of mine {Cycle Analist} is a Dealer in Indiana that told me this.
http://www.cycle-analyst.com/

Bruce

[knothead]

For Tenessee:
http://www.tennessee.gov/revenue/vehicle/index.htm
http://www.tennessee.gov/revenue/vehicle/titling/importedmoped.htm

The second link states you need an HS-7, don't worry about it, apparently it's something the manufaturer and the state works out. You will need the bill of sale and MSO/MCO, without them no tags or registration! Nothing needs to be Notorized though, TN did away with that several years ago.
Also, for most of Tennessee, you can plate a dirt bike, you need a headlight and a tail/stop light. Turn signals and horn are optional. The larger metro areas like Memphis and Nashville are more strict and I think they have inspections and I think have their own requirements.

[silverman1]

Im going to try to find someone woh really knows what gives. Im going to the source for help. Lots of nice china DP bikes out there but if you can't title them, well why bother!! :roll:

[silverman1]

I was told in PA by a notary place you need to purchase your bike from an in state dealer in PA so he can actually sign the MSO or MCO. Whether this holds true or not I don't know. The information was sketchy at best they being unsure. I talked to a former motorcycle dealer in PA as well as a notary.

They were not fond of china bikes or quads, they said they had a lot of electrical issues as well as issues with parts availability, and bolts breaking, such as the swing arm bolts.

I know they have nothing to gain bashing china bikes, but they were telling me about the issues that people who were looking for parts had.

These people in turn seeked them out in an effort to try to find parts.

[mike8349]

The only problem in Florida is the MSO must state the engine rating in CC's - not HP - So ask ahead of time if they can do it for you!

[NewEnglandTrails]

Before you buy a mail order bike, please look through all the pages under registration issues for any postings that are pertinent to your state. It could save you some $ and aggravation.

NET

[Al_From_PA]

PENNSYLVANIA - NEW RULE.

NO VIN'S STARTING WITH "L" !!!

(sorry for yelling)


Link to story :

http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=564901

[Wool-Z]

Well, I hope this won't effect bikes already titled and registered. I got mine from out of state and only had minor problems. I can see what they're sayin' bout recalls, parts, warrenties, ect. But these china bikes have been around. We consumers should have the right to buy them and ride'em. I don't see the big deal, almost the same as building your own kit car, but way cheaper. Gotta love the Communistwealth of PA!

[tigertamer]

Well, I hope this won't effect bikes already titled and registered. I got mine from out of state and only had minor problems...Gotta love the Communistwealth of PA!

Better watch out! The Keystone Computer Cops might be watching :twisted:

Ride safely,
Tigertamer

[Jmcgee]

Well. its a no go in Georgia now, they want an officer to verify the NHTSA label, My VIN number is invalid according to them and Gieco. TXpowersports was of no help at all. This brand damn new bike is no good to me now, nothing I can do. :doh: :doh: :doh:

[culcune]

Can you do a chargeback on your credit card? The owner of Txpowersports became a member here on chinariders a couple months back; perhaps you can revive one of the threads he posted on, and see if publicly bringing up the issue will get you a refund or a trade.

If worse comes to worse, since the bike(s) (plural bikes being the Magician and Hawk) are EPA certified as off-road, can you at least get a title if Georgia issues titles for off-road only bikes?

[Sport Rider]

if you are up to it, you could also consider going the route of getting a SD title, registration and plate. I did that for my hawk, living in NC.

[Jmcgee]

Can you do a chargeback on your credit card? The owner of Txpowersports became a member here on chinariders a couple months back; perhaps you can revive one of the threads he posted on, and see if publicly bringing up the issue will get you a refund or a trade.

If worse comes to worse, since the bike(s) (plural bikes being the Magician and Hawk) are EPA certified as off-road, can you at least get a title if Georgia issues titles for off-road only bikes?

No title for off-road bikes in GA. and Txpowersports wants 30% restocking plus I pay return shipping. That's the fine print I did not read. I may start a thread "Don't buy in Georgia" or something, I asked and they only have 1 bike with a NHTSA label they sell. a little 125 or something.

[Jmcgee]

if you are up to it, you could also consider going the route of getting a SD title, registration and plate. I did that for my hawk, living in NC.
I may try that, Georgia does require you change to a GA plate in like 30 days though, so that still may be no good.

[ripvw32]

Folks, for those of you having registration issues, specifically in Colorado, I just got mine done.

I had to register it as a custom built bike, and have a state assigned VIN. The NHTSA specifically lists this bike as off road use only.

I just finished the whole process, about 2 months end to end (wait times for paper work to be filed/returned and appointment scheduling).. Total cost to me (outside of time/gas) was about $100...

Not a huge deal, but I do wish that places like Texas Power Sports, and that dude from RPS specifically, would stop saying street legal... Technically it is correct, except the non-DOT compliant tires), however it is way misleading.. I think someone should look up the legality of what they are saying, vs. what is actually, legally, true....

[culcune]

Isn't there a form to fill out that lets you convert a dirt bike to street in CO?

[ripvw32]

Isn't there a form to fill out that lets you convert a dirt bike to street in CO?

That is essentially what I did - but it is more than a form.. It is actually several, a VIN inspection, a DOT/State Patrol safety inspection, more forms, waiting...waiting...waiting... and finally a VIN plate that gets issued and attached to your bike...

[132bob]

ripvw32 -

what bike did you register in colorado ?
a Hawk 250 is the one i want to but . and the holdup is not knowing
if it can be licensed at all here

[culcune]

ripvw32 -

what bike did you register in colorado ?
a Hawk 250 is the one i want to but . and the holdup is not knowing
if it can be licensed at all here

I remember he has the Hawk

[clark]

It took the county clerk a while to complete the registration process (20 minutes me sitting across the desk/counter? With several back and forth queries and looking at MCO. Unclear if the "Make" of the cycle was in the database?) And a bit of a surprise; I thought we would need to walk out to the parking lot to validate the VIN, but no need. The stock cycle is now titled and tagged for street use in Florida. I transferred a tag from an earlier sold cycle.
My costs:
$24.60 - Tag fee for remaining 6 months of 2017
$76.14 - Florida sales tax
$73.50 - Florida title fee
$4.75 - Agency fee (county?)
=====
$178.99 - Grand Total

FL Motorcycle Registration Requirements:
MCO (Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin)
Bill of Sale
Drivers License
Proof of Insurance

[michaelmania]

Hawk 250 registered for road in MA. No problems at all!

[Tatanka01]

$88.68 paid title, sales tax and 1 yr registration. Clerk didn't even inspect the bike.........now street legal in AZ and titled as a 2017 RPS. Have insurance through USAA with Progressive for $68/yr

[Emerikol]

I may try that, Georgia does require you change to a GA plate in like 30 days though, so that still may be no good.

Jmcgee - I had a whole lot of back and forth with my DMV out here. PM me with where you live in GA and I'll do my best to walk you through the process. I have a Hawk with a title and tag, and it was only a little bit of frustration. Of course, I'm looking at it in the rearview mirrors of about 8 months now, so there's that... Let me know if I can help.

[clark]

Jmcgee - I had a whole lot of back and forth with my DMV out here. PM me with where you live in GA and I'll do my best to walk you through the process. I have a Hawk with a title and tag, and it was only a little bit of frustration. Of course, I'm looking at it in the rearview mirrors of about 8 months now, so there's that... Let me know if I can help.
It was a few years back when I titled 'n taged my Qlink in rural GA. Registration was a breeze. However, the county did not collect sales tax... SOooo... the state of GA came back wanting the $75? in sales tax. I responded "it was an internet sale (from Columbus, GA) and thus not subject to sales tax" (note: since the sale was from an in-state vendor, I belatedly believe sales tax was due.) However, I did not hear back from GA... BUT... the state subsequently did place a lien on my house for the tax. Apparently the lien expired by the time I sold the house, no motorcycle / lien tax was taken during closing. (Anyway, GA if you are listening, I have you down in my will for those monies. :-) )

[Emerikol]

Shhh! Don't bring too much attention to us GA Hawk riders. There are only about three or four Hawks registered in the state, and we certainly don't want the officious red tapers and bean counters taking too close of a look, now do we? :ohno: I'm going out on the Hawk first thing tomorrow morning. I'm a little over two-thirds of the way through the stock rear tire, and I would like to get a new one hung on there before the move to Arizona.

[Luke711]

Easy easy...register it in VT..mail in papers and check...no problem

[Goshawk]

Maine - Successful (note, in Maine bikes can be registered via the local town office if they are authorised to do so). Mine was a used but unregistered bike bought in New Hampshire, and I just presented the cert. of origin, insurance binder and bill of sale. Walked out with a plate and a registration tag, but still had to get its annual inspection, as I would with any other bike.I keep thinking it must have been illegal, because it was much too easy:)

[GlennR]

I got my Pitster Pro LXR250 titled & tagged in NC a couple of months ago. :)

I was afraid it might not go through, but the nice lady at the DMV said "no problem".

[ktigerj]

Maryland MVA registration and titling for the Bashan Storm 250.

The company I bought it from "Smart Deals Now" in TX, goes by about 30 names it seems, was able to fax a "new" Bill of Sale to the MVA. My guess is that they wanted to see if it was a real company and not just some person selling them.

Long and short 304 bucks later and three trips (one of them my fault) I was able to get it registered.

Maryland needs:
1. Good MCO/MSO. Ask your seller for a good MCO not the one that ships with it.
2. Bill of Sale on Company letterhead. Best to have them fax them to your MVA office.
3. Proof of Insurance.
4. Your Class M license.

[LakeSuperiorRider]

If anyone is buying a Hawk 250 in Wisconsin don't bring your paperwork to the DMV. They tried looking it up in their system and told me it was an ATV and it could not be licensed in state. Fortunetly Q9 Powersports in Madison, which is where I ordered mine online, is currently working on getting me plates now. I would encourage anyone in Wisconsin to buy directly from them and let them handle the registration process.

It was funny. The lady at the DMV told me I should return the bike.:hmm:

[skeltonh]

Pennsylvania
While I have not tried to register a bike with PA as of yet, I have done a lot of talking with PA, inspectors, and with others that have registered bikes with PA. However, that only makes me someone with an opinion and not of authority. Even so....

1. A number of folks in my area have been looking to convert their quads into street legal reverse trikes, or as PA calls them: autocycles. PA has repeatedly stated that if a vehicle has a VIN or certificates that desginates it as an off-road vehicle, no amount of modifications will allow you to make it a street vehicle. In short: You purchased a quad, it still remains a quad and cannot be used on roads (and other places).


2. Getting a bike from an online dealer or via overseas via some place like alibaba.com is going to be next to impossible to register in PA. Three things you'll have to do:


a. Have the sales receipt, b. Have the MSO/MCO, c. Have the California Carb compliance certificate.



Now regarding CARB, PA has recently gone to CARB compliance. This caused problems with some cars that were registered in the past year in other state having to get a firmware upgrade in order to comply (Kia being one of them - it happened to me). This CARB mandate also affects all imports such as bikes and reverse trikes. I have talked to three bike inspectors and they all say this is required.


3. Save up your bucks - its going to cost you! PA is terrible with registration fees, fees for this, fees for that, fees for being ugly (just kidding, but they would if they could and boy would I be in trouble). In short: having to register your new bike in PA could cost you hundreds of dollars. If you build a bike with imported parts you'll need MSO/MCO for each and every part, evidence you actually built the vehicle, money for the state police to verify everything and insure your ride is road worthy, and that is all before you even talk about getting it titled and tagged. One guy in New Castle, PA built his own and it cost him over $1,500.00 to get through the whole process.


4. You can't ride/drive it there. They will report you if you drive your ride to the inspection place or to the state police inspector's place. So be sure to have a friend with a truck and/or trailer to get it to each of the places.


5. If by astronomical chances you survive all of this, is it really worth it?? For me: No. While there are some nice looking Chinese bikes and reverse trikes I'll either buy one that is already in the state and titled and tagged, or I'll get the Can Am Ryker - which is where I'm leaning right now.



Closing:
Your ride must be CARB compliant. Have tons of paperwork, depending on what you bought and how you bought it. If you have to assemble it things will only go from bad to worse for you. The best way to get a chinese bike is to find one already tagged and titled in another state and buy it. PA then says thats OK as it has already passed some form of government approval and can be registered in PA. However, if the VIN is screwy, regardless of tags and title, you'll might hit a snag in PA.

[Red Hawk]

I must be lucky then. I was out the door in 10 minutes with my tag. My MCO was from a Texas dealer, so they didn't even blink. My PA title came in under 2 weeks. L vin didn't matter my bike was in the computer and populated the info for the lady. I watched over her shoulder. That was a surprise !

But I've only done this once :D

[Dmoe16]

Can anyone tell me if I am able to register my RPS Magician 250 in the state of Kentucky?

[Jimkeyes]

Is it a problem to get title in the state of Arkansas

[nmeadows]

I had no problems getting a 2020 TBR7, bought from txpowersports titled, plated, and registered here in NE Indiana. Just handed them the BOS, MCO, and my (progressive) insurance card. The lady did look at me funny and asked if it was a scooter, told her "Nope, it's a 250cc motorcycle." Took about 20 minutes, we verified the VIN and I was on my way. Do be aware though that you will have to pay Indiana sales tax since it was purchased from other than Indiana.

[Magician16]

North Dakota all I needed was MSO and Bill of Sale. Took 10 minutes for my Magician.

[Digital]

Fyi...
No issues getting plates in PA for Hawk 250

Purchased from TX Powersports and recieve MCO paperwork.

Brought the following items to the local auto tag place...
- MCO (notarized)
- Receipt from TXPS
- Insurance information
- VIN number
- $250.

Recieved a pink copy of the MV-1 registration form. The original copy of the form went to the PA DMV. Waited 4 weeks. Received a call from the tags place that my plate and registration was in and picked it up.

...super easy

[J_Man]

I'M looking to buy a hawk 250 and live in SC. Anyone on here have any trouble with registration in sc?

[Gasmask]

Anyone succeed with a NJ registration of a 250 Enduro? 150 Scooter?

[GetnGhost]

Can anyone tell me if I am able to register my RPS Magician 250 in the state of Kentucky?


Did you have any problems registering it?

[Ameal]

Well. its a no go in Georgia now, they want an officer to verify the NHTSA label, My VIN number is invalid according to them and Gieco. TXpowersports was of no help at all. This brand damn new bike is no good to me now, nothing I can do. :doh: :doh: :doh:

Just ride the bike, deal with the problems when they come. What’s the worst they can do to you?

[mors30001]

Hi,

Was thinking about getting my girl a hawk or apollo db-36 supermoto to learn on the VIN on the Hawk will come up as a dirtbike and is not fmvss so no go.

now the Apollo vin comes back fine and you might be able to sneak it through if you dont go to the Cranston DMV but enforcement hates china bikes and will shoot down any china bikes they specifically mentioned the CSC bikes. They actually seemed proud that they were stopping people from registering them.

On a side note they looked up the Apollo db-36 and went on to say its not safe tires are too exposed, They were not happy when I told them that the tires were the same amount exposed as on my XR650L that is RI plated. they also told me that the apollo bikes were some of the ones they crushed a few months back in a crack down on illegal riding on the city streets

Good luck if your trying in RI you have to love this fct state

[JerryHawk250]

Hi,

Was thinking about getting my girl a hawk or apollo db-36 supermoto to learn on the VIN on the Hawk will come up as a dirtbike and is not fmvss so no go.

now the Apollo vin comes back fine and you might be able to sneak it through if you dont go to the Cranston DMV but enforcement hates china bikes and will shoot down any china bikes they specifically mentioned the CSC bikes. They actually seemed proud that they were stopping people from registering them.

On a side note they looked up the Apollo db-36 and went on to say its not safe tires are too exposed, They were not happy when I told them that the tires were the same amount exposed as on my XR650L that is RI plated. they also told me that the apollo bikes were some of the ones they crushed a few months back in a crack down on illegal riding on the city streets

Good luck if your trying in RI you have to love this fct state
I can understand the Hawk but any other bike that has fmvss should be able to register. What a bunch of dumb #@%*. Even the Hawk DXL has fmvss. I would have to move.

[gr8lampini]

this is killing me. im ready to buy taotbr7 from txpowersports and still cant know for sure if i can register in Pa. one person or place says yes and the next says no HELP!!!

[Ina Ditch]

this is killing me. im ready to buy taotbr7 from txpowersports and still cant know for sure if i can register in Pa. one person or place says yes and the next says no HELP!!!


I have ended the anguish, I had a bike ordered and had several bumps in the road along the way, I took that as a sign and cancelled the order and as soon as things settle down a little I am going to buy a bike that I know I can get registered and tagged and then save my pennies for a china bike and if it doesn't get registered It wont be the end of the world.
it will cost me twice as much but the peace of mind and not having to argue with the squareheads at the county tax collectors office is well worth to me.

[myassim]

I have NTSHA label on the HAWK EFI DLX, and DMV does not care..

[250x-pro-Hawk]

Just got my paper work yesterday 8/5/20 went to a local notary and $250 dollars later walked out with license plate temporary registration and a copy of insurance. My vin# starts with "LOW".:hmm:

PENNSYLVANIA - NEW RULE.

NO VIN'S STARTING WITH "L" !!!

(sorry for yelling)


Link to story :

http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=564901

[Joe Schutts]

Hi Everyone,


I am considering buying one of these bikes for myself. I live in PA and was wondering IF ANYONE has had ANY PROBLEMS getting TAGS for these bikes in PA???


The bikes are the: DongFang 250CC DF250RTS Razor OR the DongFang Venom X22R 250



If ANYONE has had ANY ISSUES with these bikes please let me know so I don't waste my money...


Thanks everyone...


Joe...

[RiderRick]

Bought a “street legal” EPA and DOT approved 2020 RPS Hawk 250 and had it shipped from Texas. I was impressed with the bike for the money. When I went to title it, I was told it was not registered with the NSTHA (National Safety Transportation Highway Authority). With plates in Front of me, paperwork filled out, the last four words you want to hear from NJMVC are “we have a problem”. Weeks later end result was shipping it back to the vendor who tried to push back. Don’t sell as street legal when they are not!
I still want to get another; can anyone tell me a good Chinese bike that I can title and ride legally in NJ?
Here is a list I found on the link below:https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf.
If anyone can advise it’s appreciated. The Hawk had great reviews, don’t know about the others. Thanks, and for those in the beautiful over regulated state of NJ don’t make my mistake!

[JerryHawk250]

Bought a “street legal” EPA and DOT approved 2020 RPS Hawk 250 and had it shipped from Texas. I was impressed with the bike for the money. When I went to title it, I was told it was not registered with the NSTHA (National Safety Transportation Highway Authority). With plates in Front of me, paperwork filled out, the last four words you want to hear from NJMVC are “we have a problem”. Weeks later end result was shipping it back to the vendor who tried to push back. Don’t sell as street legal when they are not!
I still want to get another; can anyone tell me a good Chinese bike that I can title and ride legally in NJ?
Here is a list I found on the link below:https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf.
If anyone can advise it’s appreciated. The Hawk had great reviews, don’t know about the others. Thanks, and for those in the beautiful over regulated state of NJ don’t make my mistake!
The first problem i see is that list is from 2018. The Hawk DXL came out after that. The Hawk DXL should not be a problem. There should be a NSTHA tag on the bike.

[culcune]

The first problem i see is that list is from 2018. The Hawk DXL came out after that. The Hawk DXL should not be a problem. There should be a NSTHA tag on the bike.

I do not live in NJ (as you know) but from another thread, NJ strictly goes by their 'LIST' even if it's a few years old. I think the problem lies with serial numbers. So, since the RPS bikes begin with a certain serial number, until NJ recognizes the DLX, it will be no go. But, already recognized brands and their serial numbers will allow one to plate newer than 2018 bikes, like the Tao TBR7.

[goJimH]

Steps to Register / Obtain Title in Texas:

1) Get insurance
2) Get bike inspected
3) Take insurance card, inspection certificate, MCO, Bill of Sale and form U130 to county tax accessors office.

It took about 15 minutes and walked out with license plate in hand.

[Joe Schutts]

To:
Originally Posted by RiderRick https://www.chinariders.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?p=348901#post348901)
Bought a “street legal” EPA and DOT approved 2020 RPS Hawk 250 and had it shipped from Texas. I was impressed with the bike for the money. When I went to title it, I was told it was not registered with the NSTHA (National Safety Transportation Highway Authority). With plates in Front of me, paperwork filled out, the last four words you want to hear from NJMVC are “we have a problem”. Weeks later end result was shipping it back to the vendor who tried to push back. Don’t sell as street legal when they are not!
I still want to get another; can anyone tell me a good Chinese bike that I can title and ride legally in NJ?
Here is a list I found on the link below:https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehi...ufacturers.pdf (https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf).
If anyone can advise it’s appreciated. The Hawk had great reviews, don’t know about the others. Thanks, and for those in the beautiful over regulated state of NJ don’t make my mistake!




I clicked on the link for the PDF and is DOES NOT LOAD...

[JerseyTBR7]

I live in New Jersey. The Hawk is a no go of any kind.

I successfully registered a Tao Tao TBR7 in September 2020 with zero issues.

Agreed, they are strict to adhering to the motorcycle manufacturer list. If the first three digits of the bike's VIN are on the list, you are good. Else, no.

Contact the reseller for the first three digits of a VIN on a bike they sell to check. Very simple.

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf

[bikeman]

I live in New Jersey. The Hawk is a no go of any kind.

I successfully registered a Tao Tao TBR7 in September 2020 with zero issues.

Agreed, they are strict to adhering to the motorcycle manufacturer list. If the first three digits of the bike's VIN are on the list, you are good. Else, no.

Contact the reseller for the first three digits of a VIN on a bike they sell to check. Very simple.

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf

for you new jersey guys out there, I just got back from Turnersville MVC who was able to transfer everything over. I got the bike a year and a half ago and registered it in VT initially just to save myself the time, since at the time it was unclear whether or not the carbed hawk 250 is street legal in NJ. Most vendors say that it is not legal in NJ. Furthermore, VIN "L0W" is not on NJ's list of approved manufacturers. EFI hawk is obviously no problem since it has a different VIN.

But anyway, despite conflicting information online, I can confirm that the 2018 Hawk 250 can be titled and registered in NJ.

So, I effectively "washed" the paperwork through VT dmv which might be why it worked. They registered it as a HAO make and CYL model, which was consistent with the VT reg. A friend from the Hawk 250 owners group on facebook registered his at the same location fresh from the MCO document, as a Hawk(make) 250(model). So its possible that the rules have changed, maybe some Covid-related ignorance, im not sure.

[Ryanlee]

How did you all get a notarized MCO? My MCO was not notarized from Powersprotsmax

[bikeman]

How did you all get a notarized MCO? My MCO was not notarized from Powersprotsmax

Does not need to be notarized.

[Joe Schutts]

Fyi...
No issues getting plates in PA for Hawk 250

Purchased from TX Powersports and recieve MCO paperwork.

Brought the following items to the local auto tag place...
- MCO (notarized)
- Receipt from TXPS
- Insurance information
- VIN number
- $250.

Recieved a pink copy of the MV-1 registration form. The original copy of the form went to the PA DMV. Waited 4 weeks. Received a call from the tags place that my plate and registration was in and picked it up.

...super easy
Hi,


I too am from PA., and need to know exactly (WHAT STEPS) you did to get your Hawk 250 Registered here in PA.


The reason I'm asking is that I am considering buying a Venom X22R (from Venom Motorsports for $2300.00) and don't want to waste my money on something I CANNOT DRIVE here in PA.


Also I am here in Harrisburg, where are you located in PA???


Thanks for your help in this matter...


Joe...


:hmm:

[msteele]

Just got my 2020 Hawk 250 tagged and titled in Kansas. The only problem was that they could not find the MSRP in their listing of this bike. It is $1499. (I actually paid $1550, but they needed the MSRP in order to process the MSO.)
Regards to all and thanks for providing this forum.

[Widave]

I can not license and register a rps hawk in Wisconsin. Dmv emailed me said no fed badge on bike no plates/registration

[Britt]

Bike: 2020 Hawk 250 DLX
Seller: Powersportsmax

State: Florida
Registration date: 2021-06

Requirements: motorcycle endorsement on license, Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin, bill of sale, and proof of insurance.
Issues: none, easy peasy
Total cost: about $320 for tax and registration


Notes: insured through Geico. The manufacturer listed on the MCO, 'Liyang', is not an option on Geico's website, so I had to call. The proof of insurance then said 'Liyang' which matched the MCO.

[Ride4all]

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf

[bikeman]

https://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf

Wow. Newly updated for the first time in years. Unfortunately, carb hawk did not make the list. I'm very lucky to have been able to title/reg in NJ but it was always hit or miss at best.

[TyGuy]

Wow. Newly updated for the first time in years. Unfortunately, carb hawk did not make the list. I'm very lucky to have been able to title/reg in NJ but it was always hit or miss at best.

Interestingly, I just saw the the Baodiao bikes (i.e. - the manufacturer of the x22), are now listed as approved for "under 22 mph scooters." I wonder what that means...

This may mean that I got lucky, as well.

[swanpuppy]

Second confirmation for Wisconsin. RPS hawk is a no go due to fed sticker.

[65cabriolet]

Bike: 2021 Hawk 250 (carb. version)
Seller: 360 Powersports

State: Colorado
Registration date: 11/23/2021

Requirements: motorcycle endorsement on license, Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin, bill of sale, and proof of insurance.
Issues: no questions asked :clap:
Total cost: about $230 for tax and registration

Note: Bolt holes in license plate holder are not close enough together for tag to fit, put it on at an angle until I can get home to fix this.

:thanks::D

[su98]

just bought my 2016 CSCTT250 - Pgh Pa
VIN # LZSJCNTxxxxxxxxxxxxx
from the nicest guy on craiglist a few "shops " would not touch to inspect 5/2022
i have been going to the same notary (AAA wanted over 150 nope )
i even had to wait a day for the plate no problem Geico $ 99/ year
no dealer - no jack maggs

[METALMAN329]

ADD me to the LEGALLY REGISTERED HAWK 250 LIST!!!

MASS - Sailed right through the RMV TODAY!

[orangeisnon]

The last comment from a Rhode Islander was two and a half years ago, I'd love to hear if anything has changed in that time. I have an appointment to register my Lifan X-Pect on Friday but I'll have to wait since Orion is dragging their feet on sending the MCO.
Can brand new bikes be registered by mail in Vermont? We've registered old mopeds that way but never anything remotely new. Main concern being inspection - RI will suspend your reg if you don't get inspected.

[orangeisnon]

I was able to register my Lifan X-Pect in Vermont. I spoke with the DMV first to confirm some things:
- You do NOT need to send them the MCO
- They ONLY need the bill of sale signed by you and the dealer, and the registration form signed by you. The dealer signature field on the registration form can be empty
- Lifan bikes have the manufacturing company as the Make on the MCO - not Lifan - but registration was successful using Lifan as the Make and X-Pect as the model
- I was told specifically to use sale price as the tax value, NOT book value as the DMV website states
No issues, it did take roughly two weeks to get my plate, and the registration and stickers takes a bit longer, but so long as I'm legal I'm happy.
Another interesting thing with these is that the NHTSA's website pulls up the VIN as the original manufacturer make/model, while Progressive sees it as a Lifan. Who knows which one your DMV is referencing.

[Texas Pete]

(https://www.atv.com/utvs/what-is-a-utv)https://www.atv.com/utvs/what-is-a-utv


For reference, a UTV is not a dirt bike.


Even the web page you linked states:


Additionally, none of the vehicle categories (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/2021/321.1.pdf) found in the Iowa Motor Vehicle Code can be used to register a UTV for street legal use. Of the possible candidates:


Autocycles are required to have three wheels
Motorcycles cannot have more than three wheels
Low-Speed Vehicles must meet federal LSV qualifications (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/571.500) including a top speed of 25 MPH



Photograph of a UTV:


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[Twowheeler]

I have a Templar X 250 in layaway. Has anyone successfully registered one in Ohio?

[Texas Pete]

https://www.chinariders.net/showpost.php?p=387027&postcount=1

[makats]

It looks like a common pattern for people having issues with registering the Hawks is that the state DMV cannot properly locate the make under which it is certified road legal in the state. Official DOT list has the manufacturer listed as Chongqing Liyang Jiayu Motorcycle Co., Ltd, but different states have the bike listed under different name. My persoal example is with buying a used bike originally titled in Alabama - that title listed the make as LIYANG. When trying to register and title in Florida, the clerk at the tag office informed me that there is no such make of vehicles on the list authorized for road use in FL. Thankfully I camy prepared and had to show the clerk and his manager the DOT certification spreasdheet - it turns out that in FL system the bikes are listed under the CLJM make and once they typed that in it was smooth sailing from there on.

[JimmyLocksmith]

I'm worried about getting a China bike legally road approved by the State Of Louisiana.
I first start off by looking at the insurance options as I know I need this in order to get the registration so I figure if I can't find it on the insurance companies website than it's likely gonna be a headache at the DMV

[JerryHawk250]

I'm worried about getting a China bike legally road approved by the State Of Louisiana.
I first start off by looking at the insurance options as I know I need this in order to get the registration so I figure if I can't find it on the insurance companies website than it's likely gonna be a headache at the DMV

Jimmy, it's pretty easy getting these Chinese bike register in Louisiana. I use Geico for insurance. I did all my bikes online. If for some reason the bike doesn't show up in there system, all you need to do is call them and they will enter it manually. I've insured my Hawk back in 2016, Venom X22R, Venom Ghost and most recently The Lifan KPX 250. On the KPX i had to call them as it was the first one to be registered and insured in the US. Took a couple of minute with the lady on the phone and was insured.

If you are buying from Venom Motorsports they will send all the proper paperwork with the bike so you can register the same day.

[Boatguy]

Jimmy, it's pretty easy getting these Chinese bike register in Louisiana. I use Geico for insurance. I did all my bikes online. If for some reason the bike doesn't show up in there system, all you need to do is call them and they will enter it manually. I've insured my Hawk back in 2016, Venom X22R, Venom Ghost and most recently The Lifan KPX 250. On the KPX i had to call them as it was the first one to be registered and insured in the US. Took a couple of minute with the lady on the phone and was insured.

If you are buying from Venom Motorsports they will send all the proper paperwork with the bike so you can register the same day.

that’s a really cool distinction! You had the first one!

I had the 5th Mini Cooper. I was living in New York City so I needed a pretty small car. Probably the only person to have ever made a profit on a new car. I sold it for more than I bought it for years later.

[Porkrider]

I just got my new Templar X250 licensed in Washington State. No hassle what so ever. Bill of sale and Notorized MSO from XPRO was all that was needed. Both documents showed it as a "MOTORCYCLE".

[angeldraco]

has anyone successfully registered and apollo db 36 in NJ, im getting SD plated but i wanna transfer them to Jersey im not even sure if its possible ev i read says no but some say yes i dont get it. i just mailed everything to SD hopefully they dont give me problems i have the apollo db 36 deluxe headlight blinkers mirrors the whole thing

[Joshua2012001]

Have anyone registered the 2023 Templar X in the state of GA? My tag office is requiring that the Vin# has to be registered in the NHTSA as I saw someone talking about it in a post here long time ago. I saw someone saying that they got their Hawk registered but that it was a back and forth type of thing. I have the bike already insured with progressive since I did it before going to the tag office but I couldn’t find any feedbacks and any law that requires the state of GA to have the Vin # loaded into the NHTSA so I bought the bike and now I have this problem. I’m trying to find a solution to this problem cause I really will like to have this bike street legal even if it is a OHV. I was thinking on going to FL and register the bike there, get the title and everything in my brothers name and than go to the Tag office in GA and try to transfer it to my name but I dont know if whenever I try to transfer the motorcycle back to my name in GA they will give me the same crap with this NHTSA. Its there anyone that can help me or give me some directions with this manner? It will be very much appreciated.

[kyle]

That's why I created a registration concerns page on tbr7.com. Every state, and every jurisdiction is a little different and it helps to find the right information quickly. I feel like we should create something similar for all bikes where people can input what they had to do to get their bikes properly titled: https://tbr7.com/registrations/

[panzer77]

Utah title and registration. In my case, the MSO stated "Motorcycle" and I purchased the Templar X from PSM. The state DMV website states if you purchase from a dealer out of state you will need form TC-661 Certificate of Inspection to verify the VIN. The state also states if it's classified as ORV and you want a license for on-road use you will need to have a safety inspection done. I did both at a local inspection station for $20. Just in case it was in their system as a dirtbike or ORV. At the DMV, they have difficulty finding the manufacturer in the system but she told me they had a method to add one on the fly. They eventually found it but didn't have the model number listed. She was able to add the model on-the-fly. She mentioned the safety inspection wasn't necessary as the MSO was listed as a motorcycle. Tax, title, and license were a little over $300 (no tax on the shipping charge, just the sales price).

Form link TC-661: https://tax.utah.gov/forms/current/tc-661.pdf

[Thumper]

This is crazy. New motorcycles don't need inspection in any State that I know of when you have 0 miles and the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO) with VIN printed on it in hand, and a bill of sale/invoice.

You should not need an inspection to title and register a new motorcycle when you have the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin. VIN verification may be required for out of State vehicles if they are used (Missouri does require this for used vehicles). People have registered new crate bikes in Utah without inspection.

Here are a couple of them:

https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?p=302519&highlight=UTAH#post302519

https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=17919&highlight=UTAH
(within)

[GypsyR]

This is crazy. New motorcycles don't need inspection in any State that I know of when you have 0 miles and the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO) with VIN printed on it in hand, and a bill of sale/invoice.

Ummm..."She mentioned the safety inspection wasn't necessary as the MSO was listed as a motorcycle." I read it as he got it inspected just in case.

[Thumper]

Ummm..."She mentioned the safety inspection wasn't necessary as the MSO was listed as a motorcycle." I read it as he got it inspected just in case.

Oh. I clearly missed that. But the thing about TC-661 is just not true. Used, yes, but NEW with Motorcycle Certificate of Origin (MCO, which all Templars come with), No, not needed:

"The state DMV website states if you purchase from a dealer out of state you will need form TC-661 Certificate of Inspection to verify the VIN"

This only applies to used vehicles. I am sure of it.

Glad panzer77 was successful though.

[Mikd]

Looks like NJ is a no go for registering a Templar, the manufacturer isn't listed in thier database and powersportsmax isn't interested in contacting them to have the name added. My buddy is going through an online registration process through an LLC in Montana. Fingers crossed it all works.

[panzer77]

Oh. I clearly missed that. But the thing about TC-661 is just not true. Used, yes, but NEW with Motorcycle Certificate of Origin (MCO, which all Templars come with), No, not needed:

"The state DMV website states if you purchase from a dealer out of state you will need form TC-661 Certificate of Inspection to verify the VIN"

This only applies to used vehicles. I am sure of it.

Glad panzer77 was successful though.

If you read the first line of the TC-661 it states: Units registered in the State of Utah for the first time (except new units sold by licensed and bonded Utah dealers) must be inspected to verify the vehicle/hull identification number. The safety inspection was not necessary. Both were only $20 so I got it while at the inspection station to avoid a possible 2nd trip to the DMV.

[Thumper]

If you read the first line of the TC-661 it states: Units registered in the State of Utah for the first time (except new units sold by licensed and bonded Utah dealers) must be inspected to verify the vehicle/hull identification number. The safety inspection was not necessary. Both were only $20 so I got it while at the inspection station to avoid a possible 2nd trip to the DMV.

No one likes to be turned away at DMV! That is still crazy since you have an original MCO and Invoice/Bill of Sale walking in. THe MCO is from the manufacturer! You covered that base, wisely.

But based on this post, it may depend on which office you go to. I am not surprised that he got away without the TC form. Some license bureaus are sticklers, others not so:
https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?p=302519&highlight=UTAH#post302519

I am not sure what "come and match the VIN" means, but it sounds like the parking lot at the DMV office. It does not sounds like he took it to State Police inspection station beforehand.

[Aussie_in_MO]

I covered my backside the same way when I registered the Templar X here in MO. Went and got a safety inspection "just in case" because my MCO said Off-Road Motorcycle.
I'd rather take a couple of minutes to visit my favorite sketchy inspection station than wait in line at the DMV and then have to go back again another day because the clerk was having a bad day.

[Thumper]

I covered my backside the same way when I registered the Templar X here in MO. Went and got a safety inspection "just in case" because my MCO said Off-Road Motorcycle.
I'd rather take a couple of minutes to visit my favorite sketchy inspection station than wait in line at the DMV and then have to go back again another day because the clerk was having a bad day.

You must have the State safety inspection if your MCO has "Off-road Motorcycle" in the vehicle type field. I bought two Templars, and had to request a revised MCO from PSM to correct it to "Motorcycle". I registered/plated both (and my Storm) without VIN verification or saftery inspection. Geico insured them. All three were crate bikes shipped from a Dallas suburb.

I think PSM sell more ATVs and pit bikes than bikes with all lights/mirrors/horn... I think some MCO get printed wrong by mistake. They've been great about correcting it for our Templar crowd, and a few Hawk buyers as well.

I am working on adding lights/horn/mirrors to my KTM so I can ride it on the road when I plate it. I am waiting for a title search because the dealer in Minnesota accepted it as a trade in and PO never titled it. My DMV sez it has a "skipped assignment" ! I have the original MCO from KTM North America with multiple assignments on the back. It definitely sez motorcycle for "body type" and should not need safety inspection. I got the ID/OD (VIN verification) at an inspection station since it is technically "used" with less than 1 hour on the hour meter, and from out of State. We will see.

Missouri no longer requires safety inspection on vehicles with less than 150k miles. So I don't need safety inspection when I renew registration on the Storm or the Templar in Missouri.

[Aussie_in_MO]

You must have the State safety inspection if your MCO has "Off-road Motorcycle" in the vehicle type field.


Even that depends on the clerk. The one I worked with didn't even look at the safety inspection and said "oh, you don't need that because the bike is brand new" and she didn't care what the MCO said in the "type" field. As always with the DMV, your mileage may vary!
Hope things work out smoothly on your KTM

[GypsyR]

Looks like NJ is a no go for registering a Templar, the manufacturer isn't listed in thier database and powersportsmax isn't interested in contacting them to have the name added. .

Took me a couple of tries to get "Zuma" added to the South Carolina manufacturer database. You just have to find the right person at the DMV who can and will make it happen. And OMG good luck with that.