Dragon Chopper (3/4 chopper)

[Forklift352]

Hey Bros,
I hope to start a place for people who got one of these bad ass motorcycles.Their is NO support at all.Save here.
To start on my second ride the chain tenchener ripped off.
something I think a pre check first ride could have stopped.
The dealer said they checked it all out :evil: .
The limited adjustments allowed me to get rid of the tenchener
(after taking a link or two out)
Front tire is a 70/70/15 and the rear....205/40/14...imposible
to fined.So I did some MODs on the front fork brace and now have
a 120/70/15.Looks beefy and cool the ride is better to.The rear tire
as well as front had lumps in it so at 40 mph it would hop like mad.
I got a BFGoodrench Drag radial coming Wed.I hope this helps
(205/50/14) Ill post more latter
I got a 15T drive sprocket I think I would like to go right to 17T
I think I got a Lyfan clone :roll: ...163FML so.....
I saw the chart for compatibility....so do I order a drive sprocket
from all of them and see what fits????
I ll add more latter got to go to work at 2am.

[katoranger]

I believe my bike has the same engine. The 17T sprocket you find in the dual sport parts section should work fine. It will give you some more top end speed.

I want to see some pics of the bike with the BFG installed.

Allen

[Forklift352]

Ok,
I got the rear tire on! It took 150+psi. :twisted: to get it to beed up!
All lights are on and working.Rear fender is on and 90% done.
I just have to paint it. Will get picks up soon.Still looking for a 17t
drive sprocket.

[tigertamer]

That's what we like to hear from you, Brother!

Keep pluggin',
Tigertamer

[Forklift352]

Ok,
I got the rear fender painted, a black Dragon green 8)
My noligy hot wire should be here Thur the 25th
I got to take the rear wheel off and replace 4 rubber bushings
that I have no idea where to find.Annnnnnnnd Sat. Dad is comeing
over with camcorder.Pics. just aint enuf :lol: .I want to get a youtube
on this thing.Still looking for 17t drive sprocket.Ill call Bruce again.

[Forklift352]

Got my Noligy Hot wire on.....seems to hit harder. Deff.throtel responce
improved.My Idle seems to still dance from 1500 to 1700.For the 50.00
Deff. a nice upgrade.

[nabsport]

:lol: Hey its about freakin time!!Hey fofklift I also have one and i live here in florida.great to see someone else besides me got one.I ride mine daily and i too have had my fare share of issues.Nothing major just hardware mostly.but if you find a sproket you'll have to pass on the knowlege.As for recent mods i went up from a 108 to a 10 and now i'm at 12.5 on the secondary jet in the carb jets cost me $10 at a local KTM dealer.it does have more but i think it needs a bigger carb altogether i think its 30mm and a 32 would be a good upgrade.Least thats wat i hear.But hey if you have anymore questions pm me.

[Forklift352]

Well I changed the main jet from 96 to 105.I also took the little "clip"
from the second "notch" from the bottom all the way down to the last
"notch."Definitely runs and hits very nice.Pulls a little harder as well.
I definitely need to check my valves.

[CoolWhip2Go]

Got my Noligy Hot wire on.....seems to hit harder. Deff.throtel responce
improved.My Idle seems to still dance from 1500 to 1700.For the 50.00
Deff. a nice upgrade.

Glad to hear about your positive experience with the Nology HotWires! Well worth the $50 wasn't it?? BTW, where did you pick it up at?? Be sure to get the Nology Silver plug also. It works hand in hand with the HotWires.

[Forklift352]

Ill do it !!! But I just got a NGK plug 3 weeks ago.So Ill wait till info
comes in on the coil and get both.
So.......while taking my carb apart I saw what looked like "rustdust"
or maybe dirt.I cleaned out the carb with carb cleaner but 2 days latter
I took it apart and It was starting again.Looking at the air filter I see
that it is like "gawes."Very Very see through.I got a air filter comeing
But I cant help but wonder If the gas is rusting out my tank.
Here in Oregon it is law that moonshine must be added to the fuel
at 10%.So Im hopen that its just dirt and the air filter will fix.
If any body has info on this let me know.....how would you know your
tank is rusting????

[CoolWhip2Go]

Do you have a fuel filter on?? If not, install one, then clean out your carb really well. Try switching gas. Maybe when you filled up, the station just received their gas and it stirred up all the crud in the bottom of their tanks.

As for your air filter, take it out, clean it well, make sure it's dry, then re-oil it with K&N Oil or any other good quality air filter oil.

You can drain your tank into a gas container and then use a flashlight to try to look in your tank. I don't really see how you can "look" into the tank much to see if it's rusting, but you can try to do a visual with a strong flashlight. You won't be able to see the bottom of the tank though. :-(

I know that DennisKirk sells something that allows you to "coat" your tank to stop rust, etc.

Let me know how it goes.

[Forklift352]

First, I got the hot wire from Noligy
And yes I got a new fuel filter yesterday so will see about that.
Filter due today its not a K&N.But it looks kool.....we will see.
Thanks for the tip on spraying my filter.Is not a K&N but that might
have helped.And Ill drain tank after all fails and coat with that
Denies Krook stuff. :)
Well shoot I cant fined a flash light I could probably just use a lighter 8)

[CoolWhip2Go]

First, I got the hot wire from Noligy
And yes I got a new fuel filter yesterday so will see about that.
Filter due today its not a K&N.But it looks kool.....we will see.
Thanks for the tip on spraying my filter.Is not a K&N but that might
have helped.And Ill drain tank after all fails and coat with that
Denies Krook stuff. :)
Well shoot I cant fined a flash light I could probably just use a lighter 8)

That's cool. Did you order it from Jeff Klein?? He's a good guy and will help you with any questions you might have.

As for coating your filter, only coat it if it's a gauge type of filter. I haven't heard of anyone coating a SS one, so I don't think that'll work if that's the type you got.

[nabsport]

First, I got the hot wire from Noligy
And yes I got a new fuel filter yesterday so will see about that.
Filter due today its not a K&N.But it looks kool.....we will see.
Thanks for the tip on spraying my filter.Is not a K&N but that might
have helped.And Ill drain tank after all fails and coat with that
Denies Krook stuff. :)
Well shoot I cant fined a flash light I could probably just use a lighter 8)hey forklift i pm'd ya but anyway did you find out anything on the sprocket?Also you know what i didn't even adjust my needle(think i should?)

[SpeedSouth]

No pics yet? 8O

I thought for sure we'd get to drool over this by now! :wink:

[Forklift352]

I know I know I suck!! my technology for that sort of thing needs
to be upgraded.But soon Ill get it up!!
As for the needle adjustment It helped a lot...However so did a 105 main
jet.(I would like to see a DIY on the other jets!!! :P )Now as the main jet
gets bigger to the point of running to rich you would want to reverse that
mod(take clip up a notch or two)I didn't realise how lean I was running.
So 105 main jet and needle mod seem to work great,as well as a hot
wire!!!!The way I see it because of the hot wire I might bump to a
108 :twisted:

No, no front 17T 20mmx17mmx5mm sprocket yet I got to put that on hold.
Because of the Jack shaft I would have to get two 17T 17mmx14mmx?
The last time I ordered a sprocket from scooterparts4less(good inventory)
they don't have inner diameter tooth size so I got one that don't fit.
As soon as I get the jet thing and air filter Will focus on sprockets :twisted:

[SgtScorpion]

Hello,
Just wanted to jump in this conversation. I just got a 3/4 dragon chopper....or what ever name they sell them under. I just got mine street legal ! The plate came from Penn DOT, i just need it inspected yet.
I've done some mods too but nothing extrem to the engin. I've had to re-wire it twice now and I'm going for my third. I've noticed the wire connectors suck and come lose. So far my left turn signal has stopped working 3 times now because of the connection.
I will be taking your suggestion on the wheels. Did you buy them online or direct. Please let me know where and how !!!!!

[Forklift352]

Hey Bro,
Its good to hear from other people that have a Dragon Chopper!
I got mine about 2 mo. ago and it has been a wild ride!!!
First I have wired and rewired my rear lights somany times I couldent
give a #.Mostly because I would fined free or cheep lights and try
to put them on.That is a mistake......Spend the money and get good
lights.Iv poored over the net and local stores and gave some good
long thought about light configuration.You should to.If you need to
get it inspected your hight on thease things will make them "gig"
you on any and all things....starting with lights!The path I took was
Buying DOT approved lights and passing inspection.The DOT are
relitvly cheep but look like POO!Then I got the sweet lights(that are
3x brighter than the DOT :roll: )But cost!
About Tires....You will fined none that fit :evil: What I did was "hogged"
1/4 in.+/- deep at the middle of the lower fork brace and put on a Maxis
scooter/motorcycle tire (Dimz.120/70/15)($55.00)
On the rear a BFGoodrich Drag raidle(Dimz.205/50/14 :) )(130.00)
Before you bye the back tire stay tooned their is very inportant info
that you need to know but I have no time right now.
My lunch is over so when I get home Ill share more :twisted:
Forklift

[Forklift352]

Ok,
As for the rear tire,it took 150+ psi.My dad is a truck mechanic
And when 75 psi didn't work then 100 all the way up to 130 dad
said much more could either blow the tire or worse the rim. I told
him it don't matter If I cant got this tire on it better blow something up :lol: .(then I would get a 15 in.rear wheel and have a whole world
of options!!!Now with a car tire on the rear It rides a little weird :)
It will not "role" side to side as easily as a moto tire.It will want to
"shift"from its 3 points of contact.(left "edge",Mid flat area,right edge)
If now you have become proficient riding the chopper you will have
no problem.The nice thing about a car tire it corners like a cougar
(once you get it "rolled"up on the edge)It kind of feels"ghostly"
but it works very well and with both tires adds a more aggressive look :twisted:
Now I have been told if I had gone wider it would have caused
more of an ark and looked more moto and performance would have
increased.So when (more like if)the tire wares out Ill try it.
Some other tire options would be Mickey Thomsons.
Also adding the rear car tire you will need to FAB.a fender!!!!
So far a list of mods/repairs
1.Jack shaft mod with no chain tenchener(will be upgrading soon)
2.ALL new lights (head light,turn,running ect....)
3.front/rear tire
4.FAB rear fender
5.rewire main 5 wire trunk from mid chopper to rear
6.new sealed bearings for front and rear wheels (BITCH)well the rear
was not so bad
7.4 new honda "koosh"bushings(check your rear sprocket if it wiggles
you should do this repair ASAP PM for part#
8.Theirs prob.more I'm forgetting but lets just say I know my Dragon
inside and out :P
Let us all try to add more info to this thread and limit PM
that way info is passed more freely :twisted:

Forklift
7.

[Forklift352]

PS to get an idea how the tires look go to mobstylechoppers.com

under the gallery sec.
Lifan moto.net or com.will have the Hot wire for sale(cheapest)
Check out the hot wire I got one I love it
And no I'm not a post whore :)

[Jim]

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11157805/150cc_Dragon_Chopper.jpg

This it?

[SpeedSouth]

And no I'm not a post wh--- :)

3 in a row...that gets you a nomination, at least! :)

Hint: There is an edit button.

[CoolWhip2Go]

And no I'm not a post wh--- :)

3 in a row...that gets you a nomination, at least! :)

Hint: There is an edit button.

Guess I'm the post wh---.... :lol: Sorry if you guys think I am...

[Forklift352]

Yes,Jim that is a pic of the Dragon chopper in its infant stage :lol:

[Jim]

How are the triple clamps? With a steep rake like that I would be worried about them, being made out of Chinese metal and all...

What do they look like with that big X shaped plastic (or ?) piece off, the one near the swing arm pivot.

[Forklift352]

Swing arm pivot HahhaHAHAHHHAAHAHHAHA!
Sorry man I'm not laughing at you!
It is a hard tail so yes watch out for pot holes.
So far the fork is holding up fine. At some point I will prob.
upgrade.
The first mod I did was take off the plastic "X"
she looks a little naked but I got plans

[Jim]

Right sorry, chopper, hard tail as a feature, heh, my bad... You knew where I was talking about though ;)

I thought it might look better without the "X" :) You will have to get a picture up...

Look at www.photobucket.com to upload to, if you have a picture on the computer...

It's not the forks I was worried about, so much as the front side of the triple clamp, on my bike anyways it isn't all that thick, and it seems like there would be a lot more stress on it on this bike.

[Forklift352]

Well Believe it or not the head tube that the forks clamp to is
probably the "beefiest" part of the frame.(thank God)
The triple clamps are also purdy beefed.

[Jim]

Good to hear :)

[SpeedSouth]

Guess I'm the post wh---.... :lol: Sorry if you guys think I am...

I'm really just giving you a hard time, but the edit button is useful. :)


I want to see it w/o that X cover (or whatever it is) as well. I think that would be the first thing I'd want to change. Looks aren't THAT important to me, but the X looks out of place, somewhat.

[SgtScorpion]

Okay, im kinda done for this year with my chopper. I might do some small stuff. No inspection yet, thats next weekend. but here are some pictures

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[Forklift352]

Oh!! Rock on man!!
You and I have about the same mirrors.
were did you get the license plate bracket?
Its looken good.Thanks for the picks!!
I got a cable for my camara so soon Ill get a pic or 2 up.

[SgtScorpion]

Almost 90% of the extras are from ebay ! LMAO The bracket i got from Mobstyle choppers . com . They charge 50.00 including shipping and handling. But I after I got it I figured I could have made it. I got a chrome dress up kit from ebay, its plastic chrome, but it works great. The break light and turn signals are LED from ebay. The leds were an easy hook up - ebay too. The side tins i made myself, the paint is safety reflective gray . We are redoing the tins to be longer to cover more of the front area and back.

I rode it all day today, without inspection (dont tell on me ) and found I have to re adjust the chain again.

If you notice we dropped the forks down some in the tree to make it handle better. Looking for a slightly bigger front tire to equal it out. Did you notice all the original tires say "not for highway use"? I hope during inspection they dont notice it !

Did you change your front fender? If so what did you use ?

[SpeedSouth]

Thanks for the pics! :)

She looks good. I like that side cover better than the X.

What kind of ground clearance does it have? Did you have any trouble when riding it around? Curbs, speedbumps, ect?

[SgtScorpion]

I hated those "x's" i never even put them on. I have 3"of clearance. Lets just say you feel every bump in the road. Its fun though, I don't think I would ever take it over a major road though. I'm just going to use it as a suped up road legal scooter.[/quote]

[Qingdao]

If any body has info on this let me know.....how would you know your
tank is rusting????

Kreem tank sealer. This stops all rust then seals the tank completly. Kinda like making a smaller plastic tank inside of your mettal one.

[Forklift352]

Ya,
Thanx man I think Ill get some this week.I would recommend
All Dragon owners to take off the carb "bell" and look for a
big old pile of rust.I have a hunch we should all be getting the
fuel tanks lined :evil:

[Forklift352]

I was dicken around with my carb and took a test ride....my air/fuel
mix screw fell out :( !!Walked 1/2 mile both ways cant fined it.
All moto shops here are closed Mon. So Tue. I hope to get one orderd.
A good sight for some parts is Scooterparts4less.com.Stay away from
the carbon fiber air filter!!! It looks cool and I put it on with some
rubber plumbing fixtures.I had it set soooooo sweet as to get a ram
air afect.Alas it dont have enuf filter serface for 200cc so it bogs down. :(
The larg drive sprockets(20mm x 17mm x 4mm)are just that.
they dont list if its 4mm or 5mm.We need the 5mm.However I think
the 17mm x 14mm x ? will fit the jack shaft.I have some on order
should be here Wed.or so.Our back sprocket is 36t at some point I
will try a 34.But at this time Im trying 17t drive and 17t jack shaft.
I also have a K&N filter comeing will be here on the 7th.
I got a 4in. and is most likely to long for fitting underneath.But
again I plan to set it up for Ram air.

[SgtScorpion]

I want to keep my air filter....so far so good. But I want to give it the 90 degree turn. Scooterparts4less is out of stock. I noticed yesterday the nut for the chain tightener came off (the one where the two chains meet) I got a bottle of lock tighner so I will be going over all that.
Have you changed your exhaust ? I want to run mine to the side but I dont have a pipe bender.

[Forklift352]

Ya, I'm going to do that to.But I'M going to wait till I do some engine
work before I switch up my pipes.Orrrrrr I may try so shuva v-twin
in their. :twisted:

[SgtScorpion]

Completly off topic...............Are you and I the only ones on here that own one of these bikes ? :idea:

[Forklift352]

I think their is one more fella on here.I know there is a guy
that lives close by me.We talked once.I'm sure we will meet up
soon and I tell him about chinariders.It wont be long as people
search for more info on these rides they will end up here.As you
probably know doing a search on parts and stuff yields very little. :cry:
so I'm hoping to be ready for all ?.I know Iv spent hours =days
working on my ride,asking ? of people who know motorcycles,e-shopping
ect,ect,ect.I'm doing this to help the poor sucker who gets one of these
and thinks it will last a life time :lol: sadly it is a great platform to start
from but soon will need mods,repairs,and some custom work
that can only come from imagination :twisted:

[VinceDrake]

So, just a couple of questions for you guys...

--Max Speed? Comfortable speed?
--Do they handle worth anything?
--What's the lean angle like, overall?
--Open exhaust or China-mufflator?

Thanks, I'm kind of more curious than anything, although at my height, I would assume they're a no-go...

--Vince

[Forklift352]

Max speed 65.3 MPH (flat at 9000 rpm)
You would have to practise. Any chopper takes practise.
With stock tires not bad you can get around corners.
But with the tires I got ,you can get a mean lean.
Straight pipes baby nice and loud!!!
I'm 6 ft. it gets a little uncomfortable after 20 mi.(butt wise)
It don't look to small on me
I got it out of necessity. I have an 06 Honda civic Si and it takes
supper unleaded.Gas was 4.79 a gal. and to fill up was about 58.00
a week.I don't want another car payment(5000.00+for a motorcycle)
And I don't want a "scooter" under powered and kinda sissy looking.
this was different and able to customize.And the chicks dig it!! :lol:
Now its 5.00 a week back and forth to work.I don't drive on the
freeway but it is a goal (gun range is 28 mi.away)Then I would save
a lot on gas.Sad thing is super gas is down to 3.60 a gal. :roll:

[Forklift352]

Ok,
I got the K&N filter to day (PT# R-0011) it is 4 in.long and has a 40 deg.
bend :) .It fits!!!! A little tight.When sitting on bike you will want it to
face down and a little to the left :lol: .That Kreem tank stuff came today.
I got the 3 part prosess.(clean/rust remove,water remove,liner) I will
get back to you all on that(saving it for a rainy day)
One more thing about the filter,you will need the spray oil before install.
I hope to day that my carb and sprockets come in.I got the
20mm x 17mm x 4mm.Im going to hogg it out a little so it will fit.
I also got 2ea. 17mm x 14mm x ? for the jackshaft.Soooooo we will see.
That is all :twisted:

[nabsport]

:lol: Hey Forklift nice going.And to everyone else hello!I believe it was Sgtscorpion that asked "are you and I the only ones with these bikes?"Nope I have one too!As for light problems go ,I haven't had any but I do want to change the ones that came on it.I recently had a fiasco with the chain tensioner so I removed it.I even had a link removed from it to take up the slack but couldn't get it to fit so I had to adjust the jack shaft to help out.So far so good but I think I will eventually cut out the plate the tensioner bolted to so the chain wont rub it.Anyway,Fofklift in what you said about the primary jet(small one)I have been told to leave it and to focus on the secondary(big one)But man keep me posted on how that new filter set up works!Its been a blessing to meet more owners(Dammit if only you lived near j-ville fl) :cry:Hope to hear from you all soon.Oh yeah I too have picks but don't know how to post.

[Forklift352]

Hello again nabsport
Well I did it!!! I got a drive 17t sprocket from scooterparts4less(20x17x4)
and 2 17t 17x14x?.On the Drive sprocket I hogged it out a little.Then I
Had to hog out a little off the engine :twisted: The 17x14x? fit just fine!!!So that
was easy :) .I got an air/fuel screw and I am up and running.
The test ride:Take off is fast just the way you would like it!!!
How ever when I get to 4th gear my top speed is only 60 and RPM is
at 5/6000......Don't Know why it wont go to 9000???I should be able
to hit 70+MPH.Any thoughts????Maybe bigger or smaller jet???
Annnnnd the K&N filter is a winner!!!! Looks and acts like a champ!!!
More later
Well just got off the phone with Bruce at EJ cycles(that guy rocks!!!)
Good news is I may need a bigger jet and I should be able to top out
Bad news is JT sprockets don't make the 20x17x5 drive any more :evil:
I got 2 ea 20x17x4 and I would be willing to mod any one who wants
to go to the next level.But first Ill try a bigger jet and give a report.

Well it looks like the FML163 engine don't have enuf "ooph"
I put in a 108 jet and cant get past 6000 RPM/65 MPH :evil:
But the 17t fits so I can adjust the chain with the jack-shaft :)
Take offs are stronger and you don't have to wined it out to get speed
to shift.Also I get to 55 MPH in 3rd.So 4th gear isnt so high RPM at 55 :)

[nabsport]

:D Hey man that's great to hear.BTW,I hear you keep mentioning engine rpms as if you have a tach installed.(if so hook me up as to how you did it) :wink:Anyway,is your bike 4sp or 5sp?(mines 5spd)As for that 105 jet you are running,dump it!I am basically stock and I hit sixty with no problem.Funny thing is,mine CAME with a 108 in it and it struggled to do 55mph!I now rock a 112.5 but I have heard elsewhere on this forum of guys with the sport bike versions using 114 but I think their climate is a factor.Well enough about that Forklift,you and i need to talk about that sprocket.if what you're sayin is true,I should be able to cruise 60-65 which is pretty much my goal.Oh and more ass padding :?Need pics though so"hook it up mane"

[SgtScorpion]

Does any one got a quick fix or and ideas on how to make that plastic seat a little better on the backside ? I was looking at gel seats but they are pricey.

[Forklift352]

I was looking at gel as well. I think ebay has some cheep ones.
I was also looking at a new seat.I'm still looking at diff. makes and mod.
of motorcycles to see if one would cross applicate.As you probably
noticed they aint cheep.I may just make one my self.Or take my
plastic saddle to a furniture upholsterer.

[SgtScorpion]

I was going to try bobber springs at the bottom and modify the bolts but the plastic won't hold up to the stress, and it gives the seat an ugly lift. It takes away from that smooth flow of the shape.
I could take the cover off the plastic and glue gel wrist pads for the computer on there. Its a cheap way out. and then put the cover back on.

[Forklift352]

Hey Nabs,
Sorry I missed your last post :oops: .Anyway I have a kick ass speedo/
tach/temp.It rocks :twisted: .Is called the Vapor I got the universal one.
About the 4/5 speed sadly I have the 4 speed push rod ver.My main jet
was 98 stock.I could hit 60 MPH with all forward gears a 15t.I then went
to a 105 and hit 64MPH.But that was at 9000 RPM.With the 17t at 4th gear
I get about 64 MPH at 5/6000 RPM.I cant get any more power out of it :evil: .I will try to add a tooth or two on the back end.I want to get 65
at 8000 RPM I don't think we will be able to get much more out of it.
As for the seat at one time I had 2 large springs at the rear and 2 sm.
springs at the front.It did work I took them out because is looked out
of place.Now I have larger tires I could MOD my design and I will post
a DIY on how to :) It should look fine.

By the way I bumped jet up to 108 no diff.Ill try 112 soon and see.
Weather is getting poopy and when I MOD ill want to test soooooo
we will see.

Well I got all my pics. on photobucket but when I serch Dragon Chopper
they dont come up :evil:

[Forklift352]

http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq91/Forklift352/th_Dragonchopper016.jpg (http://s437.photobucket.com/albums/qq91/Forklift352/?action=view&current=Dragonchopper016.flv)
You can see more pics. of my ride in the photo album.Ill add more vid
tonight :) CLICK ON PIC. FOR VIDEO :)

[Qingdao]

WOW I love it. That is a BIG tire. :D :D :D

[SgtScorpion]

dude ! how do you turn that puppy !?!?!? Looks fat and mean though ! I'm next ! HAHAHAHA

[Forklift352]

So what did you all think of the vid?
To turn aint so bad....You just got to know when you want to turn(sharp)
And at that moment lean and gas.when you lean you will get up on
the "edge" of the tire.And their is much less foot print and then its
like turning a bicycle :lol:

[nabsport]

:P Well its good to hear from you all again.Bitchin picture Forklift!I hear ya on the 4spd though.but yeah you might try a 110 jet BEFORE you do the 112.5 just cause it may work since you're probably at a higher altitude :?: Anyway I need more info on those guages so I can see about gettin rid of this speedo and start really know what the engine is really doing.Oh yeah and before I forget,where do I get the sprocket for the rear?What you have should work for me especially with the extra gear.Well I just ordered the plug wire from NOLOGYso I'll try and post up pics when I can.And as for the seat,(butt padding)I want to know the same thing.I just don't have the funds to experiment thoug

[Forklift352]

Click on the pic. for video.My speedo is called Vapor you should
be able to google it.
My rear sprocket is stock (36t)I haven't changed it (yet :twisted: )
My drive and jackshaft sprockets are all 3 17t.I was toying with the
idea of keeping the drive 17t and the jackshaft back to 15t :twisted:
Me thinks that I would have insane take off power but low top end.

[Lil-John]

I have the same chopper, and mine is bone stock. i weigh 130, and am 5'9" and have hot rodded 70 out of it. this lil thing rocks. when i got it the guy told me it was a 4 speed, but just for shits and giggles, i tried upshifting when i woulnd out fourth and it hit 5th no problem, poured on the gas and 70 was easy, but got skeered, and ass lagged and let off of it. i am amazingly happy with this lil bike ( mine was called a scorpion btw) and with the current tn law, should be able to tag it with no problems. Got rid of the x's from the sides, never put them on. but am interested in what you guys think about side covers, and other cosmetics. seems like i am getting better out of stock than with mods mechanically, so i think imma leave it for now. and a bottle of locktite, and a good wrench are a good idea. wish i could post pix, but don't know how

[Forklift352]

Welcome Lil-John,
Good to hear that you get 70 mph!!! I was hoping to at some point
get 80.But at 6' 220 I don't think that will happen.......Yet :twisted:
Now,are you going 70 MPH on that POS speedo?My speedo was a
real POS.Maybe yours is different.Mine would say 80 mph when
doen 50 :lol: .Just so you know them tires are not very good....
I hit a pot hole or 2 and a belt in the tires broke.I would hop like mad
at 35/40.And at WOT.....well lets just say my eye balls finally stopped
shaken :P With you I think that makes 4 of us Soooooo cool!!!
Check your gas tank it will rust soon :roll: .And you should look
at better lights.About Pics.I wasn't to savvy about that either.But
If you got a dig.camera and a way to down load to your computer,
photobucket worked out easily.Let me know if you got them 2 things
and Ill help you best I can :) IE:cable from camera to comp.,your memory
chip can fit in your comp.or,I got a plug in adapter that my chip fit in to.
I think you should get a NGK spark plug if you still have stock.It will
make a world of diff. :wink:

[Lil-John]

yeah, my tires are still the stockers, but still have the nubs on them so until something happens i will just roll them on, and yeah its the stock speedo but i know it is right at 55 mph, cuz i had a friend of mine following me. i have a bunch of pix of me riding it on the computer, and on another site just dont know how to get them on here. gimme your email, and i will send them to you to do as you wish. the tank had some damage from shipping (pretty big dent) and i have another coming in, and will coat it like is stated before i even put it on, until then, will just run it like it is, checked, and no rust yet, and carb is clean so its all right. only real adjustment i have made is to tighten the chain (move jackshaft back then adjust on the rear) i guess i just got lucky to have gotten a good one from the factory. i really like this lil bike and as things break or wear out i will begin my journey with you guys to rod this lil thing out

[SgtScorpion]

Hey Forklift....checked my gas tank and guess what I have rust along the seam and near the rivets inside the gas tank. And mine is 3 months old now. So i guess I have a winter project.

I found your speedometer using Google, it is 115 and will work with the cable wire we have already. I will include the link next time. I'm trying to get a headlight just like yours but the are pricey for now. I was also thinking of putting two headlights upfront. I made a plate for it and had my uncle chrome it for me. The plate will allow for two head lights and the front turn signal to be attached to it.

I cut my lower foot pegs down by an inch to allow more turning lean space. It makes them even with the upper control foot pegs so it evens up the look.

[Forklift352]

Yea,
I need to cut mine down....or just keep going till I scrap em' down :twisted: The headlight that I got only one side is on at one time
I got the "wide"side for low beam and small side for high.A fella emailed
me with a place that sells the oem tires but its just an email address.
Revsilla I think its called is were I got my 3 step tank clean and liner
Today I got a new tank its "agent orange."This winter I will sand blast
and paint same color as my fender "Black Dragon Green" 8) And line
it as well.....Man I cant wait till next summer!!!!
Lil-John you may have got the pick of the litter!!!! I know I got the runt
But for now I got the Dragon tamed :lol:

[Lil-John]

Sounds like you have turned yours around to make it the bad dog of the litter though, can hardly wait (almost) for stuff to start breaking down to start customizing mine

[katoranger]

POR15 is a good product for sealing tanks also.

Allen

[Forklift352]

Thanks Lil-John
We are all here for ya!

[Lil-John]

I think i got this thing figured out, here are some pix of me & my Scorpion

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e1.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e2.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e3.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e4.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e5.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e6.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e7.jpg

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/liljohnhurt/e8.jpg

[Forklift352]

Good job!!! Looks good!!!You fit that thing perty good.
Ill have to for go a pic of me on mine at 6' It looks a little small on me :lol:

[Forklift352]

Good job!!! Looks good!!!You fit that thing perty good.
Ill have to for go a pic of me on mine at 6' It looks a little small on me :lol: Annnnnnnnd before any one says any thing were is your helmet? :P

[Lil-John]

My helmet is inside the house there, lol. All of these pix were taken at around 10 mph, along the drag right in front of my house. not much chance for a colission

[Forklift352]

I know I'm just jurk'en your chain :lol:Helmet laws FTMFL :twisted:
Although I would always were one....just like I always were my seatbelt
and I don't let my gun show in public :roll:

[DDG1976]

I'm starting to like these little choppers alot! I was thinking they were tiny minibike type things, but I geuss I was wrong. Let me know how getting it registered goes or (went). By the way how tall are you?

[Forklift352]

I got mine at a local dealer and had them Reg.....24 hours later had
the reg. and plate :twisted: . It may cost a little more at the stealership
but haveing them reg. is priceless.Im 6' 220 lbs. it dont look tooooo
small 8) .

[DDG1976]

Well I'm 5'8'' and 175lbs. Which I'm about to convert to metric LOL. I boxed golden gloves for 11 years so most of it's still muscle. I was just wondering if I would look wierd on it. I might plan a Saturday trip to somebody close (within 250 miles) if I can find somebody on here or a dealer close enough to let me sit on it. I really want to find a frame amd modify it myself. Being a welder that part of me kinda takes over and I start thinking about cutting the down tube and making more rake and so on..............

[Forklift352]

I would like to say IMHO,it don't matter! 50% of people who see it will say
"thats frigen cool!"50% will say "look how low that thing is!"
I wanted a raked out chopper but didn't have 25,000 to fined out its a
Bitch to ride.Or worse dump the thing and roll around with a scared up
25,000 chopper.Hence the Dragon Chopper! Well under 2 G's, a kick
in the pants ride, fun to MOD and customise and did I mention...... the ladies!Oh how they like to pet the Dragon!
I got my eye on the chopper of my dreams,but it will have to wait
till then I will" frolic in the autumn mist in a land called Honalee!"
Maybe by then Ill kick it down to my son :P ........NOT!

By the way I think Lil-John is 5'8"????
And hes look'en good on it.

[Lil-John]

I am 5'9", and weigh in at 130 lbs. i am not a big guy by any means, but that just makes me look better on it. it is a 3/4 chopper. not full sized, but just as long as a full size chopper, no great big motor, only 200 cc, but make sure you get the 5 speed, and the seat is just 20 or 22 inches off the ground. but it is a blast to ride. i have been riding mine every day since i got it. and registration isn't that hard, called yesterday, and the only thing i have to get before i register mine is a pair of rear view mirrors.

[SgtScorpion]

Damn forklift all poetic.....BUT THE TRUEST STATEMENT I EVER HEARD ON THE DRAGON CHOPPER!!!!
She is fun, cheap, and everyone likes to look at her. But she is mine....get your own LMAO. Yes there should be more parts directly sold for this market (like the tires ). But moding is as fun as the riding. You truely make the Dragon yours by doing so. And you don't have to get too crazy. Just a little here and there, a little engin work, a little dress-up, and a little fix-up, and she is YOUR machine.

I just wish we can get more owner's here, that have it street legal and rollin'.

[Forklift352]

Keep this under hat......I met a guy who might have a line on...
you will never gess......TURBO..yep.Rumer has it that its like 1psi :lol:
He is going to send a link........stay tuned :twisted:

[Jim]

There was a custom turbo project at lifan-moto.com for a lifan 200 III

[Forklift352]

Did it ever pan out???
edit:I just read the post and with the thumper 200cc it didn't do
much so it was abandoned or shelved till the 400cc comes out.
However...I spotted a 12v electric turbo it looks like a simple bolt on
I try to do more research.

[mikejonesvault]

I am planning on buying one of these choppers soon, the 5 speed model. I plan on changing to the lights to leds and going with the digital gauge as well.

Have you looked at anything as far as peformance goes? I have seen performance CDI's for sale. What about the mods described here: http://www.lifan-moto-forum.com/YaBB.pl?num=1216255583/0
Is that the same 200cc motor? How many teeth are on your stock rear sprocket, a similar mod might work.


Edit: after looking around I realize that the 4 speed and 5 speed choppers have different motors, the 4 putting out 13 hp and the 5 putting out 16.1. Are either one of these motors identical to the one found on the LF200?

[Forklift352]

I know mine is the 4 sp. and it has the pushrod.Others have the over
head cam.With,I believe,any of these china bikes it could be either or
as well it may be a lifan clone :( .My rear sprocket is a 36t and at one
time my drive and jackshaft were 15t.(now 17t all 3)From what I under
stand the pushrod ver. has good low end tork and the overhead cam
has got more top end.My Tach. read 9000 at top end so I guess I could
get a "racing" CDI.But some said their would be little dif.I will prob
get one next summer.Im still toying with the idea of putting a totally
diff.engine.Something Honda and about 400cc :twisted: I already got upgrade plans for the jackshaft.

Any body got a manual. I did not get one and if you could post it in the
Manual sec. that would be sweet!

[Jim]

Do you have the engine numbers?

[Forklift352]

It says FML163......no -2 it is the pushrod ver.I think mine is a clone.

[DDG1976]

The difference between the 163FML and the 163FML-2 is counterbalancing. The 163FML doesn't have the counterbalanced crank. You can tell by it having a bump out on the front of the crankcase that has some fins on it. This is the 163FML-2


http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc344/dgates1976/m_61f4b315808aec4a9d6175ad1670a0-1.jpg

[Forklift352]

So what manual would work??

[DDG1976]

They are both pushrod engines, the 163FML-2 is just the version that came in 2008 model American Lifans after enough complaints about vibration. The engines are identical other than the counterbalancing on the crank. So, as far as manual, If you have a 163FMl, you could go with the manual for a AL LF200GY-2. If you have the163FML-2 You could use the manual for a AL LF200GY-5 or GY-6

[Forklift352]

Thanks Man! :)

[mikejonesvault]

Since the stock rear sprocket is a 36t, dropping a few teeth will give you a more comfortable top end cruise and some speed. scooterparts4less sells a racing cdi, a few carbs, etc. that may also work. I am interested to see which parts do/don't fit on this chopper.

[katoranger]

You will want to do a search in the dual sport on the racing CDIs before you buy. They are not for everyone.

Most of the standard performance tricks will work with these also.

Allen

[Jim]

I thought it was counter balanced only if it was a 2M, and the 2 wasn't counter balanced?

[Forklift352]

Ok....I don't even have a 2 :) However I do have a "bump" and "fins"
on my engine.So am I to believe I have a counter balance?
Iv been reading up on CDI'z.And their is a thread on how a CDI with
advanced timing aaaaaand little to no rev.limiter will add to existing mods
Now I just got to fined my CDI :lol: With so many being available this
might be hit or miss thing which could get costly.But Ill give it a shot.
Im planing on getting a bigger engine so I don't mined slapping this one
around :twisted:Oh look Iv attained the rank of cool boy :o 8)

[mikejonesvault]

I would love to throw the 250cc 2 cylinder on there, but it looks like it makes the same peak horsepower as the 200cc and weighs more. Worth the extra cash and weight?

[SgtScorpion]

I'm not replacing or modding the engine till I blow it up...and I hope that never happens.... so I'm out of this discussion.
I'm planning out a new rear fender, a 15 inch back rim, and a real back tire that I can replace. The stock 14 inch tire is driving me nuts trying to find a replacement for.

[Forklift352]

I hear ya Sgt.!!! I got the drag tire on their right now so it will last
for years.But after the engine Ill start to focase on that and the front.
the 250 v twine would realy do alot + a racing CDI I think it would
rock......but I was thinking of somthing Ohhhhhhhhh BIG :twisted: !!!

[SgtScorpion]

I would and am scared of the frame for most mods. I found some of the welds to be really bad. I would love to strip it all down, touch up the welds, and then have it all just nickle plated to add strength to total frame. Then have the frame powder coated.

But by the time I get that all done I could have bought another bike all together. LOL

[Forklift352]

Yes you could........But it wouldent be a Dragon!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

[Lil-John]

wish me luck, I am riding to work tonight. The guys there poked fun at me all night and called my chopper a midget bike, and such. so i tightened the chain checked the tires, cleaned up the bike and got my backpack loaded for the long haul to dyersburg for work tonight (24 miles) wish me luck!!

Imma show em it aint no midget bike!

[Forklift352]

Ohhhh! The red necks are just jealous!!!(by the way I'M a red neck 8) )
The guys at work teased me to!I just laughed with them!Id say look
at the itty bitty tires and oh look at the itty bitty seat.Ha Ha Ha then I
would say" how much did you pay in gas last mo."And How much was that
Ford F 150 to insure.....a YEAR....ya that's what I thought.Sooo
my teeny tiny chopper cost 45.00 a mouth to operate...fuel and
insurance.And I role about 200/300 mi a mo.And its a kick in the pants
to ride!!And fellas did I mention the ladies........Ohhhh the ladies!!!
Hears one......if they call it a midget bike just say the PC term is
mini chopper...How would you like it if people ran around calling you
retarded as apposed to developmentally disabled HAHahHAHHaHHAhaHaH
AAAAAAHHHhhhAhAhHAhAhAhah!!! :twisted:

Ok Bro GOOD LUCK !!!!24 mi.(oh my ass is saying nooooo)
make sure you got a full tank(I like the 92 oct.)
Dress warm and cary a flashlight and a .45(I never leave home with out)

[Lil-John]

ENDED BADLY, must not have gotten the chain bolted down tight enough, and it pulled loose and slung the chain ( lil one). my lead picked me up (and the bike) now i got my bike at work and going to pick up a master link this afternoon to put on at work tonight

[Forklift352]

I'm truly sorry to hear about that.I had that same thing happen to me.
If you still are using the gold chains......get rid of them.#428 moto
chain.trust me.Have you been rolling with out the chain tenchener?
Sadly their aint enuf ajustment on that jackshaft.I'm working on
a MOD for that.Weeellllllllllll look on the bright side...Ill bet the fellas
are check'en out the ride and wishing they got one before you,because
no one wants to look like a copy cat!! :wink:

[nabsport]

:) Hello LIL John and big ups to Sgt Scorpion,Forklift!!Its been a lttle while(been busy).You know Lil John its funny that you mention that,cause that happened to me also.What I would suggest is for you to adjust the slack in the jackshaft and make sure that the alignment is correct.A lil trick is once you have it tight,put the bike in neutral and roll it backwards.look and "listen"for the sound of the chain popping or wanting to come off.Its also good to keep the tire off the ground when adjusting(in case you didn't know).I cannot stress this to you enough,LOCTIGHT ALL YOUR NUTS AND BOLTS!!I was cruisin the strip near the beach here in j-ville one day when my chain came off(DAMMIT)which if it wasn't for this nice guy finding the chain,I'dve had to replace more than the master link.And the cause was from loose sproket nuts.Oh and replace those chains they won't last.The dealer I got mine from said that gold plating actually weakens the chain and will lead to premature failure just a reminder.As for mirrors they aren't hard to find.I'll post up pics of mine this week.I hope this helps you as I felt all alone too till I found Forklift and all others on this unique forum RIDE ON!!BTW I am 5'6 205lbs and I fit good and as was said before Girls Love It!cept 4 tha seat :cry:

[Forklift352]

nabsport....good to hear from you.Yep, another thing we need to check
often nuts and bolts.If I read Lil-Jhons post right his jackshaft came loose
and his chain broke.The bolts on my jackshaft screw in to the mounting
plate and then a jam nut is added at the bottom.Now the jam nut "shouldn't"come loose and even if it did my allen bolts should still
hold.A little trick I did was added 3 washers to ea.of the front 2 allen bolts
(under the jackshaft) and 2 at ea.of the back ones it worked!!
But now I got the 17t so I was able to get rid of the washers.
I'm working on a mod for the jackshaft but it will totally replace the
whole thing.I'm going to use a splin that will use common moto sprockets
and would be more substantial.
PS if you order mirrors you need to order metric and/or you will
need adapters.See my pics.

[SgtScorpion]

Hey forklift, have you contemplated a belt drive ? That would be the mod of all mods for the Dragon.
I haven't had the chain problem yet. But I noticed on my short trips that I always have to re adjust the chain. It's almost like the chain is expanding the more I ride.

[Forklift352]

Yes,
No matter how tight I get the chain it seems to strech.
Dont know if it's that or wheel & jackshaft are sliding forward.
The idea on belt drive crost my mind. But if you would do that,
I would think a way more powerful engine would be needed.And
I dont think their is room for that ,and the belt drive And I think
a diff. wheel would be in order.I dont mind spending a fair
amount of money on this bike.But some where I gots to draw the
line :P

[Lil-John]

of course the chain expands when you ride, the heat generated by the friction of a chain on a sprocket is tremendous. and the jackshaft, OMG, had the ratchet turned the wrong way and snap the cheap ass chinese metric mother-F*&ker broke. and did you know that the damned plate that it mounts to is tapped???? and i couldn't find a decent replacement, even at my industrial workplace's maintenance shop. so i tapped it out to a 5/16 X 24 fine thread and replaced both of the bolts in the tire chain bearing. got a master and a half link and installed, after cutting a link out (S-t-re-t-c-h-i-n-g)and that put me comfortably tightwith the shaft all the way forward, adjusted out the rear, and let one of my friends from maintenance crew take it for a spin. after me of course :D, and i hear ya about the gold chain, will replace shortly, considering O-ring chain. and they have my size available on ebay for under 100 bucks. think it would be well worth it not to have to constantly check the chains. anyway, the scorpion feels more like the Phoenix, arising again from the ashes....

[Forklift352]

Thats good to hear!!! I cant help but say "Let the upgrades and repair
begine" :P On a liter note go to a motorcycle shop or a motorcycle
web site and get a 428 O ring chain.....15.-20. ea.
When I went in to get a chain, thay asked how long?I said give me
two of the longest that you have.That way with the left over and some
extra master links I can make new chains :wink: .

PS Check your jackshaft berings...thay should be easy to re place.
if you need the part # for them let me know.(I used seald as oposed to
high speed)

[Forklift352]

Has anybody been able to keep the idle at 1500?
:P Ooops no ones got a Tack. :oops:
Well how about when your chopper is good and warm,
do it kinda "skip"around a lot? Sorta rev a wee bit then back to
idle then slow then speed up again.Mine ruffly fluxes from 1400/1700
and all numbers inbetwean.I cant get it to stay at 1500.
I would bet that its the rust but I would think that my filter would
take care of that.Im hoping this weekend to do my tank coating.
However I notesed that their are "2" tanks and thay arnt "conected"
as well as one would think.So before I coat Im going to weld a
fitting to conect both tanks with one fuel line.Then a fuel line to the
petcock( :lol: I said petcock...why dont they call it petpussy :lol: )
The reason is, many times I would "run out of gas" look in to the tank
to see like a half gal. :o .Sooooo if you look one side you fill and
one side the fuel line comes out.I think if one wants to do this MOD
one should get an extra tank to work with.
When I finaly get the fuel tank MOD'ed, coated,sand blasted,painted
Ill take the old one off and redo ALL the ele.wire from mid chopper
to nose.(Iv all ready rewired mid to tail.)Ill try to get pics up to my
photobucket site this weekend to see click on my vid.

[Lil-John]

Forklift that is the reserve, that you switch too on your pet"pussy". it is like that so that you know when you are really low on gas. can switch to reserve, and make it (theoretically) to the gas station. well i am gonna bring the scorpion home this afternoon. the guys at work are loving it now that they have ridden it. a couple even wanted me to steer them to dealers. lol, Imma start me a 3/4 chopper club where i work. I need to be a dealer for these things

[Forklift352]

I thought that's what it was to.But the extra tank I have has only
one "fitting"that comes out of the tank.That fitting attaches to the petcock.
So I cant see how it would access a "reserve."
Any hoo,yea ,once people see and /ride the thing they think it's cool.
I thought of being a dealer to but you would be working on them
more than selling. And I don't know about any one else but I want
more power in the Dragon Pkg.So I'm going to take this thing as
far as I can take it with MODS ,customising, and maybe a more powerful engine.

[Lil-John]

took a ride last night with my best friend and his lil brother, Amen. Floyd just got a 91 ninja from ebay, for a song, and his amen has a 2008 ninja, that he got this spring. they let me lead the pack, and its a good thing cuz my headlight wasnt set right, i really need to get a new one, thats brighter, where did you get yours forklift, and where did you get your combo speedo/tach. probably be my next two upgrades, well that and i got a guy at work that is gonna do some glass work on my front and rear fender. Close that gap in the back so it doesnt sling crap all down your back. and gonna lay a carbon fiber mat on it too. he was the one who was calling it a midget bike now he wants to help me make it something sweet. riding it changed his mind.

[Forklift352]

Well that's good to hear about that guy from work.About the
speedo/Tach.I don't remember but If you google vapor it should
come up.Some place in Springfild Or.The headlight is a Drag specialty
alien wave knock off.The Drag Sp. is 120.00.The one I got is 80.00.
I got it off ebay.Ill try to get you a link.Maybe the Sgt. can help?

ebay...the name of the store their is American classic motors

[SgtScorpion]

http://www.procycle-online.com/main/vapor.htm This gets you a list of all the tachs made by vapor. There was one marked as universal for 115.00 i believe. But check ebay under vapor for a cheaper price, sometimes you get lucky with ebay. Most of my stuff came from there.

Before when I was talking about the chain stretching... i meant it keeps stretching. The more and more I adjust it keeps getting bigger, it never stops i swear. Like forklift said Im getting a good set of chains made of good metal. [/b]

[Lil-John]

they stretch and stretch until they break, unless you get an o-ring chain, they have grease on the inside of the chain links, sealed by orings, that keeps them cool thus they don't stretch or wear on your sprockets nearly as badly. here is a shop that sells the good stuff

http://www.oztion.com.au/vshops/item.aspx?itemid=3904673&tid=

[Lil-John]

Ok guys i had some problems last night and today maybe you can be a resource. can hardly get the bike to push backward, even in neutral, then can hardly get it to go when trying to start off, what could be the cause?

[warrior91]

rear brake caliper is clamped tight.
Check ds threads for cure.
Get rid of china mystery juice in brake system!

[Lil-John]

found the problem last night, jack-shaft was all out of line again,took everything loose, while the frame sat on a cinder block (I did tell you guys i am a redneck right :D) lined up and leveled everything, oiled the chain and took off for a ride!

[Forklift352]

Its Piss'en rain out here in Orygun :) And I don't want to ride till I get
my fuel tank done.My guess is 175.00 to weld the second fuel outlet,
"media" blast the paint off ,and paint.Then I still got to do the tank
treatment annnnd while the tank is off rewire from mid chopper to
nose.

[Lil-John]

i know what you mean. i got caught in the rain yesterday, and i am waiting for my tank to come in for my chopper too, mine had shipping damage, facilitating an ease of trade, but waiting for a tank is a long trek from china

[Forklift352]

Are you going to line it before install?
I got mine at the body shop.I got a Drag Sp. petcock( LOL)
When I went in to the moto shop I asked the hottest sales chick
if she had a pet cock and if she didn't did she want one?
It took her a sec to get the joke........she was unamused LOL.
Any hoo got a 6 in. or so brass pipe(Ill post the specks if this works)
it will be welded on the other side and Ill use that as my reserve.

[Lil-John]

yeah forklift, imma line it before i ever even put it on the bike, and paint it too, i got a theme i am working on for it, just gotta get it all worked out. well let you know more as i get it done

[bonedog74]

I am looking at buying the 200cc scorpion chopper from tomaliscooters.com. They are selling it the cheapest I've found, and free shipping. I just don't know about the whole "email them the VIN, and they'll send you the MCO." Why don't they just send the MCO with it? I just want to know if I can register it as a street legal motorcycle in FL, and what do I need to do to make it street legal? I test rode one in VA. It was awesome, but the guy never registered it. Who is the manufacture?

[Qingdao]

I am looking at buying the 200cc scorpion chopper from tomaliscooters.com. They are selling it the cheapest I've found, and free shipping. I just don't know about the whole "email them the VIN, and they'll send you the MCO." Why don't they just send the MCO with it? I just want to know if I can register it as a street legal motorcycle in FL, and what do I need to do to make it street legal? I test rode one in VA. It was awesome, but the guy never registered it. Who is the manufacture?

Internet buys have always been a gamble. Especialy for a chinabike.

[mikejonesvault]

I am looking at buying the 200cc scorpion chopper from tomaliscooters.com. They are selling it the cheapest I've found, and free shipping. I just don't know about the whole "email them the VIN, and they'll send you the MCO." Why don't they just send the MCO with it? I just want to know if I can register it as a street legal motorcycle in FL, and what do I need to do to make it street legal? I test rode one in VA. It was awesome, but the guy never registered it. Who is the manufacture?

That is the 4 speed model with 13 hp. The 5 speed model has 16 hp and goes faster. Keep looking, you can pickup a 5 speed for the same price with the MCO included. Aside from the MCO you need a taillight and a license plate bracket, which may or may not be included.

[bonedog74]

OK, when I get the 200cc chopper, what stock parts do i need to replace?
I have to assemble it when I get it, so I want to do it right. So far, I know the chains are garbage, the bearing packing is crap, and the tank needs to be lined. Anything else neccessary to replace right off the bat, to avoid a breakdown? The speedo and lights aren't an issue here. The max speed in Key West is 35 mph and I only ride in the day time. I just want it to be dependable. There is a 3 mile stretch (on the way to work) that is 55 mph. Which is why the 200cc is perfect.

[Lil-John]

I have the 5 speed model, and i have not replaced a single part aside from the chain i have only tightened bolts on the whole bike, made sure they were torqued down and drove it, still running stock chain and jackshaft, and got nearly 400 miles out of it before i put it up on blocks today in the barn, tank emptied and carbs winterized. even stock there is no match for the value of this lil bike. but it is made in china, so it isn't something you can neglect.

OK, when I get the 200cc chopper, what stock parts do i need to replace?
I have to assemble it when I get it, so I want to do it right. So far, I know the chains are garbage, the bearing packing is crap, and the tank needs to be lined. Anything else neccessary to replace right off the bat, to avoid a breakdown? The speedo and lights aren't an issue here. The max speed in Key West is 35 mph and I only ride in the day time. I just want it to be dependable. There is a 3 mile stretch (on the way to work) that is 55 mph. Which is why the 200cc is perfect.

[katoranger]

You may not want to store it with the tank empty. Condensation will promote rust.

Allen

[Lil-John]

You may not want to store it with the tank empty. Condensation will promote rust.

Allen
O appreciate the advice, but that tank is junk, got a new one coming in any day now and it will be lined before it is even installed. tank fenders are all off the bike, buddy is gonna fiberglass and carbon fiber them for me. get rid of the open spot on the rear fender too. got a lot planned for this thing before spring

[elroyjetsn]

Do any of these lil choppers come as a softtail?? :)

[bobberjohn]

A great guy to contact may be Josh at Old school Hardknock.
He also is (I believe still) a dealer for your chopper. Contact
him at 1-877-7-bobber.Tell him bobberjohn gave you the number,
it may go a long way if he still has access to parts if he's still
dealing with 'em. I was told by another that the Lifan engine is
based on a Yamaha, seeing how the ones he carries has the
twin exhaust port head.

[bobberjohn]

Better yet, go to his website at www.mobstylechoppers.com.

[IronFist]

You may not want to store it with the tank empty. Condensation will promote rust.

Allen
O appreciate the advice, but that tank is junk, got a new one coming in any day now and it will be lined before it is even installed. tank fenders are all off the bike, buddy is gonna fiberglass and carbon fiber them for me. get rid of the open spot on the rear fender too. got a lot planned for this thing before spring

You might want to check out por-15 to coat that tank insead of kreem. I've heard good thinks about por-15.

[Qingdao]

You may not want to store it with the tank empty. Condensation will promote rust.

Allen
O appreciate the advice, but that tank is junk, got a new one coming in any day now and it will be lined before it is even installed. tank fenders are all off the bike, buddy is gonna fiberglass and carbon fiber them for me. get rid of the open spot on the rear fender too. got a lot planned for this thing before spring

You might want to check out por-15 to coat that tank insead of kreem. I've heard good thinks about por-15.

I use Kreem, but I have never heard of por-15. Probly the same stuff.

[katoranger]

POR-15 is better. Different product. The kreem will peel off eventually, but the POR-15 I believe etches to the metal tank.

Allen

[IronFist]

POR-15 is better. Different product. The kreem will peel off eventually, but the POR-15 I believe etches to the metal tank.

Allen

Exactly.
If you use stabilizer, the wood alcohol will eat kreem. Ruined in 1 off season. The por-15 (from what I've heard) doesn't look like a coating when done, like Kreem does. They say por-15 looks like metal, and lasts longer than kreem. Just tryen to help, I'm no pro, use at your own risk, the management makes no claim as to the effectiveness of any products mentioned on this station. :D

[katoranger]

Here is the link. http://www.por15.com/prodinfo.asp?grp=CTRK&dept=12

Allen

[Qingdao]

Nice, anything rated for the water is the best.

[Forklift352]

What up Bros?
I didn't think any one was posting for the last month or two.
I still got my tank at the shop.....I told the guy take your time...
but not 2 mo.?? Ill check back later with him this week.
If I had to bye again I go with mobstyle choppers.

[Jim]

That hibird one looks pretty good... It looks to be scaled a little bigger.

[eagle150]

these look fun..anyone wanna sell one? :lol:

[Forklift352]

I might consider it but after all the upgrades and modifications....
You would do better getting one from Mobstylechoppers.

[thearmyguy]

Just got mine yesterday and it's so sweet!!!! I drove about 100miles on it no problem but I noticed the speedo is off by like 15MPH (wtf) I was going about 40 but the speedo was reading 65... I also noticed the brake light sucks other then that it's a tight chopper. Just odered my mirrors yesterday too... Any help on this bike would be sweet.. Thanks

[Forklift352]

Hate to say it but start reading from pg.1
I think I would be the one that has done the most repairs and MOD's.
Feel free to ask for help.

[thearmyguy]

I have read from pg1, I would like to know where you got that brake light and how much it was, does it come with signals like the stock one? I found the relay for the brake light so i'm guessing i would have switch out the whole cable and not splice into the wire. was it hard to change out your speedo?

[Forklift352]

I got most of the lights from ebay....you can do any light config.your
hart desires.However you would be right to replace and upgrade the
wiring harness.I went to a local electronics do is your self store and
got a 6 in one wire strand (6 wires of diff. colore wrapped in one).
The wire is thicker and easy to work with.Now for the speedo..
take it off.You could get away with a bicycle one.That's about what
mine is but it has a few more bells and whistles.It helped that I
fab'ed my own rear fender that way I could mount the lights to it.
Ill try to get more vid up in the weeks to come to show the "how to's"
But for me it was simple just trial and error.I think once you get started
it gets easyer.When wiring up the lights get a pen and paper wright
down your findings.One more thing....before you start get a new main
fuse.Raido shack I think has them for 2-3 bucks.If you dont burn out
the fuse carry it with you in a repair kit that has ALL the tools to fix
most repairs.

[thearmyguy]

What type of oil does this bike take? How do you even do an oil change on this? Okay I've put some miles on the bike 180 is that a lot? I want to do an oil change cause who knows when the oil was first pured into this bike.

The problem part!- okay when i'm riding the bike wants to stall out, Ill shift into 2nd gear does the same thing, 3rd same and so on- when i roll on the throttle it seems like the bike isn't getting gas.. Okay now the choke needs to be all the way down right? or up? or in the middle? and the fuel valve needs to be in what position? and the little nut with the spring on the right side needs to be tourqed how much.. sorry for all the stupid question but i'm new to the bike scene but love it.

[Forklift352]

Its been a while but I belive choke up to start then down to run.
The petcock valve can be up or down.And the little nut with the spring...
try turning it all the way right (while idleing)as it starts to cut out go left
alittle.The nut with the spring is the air fule mix if that helps.

[thearmyguy]

You've helped me out with that big time, I thank you but now for my problem, What do you think it could be? I try to open it in full throttle and it sounds like no fuel gets to the engine and it wants to turn off

[Forklift352]

Try adjusting the air/fuel.But I suspect that your carb is getting rust
in it.One of the first things I would do is treat the fuel tank.
Because these things are cheaply made the tank will rust. And rust
will mess with idle and fuel delivery.I think their is a vid on a carb
MOD that will help.The carb is the same as the dirt bike 200 cc.
Changing oil soon would be a good idea.I used 2 cinder blocks.
Set them about 2 ft.apart.Park next to them lift the rear end and
swing it on top.MAKE SURE BIKE IS STABLE!!!!!Their is a drain plug
at the bottom of the engine.Better that engine is warmed up.
I cant remember the type of oil but I use synthetic, get with a moto
shop they could tell you.I think it will take 2.5 qt.
You will need a funnel for the oil.And to check oil level you will have
to make sure the bike is level.I have my wife check it wile I hold.

[thearmyguy]

Can you please direct me to where I would be a ble to find this vid, I can't wait to ride this thing to work, I know my buddies will laugh but I don't care cause I know that this chopper is sweet and for the price and the mpg i get....

[Forklift352]

Go to "Tech Info" at the top of page.It will have the carb MOD walk through.Ill try to fined vid.

[thearmyguy]

What if I changed my carb out to a 30mm like the ones on e bay heres a link to one of the ones I was looking at

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Motorcycle-Parts-Accessories__30MM-MIKUNI-CARBURETOR-CRF-XR-100-200-250-CARB-ATV-CA09_W0QQitemZ360100626734QQadiZ2863QQadnZMotorcyc leQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZM otorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item360100626734&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318


I wounder if the link came out

and for the tank lining I would have to take off my bike cause it's a few day process right? Did you jet your carb? Cause if I stay stock then I'll jet it, but I wanna know if you could notice a diff...Thanks

[Forklift352]

Answer to the first ? Yes, you will have to take off the tank....Sooooo
might as well up grade the wiring harness.
The second......a larger carb most likely will not see much gains.
And the cost/ time to fit and tune..... :roll: .Now if you installed a higher
compression piston and more aggressive cam, a larger carb would come
into play.
Yes I did the clip MOD and I jetted to I think 115.But this summer
I think I will be doing some intensive tuning and I will post results.
I got a new fuel tank and had a petcock welded on the other side.
I will have it sand blasted soon and I will be lining my tank.Before install
and paint I will be upgrading wiring from mid-chopper to front.

[katoranger]

I would keep your stock carb and move the clip and rejet for more performance. The 30 is likely to big unless you do internal engine mods.

I noticed a big change after the exhaust and rejet on my lifan dualsport. The larger jet helps alot.

Allen

[thearmyguy]

what's the mod clip you're talking about? I took off my jet to size it up with others so i'll be replacing that very soon....

[katoranger]

Try this thread for jet and c-clip mod directions.

http://www.chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3743

[thearmyguy]

sweet okay, I get it now, sorry i'm not the brightest of the bunch but those pictures explain it all... Thanks.... What size spark plug did you use? Are autopilot spark plugs good? the bike came with NGK but it looks cheap, very cheap.

[katoranger]

I use an NGK.

Allen

[thearmyguy]

I've been looking for a main jet but can't any, I've looked on e-bay but I can't find one that's long like the one I have... Where could I find one

[katoranger]

Bruce has them. Look in the feedback forum for his contact info.

Allen

[thearmyguy]

okay I've cleaned out the carb and the jets tighted the pin at the bottem of the carb I think it's the air/fuel mixture screw, and still when I open up the throttle the bike just wants to shut down like if no gas is getting to the engine, do you think it has anything to do with the chip in the carb. And this is in any gear, 1st gear is sluggish kinda, doesn't really want to take off(really high rpm) 2nd gear is alright, 3rd gear the gas is getting to the engine at WOT and 4th is the same. If i'm babing the throttle then it's not that bad and I can't it past 65 and this is on the stock speedo(very slow)

By the way I should be getting my rear view mirrors tomorrow. SWEET!

[thearmyguy]

okay I moved the chip in the carb and the bike respones a lot better but again in WOT it seems like the engine is lacking gas and wants to shut down.. please I need help....

[Forklift352]

Ok....full tank of gas
carb is clean
moved the "chip" on the needle
petcock valve open
diddle with the air/fuel knob.....
Their is a small screw toward the front of the carb
its at the bottom.Its tricky to get to but a "s" shaped flat head
screw driver can get to it.That is another adjustment
I cant rightly remember the processes,but I think at idle turn that
screw at the bottom front till just before cut out....back it up a turn or two.
Then adjust the air/fuel knob.
Hope that helps...let me know.

[thearmyguy]

I just odered my main jet 115 type i hope this helps too, Ill be going up to atlanta for the weekend so i cant mess with the bike till tomorrow when i get back.... ill keep you posted

[thearmyguy]

my buddy just told me that it might be the fuel filter could this be a maybe? I'm getting a new one tomorrow and also changing all my fuel lines while i'm at it.... it's bugginf me that I cant open the throttle all the way.........

[Forklift352]

Ohhhhh....you know what? I replaced mine to.That might be it.
Sorry I didn't catch that.But so you know your fuel filter might be clogged
because of rust.

[thearmyguy]

I'm getting a new fuel filter, new plug (mine was jet black(by the spark)) that means i was running rich right? new fuel lines, try to get a a new air intake, and just waiting on my jet 115 to get here from japan. I'm going to clean out my carb tomorrow with carb cleaner and use compressed air to clean out my jets.

[katoranger]

Is the choke fully open?

Allen

[thearmyguy]

yeah the choke is fully open. Aye forklift what was the diameter in the rear sproket? I also want to know what's the size of the front ones? I can see that you modded yours and I just want to make sure I get the right one from scooters4less.net. is our chains size #420? Once I fix my throttle problem. :roll:

[Forklift352]

The rear one is stock..The front and two jackshaft ones are 17(tooth).
I'm going to experiment by using diff. combinations.Right now
with the 17(t) I'm not "whining" out in 4th gear.However I have lost
about 5 mph at top speed.If the engine had more power the 17(t)
would rock the house.I don't remember chain size but 420 sounds
good :lol: .But so do 418.Be careful switching stuff around.....
take no short cuts.Remember you can easily do 65 mph and an
equipment fail will kill you!! (ok that's my public service announcement)

[thearmyguy]

Well I was working on my bike and noticed inside my carb was a crack at the bottem near the outlet fuel line could this be my cause of my bike bogging down? at wot?

update I fixed my carb problem... now when I changed out my plugs out the bike doesn't want to turn over!!! :evil: I got the same type of plug that came with the bike but just a newer one... :?: The bike doesn't wanna start. If I take the spark plug out of the plug hole but still have it connected will i be able to see a spark? Someone pls help

[Forklift352]

I wood think you should be able to see a spark....
Check the sparkplug "gaping."
Try old plug again if it works.....clean it up and roll with it.
I'll think about it some more....

[thearmyguy]

I got my bike running again and it seems a little better with the newer spark plug but still under WOT in bogs down real bad, I have my air/fuel mixture screw out 3 1/2 turns, my clip is on the middle notch on the pin and I noticed light black smoke coming out of my exhust. That mines i'm rich right? I should drop it down one notch on my pin?Right?

[Forklift352]

I think your pin is fine.
With the light smoke it sounds like you are running rich.
Remember that little screw I told you about? Try that.
Then adjust air/fuel.

[thearmyguy]

I think your pin is fine.
With the light smoke it sounds like you are running rich.
Remember that little screw I told you about? Try that.
Then adjust air/fuel.

I tried to read past post and the little screw you talked to me about I don't know what you're talking about...sorry

[Forklift352]

Their is a little screw at the bottom of carb.
Close to the intake manifold(little pipe that leads to engine)
With a short med. size flat head screw driver you can adjust it
but a small "s" shaped works better.

Did you dhange your fuel filter yet???

[thearmyguy]

Can you please give a picture of what you're talking about. I looked and I do see the air/fuel mixture screw towards the engine.

Yeah I changed out the fuel lines and the filter, new plug(NGK), 93 octane, don't what else to do. I'm thinking of moving the clip on the needle down one, what do you think?

[Forklift352]

couldn't hurt.
Ill try to get a pic up tomorrow

[Forklift352]

Hey Bro,I cant fined my cable to down load pics.
But that screw I'm talking about is brass in color and at the bottom
of the carb.
If you cleaned out your carb you had to take off the"bell."
That little screw is in between the two front screws that hold the "bell"
on.....it is a vertical screw.(unscrew from the bottom.)
And try your choke on the other position.(after starting)
When you fined that other screw be careful unscrewing it.(it has a spring
and it could fall out)I had mine to loose and after a block or two it
fell out.(BAD)I had to bye a whole new carb.

[thearmyguy]

Okay I got my 115 jet today but come to find out it's the wrong size, I suck again! (the whole jet is to small,doesn't screw in,)RRRRRRR :x

I was messing with my carb again and I tighted the air/fuel screw (the first screw at the bottem facing your intake manifold) all the way and noticed I was bogging down big time in 1st gear, worse in 2nd and so on.... I came to think I need to loosen that screw up half turn by half turn and see if I see any results... I can't do it tonite since it's too late and yesterday we had a snow storm type thing... :?

[Forklift352]

sounds like your on to some thing.
I'm sure I got a jet for you I'll have to check what size I got.
See if you can tell what size you got in their now.
It will be teeny tiny on the rim.

[thearmyguy]

I'll check to see if I can see what size the main jet is, The hole on the main jet is way small, like really small.... If you got a main jet I could use that would be great I'll hook up some cash.... My local dealers don't sell extra parts (china dealer)...

Yeah I think i'm on to something with that screw, I know it's going to take a while to fingure out..... :wink:

[Forklift352]

Just make sure you dont back it out to far.....and go for a ride.
You will know it fell out when you stop and the chopper dies.
I was able to get it started and keep gasing it and got it home.

[thearmyguy]

Ok I have another problem now.... When I take the coke off (open position) the bike wants to die and when it's closed it'll stay on like a champ, I even have to ride with the choke on (closed position), it seems like the engine isn't getting the gas that it wants to... When I ease on the throttle it's good, when I go normal on the throttle no good (not WOT, I haven't even got to that point yet!!)

as far as the air/fuel mixture I think it improved a little with it 2 turns out.

[thearmyguy]

Well I was out today testing my adjustments and I leaned the bike to hard and who's on the ground in pain? This guy is!!! Yup I dropped my bike but come to find, nothing but both of my pegs broke off (well the screws did pegs are fine) No dents on the bike, no plastic broken, frame is fine and bike still fires up without a doubt.

shit I broke the screws to the pegs :evil: where can I get replacements?

As far as the carb goes I think I'm going to take the bike to a local bike shop and have them work it out... I'm tired of this.... I want to ride my bike to work but can't get on the gas to ride up to at least 50MPH....!!!

[Forklift352]

Don't be surprised if they give you the run around...
All the moto shops here wont give me the time of day.
They just want to sell a bike and kick you out the door.

[thearmyguy]

I'm just going to get a new carb, I think the carb I had was just plain bad (well it does have a crack at the bottem near the fuel outlet) I think this was affecting my WOT The wife say to do it before I take it in to the shop!!

My only real problem is how do I get the nuts out that broke off inside where my pegs go? (The broken nuts are on the the bike itself, the pegs are good and can be reused!)

[thearmyguy]

Aye forklift how much did you get a new carb for? The store where the bike came from wants $120.00 is that to much?

[katoranger]

Yes that is too much. Look on ebay. Less than $50 shipped.

Allen

[thearmyguy]

I'm not sure what size this carb is? I don't want to get a bigger or smaller one, I want the same size but don't know what one. (size)

[Forklift352]

I got a carb for you.Its the same OEM.I also have a jet 108.
I would think much larger and you would be wasting fuel.
PM me Ill hook you up.

[Forklift352]

Well good news...first I got the new petcock welded and in place.
Paint has been glass bead blasted off.And just finished coating
the in side :D
Dropped it off at the body shop for paint...poor fella is back logged
but he said he will slip it in soon.
By this time next week the Dragon will be leaving the roost :twisted:
Ill try to get pics. up ASAP (when its all said and done.)

[Forklift352]

Got it all together now!!! Took 2-3 hours to rig it up.Funny how
it was sunny the whole time....till I took it for a test ride :evil:
Piss'en down rain 12 blocks from home.I still have some this and that
to do but the major stuff is done.I would like to say thanx to Bill at Sterling
auto body and leasing.He was sooooooo helpful on all parts of the
build.Ill try to get a pic or vid up this weekend :twisted:

[thearmyguy]

Thanks for the carb, my bike is running 85%better and I think the other 15% has to do with the air fuel mixture... I'm getting better at this I think :P

Can you please send me in the direction on what site you got your tail light when you changed out your tail light did you use all of the plugins on the white connector? Cause if I replace with a say a red cross tail light what wires are needed for just the brake light and not the signals in the brake light?

i hope i didn't confuse you! hahahaha 8O

[Forklift352]

Sorry i haven't replied sooner....
I've looked and looked on my book marks and I cant fined were I got it.
Ill try looking for the hard copy and let you know.
For lights you will want to give it a lot of thought in regards to configuration.
I wanted to stay at a certain dollar amount and wanted it to look cool....
In most cases you can only have one...cool OR cheep.
First fined out exactly the colors and light laws regarding motorcycles.
To stay in those parameters will make you less likely to get pulled over.
And give you shit talking rights when you do :twisted:
Then,... again.....think about how are you going to mount them!!!
This step will save not only money but headache's
In most cases you will most likely have to cut the white plug and splice.
When I get time Ill try to give you a color code.But trial and error worked
for me.
You will fined that the wire is very thin.I would replace the wiring harness
from mid chopper back.Not only was it easier to work with but I would
think thicker wire sends more power.Reliably :wink:
One more thing most laws require the tail light to act as a stop/running
light make sure it can do both...some only act as a tail light..some
a brake light.

[thearmyguy]

The white wire is the hot wire, power wire? Not the red one? I know the black one is the ground,! right?

[Reajcox]

My wife just got me a 200CC Dragon Chopper. So far I love it! I've done so rewiring and light work. But it is Titled and Plated and completely street legal now.

Time to get creative...

Where can I find some more HP and Speed? I'm looking at carb and sprocket to start.

By the way does any body know what the porpose of the valves on the exhaust is. I fabed some block off plates and got rid of those things.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt127/reajcox/TangerineDream.jpg

[forchetto]

By the way does any body know what the porpose of the valves on the exhaust is. I fabed some block off plates and got rid of those things.


It's the SAI (secondary air injection). Theres a comprehensive explanation of that device on this thread:

http://www.chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7662&highlight=sai

Amazing looking machine by the way. If you're getting rid of the SAI you might as well change the exhaust to start with. This will contain the catalyser element that is part of that emissions system. Without the air injection gear it doesn't do anything apart from bunging up the exhaust and robbing power.

[Reajcox]

What do I replace the exhaust with? Better question is how do I do away with the post that are left behind arter removing the SAI? Do they make exhaust for it?

[forchetto]

What do I replace the exhaust with? Better question is how do I do away with the post that are left behind arter removing the SAI? Do they make exhaust for it?

I meant the muffler where the catalyser insert is hidden, there's bound to be something suitable for that size pipe. Unless some aftermarket people come up with alternative downpipes you're stuck with those little pipes coming out of the main downpipes.

[Reajcox]

The heck I am... I've got a mig welder and a license to destroy. I'll just cut those little things off weld her shut grind the weld and have them recoated. HA HA HA. Victory Is Mine!!!!

Muffler?!?! Yeah when I find that I want to see how the heck a piece of pipe can be called a muffler. Sounds like it could just as easily go straight pipe.

[Reajcox]

We'll After some thought I'm going for a rejet, CDI, and some exhaust work. I've also found a place or three to find some more parts replacement and performance.

www.jpcycles.com

http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/chopper.htm

http://www.minibikepartsnow.com/dirt-bike-4s-performance-parts.htm

[Forklift352]

Let me know how the CDI works for you.
A rejet (108)and sprocket change is about all that can be done.
As you already know they are strait pipes.
Now if one could put in a higher compression piston
and a more aggressive cam.....topped with a port and polish.
I shudder to think about it :twisted:

[tryJESUS]

First off I'm new to this board but I know how it goes cause I belong to a couple other boards.
Now ever since I've seen the 3/4 Chopper I've wanted one. But until recently I was unable to findd any reviews to know the quality of the product. Well now I've found this board and I must say so far this bike is not what I hoped it would be. I was wanting to get it for commuting to work (about 40 miles). I can pad the seat enough to not concern myself with that. My concern is, after reading over half of the post on this blogg, is it even fit to be used as an everyday commuter for 40 miles without breaking down every 2-3 days.
I also read in this blogg about rumor of a 400cc coming out. Is this true? Will it look the same? Will it be more reliable for commuting?
Someone please help pesuade me.

[Reajcox]

As much as I'd love to tell you buy one hop on and get cruising. 40 Miles is a long ride especially on a hard tail. If you pick up a 5 speed it's capable of 80+ MPH but I wouldn't recommend it. Think of this bike as a lake or village cruiser. It looks awesome, gets lots of attention, but requires your cycle knowledge. I have hours in mine so far modifying exhaust and jetting chain mods idler bearings not to mention the fabrication of idler adjusting bolts and stops.

Which reminds me. The dragon is SAI Free and jetted to a 115. Chains are 1 link short on the rear and stock length on the front. (I had lots of adjustable area already lost so we installed chains - 1 link for the rear. Sprockets are ordered.(larger rear sprocket smaller front engine to idler will be equal) The speed-o is getting replaced with an all in one speedo with indicators. Plug wire is replaced with an Accel 10mm wire. Currently fabricating adjuster/stops for the center idler. Turn signal beeper was removed cause it was just annoying. Tiny little ground wire was replaced with some good heavy lawn tractor battery cables. I can officially ride this now without having my harness roast and soon with out the chain flopping off. More pics when I'm done. As well as step by step on the Idler Mod.

[Forklift352]

Had I known how much work and expense this was going to be
I wouldn't have done it....However I am a "tinkerer"and I am pleased
with the result of my hard work and money.
But you may get lucky and get a good one that will last a little longer.
40 mi. is a long ride on one of these things but to save fuel expense
I would do it.All tolled Iv spent about 4000.00. I could have spent
that money on a "real" moto......but it wouldn't look near as cool!!!!
And learning all about choppers and pushing my limits of creativity
and knowledge is fun.
Sooooooo....if you have tools and are willing to spend some money,
you will enjoy the joy and the pain that the Dragon Chopper brings!!
A little advice.....Check it out theraly before operation.Take it for
a ride......on side streets.Ride it a lot to get the "bugs" out.
You might wont to do many of the mods before even riding.

[Reajcox]

I'm right there forklift. This thing is a blast to ride but you have to be willing to put some time, thought, and a pound of flesh into it. So far I've got the Tangerine Dream running like a saw. The jetting helped a lot so did the exhaust work. The wiring just allows a better flow of power and a good strong spark. I've got a coil I'm looking at ordering just to up the ignition system a little more.

[Forklift352]

Looking forward to the results...Right now my chopper is reliable.
It s just you wont to keep improving :lol:

[tryJESUS]

All tolled Iv spent about 4000.00.
Is that with the purchase of the chopper or after. :?:
Also, is it true that they're coming out with a 400cc and will it look like the 200? :?: :lol:

[Forklift352]

The chopper was 2000.Iv spent about 2000. more.
But I added a lot of custom goodies and custom paint.
I haven't heard of a 400cc likened after the 200cc.
The cost of some "street legal" lights 100.00 on the cheep side.
250.00 for lights that look cool.About 70.00 or so for tank liner
A rear tire about 50-150.00.Front tire about 75.
You could get a way with a cheep bicycle cyclometer for a speedo.
But the one I got ran me about 170.It wires up to the head light
so it has a back light and can give an RPM reading.Some new
chains about 15.00 each.About 100.00 for this and that's....

[tryJESUS]

So forklift, in your opinion, if I got one and did some of the upgrades you've mentioned in this thread, would the Chopper be reliable enough to make the 40 mile hall twice a day say 2-4 days a week. Again I'm only concerned with the reliability. I know I'm going to have to work on the comfortability. 8O Thanks and Be Better Than Blessed.

[Forklift352]

I think it would be doable....Iv tooled around all day many times
(about 40 mi. a day.) As long as you stay on side streets.
You will deff. have to do most of the up grades.Lights ASAP,fuel tank
would be best to do before introducing fuel.But a 3 stage sys.could
be used latter on to coat tank.Now one of 3 things should be done
but not mandatory...First either a lager sprocket in the rear(by 1-3 teeth)
orrrrrrr second a lager drive sprocket (which takes a dremel and time)
orrrrr third the most difficult 2 larger "jack shaft" sprockets.
The problem is I couldn't get lager sprockets that would be a direct fit
to the drive shaft or jackshaft.So you would have to MOD the
in side of the sprocket to fit shafts :(

[tryJESUS]

what about up grading the chain? And which do you recommend?

[Forklift352]

I couldn't recommend a chain off hand...I took my old one to a
moto shop and had them look at it.I think its a 420 or 428...I cant remember.
But I would lube up old chain and ride the thing around.(close to home)
Not only will you get practice (because your going to need it) but
any "issues" will surface and can be dealt with close to home. :wink:

One more thing....Carey a back pack with some tools...just
till you work out the bugs.At this point I just cary some Allen wrenches,
small can of dry lube,2 crescent wrenches,and tire pressure gage
but you might add a chain breaker and a sm.screw driver(flat head)

[Slim-Jim]

Does anyone have the assembly instructions for one of the 2009 models?
Mine arrived with absolutely no paperwork of any kind.
Thanks

[Slim-Jim]

Reajcox,

Where did you get your license plate brecket and what size hole is in it?

[Forklift352]

Sorry bud....got mine off show room floor.I would bet you have to
put on front wheel.If you can get a pic. of it in its present state I might
be able to help more. 8)
If some one gots a manual it would be sweet to post it in the
manuel sticky.But the engine is the same as a few of the duel sports.
FML 163 I believe.

[lordueno37]

Completly off topic...............Are you and I the only ones on here that own one of these bikes ? :idea:

Dude,
I hate to break in, but I've owned a green and gold one and just bought a "Road Rage Red" model from the Scooter Depot. I have less than 500 miles on it and had the top chain snaped off. The foot brake stuck and the clutch cable was way out of adjustment. Oh yeah...and to top it off, the front headlight, which was "brand new" didn't work.

I love the way they look and cruise up to the Rock Store in California every weekend, where the bike is a real hit. But man...it's draining my freakin' bank account. The Chinese need to learn some lesson regarding Quality Control. Ride on, Wayne

[tryJESUS]

lordueno37 Did you have any trouble with the green or gold ones? Or is the red the first that has caused you issues?

[haktup]

rear tires...
So I am building a custom 3/4 chopper using a lifan 250 I am going to use the 205/40/14 do you think I could find one. Guess what I did. If you are interested or need one let me know I got in touch with the company that makes em. I know you don't know me from adam but these freaking things are hard to come by and I have to get 4 at a time to get them. So if you are interested let me know I am totally new here I found the thread via google. Had a 205-40-14 from a friend and the tire shop trashed it mounting it so I was going to use a 195/45/14 but I might just have to buy 4 of these so I can have them.

[haktup]

by the way the 195/45/14 is a toyo proxies st car tire would have the same issue as your goodrich.

[gtx2880]

Hey guys here is a nice little set-up guide for the chopper that help me when I got my choppers. http://www.super-pocket-bike-scooter.com/CHOPPER_SETUP.html check it out and get the lock-tite :) Wasn't sure how to put it in the manuals sticky section I'm new here.

[Qingdao]

You guys keep customizing these things they will become the 10/22 of motor bikes. LOL.

[Forklift352]

10/22 Ruger......HaHaha...LOL I guess your right!!!

[Slim-Jim]

Has anyone had trouble with the electric start? I have had my chopper about a month and the electric start has only worked twice. Also the kick start is very had to kick for a bike this small.....anyone else think so?

[Forklift352]

Are you squeezing the clutch wile starting??

[Slim-Jim]

Most of the time, yes I squeeze the clutch lever, just to be safe.

[gtx2880]

Both of my bikes have very high compression so yeah they do kick over really hard. You might want to take the electric start off and hook it up to a battery charger a few short shots and see if it engages properly that will tell you if it is the starter, or possibly may be a wiring issue, then break out the volt meter if that's the case. Good luck

[Forklift352]

Mine was set with a safety switch that would only allow starting
wile clutch is engaged.Wile messing with my wiring some how
I switched it to my brake lever......if it aint your wiring it would
be the starter.If it is making noise while trying to start it,but
sounds like poop......the starter claw isn't engaged properly.

[Slim-Jim]

gtx2880
Did the battery thing and checked the wiring, all ok there.
Come to find out it is a bad starter solenoid.

Forklift
thanks for the input, if it still doesn't start I will check that next.

[gtx2880]

Hey Forklift I'm about to play with upgrading my jack shaft sprockets any idea what size it is 17/14mm or 20/17mm shaft hole and what # chain 420 or 428, 520. Man, am I confused with this stuff. You said you had to mod it that's fine with me, I'm going to get more speed, I'll try anything. Any help would be great!! :twisted:

[Forklift352]

If their is nothing wrong with the jackshaft then don't mess with it....
I changed my drive and jackshaft sprockets to 17 tooth...I lost
about 5 mph. But when I am at WOT in 4th it don't "whine" out at 8000.
I believe we are not going to get much more out of these things
with out some internal work....or a bigger engine.Both I am looking
into for cost and durability.I know you didn't want to hear that but
its only a 200cc. :evil: But if I remember 17/14 was it.I posted
my up grades on that subject early on Ill go back asap and get
the info.One might be able to eak out a little more by just getting
a smaller rear sprocket.
ps I belive 428 chain.

[gtx2880]

Sweet I'm going to try the outer jack shaft sprocket only. I'm going to play with 16 tooth and 17 tooth. When I'm in 5th gear there seems to still be plenty of power for one or two teeth. Thanks for the info :D I love these things!!

[lordueno37]

I have purchased two 3/4 choppers. The first one broke down a lot, but lasted 2 years. I just bought my second one from Sunny Sports, Inc.

Within 4 months, or 400 miles, it has blown a gasket, the sprocket bearing practically melted and is useless. Both chains have fallen off. The front headlight never worked and the foot brake stuck, making it impossible to push in neutral.

These bikes are strictly for show and should never be ridden on the streets. They are extremely dangerous, not only to oneself, but others as well.

They should be outlawed until they get it right.

[Forklift352]

Oh stop!!!

[otto]

hey there everyone .. got one of these bad ass lil choppers this week ... sweet lil rides i gotta say .. i got mine slightly used stock *didnt come with the gold chain*..17miles ..but the guy that put it together seems to have done a purdy good job ... he went over every nut and bolt that should be lock tited .. he showed me some adjustments on the rear wheel for the chain .. how tight should the chain be ? .. he said i sould tighten it .. i havent looked at any adjustments anywhere else .. i have read this whole forum for info .. so far so good .. the tank is rusting .. how did u guys go about ordering a new tank ? i plan to do the same with the recoating of the interior .. but i assume just run this one for now .. also .. there is a choke .. half choke and no choke setting .. the guy i got it from said theres a break in period before u should run it at no choke .. im at about 80miles ..what is the break in period .. anyone know ? .. and by flicking that last flick will it give it anymore top end ? .. i know the speedo is off .. i got the 4 speed :( i hear the 5 is much better .. i had a buddy follow me .. and from what i can guess my top end is only around 45 maybe 50 .. and thats shes poppin as i throttel down .. is that cause i havent moved to the last adjustment ? .. thanks mike

[gtx2880]

Hey Otto welcome. The tank can be sealed or if you want to get a new one here is the link I think all they have is black but that's a pretty good start. http://www.iscooterparts.com/store/p/686-Gas-Tank-BLK.html
If I were you I would keep a full tank all the time because it will slow down the rust growth, Especially when storing it so there is no condensation in it (water) makes rust. As far as breaking them in I haven't heard of running them at half choke, just don't run it WOT. I'd wait until about 100mi or so, then take it WOT for a sec then back off. Ease in to it. I would shut the choke off and run it that way. You may get a little more top end but not much. That popping you hear is just normal, enjoy it, it sounds BAD AZZ. He He people will be looking if they already aren't!! Oh and as for lordueno37 if you fix your bike correctly you won't have any problems!!

[Forklift352]

Their is a 3 step process that cleans out the rust and "etches" the inside.
Evaporates the water that you rinse in step one. And the 3rd coats the
tank.It recommends a compressor or something to pass air through it.
It will definitely help the process along...You dont need a new tank :)
Take the choke off after starting.....
I put the choke on and adjust the carb a turn or two for it to warm up
after 5 or so min. of running I turn it down.

[otto]

thanks for the tips guys .. .. if my tank still looks worth saving at the end of the summer then i guess ill just stick with it and do that 3 step thingy .. as for the choke .. i have no problems getting it started or adjusting the carb to warm her up ..so i tried it with *no choke * .. and it bogged down when i hit the gas .. unless i eaaaaaaaase into it really soft ... and thats when shes all warmed up .. but that middle position seems to run decent .. feels like it should have a lil more top end tho
-im not sure what im getting out of it yet .. i know the speedo sucks

[gtx2880]

Sounds like the carb might be out of adjustment.

[Forklift352]

Yuo might look into a new fuel filter....

[otto]

yeah i was just out in the garage tinkering around .. cause my break light is not intiating .. and im not sure why .. everything else works .. and everything seems to be hooked up right .. im thinking maybe its that lil switch up near the front break lever ?i know it must be for the break light cause i hear it click as i pull the break but like its not working .. but i also have wires down at the bottem off the rear break .. and all that seems to be right .. altho im not sure how that one works .. also .. while i was out there i couldnt resist and had to fire her up .. but she stalled .. and that lil *cup* with the filter in it is full .. like its not getting gas into the carb .. looks as if its having no problem getting from the tank to the filter tho and the filter looks clean .. im confused... nothing is kinked .. and this is my first bike so im clueless

[Forklift352]

turn up carb adjustment....clockwise.

[otto]

thanks forklift .. i got her runnin alot better now .. adjusted the carb .. but shes still got a lil bog to her but nothing like before .. im guessing im gonna also have to up the jets .. but im gonna wait a bit till shes nice and broken in .. about this shit speedo .. is it the wire or the gauge itself that sux ? cause that things gotta be off .. also .. all my wireing works great .. except my break light .. the light works .. the blinkers on the light even work with the blinkers .. but when i hit the breaks it dont get brighter .. or flash red if the lights are off .. and it looks to have a lil switch up near the front break and also down on the rear break there is 2 wires .. have u noticed any problems with those switches ? cause thats what im hoping .. cause everything else works great electroniclly and nothing appears to be out of order ... i guess maybe i could hook a wire to the positive on the batt and run it to the hot wires near the switch .. that should turn it on right ? and tell me if its my wires or my switchs ?

[otto]

oh and i hear them 0-ring chains are alright .. but they will slow u down ... my friend tells me about 3 hp would be lost on one of these size engines .. just incase anyone is runnin that kinda chain .. ;) .. thanks for alll your help so far men

[Forklift352]

If I remember correctly the light is not a "brake"light.....
orrrrrrrrrr your brake/run light bulb is half burnt out you may need
a new bulb.I think my light "cluster" was LED so it couldn't be easily
replaced.As soon as I got my chopper one of the first things I did
was go all custom on the lights......the stock ones were piss poor.
About the speedo.......it is for looks only.
You can get away with a cheep bicycle speedo.....or a spendy
one with a back light display (about 50.00.)
Also their is another carb adjustment at the bottom of the carb...
toward the front right by the "bell." An "L" shaped small flat head screw driver is needed to access this adjustment....or a really short screw driver.

[Reajcox]

The rear plate bracket that was asked about I made. Also I wanted to let everyone know that the Tangerine Dream is a flying machine now.lol

I ordered a new carb and went to a 34mm venturi and I'm jetted to a 118 now. The wheels and tires got pulled and taken to a local shop and balanced. Also have changed sprocket and chain 420 Chain and 17 rear idler sprocket 17 forward idler. The biggest change is the idler adjuster. With some creative welding, drilling, and good 3/8 grade 8s I fabricated a wedge bolt adjusting slider. I can now adjust that chain and keep it there untill I change it. Exhaust has been shortened Accel Coil and 8MM HotWire and I have officially broken the 80MPH barrier I was stuck at. [/img]

[Reajcox]

I cant get an image to post. I'll work on it and get ya'll some new pics.

[Forklift352]

Please do!!! Looking forward to your MODS !

[gtx2880]

hey if anybody has any questions about these bad azz choppers let me know I've done my share of tinkering with them I may be able to help you out!!