American Lifan Dealer left me with a Un Licenseable bike... [Archive]

dsrt4

01-23-2009, 07:27 PM

*I posted this on American Lifans Customer forum as well*

Alright, the time has come to voice my concerns about New Athens PowerSports in New Athens IL.

I Went out of My way to the Next State to get this bike Solely on the fact it was a American Lifan and this was a actual Store front.

The Problems started when I mistakenly left my Drivers License at the store the day I bought my bike. I Had planned on going back nearby there in a week but he offered to mail it to me. I never got the License back and I Had to Pay for a new one. When I Finally got ahold of the guy he couldn't even remember the address he sent it to. < This right here should have been my first clue about the guy.

After Getting a new License I tried getting the Bike registerd and licensed. The Dealer didnt fill out anything on the back and it took me another 2 weeks to get that info from him.

By This time I Had resorted to using other peoples Phones at work because the guy would never pick up when I called. He has 3 lines to that place of business and I knew them all and had been trying to call for days at that point. One call from my friends phone got him and I Was finally able to get a fax with the info needed for the bike.

The Bike did get licensed and I pretty much just wrote off the whole experiance and moved on.

Now 4 months later the State sends a notice to my Insurance saying they have the incorrect vin. My Insurance contacts me and LOW AND BEHOLD........ The Vin on the bike doesnt match the MSO.

Shortly after that the state contacted me and told me I needed to get the correct MSO and bring that in and not to ride the bike.

It took me a week of calling to actually get the Dealer to pick up the phone. He Told me he would look for it and get back with me. After About a week I Started calling him on a friends phones again.

He Picks up and says "Yeah *soandso* says we have it here we just have to find it" I Specificly Stated to the Man that if he found it "DO NOT MAIL IT TO ME".. and that I Would come and pick it up.

So.....Another week rolls around. Still no answer to my calls and he doesnt seem to have a answering machine because it just rings of the hook. I Call again not 3 minutes later from a co-workers phone and he picks up and I Can tell he is pissed because he trying to brush me off by not answering to my #. I Asked if he had found the MSO and he Says. "Yeah *SOANDSO* sent it out in the mail to you last week." I asked why it was mailed when I Specificlly told them I Wanted to pick it up. I just got the "Its in the mail you should get it in a day or two"

That was over a week ago now and I only live in the next state less than 150 miles away. There is no other person at his place of business other than Him. He Told me he was One man Show the night I bought the bike. The MSO mostly likely has been shipped off with another bike and he probably doesnt know who has it.

A Call to American Lifan when this all started garnered me nothing more than a "Keep at him"

When I started freaking out 3 weeks AFTER I contacted him about the MSO, I Called American Lifan again to see if they couldnt just fire off a new MSO to me so I Wouldnt have to deal with the guy anymore. Fat Chance....... My call to them gained me nothing but 7 dropped calls while on hold and finally a "We just Distribute the bikes, you are on your own". I would be lying if I Didnt say I felt a Little let down by American Lifan as well.

Now I Am Stuck with a brand new $1000 bike I cannot register.

Awesome.....

TeamCheap

01-23-2009, 11:54 PM

Well that sucks.

I'd bet A.L. will just a memory soon.

DDG1976

01-24-2009, 12:27 AM

It looks to me like if A.L. wants to stay in the bike business they need to start helping their customers. They'll probably be importing something else if a couple years, hopefully something that doesn't involve paperwork.

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 09:52 AM

I made the mistake that all "grey" market bikes are bad and that I Really needed to go with American Lifan in order to get a legal bike.

Basicly I Fed into the Line of BS. And I lost my Ass on this bike.

What I should have done was went to Hooper Imports or Trailbuddy to get the Lifan LF110gy3 I wanted.

It Still irks the crap out of me That I have a bike I Sunk a Bunch of money into and now cannot get it street legal Just because a Dealer does not want to do his job.

I Waited along time to voice anything about this giving him and American Lifan the benefit of the doubt. I Will be Calling the IL State of Attorney on WED if I Do not get this resolved by then.

phil

01-24-2009, 10:33 AM

i bet you get banned from the al website, sounds like you had the pleasure of talking to shawn :lol: i didnt see it for myself but i was led to beleive that al could and did print mso's, but then i have been misled before :wink: i would try again, on my freinds phone and ask peter i would also try to see if that state the dealer was in has what here is called a dealer motor board or some other oversite ran by the state. what bike did you get sounds like the price was too low

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 10:51 AM

Why would I get Banned? I'm stating fact not fiction..

The bike was a LF110GY-3 Trail 70 replica...

DDG1976

01-24-2009, 12:07 PM

Why would I get Banned? I'm stating fact not fiction..

The bike was a LF110GY-3 Trail 70 replica...
They don't care if it's fact, it's bad news about them on their forum.
I would be on the BBB website www.bbbonline.org filing a complaint against both the dealer and AL, the BBB will assign you an arbitrator who will deal with both the dealer and AL to get your problem resolved. I bought a "grey market" bike from Atvdiscounters and went through some MSO problems. The arbitrator from the BBB had my correct MSO in the mail to me in 3 days time, a week after filing my complaint I had my bike registered correctly.

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 12:48 PM

They have to be in the BBB for that to work though right?

American Lifan nor the dealer are BBB Accredited.

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 12:50 PM

It looks like AL gives 2 craps what the bbb thinks about them. Heres the file the bbb has on them.

BIG F for FAIL!!!!!!

http://www.dallas.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=50&bbb=0875&firm=90021234

phil

01-24-2009, 12:54 PM

i like the bike i have one but i never have tried to tag it its geared to low for the street. as for stating only fact they (al) have no idea what that is and once they see it and then see it over in the "gossip" forum im sure they will be here as normal to "help" anyone with a problem. did you happen to read new ways from american lifan in this section i stated facts and have paperwork, recepts and emails to back up everything as for the bbb that will only do good if they want to save face but i doubt al cares so take serious actin now if you have a lawer buddy use him. the state board, army whatever resources you can http://www.library.sos.state.il.us/contact/contact.html

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 01:20 PM

I spent $40 and regeared it for street use. 55mph is easliy had with a regear. Its pretty zippy on the street now. I like Lifans alot as well. Just Not American Lifan.

I have Located the IL Consumer affairs division and My State DMV (At the Capitol) told me for fact yesterday that this essentially amounts to fraud on his part if he does not sort it out.

Heres the IL Consumer affairs/Attorny General's site.
http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

The Dealer will have until Wed to figure it out. If it takes sending me a Frame and a MSO so Be it.....

American Lifan has already stated they wont do anything and "Good luck" with the dealer. If they had the capability of getting me a New MSO I would assume they would have already done that.

I will tell you what though. I Am ready to buy a Lifan z50 Replica and I Will Be going through Hooper Imports to get it. I Should have done that in the first place with this Ct 70 replica.

culcune

01-24-2009, 01:24 PM

I have not dealt with Hooper, but he seems to be a stand-up guy. As far as I can tell, there has not been one member complaining about him since this site was started, and even before that on my Jetmotogroup site, and on the now-defunct lf200gy group. I think Hooper will be ok to deal with.

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 01:28 PM

I have heard of a few complaints against Hooper but they have always been corrected and that was it.

People are allowed to make mistakes...... Its Just when they dont correct them is when there should be a issue.

IronFist

01-24-2009, 01:57 PM

I expect Shaun to show up here soon, to smooth cooling balm on your pocketbook, and to sweep aside any bad press. He said we had a bad attitude, so I promised to be positive. I'm sure he will take care of you.

culcune

01-24-2009, 02:10 PM

I have heard of a few complaints against Hooper but they have always been corrected and that was it.

I think there will always be problems with Chinese bikes (heck, any bike for that matter, but more so with Chinese), but if the dealer takes care of problems, that is what is asked for.

Ironfist-who cares if someone thinks a site is mean? They can open their own site and put their products in rose-colored splendor, which is what they did.

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 02:15 PM

I doubt it, by phone they passed me around and then just Stated they were just a distributor and can't make the dealer do anything and I needed to go after the dealer.

I just don't have any faith in them to try and help me out. Why should they? They already got their Money for the bike..

BUG

01-24-2009, 02:25 PM

If you paid by credit card you can dispute the charge.

Last year i bought a Reconditioned Lenovo laptop from a major on line retailer. It was advertised with a 90 warranty from IBM. When it arrived there was a paper in the box that there was no warranty. The wireless card did not work, i contacted the retailer and was told i could not return it and it must go to IBM for repair. I contacted IBM and they confirmed there was no warranty. Contacted the retailer a couple more times trying just to get them to cover the cost of a new wireless card, they kept saying IBM would warranty it. I disputed the charge on my credit card, sent in a statement from IBM and the retailer web page to the credit card company. They decided in my favor and refunded the entire amount. The retailer still did not want the computer back. $25 fix and I'm still using it. I still feel guilt when i tell the story.

dsrt4

01-24-2009, 02:33 PM

I paid Cash for the bike so I cannot dispute anything on that end.

TeamCheap

01-24-2009, 04:03 PM

Banned from A.L. site .....thats to funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I say a big "WHO CARES" I myself imposed a self ban on their site just to do a preemptive strike on what would surely have been done anyway. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I always laugh at sites like that and realize that they are 100 percent biassed and of little more use than to see what new products are coming out.

Their site is good for picking peoples brains and using the idea's presented as R&D. :lol:

Ohh I suppose I'll miss A.L. once they are gone and that may be sooner than I think.

the real kicker is we have two greys and the sticker on the bikes say American lifan Hmmmm....... :roll:

DDG1976

01-24-2009, 04:18 PM

They have to be in the BBB for that to work though right?

American Lifan nor the dealer are BBB Accredited.

All they need to have is a business liscence to care about what the BBB says. Trust me you'll get results if you work with the BBB.

culcune

01-24-2009, 04:48 PM

Banned from A.L. site .....thats to funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I say a big "WHO CARES" I myself imposed a self ban on their site just to do a preemptive strike on what would surely have been done anyway. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Their site is good for picking peoples brains and using the idea's presented as R&D. :lol:

Ohh I suppose I'll miss A.L. once they are gone and that may be sooner than I think.

Ha ha!! :lol: :lol: Self-imposed ban--that's a good one!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, I agree that the picking brains as R & D is the reason for their forum.

Shineray has some real cool bikes coming sometime soon, Asiawing has those bikes that I posted, and Hi-bird has been strong, and look at what they are presenting around the corner. Galaxymoto has some very cool specialty bikes that have proven themselves in competition, and are supposed to reach our shores, and Qingqi will be here with their own name (as opposed to Qlink's dirt bikes) so pretty soon, AL will probably be nothing more than a SunL.

SunL has some interesting bikes of their own, ironically, and AL will soon be in that same category of "iffy" Chinese brands to buy, if they aren't already there already.

If this is too negative, sorry AL, but perhaps you should use these forums as how to give customer service correctly.

warrior91

01-24-2009, 05:04 PM

A.L doesn't like anyone pissing in their ricebowl.

Too bad, this sounds like a fairly easy fix...by the company reissuing a propper mso that matches your bike number...
Funny, in these tough economic times, that a business wouldn't trip over their own feet to have good press and happy customers.
But then it is A.L. :roll:
I have only read a few posts on their site after being directed from Chinariders...just to keep up on the soap opera. Boy they like themselves there. Be all and end all of the Chinese Motos. :wink:

IronFist

01-24-2009, 05:05 PM

Ironfist-who cares if someone thinks a site is mean? They can open their own site and put their products in rose-colored splendor, which is what they did.
#2 "If this is too negative, sorry AL, but perhaps you should use these forums as how to give customer service correctly.

I was hopeful that he would hear what I said and reply like last time. I think that if Shaun put his mind to it, dsrt4 would have his bike on the road. A call from him to the dealer might be all the push that the problem needs. It's not a big deal for the dealer to hit the print button and have a happy customer. Mailing a wallet to the wrong address demonstrates that the guy shouldn't be working on vehicles anyway, but he should be able to click a mouse one last time before going out of business. :?

culcune

01-24-2009, 05:40 PM

I was hopeful that he would hear what I said and reply like last time. I think that if Shaun put his mind to it, dsrt4 would have his bike on the road. A call from him to the dealer might be all the push that the problem needs

dsrt4 said that they already told him that it's the dealer's problem. I guess I am being too negative, and should see what Shawn will propose now that this has been discussed publicly...

phil

01-24-2009, 11:04 PM

hold on before we blame the dealer you should know this, i am fairly sure that a few things are the same in my state as it is in il.
1 the dealer has to have his adress on the bill of sale or in a sale contract 2 the dealer should have found the error if it didnt match vin with the bike im still fuzzy on why the insurance company found anything
3 the dealer can not make a mso, but al can in a few minutes
wait after reading sounds like the blame is everywhere dealer & distributor
this begs the question what does al use to pick dealers since they are the "best, biggest & greatest, standing alone as the only chinese company following the laws of this country,,,,,and i dont fit their business model im not good enough to be a dealer and banned from their forum having to stay here on this mean people forum who never helps anyone :wink: i kkep waiting for shawn to jump in and say how im just bitter (and i am but im never ever going back ill quit selling first) and the dealer is a falt or dsrt4 was the problem. or some story that i cant think of yet, i just can not figure out why any self respecting dealer still wants to be involved with them and dsrt4 before you buy another bike like the z50 look elsewhere i have seen much better looking copies

IronFist

01-24-2009, 11:22 PM

Phil:
My title had the wrong vin. I went to back to Daymak, (I think they are a dealer and not a large scale importer, but I could be wrong)

They had the blank cardboard sheets and fed mine into the printer and hit a button. It was done before I finished my smoke in the parking lot. I don't know if it was legal, I still don't, but it sure didn't feel right. I didn't do anything wrong, so I took it and got my plates. I doubt everyone works this way, but that is what happened to me. :roll:

TeamCheap

01-24-2009, 11:30 PM

IronFist the bottom line is they took care of you and promptly and it wasnt like it was a stolen bike it was a simple mistake and they fixed it.

Its amzing to me how some people, dealers, companies can take a simple matter and turn it into a nightmare for their customers and still expect the customer to do business with them.

Jim

01-24-2009, 11:49 PM

It's different here in Canada. We don't use MSO's for new bikes, we use a NVIS card. I guess it is sort of the same idea.

culcune

01-24-2009, 11:56 PM

and dsrt4 before you buy another bike like the z50 look elsewhere i have seen much better looking copies

I don't know how much they go for, but apparently Pitster Pro has, or is attempting to release, CT70-type bikes with a 125 engine; they look promising in addition to their 250 enduro and motard, but now I am thread-jacking.

Back to AL, I remember when they sold official AL GY-2 bikes as overstock to ATVdiscounters, who posted photos of GY-5's on their site, and sent the GY-2 out instead to customers (including the one guy here who got banned), and some people couldn't register the bike for the street. AL said that since those were overstock, they wouldn't consider helping, and it was between the non-AL dealer and the customer--kinda like this situation, but this dealer is supposed to be AL.

dsrt4

01-25-2009, 07:22 AM

I just want to clarify a few things.

I didn't leave my wallet with the Dealer, I left my DL with him when he took it to write down my info. He forgot to give it back after we loaded up the bike and I just plum forgot to grab it before I left. He Offered to Mail it and it "Appearently got lost in the Mail"
No biggy. I just want to make that clear.

Before all of this A call was made to AL to find a dealer that sold these specific bikes and AL gave me his Info. He is a AL dealer.

I have no clue as to why the insurance found out before the state. But clearly the vin is 3-4 numbers off to the title.

Also the Lady from AL read my correct VIN to me off of whatever File they have from when they shipped the Bike to my dealer.
So, they know the Bike is from them and they gave me the dealer info to begin with.

Lifan is the only company producing the Z50 replica right now. Jincheng doesn't import them anymore. And I don't want to buy used.

I like the look of the Lifan Z50 Hooper sells. I'm set on getting that style if this whole nightmare is ever behind me.

I won't be buying the lifan from a AL Dealer.... Hooper will probably get my Money.

All this grief over a little Damn bike..... :( Its really a shame too I looked forward to using this ct clone on my 7 Mile commute on surface streets this year....

phil

01-25-2009, 10:16 AM

i understand what happened i also understand that there were dropping balls all over the field. hopefully the results from this will be more people learning the ways al does things and maybe with luck everyone will learn the distributor controls the reputation of the company and the owners who produce these bikes will take notice and learn that sales does not mean they make it here hopefully the result might be shawn reads this and finds in order to shut up the problem he sends you the correct mso but anyhow take a look at these if you are intrested let me know ill see if i can find them reasonable http://www.hondaminitrail.com/z50.html

dsrt4

01-26-2009, 09:35 AM

Well....

Last night I finally had to get the bike out of the garage and Put it in the workshop.

Just looking at it when I pull in infuriates me...

I know that seems petty :oops:

BUG

01-26-2009, 10:47 AM

I once had a Honda four wheeler that had a lost MSO. I was able to register it, think i had to take a picture of the VIN number on the frame, have the local police run the VIN number and make out a statement that it wasn't stolen, have a notarized statement how it was obtained and fill out a couple forms at the DMV. This was several years ago. You may want to check with your states DMV.

dsrt4

01-26-2009, 11:33 AM

I have asked about that. Since the bike was already registered under a sketchy MSO the only way to correct it is with the Correct MSO.

I asked about the vin ID from say a state inspection shop but it wouldn't work in this case I was told by the state dmv..

dsrt4

01-26-2009, 07:27 PM

This is what the state said I Would have to do.

"Dennis,

You will need to get the correct MSO from the dealership. Unfortunately, if you cannot obtain a properly assigned MSO you will need to contact your local circuit court to obtain a Declaratory Judgment. The judgment will award you ownership of the unit so you may title it in your name."

That's awesome!!!! So That means More money spent for my Super special Non Grey Market American Lifan BUT NOW in court.

culcune

01-26-2009, 07:36 PM

Wow, you really do have a special bike--the court has to give you a title!!

IronFist

01-26-2009, 08:34 PM

Going to court for title?
Will it be Sir Lifan? Or Lord Lifan?:lol:

Sorry to hear it's been such a battle, but if going to court gets it on the road, it's worth it. :wink:

Cal25

01-27-2009, 08:43 AM

If I had to go to court, I think I would blow off the title and sue AL and the dealer for damages and costs associated.

dsrt4

01-27-2009, 08:44 AM

Last night I called and left another Voice message and emailed him twice.

I also made a call again to American Lifan to ask again for their assistance on their Voicemail........

Here's a kicker for you.

A "Dirty Nasty Grey Market" lifan dealer Contacted me Via email late last night.

He offered to me (at a very susbstantial discount) a Lifan Ct style frame and open MSO.

I have bought parts from him before for a few Z50 projects. He knows the trouble I have been having with the American Lifan Dealer.

So the most help yet I have received as of yet wasn't even from American Lifan or its dealer....... It was from a Independant Grey market Bike dealer and he came to me with the offer.

Its definetly tempting and I will consider it after contacting the BBB And the IL Attorney Generals office to file a complaint...

I wonder if I should complain to the BBB about American Lifan itself? I almost don't think that would even matter. They have a Ton of marks against them on the BBB's page already?

culcune

01-27-2009, 10:29 AM

I think you need to start with the Ill. Attorney Gen.'s office, and that is tomorrow, from what you wrote on Saturday. You have given them long enough.

The plus of filing with the BBB is that you can give your specifics, and they will have another mark against them; every one of the negatives adds up to something!

americanlifan

01-27-2009, 01:58 PM

Unfortunately this post was just brought to my attention.

I have spoke to this customer on many occasions...

American Lifan does not have a retail license in order to correctly title a vehicle.... Therefore we cannot just print up another MSO for this customer and send directly to him.

Every time I call the dealer in question he picks the phone right up and explains that he has no problem helping this customer with this situation. We have infact sent a duplicate MSO to the dealer.... this was months ago.... it should not be an issue anymore.

Shawn

IronFist

01-27-2009, 02:09 PM

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject:

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dstr4: Good bump.

"Everyone else: I'm not sure what has happened to this forum but due to so much negativity we really neglect to read everything on here. " Shawn.

I'm still trying to stay positive Shawn.
You gotta admit, you guys make it hard to stay positive, this long, after so many people have said the same thing.

Wow that took 2 minutes from my last post. He is fast.

Cal25

01-27-2009, 02:26 PM

I would consider it an issue if i spent 1000 bucks for a bike that can not be ridden as intended.

dsrt4

01-27-2009, 02:53 PM

Unfortunetly................It is STILL very much a issue.

BTW.......This is the first I am hearing about a Duplicate MSO.??

I'm not Sure I have ever Spoken to you Shawn except for the first time when I could not contact the dealer for weeks to see about my Drivers License. You talked to me "Many times" Doubtful.....

Im pretty Sure I Talked to a Female and a guy named Greg (maybe) the last time when I Was Brushed off and my call was dropped Repeatedly and then finally got the brush off.

Regaurdless, why wasn't I informed you sent him a duplicate MSO??. That would seem to be pretty Important for me to know right?

Despite this Statement..... "We have infact sent a duplicate MSO to the dealer.... this was months ago."

Heres the Facts...

I Still Do not have the vin # Matching MSO and your American Lifan Dealer does not bother picking up the phone for me.

TeamCheap

01-27-2009, 03:45 PM

Selling NEW vehicles with correct paperwork seems very simple to me and should be little more than a slight delay to fix if a problem comes up.

Instead of A.L. worring about the "greys" being sold they should have focused more on the SCREENING of their POTENTIAL dealers so they can find RESPONSIBILE BUSINESS people in which to sell thru.

A.L. being the beginning of the chain here I'd think they would eagle eye a dealer that causes them problems until the problematic dealer straightens up or drop them as a dealer.
(yeah some costumers are the problem but most just want what they paid for)

Where is the logic in having a dealer that causes problems and bad press especially for a company trying to get a foot hold in an established marketplace.

None of it really matters to me though and I doubt it matters to A.L. anymore.
(atleast it seems like they aren't doing much of anything anymore)
I wonder if the local A.L dealer is still there Hmmm I may have to run over there this weekend to take a look.

dsrt4

01-27-2009, 03:53 PM

Its Still there.

I have had Co-workers zip by there already. They said the lights are on and the guys truck was there.

Plus Shawn Stated He can get a hold of him.............The guy picks the Phone right up!

dsrt4

01-27-2009, 04:54 PM

New post's from the American Lifan Forum thread I Started...
These are not PM's they are from this thread...
http://www.americanlifan.com/lifan3/customer/viewtopic.php?t=1397

It's Dennis right?

I do understand your frustration.. We have done our part in order to get this situation corrected...

What number to you have for the dealer? Maybe this is the problem? Also, PM me your number and I will have him call you.

Thanks again,

Shawn

Yes, thats me.

Im not sure if you really understand my Frustration Shawn.
If I Ride my Bike and get pulled over.... My bike will be impounded. That's Directly from the State DMV In Jeff City..

I am sorry, I am not getting the Service I Expected From American Lifan again... I Went out of my way to get this bike from your Dealer. I paid more and traveled out of state.

I Do not want to Hear the line of BS from this Dealer again.
He Can Contact me at my Email Address which I will PM to you. I Do not want to speak to him.

He Has my Number, He Supposedly has My mailing address and he has my Email Address. Did you read any of my First post's. All this was stated..

5. I Just Want my MSO and I Want to Be Done with AMERICAN LIFAN.
............................

If it takes you sending him another MSO.... Having him fill it out and Mail it back to you and Then you mail it to me, so be it. Maybe he will give a care if your waiting on it.

Even then, He probably won't fill out the correct areas like before and then it will be another fiasco...

dsrt4

01-27-2009, 05:54 PM

More from the American Lifan Forum.

Even though, I really do not feel that your anger should be directed at American Lifan I will get with the dealer and see what his malfunction is...

Shawn

It's not just directed at American Lifan.

But yes, I am in fact upset that American Lifan did not help more out with their Dealer on this issue and the past issues.

I Don't like reading stuff like this...........

If anyone has a problem with a Lifan product that was purchased through our dealer network I would be glad to help. Email me: Shawn@americanlifan.com

Thanks,

Shawn From ChinaRiders.net

And then Being told, "We are just a Distributor, We cant' help"

And now Finding out a Duplicate MSO was mailed to him and I Was never informed...

Obviously you did have some way to help and its only coming out now??

That's a little Upsetting bar none.
How do you think I Should direct this Anger after all of that??

Jim

01-27-2009, 05:58 PM

IronFist

01-27-2009, 05:58 PM

dsrt4

01-27-2009, 06:22 PM

Well about the duplicate mso being sent, I don't see why A.L. would contact you? That is really business between the dealer and the distributor, the dealer should have let you know he was getting a new mso on the other hand.

That's all fine and dandy but when I called American Lifan and they said "We can't just print out a duplicate MSO "

That changes it up a bit. Don't you think?

Jim

01-27-2009, 06:27 PM

Yeah that does, they may need to work on their communication, maybe they meant what Shawn said here, that they can't just print it and give it to you, that it has to go through a retail dealership?

phil

01-27-2009, 06:27 PM

well, i sure am glad they have everything strightened out , i just knew that american lifan wasnt at falt. dsrt i guess you just need to check the mail box im sure your correct mso is there, i bet if you told whoever pulled you over that lifan has sent it they would let you go :lol:
p.s.
i keep waiting for ed to swing by ever since i got that letter that said i was a winner 8O

dsrt4

01-27-2009, 06:44 PM

Yeah that does, they may need to work on their communication, maybe they meant what Shawn said here, that they can't just print it and give it to you, that it has to go through a retail dealership?

No.... They told me "We can't send a duplicate. He (dealer) has to fill out a affidavit saying what happend and you will have to send that to the state"

So.......To me that means no one is getting a Replacement MSO..

IronFist

01-27-2009, 11:09 PM

Shawn:
There are so many posts on this site where people have said how much they like their Lifan, and so few post where people said they didn't. I loved my Xingyue and it didn't hold a candle to one of your Lifan bikes. That's a positive statement about Lifan, and it's the truth.

Is it possible to talk to your dealers and ask them to help the people buying Lifan street bikes, until they actually get their street bikes legally on the road?

If your dealers helped riders get their plates, or the plates were sent to the dealership, you sir would sell a lot of bikes next year.

Parts for the customer would become secondary. Third on the customer list would be the price of the bike, after licence and parts. Getting plates for a street bike is important to your customers, our site members.

By the time I hear about a member's problem, the person is usually a little angry and feeling ripped off. The only help I can be is how to get around the dealer, going to court if necessary.

Nevertheless, I have to remember you are a member here too. I am sorry if I've not been positive enough. Let me try to turn that around.

If someone here is upset, and I think you can help with their lifan problem, can I act as a mediator? That way you don't have to deal with a disgruntled customer, and the site member gets their problem solved, and Lifan's reputation gets further improved on this site.

I'll sign up to your site. I won't post to your forum. I'll just let you know when a member has a Lifan problem. You can work with the dealer, and me instead of an angry person. It'll be up to you if you want to help and increase the positive footprint of your target market. I really just want to help our members. I.F.

culcune

01-28-2009, 12:32 AM

IronFist, that is a good idea. I have my opinions of AL, and have had positive interactions with Shawn here on Chinariders, but I keep reading about these issues, and I feel some sort of "ownership" having been here so long, and reading how AL is supposed to be moving towards being an elite company among the Chinese; going along the lines of a mainline Japanese company. I could never imagine anyone buying a Suzuki, and getting such shoddy service not only from a dealer, but from Suzuki America (or whatever the US headquarters is called).

I know that a Lifan dealership might not be in the same "league," at this point, of a major label brand, but if someone paid good money for a bike, after having gone through AL's main office to obtain a dealer's name, and getting the runaround, I would expect the issue to be taken care of long before. Someone from AL should have followed up with the customer. I would think that if I was working for AL, I would have gone so far as having the customer swap the bike with me directly, and paying for the shipping, all to avoid the negative publicity. Dealing with the dealer later would have someone's a%$ on the line, or losing a franchise, but at least the customer could have come on here and said what a great thing that AL did, rather than AL blowing them off and saying that it is the dealer's issue. Now that it has blown up, Shawn is here trying to smooth things over, not the greatest feeling I can imagine, but a place where he didn't have to be, either!

I distinctly remember the ATVDiscounter bait and switch situation...ATVDiscounter posted a road-legal bike on their site, and sent out an off-road only to that member's state bike, that had originated from AL. No, it wasn't an authorized dealer, but the bikes did not come here through "gray" channels either--they were from AL who really should have stepped up to the plate and tried to mediate something with the guy. That really made me think twice of ever ordering from AL--if there is a bike I like, such as the GY-5 or a trail bike, I can find them elsewhere--I know that Hooper stocks the trail bikes, and seems to deal on the up and up, as I have never seen any of Hooper's customers here having to rant about his business. Paperwork has never been an issue with him, and he is, according to Lifan of China's website, not even supposed to be dealing in their products!

Then again, perhaps AL's issues stem from its home company in China. On the one hand, they have dealt directly with Hooper for years, and on the other hand they are ripping him a new one on their main site claiming that he is not supposed to be selling their products. What the heck?!

I am waiting for Qingqi, Shineray, or Galaxy to get here, and avoiding Lifan unless I really want that trailbike that I lusted after at the age of 10--but I will order it from Hooper, you can be sure of that!!

Jim

01-28-2009, 12:41 AM

I don't know how you can blame AL for the issues with ATVD, essential ATVD bought a whole sale lot of bikes, they didn't have any sort of contract for AL to offer warranty or support their customers. AL had nothing to do with that. ATVD is the one who was scamming and lying to people. And then after that we need to consider the source, the person who was posting on this subject probably was not doing his best to deal with them as it was, and not overly reliable as a source of information. Still AL did try to clear up how they may or may not have been involved in that.

This subject is way off topic. This is about dsrt4 needing a new mso from his dealership.

ejcycles

01-28-2009, 07:33 AM

Jim

You are so correct! This happens all the time on this forum! I have seen it on posts I have made numerous times, and others. Another issue about that post is this letter:
http://www.lifan.com/en//corpnews_list.asp?docid=8885&parentid=358

it says nothing about Hopper imports, neither does The Am. Lifan US site. Then is mentioned Suzuki, I have in 8 3/4 yrs. in business seen written denials that Suzuki wouldn't cover a warranty. I have read it in Consumer Motorcycle News, "an independent magazine" also. Enough said. Go ahead..."Make My DAY".

Sorry about the thread robbery, now back to "dsrt4" issue.

dsrt4

Believe me, if Shawn says he's going to get something done he will. He has for me and I have for him, and many others. Yes there may be disgruntled Ex-Dealers and customers here on CR but you can't make everyone happy. No you will Not be banned from The Am. Lifan Forum, there is no reason for you to be banned.

I have said this before and will say it again. There has only been One User Banned from the Am. Lifan forum, I Banned him/her, acted as if he where a girlfriend of a person, amlifan, txredbird, etc on the forum.
No one answered the post of apology I made here about bans, if they could get on or not.
Believe me this will be corrected.

culcune

01-28-2009, 09:52 AM

Thanks for chiming in, Bruce. I take back some of what I said. If you would mail order, or move to Arizona, you are the only AL dealer I would ever deal with, but then again, I would buy SunL products off of you, too! It's you, Bruce, not the brand. I do think that AL has let down people, and are arrogant on top of that. Bruce, I think AL needs to hire you on in some capacity (with a big salary), and I would not hesitate to buy AL products--so I do take back some of what I said, but only if you are involved in the deal!

I do recommend anyone who has the luxury of living in the vicinity of EJCycles to deal with Bruce--no matter what brand he sells!!

frostbite

01-28-2009, 10:08 AM

I second that!

I do recommend anyone who has the luxury of living in the vicinity of EJCycles to deal with Bruce--no matter what brand he sells!!

katoranger

01-28-2009, 10:16 AM

I already told Bruce that I plan to make the 12 hour drive to buy my next bike from him.

As for this thread, I think we all know now what dealer to avoid. It is not AL(Shawn's) fault for what the dealer does, but they are partially responsible since the dealer does represent their company and product. It is in there best interest to do everything they can to help and Shawn is probably working on it to the best of his ability.

I am not a paid supporter of AL or any of its dealers and do not intend to imply so. I am just stating my take on this issue and the above may not be the case. That is my disclaimer.

dsrt4

01-28-2009, 11:03 AM

Ufortunetly this is probably my last American Lifan I will have bought.

This weekend I have rented a truck to pickup a Z50 Reproduction from a dealer 7 hours away from me.

The Money I saved from Buying a Grey Market Lifan was enough to rent the truck, gas there and back and a night stay at a cheap motel If I need to pull off the road..

I want to add......
Bruce has been a stand up guy here and on the American Lifan forums for sure.

If I ever need Parts for the American Lifan I have I will go through him.

katoranger

01-28-2009, 11:06 AM

I wouldn't give up on the AL bike though. I know how you feel. I went through a similar process with my bike. Shawn was helpful, but he was not able to do much. In the end my dealer came through. It was more of an issue with the state.

Allen

TeamCheap

01-28-2009, 04:38 PM

OK well my thoughts on A.L. selling those bikes to ATVD is this.

It was wrong :!: (IMO)
They come out and get all whiney/preachy about the gray market bikes and then turn around and dump a bunch of bikes that they couldnt move into the gray market. Hmmm I'm just scratching my head trying to figure that one out.
Keeps coming up HYPOCRITES but then it doesnt really matter to me as its all in the past NOW.

Some of the dealers out there appear to be serious drug users "atleast to me" in how they run their business and that cant be helped by manufactorers/suppliers like A.L. and others although I wish it could.(mandatory drug testing for potential dealers :lol: )

Ohh well atleast I can get to bruces place in about 2 hours or less if need be, I almost stopped in there when I ran to PA recently.

dsrt4
As a last resort you could always part it out and probably make more than you paid for it and then go buy something else.

dsrt4

01-29-2009, 07:38 AM

Nothing has happend yet. No Emails...... Nothing from American Lifan or the Dealer..

I'm not parting the bike out. Depending on what the IL State Attorney says about the situation, I may need the bike together for them.

On a side note..... They weather looks great this weekend for my 500 mile trip to The Grey Market Lifan Dealer to Pick up my new Z50 replica!!!

At Least I'll be able to ride that goofy thing this summer.......

dsrt4

01-31-2009, 12:41 PM

Nothing has happend as of yet.

Shawn was able to get a hold of him after a few days of trying.
I'm not sure what the excuse was for not sending me the replacment MSO.

Shawn said the dealer couldn't give a reason to why he never answered my calls.

I am pretty sure I just need the mso.. But I contacted my State dmv and asked if there was anything else I needed anyway...

I don't know specifics as to what Shawn and the dealer talked about. I just know he finally got ahold of him...

This guy will prolly just string Shawn along too...

iMoose

01-31-2009, 08:47 PM

I'm so glad I didn't buy AL.

Despite all the poo-pooing of the Sierras, I bought one of those locally.

Sure, there isn't much of a warranty included. So I didn't expect much to begin with.

But low and behold, even after it was out of warranty I was helped by the local dealer. He said he intentionally bought a couple bikes to have "spare" parts on-hand, just in case. THAT'S a smart guy.

And the fact he helped me out, when he clearly DID NOT have any obligation to....... ensures he's got my business.

I'll be buying another bike from him in the spring. He's even offered to sell my bike FOR me, on HIS lot!

HUH?!?!?! Now there's a guy that stands by his product.

But then again there's now about 10 China-bike dealers in my area, when there used to only be two!

And Zongshen seems to be the most popular brand around here.

To get a Lifan, ya gotta go to the shady part of town and buy from a place that also sells carpets. lol

P.S.- Yeah, it's been a while since I've posted. I haven't had ANY trouble, and been too busy RIDING. Glad to see you guys are still at it! Helping people who can't get help from their dealers or AL. And letting people vent their frustration. lol

Now if only I could get my hands on a dang Shineray VII "Long March"!
Anybody got a lead on one of those?

Jim

01-31-2009, 09:28 PM

After seeing the triple trees and entire front end snap off the bike I can't bring myself to be interested in riding one of those... :?

warrior91

01-31-2009, 10:56 PM

At least it could be ridden on the road...unlike a quality Lifan Brick and mortar bike...lol ...or should I just say A.L BRICK???
(loving his cheap, no warranty , running grey market bikes)

iMoose

02-01-2009, 04:38 AM

After seeing the triple trees and entire front end snap off the bike I can't bring myself to be interested in riding one of those... :?

Yeah, I read about that too. But I know how to weld(not well!), and more importantly I know a welder that's a freakin' artist. He does that all the time for Harley guys with similar troubles.

Those things are just so dang HEAVY. And some of the custom frames for those Harley chopper things aren't exactly meant to take too much abuse. They look rad, but are more show than go. He tells me he sees at least one a month with similar stress troubles. On any part of the frame. Some of those big twins torque cracks into the frame as well.

I know, I'm making excuses for the Shineray because I just like the way they look so much.

So I'd plan on having him add some gussets when I could afford it. I don't plan on any jumping anyways!

But who knows what I'd have to get her to do if the zombies attack. 8O

I think that people place very high expectations on these bikes. I like them for their price. And that's really it. And with the help of this site, I've found some weaknesses to address. And planned accordingly. And they're WAY cooler than scooters.
Ever heard that joke?

What do scooters and fat girls have in common?

(I'm not going to finish that one unless asked to do so! lol)

warrior91

02-01-2009, 01:04 PM

Fun to ride until your friends see you...

dsrt4

02-01-2009, 10:34 PM

At least it could be ridden on the road...unlike a quality Lifan Brick and mortar bike...lol ...or should I just say A.L BRICK???
(loving his cheap, no warranty , running grey market bikes)

Rub it in why dont ya! :(

warrior91

02-02-2009, 10:12 PM

If you can't be part of the cure...be part of the problem :!:
:wink:

knothead

02-09-2009, 03:22 PM

I'm no expert, but IIRC it's not legal to sell a new bike without an MSO (some dealers will send it in and get a title for you)... either way they are supposed to get some form of documentation to you that shows the legal status of the bike.
If all else fails, check with the relevant state's attorney general. It might just be the leverage you need to get the dealer moving.

Failing that, see if you can get a "builder's title" on the bike. Here in Tennessee all it takes is an inspection to see that the bike is safe and road worthy, then the state issues a new VIN and title.

Good Luck!

dsrt4

02-09-2009, 04:04 PM

I have contacted the IL state Attorney and the BBB about them

Niether the BBB or the IL state has contacted me back.

American Lifan told me they got ahold of him one time and that was it. He doesn't return any of their calls.

Now they know what I have been going through with this guy since I bought the bike...

Everything has to go through him.
He has to fill out a affidavit and sign and fill out the replacement MSO.

Seems simple but even with American Lifan Finally getting involved they cannot get anywhere with him either.

culcune

02-09-2009, 04:12 PM

Does your state do bonded titles? What Knothead mentioned is how Tenn. gives titles--here in Arizona, you go to a bonding agent (usually a office that does insurance, and other such business) and have the bonding agent issue a bonded title request. It costs approx. 10% of the value of the vehicle. This guarantees to the state that no one else can claim they own the vehicle. Check into it for your state (if I remember, you aren't in ILL, but bought the bike there, but I don't think you ever mentioned what state you live in) to see if a bonded title would suffice.

TeamCheap

02-09-2009, 04:33 PM

American Lifan told me they got ahold of him one time and that was it. He doesn't return any of their calls.

Seems simple but even with American Lifan Finally getting involved they cannot get anywhere with him either.Maybe he's sitting in a jail cell somewhere.
Sold some bikes and went right to the crack house but got caught with a pocket full of dope and a wad of cash.
(now his cell mate "big bubba" is looking for some crack - who knows :lol: )

This dealer sounds like just one more of the many that have no real place in this or any other business.

Dealers like this make A.L. look bad and must be a HUGE imbarrassment to them.
A more thorough screening of potentional dealers from the importer would seem to be a mandatory procedure to avoid all this.

And sadly it really is very simple for a dealer to do what they should do but some just cant get it.
(unless maybe they dont have a dealers license for their state and are ducking the law)

dsrt4

02-09-2009, 06:40 PM

He has a Business license in IL.

He has also been at the shop when I had friends that live nearby drive by the building.

So he is there.... He just pre screens mine and American Lifans calls..

TeamCheap

02-09-2009, 07:48 PM

Ohh......................so he's just a NUTT.

Jim

02-09-2009, 10:11 PM

Are they waiting on the paper work to come through the mail, or is the dealer doing something else and should have it by now?

dsrt4

02-09-2009, 10:23 PM

A week or so ago Shawn Said he got ahold of him and told him he was getting everything together for the dealer and would be sending it out.
After the paperwork was to have gotten to the dealer All the dealer had to do was sign it and call me. That was it.

Well, Shawn apparently had a question for him before he sent the paperwork and from that point on he never could get ahold of the dealer via phone and email I presume.

That's were we sit now. American lifan has the paperwork still because the dealer is I assume...ignoring him.

Cal25

02-10-2009, 08:25 AM

Perhaps Shawn could send you the paper work without the signature? Then you just have to show up at his buisness when he is there and have him sign it.

mrhyak

02-10-2009, 12:11 PM

What I wonder is why AL would even allow this dealer to remain as an American Lifan outlet. Doesn't sound like the kind of person/dealership I would want to represent my product.

Universal_Diver

02-10-2009, 03:32 PM

Then you just have to show up at his business when he is there and have him sign it.

This is Exactly the kind of @&#% that the china dealers around me pull.
It wasn't specific to AL though.

It was so frustrating before I found the dealer I did online. B and M here were all Over priced by a HUGE amount and always shady.

I hope it works out for you. You are a better man than me I guess, cause I would have already been in a heap of trouble. :twisted:

dsrt4

02-11-2009, 09:11 AM

Update:

American Lifan finally was able to get in touch with this guy to get the rest of his info.

American Lifan is sending him a package containing everything he needs to fill out. He is to Mail it back to American Lifan.

They will in turn send it to me via Priority mail.

This is where it sucks just little more. In my last conversation with the State DMV, They stated.......

"You should really have a MO State HWY Patrol Inspection on the Motorcycle to verify the Bike With correct VIN is in fact in your possesion. Send what paperwork you get along with the MSO and affidavit from the Dealer"

So that means More money spent Besides the earlier Late fee and the
"I mailed it" Replacment Drivers License I had to get.

I now have to take off a day of work for the inspection because of the hours they perform the inspections. The actual Inspection should be free...I hope.

I am really ready for this nightmare to be over....

DDG1976

02-11-2009, 11:18 AM

katoranger

02-11-2009, 11:31 AM

dsrt4

I am not sure if you mentioned it, but what state are you in? This info may help.

Hopefully the dealer will follow through and sign the papers and send them back.

Sounds like it may have at least moved a step forward.

Allen

dsrt4

02-11-2009, 01:40 PM

I live in St Louis Mo About 50 miles away from the American Lifan Dealer
in IL.

Heres Is The American Lifan Dealer New Athens Power Sports reply to the BBB Complaint I made....

This is a Copy and paste word for word from The American Lifan Dealer New Athens Power Sports...

"We did make a mistake and gave the client the wrong paperwork. We mailed the paperwork and he steded he never recieved the documents. We resent the Documents to the client on 02/09/2009. The client is rude. There are some people you would not want to do business with and he is one of them. We have taken care of the problem twice and will not deal with hime again."

Let's look beyond the 3rd grade Grammar here because I know for sure I dont have perfect Grammar...... Spell checker is free btw..

American Lifan only sent the Paperwork TO HIM Yesterday The 10th!.... I have a picture of the UPS sticker... So....... Nothing has been mailed to me from him. Ever.. Nothing will be mailed to me until American Lifan Mails it to me.

As far as being rude? You can bet your ass *If he would have ever Picked up the phone* I for sure would have been rude! LOL!

But since he never returned My calls......I was never given the opprutunity to be rude...

And I Will tell you what... He can count on having to deal with me again if he screws up this time as well.

phil

02-11-2009, 07:11 PM

i can see the spelling but i cant spell either just for the record if you spell that bad i doubt he will ever get a spellchecker i dont have one but i hate toolbars but i could use reccomendations and typing classes :lol:
dsrt i feel for you i still think this was a multiple screw-up by the dealer and a lack of going the extra mile by the distributor. what would i do???? i have a lot of friends, im sure everyone does or should. i would ask one of them for help even if i had to buy a friend

p.s. i forgot to mention a few of my friends are lawers, lots of lawers ride now

olddude

02-12-2009, 08:44 PM

It looks like I made the right dicisions through igonorance.My first china bike was a Jet moto from race way New York the trouble with it was me.
they replaced the front wheel and the fuel petcock with the warranty if
I would have locktighted it.It would have been trouble free 12500kph.
Next bike 200gy-5 from atv discounters so far 12000kph it`s
trouble free.

dsrt4

02-12-2009, 09:38 PM

The Dealer recived the package today and has to sign for it even.

Lets see how Fast he sends it back.

I know for a fact Shawn is flat PISSED at this guy as well.
He has been hammering on him pretty hard and even resorted to finding the guys Home Number and getting him there. LOL!!!!

Damn! I may be able to drag this thing out of the shed and put it back in the garage!!

Fingers crossed the dealer does his damn job!

DDG1976

02-13-2009, 04:37 AM

dsrt4

02-19-2009, 10:09 AM

Its been just shy of a week since the Package was delivered to the American Lifan Dealer, New Athens Power Sports and no one has heard from him yet.

All he had to do was sign the paperwork and put the Label on it that American Lifan filled out and sent along with the box.. Must be too hard for him to figure out?

I wasn't expecting much from him anyway..

Jim

02-21-2009, 11:11 PM

Any further progress yet?

dsrt4

02-22-2009, 11:29 AM

Nothing............ He received the package a week ago and has neglected to return any of American Lifans Calls or Emails since..

TeamCheap

02-22-2009, 06:00 PM

He probably smoked it .....he sounds like a druggie to me.

Who'd have thought it would take much longer to get it registered than it did for it to be made and shipped over on a freighter.

dsrt4

02-22-2009, 08:12 PM

He must be just too busy with his 5 other Business he runs out of that place.

Or....... He smoked them..

PremierScooters

02-22-2009, 11:55 PM

I don't know about your state, but here in SC I had to get a surety bond to become a South Carolina motor vehicle dealer. I'm not really sure exactly how the whole surety bond thing works (I just know I needed it) but I would think that you should be able to file a claim against his surety bond. Maybe that will get the ball rolling. Does anyone know how to file a claim against a dealers surety bond?

PremierScooters

02-23-2009, 12:07 AM

I found this. I think it applies to your situation.

Motor vehicle dealer bond forms main part of different types of surety bonds issued all over the world. In general, everybody knows that surety bonds comprise of a lot of bonds, mainly motor vehicle dealer bond fetches more demand among the applicants. It is considered as a more important and vital bond among the people. The main intention of issuing surety bond, i.e. MVD bond is that it protects the public against any default act of obligator or the dealer to the obligee. These bonds can be called in different names like motor vehicle bond, DMV bond, used car dealer bond and in many other names. This bond protects the obligee against the default work or deceitful act of the motor vehicle dealer with regard to buying and selling of motor vehicle in the state. These bonds provide benefits to the obligee by the means of suing the principal in the court of law for non-performance act of the contract. Today, these bonds are issued in different states in different surety bond amounts as per the necessities of the people in different states.

dsrt4

02-23-2009, 04:13 PM

Yay! Here starts another week in my epica saga with the American Lifan Dealer New Athens Power Sports..

The Dealer still has not Mailed the package back to American Lifan and simply refuses to answer their calls.

Here's hoping the State of IL will go after him for fraud.....

dsrt4

03-01-2009, 12:05 PM

UPDATE:

The Dealer sent the Paperwork back to American Lifan and Shawn emailed me the day he got it to say....................

Everything on it is Unledgable........ From the Pictures American Lifan sent, it looks Like he was sh7tfaced when he filled it all in.

Even his dealers # is extremely hard to make out. And he didn't send a copy of the B.O.S

Everything that was needed was specificly stated to the dealer New Athens PowerSports by American Lifan. So he knew exactly what he had to send.

So YAY! Another week begins in the Epic Saga of My Motorcycle...

The BBB has re-opend the case file against him as well...

DDG1976

03-01-2009, 12:38 PM

I still think there should be something A.L. could do, especially after seeing this. It's obvious this guy is not even trying to work with you or A.L. Something as simple as filling out paperwork, and he's jerking your chain. I say we hide outside his shop with a tazer, take his wallet, keys to his shop and truck. See if he likes walking around with nothing. Just a thought.

TeamCheap

03-01-2009, 01:32 PM

They'll never make it with dealers like that....EVER.
In fact it is those types of dealers that are going to make it next to impossible for A.L. and others to sell here/anywhere.

They (they being A.L.) really need to look over the whole business and make some needed changes or they might as well shut the doors on the whole thing.
Ohh sure they'll say they only have a few dealers like that but I'd bet there are a lot more than they'd ever fess up to.

I feel sorry for you dsrt4 here you go and buy from an A.L. dealer and end up worse off than me and my wife who bought ours from the "other" suppliers and had no problems registering ours.
(funny thing is our bikes have an American Lifan sticker on them-makes you wonder)

If I were you I'd probably be looking at sueing or just getting an old honda that has a title and needs an engine and swapping your engine into it.

dsrt4

03-02-2009, 07:51 AM

mrhyak

03-02-2009, 02:59 PM

I Cannot afford to take someone to court Over a $1000 motorcycle.

Old Honda ct70 frames with titles are highly sought after so that isn't a option.

I do have a back up. A "Grey Market" Dealer has Offered a Lifan LF110GY-3 Frame to me for around $200. It is unfortunetly Black and of course I would have to pay for title and tax again

But It will have a Matching MSO and he has offered to hold it for me Until I can see if American Lifan can come through...

Small claims court is all that would be needed (people court type) and it doesn't cost much.

Also, if you paid with a credit card as your card company for a refund then see how fast the dealer responds...

DDG1976

03-04-2009, 04:43 AM

What happens now dsrt4? Did Shawn say anything about where to go from here?

dsrt4

03-04-2009, 09:32 AM

All last week American Lifan tried to get a hold of New Athens Powersports concerning the Lack of Bill of Sale sent back with the other Items.

I Assume That American Lifan was able to get ahold of the dealer this week finally because They stated that the Paperwork would be coming to me shortly.

Again........ Fingers crossed it all goes through and the DMV doesn't have a issue with his Chicken Scratch handwriting..

Even after I get the paperwork, I Still have to Get the Bike Inpected at the HWY Patrol Headquarters unit before I can send all the paperwork in.

That alone is causing me to loose a days pay.... :evil:

dsrt4

03-06-2009, 08:08 AM

Update:

I received the MSO Affidavit and something that sorta kinda resembles a B.O.S.

The penmanship on the Bill of sale and the MSO is actually worse than I thought. His dealer License # is actually so distorted I can't even make out 3 numbers on it?

Hopefully the state accepts it.

Next up..

I need to get it Inspected at the Hwy Patrol Unit next week. Then I can try to do the title correction.

This has been a most Unpleasent experiance. I still feel this was handled poorly from the begining.

Wish me luck!

Cal25

03-06-2009, 08:52 AM

Good luck buddy. Hope this gets settled soon so you can get on the street.

dsrt4

03-10-2009, 08:39 PM

SHEEEESH!!! What a Day!

Sat forever trying to get the bike inspected for way longer than I wanted to.

Then I stood in line at the DMV only to be told That I may not have everything required to do the title correction.

Luckily I printed the email off I got from the State of Mo DOR stating exactly what I needed. The paperwork has been sent to the state and I guess I just need to see if they accept the paperwork and send me a corrected title in a week or so?

I really cannot truly express how much I want for this to be all over.

All this stress over a damn Motorcycle. :roll:

Jim

03-11-2009, 11:43 AM

Good luck.

DDG1976

03-11-2009, 12:01 PM

Are you able to ride the bike in the meantime? I know in my state if even the date is messed up or corrected they charge extra. I hope all works out for you.

dsrt4

03-11-2009, 09:32 PM

Thanks all!

The Title isn't corrected until the state looks over the paperwork and I guess decides if its all copacetic?

So... I don't dare ride it until I hear back from them. :(

I just don't want to take any chances.

culcune

03-11-2009, 10:16 PM

I happened to see this ad on the left of this thread--seems to be appropriate for this discussion. Don't know what states honor surety bonds, but someone could find this useful enough. (dsrt4--plan B?)

http://www.simplebond.com/

dsrt4

03-20-2009, 11:19 AM

I expect Shaun to show up here soon, to smooth cooling balm on your pocketbook, and to sweep aside any bad press. .

Dang! I never got any cooling balm for my pocket book. :)

Last night my Wife and I actually sat down and figured out what was lost Dollar wise on this whole Deal.

I almost wish I would have bought the Grey Market Dealers frame after figuring it out.

The Bike cost me $895 At the dealer. And I lost a days pay to sit at the HWY patrol.

Missing out on the OT that I can get if I work a 8 hr shift really stuck it to me. Basicly as my wife and I figured out last night, My $895 bike has turned into over a $1200 bike......

I'm glad its licensed legally now though, I'm still upset it took so much time and Money to get it that way..

Heck $400 more and I could have gotten the Hensim 250cc . :)

phil

03-20-2009, 12:57 PM

i dont know where your at but i do have the zong serria but at least its done could you give some details on how fast you run in 1 gear and where or the part number you used for gearing
i still have to give credit to shawn for at least making a apperance here

culcune

03-20-2009, 08:48 PM

For that kind of money, Pitster Pro has a 125cc trail bike that looks interesting.

http://www.pitsterpro.com/bike/specs/id/34

dsrt4

03-21-2009, 05:22 PM

For that kind of money, Pitster Pro has a 125cc trail bike that looks interesting.

http://www.pitsterpro.com/bike/specs/id/34

BAHHHH! Rub it in!

Only Good thing about mine is that it would whoop the Pitster pro :)

phil

03-21-2009, 08:41 PM

they have some good looking stuff anybody know anything about them i contacted them about being a dealer but i turst the people here more than the salesman

culcune

03-21-2009, 11:34 PM

they have some good looking stuff anybody know anything about them i contacted them about being a dealer but i turst the people here more than the salesman

The main guy is named Gary Goodwin, and he seems like an up and up guy. Pitster is supposed to be one of the top Chinese-made pitbikes company, and they are expanding into full size bikes, hence the partnership w/Puzey and the XTR 250 MX, enduro, and motard, and the camping/RV crowd with the 125cc trail bike, as well as the niche, pit-bike crowd. I like the look of their trail bike due to the front fender having a decent amount of space between the tire and it, like the original Honda trail bike, rather than the replica Chinese companies and their trail bikes with the fender right above the tire.