New Vbike V4SW liquid cooled 250cc atv. [b] PIC HEAVY [/b]

[Universal_Diver]

Ordered on Monday at 2 and it arrived in Fla on Thur at 2. Sweet

Came packaged the same as my 250 enduro did, boxed in a steel crate with the Correct paperwork taped to the seat.

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Hardware and Shocks in the box at lower right.


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Motor is normal color not the stupid looking color it was in the ad.



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Metal frame removed


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Arms down and drums on. Drums have a rubber cover over them that should help to keep debris out. Or maybe keep it in. I guess I will find out. :wink:

Need to figure out how to get rid of the wording on the seat. :roll:

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Some of the decals I removed almost had me in tears..............:lol:

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More to follow after V-day :wink:

[SpudRider]

UD, thanks for the great photos! I am popping the corn and getting ready to enjoy a great thread! :D

P.S. You have got to love the "Chinglish" on those stickers! :wink:

Spud :)

[TeamCheap]

When I read stuff like that I try to figure out how they are thinking about what they are talking about or I guess how they process information.

It is interesting and amusing to me but I cant help but picture the puzzled faces they make at our language.

Ahh a new toy....nothing like a new toy.

[SpeedSouth]

Sweet! :D Congrats on the new wheels.

I wish I had a place to ride a 4 wheeler. My dad has a Big Bear he uses for hunting, but I haven't ridden it since my friend traded it to him. I probably shouldn't have told him about flipping it, jumping it, or getting it stuck in some nasty mud...lol





Popcorn have none I for eat but too await more pictoral review good in time. 8O :P

[Jim]

Congrats, it's fun getting them in a crate isn't it ? :)

[TheRealWorld]

Thanks a bunch for the pictures and the info. I can't wait to hear what you think of it. My thoughts on the safety stickers is that they are trying to use some type of Chinese to English conversion and the results is what we get. I had a warning sticker that read "read this carefully or you will be killed". Needles to say I read it very carefully! (I don't take threats lightly)!!!

[SpudRider]

...I had a warning sticker that read "read this carefully or you will be killed". Needles to say I read it very carefully! (I don't take threats lightly)!!!
That is the best one I have ever heard! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Spud :)

[Universal_Diver]

Wife has the flu and we have a 12 month old so I am limited to working on it after both of them are in bed. Here is the latest. So far I am very impressed.


This is pretty much all the hardware.


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Arms together and shock installed.

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This quad uses a 530 chain... :D

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[Jim]

Looking good, bet you can't wait to get it muddy?

[Universal_Diver]

Looking good, bet you can't wait to get it muddy?


You know I was thinking of just that last night when I realized there are No grease fittings on any of the front end joints. As a matter of fact the lower ball joints are welded in. :roll:

Good thing I don't plan on this being a mud runner.......

[TeamCheap]

That thing is a far cry better than my ChinaBlaster I'd ride it.

How tunable are those shocks they look nice.

[Cal25]

I did not see a pic of the right rear. The left rear appears to have the tire mounted backwards. Maybe you just need to swap rears?

[Universal_Diver]

How tunable are those shocks they look nice.

The shocks are nitrogen filled, and have a pretty long run of threads for adjustment. I assume that's where the adjustment would be. I know the cheapy little tool kit that cam with it had a (I think its called spanner) wrench in there.

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[Universal_Diver]

I did not see a pic of the right rear. The left rear appears to have the tire mounted backwards. Maybe you just need to swap rears?

:lol: At first I thought "Damn buddy, give me a little credit."

Then I remembered, that is exactly something I am capable of doing, so I had to go look, and it is on right. Valve stem out. The do have a pretty goofy offset though.

Seeing how there is absolutely zero instructions I am depending on common sense or lack there of..... :lol:

[TheRealWorld]

Do any of you ever wonder where these marketers of Chinese bikes would be with just a little marketing help. How about decent instructions, and assembly pictures and maybe some higher quality technical info.

Will this ATV require a C-Clip adjustment?

[Cal25]

Was'nt talking about the valve stems. I was refering to the directional tread patern on the tires.
Good looking machine! Congrats.

[kczukiman]

Looks really good universal! Have you thought about wheel spacers?
I put them on mine and it really seemed to help a lot.

[TheRealWorld]

Anyone want to tell me what wheel spacers are?

[Universal_Diver]

Anyone want to tell me what wheel spacers are?

They are spacers that move the tires out to give a wider track. Some screw on the studs, and some are just like big washers to go between the axle and the rim. Problem comes when you go too far and put extra stress on things that were not engineered to handle that wide of a footprint. Personally I think its worth the chance.

I don't know why, but all the quads I have ever seen have a more narrow track in the rear, it looks retarded.

Have you thought about wheel spacers?

Nice to hear from you again... :D

Yes as a matter of fact I was going to look tonight for the thread where you talked about the spacers. Your went on the threads correct?

Got them off of Ebay?



I was refering to the directional tread patern on the tires

Yes, I had them on backwards. Never fails, I always do at least one "Doh" thing per project. I of all people should have caught that. I have been running Swampers on my Jeeps for ever. Most of them have been directional. Thanks for pointing it out before any of my friends came over and saw it. :oops:

[Universal_Diver]

Tonight I got the fenders on. Had to redo the hardware situation for the foot pegs/guards. I also got the rear brakes bolted up.
Handle bar adjusted and tightened. Lines seem to be ok and in a chaff free position.

Front bumper on, and started the rear rack.

[kczukiman]

Some have said that they put stress on the wheel,but I had no problems.Also I have not read any actual problems from people who have used them on an ATV sight that I belong to.
these are the ones I used on the rear tires.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ATV-QUAD-WHEEL-SPACERS-fit-HONDA-TRX-90cc-250cc-300cc_W0QQitemZ370159960194QQihZ024QQcategoryZ4398 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[kczukiman]

With the three inch spacers

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[Universal_Diver]

These are the ones I used on the rear tires.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ATV-QUAD-WHEEL-SPACERS-fit-HONDA-TRX-90cc-250cc-300cc_W0QQitemZ370159960194QQihZ024QQcategoryZ4398 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I wonder if the studs on mine are the same.

Those are what I need. Thanks.

I just hate to waste 30 bucks if they are the wrong thread size.

[kczukiman]

If in doubt I would ask Tim, But I am almost sure you have a 10mm hub.Most Chinese quads are.

[Universal_Diver]

Here is the final product with all the goofy decals removed. I will do some vids as soon as I can. So far, all I can say is that I am damn glad I saved about 6 grand and went with this quad. Is it Jap quality? Umm No.... Is it good enough for a first learner? Hell yes. Is it worth the twelvehundo ? Absolutely.

I will enjoy it till I break it beyond repair, then buy another. :wink:

Once again I am the Guinea Pig. I Have a buddy doing a Utility and another one doing the same quad I just did. I will probably do more pics for the Utility. I know not everyone cares to read this stuff, but when I was searching CR I wish I would have found a few more posts like this. :)

Wheel spacers for the rear are coming.
If anyone needs any close ups or different pics just ask.

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[katoranger]

Looks great. I think you are going to be happy with the wheel spacers too. The rear looks too narrow otherwise.



Allen

[TheRealWorld]

I am glad you are taking the time to fill us in, it is a great education. Hey, please encourage your friend that is buying the utility, to post his opinion. I know many people in my area who are watching to see what you think of yours. My associates are farmers and outdoors people and are mostly the utility type.

[katoranger]

I would be more likely to purchase a utility quad too.

[kczukiman]

Wow,Thats a nice 1200.00 ride!Looks better then the V4S for sure.Did you check to see if it has the LLL on the motor bolts?I was wondering if that is the Lifan motor on it as well?

[tehspec64]

Yeah I'm picking up the v4sw becuz of all the good things v4s has had said I looked into a few things of what people were saying about the water cooled one and could not pass ordered today wish me luck!!

[TheRealWorld]

Who did you order it from, and what is the cost? Good luck with it.

[kczukiman]

Congrats tehspec64, Good luck to you as well!

[coloradotrailrider]

Kman I forsee a V4SW in your future, you know you want one :D

Nice ATV UD, the Vbikes are really coming along way with the upgrades over the V4S.

[tehspec64]

Ordered from vbike and being shipped here for 1300! If all goes well I'm looking at an enduro if they get em in :( , I guess they go like hotcakes, on a saturday morning.

[Universal_Diver]

Ordered from vbike and being shipped here for 1300! If all goes well I'm looking at an enduro if they get em in :( , I guess they go like hotcakes, on a saturday morning.

I hope you enjoy it. So far I have no complaints with either of my purchases from Tim, I think the Wife will soon be talked into a Utility :D

I sometimes still miss my enduro. I just got street scared and it had to go.
Was not fun for me any longer. 8O


On a side note I did just have my first problem with the Quad.

Not a big deal but a pain to find. 2 second call to Tim and all was clear.

The start button is not exactly secured very well against people like me who believe if it doesnt start imediatly then you just push harder on the starter button :roll: My bad I know, but here are the pics anyway.

No comments from the funny farm on my paintshop labels.

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I hope this makes sense, the switch will push in from the outside and will no longer make contact when pushed. I put a little piece of rubber behind it to fill the gap so when I fat finger it there will be no way for it to push in.

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Other issue had was the fuel shut off valve. Manual says it is on the right of the tank, I found it under the tank. Not sure what is open reserve (if there is one) or what is closed. I will have to pull the line off the carb and work it I guess. Should the arrow point towards the fuel line output nipple?

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[mmprestine]

Looks decent. I have been following this thread and been looking for info on this wheeler so I am glad to see some posting. Anyway that you could get some video of it running and you riding it? At the least could you take a picture with an adult on it so I can get an idea of the size of the unit? Some units are sold as adult but just youth type with bigger tires.

Good luck and keep posting as I will be watching.

Matt

[TheRealWorld]

Some times you can use the tire size as a gauge on actual size, but a picture would be cool. I called V Bike and they have a new 300 utility coming in, I will let you know what it looks like, and if I like it I may order one. I won't know anything for a week or so, but he said he will get back to me when info is available.

[daboostcreep]

I have some questions regarding upgrading these. Does a performance style air filter, performance exhaust, NGK spark plug, and rejetting help these like it does the enduro bikes?

If possible, can you shoot some pictures of the airbox/carb area? Anyone know what size carb they use?

My sister and I may want to each buy one, but i've gotta be able to tweak on them, cause I've always got the itch and a few bucks burning a hole in my pocket.

[katoranger]

I have some questions regarding upgrading these. Does a performance style air filter, performance exhaust, NGK spark plug, and rejetting help these like it does the enduro bikes?

If possible, can you shoot some pictures of the airbox/carb area? Anyone know what size carb they use?

My sister and I may want to each buy one, but i've gotta be able to tweak on them, cause I've always got the itch and a few bucks burning a hole in my pocket.

Yes.

[tehspec64]

Need to make a photobucket account fer pics but if you search vbike on youtube you'll find a v4s with an adult riding it the guy has a few posts and I assume the v4sw is same size. gets here thurs and have two days off b4 the weekend shift so I got time to work on it I'll keep everyone one updated.

[mmprestine]

I believe these are the all the same unit.

http://menintools.com/sunlatv250.html

http://www.atvdiscounter.com/ATVs/Adult-ATVs/250cc-ATVs-and-Above-138206/3946094--ATV-69/ProductInfo.aspx

http://www.sunl.com/productoverviewdetails.asp?model=SLA%20019-5%20F:19X7-8/21X7-10%20R:18X9.5-8/20X10-10&category=ATVs%20200cc%20-%20250cc&pid=309

http://www.kandivehicle.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProductInfoExhibit.html?ProductInfoExhibit_Product ID=c373e9161e8c6a268fff2f83e17d912c&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false#

Matt

[Universal_Diver]

Sorry I have not gotten a vid riding yet. Honestly I am just lazy, and a little short on time with the little ones 1 st birthday, but mostly just lazy. :oops:

I am 6'1" 260 and this bike quad fits me perfect. It is bigger than the v4s and wider according to Tim. I have never seen the v4s in person, just the few vids that are on here and u-tube. I know the rear end is narrow as all of them seem to be. My spacers should be here any day to fix that problem.

Why they make them narrow is beyond me, it looks totally ridiculous like that.

To me it seems almost as big as the Honda TRX700 that I was gonna buy.
I am glad now that I didnt buy the Honda yet, as my lack of experience on quads has already shown itself with this 250. 8O
I will get the 700 one day.

The exhaust (again according to Tim) is a perfomance muffler, and I think it is louder than the sunl vid in the link posted by mmprestine.

The manual that came with the quad say Kandi on the front, so I think most of the links mmprestine posted are the same quad. Maybe some slightly different plastic or decals. Mine is much louder than the one in the vid
for http://menintools.com/sunlatv250.html I see no cat or baffle like the one I cut out of my 250 Enduro. I think the carb is the same Jap carb that was on the Enduro as well.

Surprise Surprise here are some more pics..............Carb and airbox

Top of carb..........

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If you were sitting on the Quad this is the right side of carb

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Bottom of carb.....

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Airbox routing looking from rear of Quad...........

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Looking down from front towards rear..........

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Actual intake opening under rear of seat.......

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Hope this helps you daboostcreep...................

[daboostcreep]

Thanks so much for the pictures.

One thing I noticed is the # stamped on the carb "PZ27." So I assume that denotes a 27mm carb. My 200 enduro is a PZ30. I'm thinking swap the carb to a PZ30 with a larger jet, replace the stock airbox corrugated hose with smooth PCV or aluminized exhaust pipe with a good air filter clamped on. There is a video of a guy online that ported the head on his jetmoto quad, but I'm thinking its more work than its worth. If I start pulling heads soon enough i'll have the piston out and the jug bored to be over 300cc's.

Looks like a great setup for the price. I think for $1300 shipped I'm going to pull the trigger soon.

BTW...I'm really itching to see some videos of that bike. Get motivated..haha.

[kczukiman]

It does hae a different intake then the v4s.The v4s has he cone style air filter.
Universl,may I put in my request for close up pics of the motor? :)

[Universal_Diver]

It does hae a different intake then the v4s.The v4s has he cone style air filter.
Universl,may I put in my request for close up pics of the motor? :)

Soon as I get home from work I will. :wink:

[Universal_Diver]

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[TheRealWorld]

Great pictures, I have never thought I would be interested in ATV like yours, but at that price and after seeing yours, I would like one. I will probably still have to stick with a utility as I have to be able to haul things and pull trailers.

[culcune]

Universal, nice bike!! Nice to see it all up and running. 8)

Real World--you know you want the sport version!! :wink:

[Universal_Diver]

I will probably still have to stick with a utility as I have to be able to haul things and pull trailers.

There is a towing plate on there. here is a pic from vbike website.

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-02-25/1235621482_200812291906038706511.jpg

[TheRealWorld]

Hey, thanks for the info, I will seriously consider it. I will be waiting for some more of your opinions on it. By the way you have a nice garage and place to work!

[Universal_Diver]

I just got a huge lot of Moto decals off of Ebay, so I may start stickin pretty soon.
It looks so much better with the factory decals off. I wish I could do something with the seat, and the dumb looking " Rapidity " on there. I may just take it to work and beg one of the costuming girls to recover it all black for me.

I do have to say a special thanks to this board and those on here for always finding me new ways to blow my dough. :lol:

Seriously, thanks for all the comments and advice. It is always welcome and appreciated. :wink:

[kczukiman]

Whats up with the shorts and T-shirt? Dang man its the middle of wimter. :lol: That bike does look bigger then the v4s.It will do you well.
One thng thow,befor you make your first riding video for the world to see,don't forget to turn on the gas. :oops:

[TheRealWorld]

Man, I sure wish I had some costuming girls, at work!

[Universal_Diver]

Whats up with the shorts and T-shirt? Dang man its the middle of wimter. :lol:

My AC has been on all month. :evil:

Florida really is the toilet of the south. Everything circles and flushes.
Always hot and damp.

Do those engine pics help at all? I tried to get pics of the extra mounts and brackets that are obviously for other equipment that uses this motor.

[kczukiman]

[quote="Universal_Diver
Do those engine pics help at all? I tried to get pics of the extra mounts and brackets that are obviously for other equipment that uses this motor.[/quote]

Yes,Thanks for the pics,I've not seen a 250 water cooled close up.I wounder if thereis any power difference between water cooled and air cooled?

[katoranger]

It looks like it could be used in most of the dual sports too. It almost appears that they just slapped a jacketed head and cylinder on top of the same old bottom end.

Allen

[Cal25]

Did you try the acetone trick on the seat?

I spent a week in Orlando back in October. Weather seemed about perfect to me then. One thing I noticed was there were no bugs or skeeters. Was told it was ther off season for bugs. There is no off season for bugs in Texas.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Great pictures, I have never thought I would be interested in ATV like yours, but at that price and after seeing yours, I would like one. I will probably still have to stick with a utility as I have to be able to haul things and pull trailers.

Same here- I had been looking only at utes...but Universal's pics and description really swayed me to go with the v4sw- I just ordered one.

Except for the absence of a front rack, it seems more utilitarian than the v4d (sport/ute), as it has the hitch plate, and seems to be a little beefier in the suspension...and has 4" more ground clearance!!!

If I can just improvise a way to put a front rack on 'er, I think this'll be the perfect utility for me! (I ordered the green one...hope it's still green when it gets here...)

If the frame don't crack and the bushings don't disintegrate prematurely(like in a month) I think this may just be a decent ATV. I was looking around at used Jap brands for a while...but all I could find at this kind of price were old money-pits.

These Vbikes seem to have a pretty good reputation (about the best among the Chinx imports)....and after seeing Universal's pics...I just had to have one!!

(Universal, if this thing turns out to be a pig, I'm gonna find you, and plaster Teletubbies stickers all over your bike! :twisted: :P )

[Vbike should be paying Universal!]

[Universal_Diver]

Did you try the acetone trick on the seat?

I spent a week in Orlando back in October. Weather seemed about perfect to me then. One thing I noticed was there were no bugs or skeeters. Was told it was ther off season for bugs. There is no off season for bugs in Texas.

I tried the acetone on the underside, and it took all the color out of the "Pleather". :roll: Rapidity is stamped on the silver portion. I have no clue what type of material the seat cover is made of.

A little can of off will pretty much keep the skeeters away around here. Its the stupid love bugs that are a nightmare for their short season. :evil:

KentuckyDonkey I hope you enjoy it. Just keep in mind it is a 1200 dollar quad, not a 3-6 thousand dollar one. I dont like the Teletubbies. I am a Barney guy. :wink:

Here are some pics of the spacers for the rear from kczukiman's Ebay link a couple posts up.

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-02-26/1235707814_dsc02171.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-02-26/1235707841_dsc02173.jpg

From the front of the rim

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-02-26/1235707851_dsc02174.jpg

From the backside of the rim

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-02-26/1235707884_dsc02175.jpg

Before the spacers

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-02-26/1235707794_dsc02169.jpg

After the spacers

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-02-26/1235707902_dsc02176.jpg

Thanks kczukiman they worked perfect..... :wink:

[KentuckyDonkey]

KentuckyDonkey I hope you enjoy it. Just keep in mind it is a 1200 dollar quad, not a 3-6 thousand dollar one.

Eggs-actly!

If I were paying four grand for a bike, I'd expect it to be absolutely perfect and to come fully assembled, and to perform flawlessly, etc.

For $1275....if I have to be meticulous putting it together so that it lasts(hopefully) and if I have to replace a few little parts...and not ride it like it's indestructable....that's understandable and expected.

As long as it's not total junk, I'll be happy (and from all the positive comments I've seen on these vbikes, I doubt it's junk! Seriously, I don't think I've one legit negative comment on them.) [By "legit" I mean I discount anyone who complains because it isn't comparable to a $6K Honda]

[tehspec64]

Like the ride universal I got mine up and running today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWNDwOW16Cw&feature=channel_page

[Universal_Diver]

Like the ride universal I got mine up and running today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWNDwOW16Cw&feature=channel_page

Thats great. Are you gonna get the spacers for the rear? I like it so much better with the spacers on. I can really feel a difference in the stability.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Uni, do you have a website URL or phone number for the place you got them spacers from? I'd like to get some myself (My v4sw isn't even here yet, and already I'm thinking "upgrades"!)- I ask because I'm a former professional Ebay seller who is now boycotting Ebay due to their recent policy changes which encourage fraud against sellers and leave us with virtually no recourse or protection. (Ebay has lost about 50% of it's former top powersellers over the past year due to their wildly unpopular changes and fee hikes)

Plus, I refuse to use PayPal....and Ebay now has most remaining sellers bullied into accepting only that form of payment.

Thanks for any info- I'd appreciate it. (And I'm sure the seller would, too- as most remaining Ebay sellers are only too thrilled to avoid the complications that dealing through Ebay now entails)

(To anyone who may be interested, Google "Ebay Boycott" for more info)

EDIT: Never mind- I found the info.

[daboostcreep]

I hear you on the Ebay deal. I'm a Powerseller and have been getting hammered with fees. My sales #s are great, but when I sell $100 items and suck up $13 each in selling fees, and about $5 a piece in PayPal fees it hurts. Problem is Ebay really has a corner on the market and without Ebay I wouldn't have the play money I do at the present time.

So...I'm going to buy my V4SW soon. I want to order from the same place as Universal Diver got his (www.vbike.us) so is there a specific person to talk to? I tried playing with their website to place my order, but I kept getting the response "You choose different colour! Haha, and yes it really said that.

So I take it the wheel spacers are really only for the rear, or do people commonly use them front and rear? Also, performance upgrades!! Does anyone have first hand experience with parts to make these things go faster, take a little more air, and brake better?? The V4S has front disk brakes, and the V4SW has drum, which is kind of strange to me. I wonder how difficult swapping to the V4S front braking system would be. Talk to me about this...get me excited enough to pull my card from my wallet and make the call!

[TheRealWorld]

Tim is the guy to talk to at Vbike. I hesitate to mention this but I believe adding the spacers puts excess leverage and stress on the axles. It is OK until you hit that big bump at high speed.

[KentuckyDonkey]

I have to concurr with TheRealWorld- I was thinking to myself that extending the wheels out would naturally put more stress on the axle, and may even affect the rims, since they are then only beiong supported around the bolts....and in doing a little digging last night on this and another forum, I did see some people mentioning this very thing- so I think I'll hold off on the spacers myself and let Universal continue to be the guinea pig! (The posts mentioned the probability of this- no one was actually complaining of a problem yet, though)

Ordering at Vbike over the phone (through Tim) takes only seconds- and he will even give you a discount on top of the already low price!! Mind you, I haven't received my v4sw yet, but Vbike is the only brand of MIC I'd consider purchasing. I love how the vbike website lists all the details about each model- including diomensions and tire sizes- whereas a lot of the other MIC-brand sites don't)

I have a feeling that my only regret is going to be that I didn't purchase the "300 Thunder" model. (I was leary of spending more $ on a brand I've never seen in person- but from all I've read about this brand all over the net, I think it would have been a safe bet! (If the v4sw turns out to be all I believe it will be, I may just see if I can sell it for close to what I paid for it, and order me that 300 Thunder!!)

One thing about the v4sw that I may not like, are the tires. I would prefer nobbier times. It seems that in the pics on the Vbike website, some of the model v4sw's are pictured with better tires- so maybe I'll get lucky and mine will show up with the better tires??? (Looks like Universal got the tires I'm dreading- but I guess for this price, they do have to skimp somewhere.....)

Anywho, my bike should arrive tuesday- and I'll be taking pics and making vids!!

[daboostcreep]

I have to concurr with TheRealWorld- I was thinking to myself that extending the wheels out would naturally put more stress on the axle, and may even affect the rims, since they are then only beiong supported around the bolts....and in doing a little digging last night on this and another forum, I did see some people mentioning this very thing- so I think I'll hold off on the spacers myself and let Universal continue to be the guinea pig! (The posts mentioned the probability of this- no one was actually complaining of a problem yet, though)

The spacers that we're talking about put tons of leverage against the studs, and the small contact area behind the face of the wheel. The best setup would be a machined adapter style spacer, which utilizes the entire face of the hub and the wheel for support.

Ordering at Vbike over the phone (through Tim) takes only seconds- and he will even give you a discount on top of the already low price!!

I plan to call and talk to Tim tomorrow. It looks like I'll be buying 2 of these quads, so maybe he will cut the price even further.

I have a feeling that my only regret is going to be that I didn't purchase the "300 Thunder" model. (I was leary of spending more $ on a brand I've never seen in person- but from all I've read about this brand all over the net, I think it would have been a safe bet! (If the v4sw turns out to be all I believe it will be, I may just see if I can sell it for close to what I paid for it, and order me that 300 Thunder!!)

I looked up the specs for the 300 Thunder and found while it has some nice things like front disk brakes, and 50cc more displacement, it also lugs around an extra 90lbs of dead weight. I'm no expert, but it seems the extra 90lbs may tip the power to weight ratio in the favor of the V4SW.

One thing about the v4sw that I may not like, are the tires. I would prefer nobbier times.

Agreed, thats one of the first things I think I will find myself changing.

[KentuckyDonkey]

I looked up the specs for the 300 Thunder and found while it has some nice things like front disk brakes, and 50cc more displacement, it also lugs around an extra 90lbs of dead weight. I'm no expert, but it seems the extra 90lbs may tip the power to weight ratio in the favor of the V4SW.
.

I agree. In fact, the HP to weight ratio of the v4sw is one of the things that attracted me to it. I see many people these days with these huge displacement ridiculously heavy ATVs...it's getting to the point where they may as well just get a Jeep or a Hummer....

I wanted a lighter bike- as it should be fairly easy to load into my van if I want to take it somewhere...and if it gets stuck, I can just drag it out...and it's supposed to be quite fast and nimble.

I'm thinking though, that the extra 90 lbs. in the 300 might mean a heavier-duty frame and suspension, and it's (I believe) the widest bike they sell, at 47". I couldn't see where else that extra weight would come from.

Time will tell though. I may also just change out the tires. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see which tires we get- notice that some of the v4sw's are pictured with better tires:

http://www.vbike.us/multidata/200901231739551831835.jpg
(((Edit: Click to see image- deleted pic as it was stretching the board, and I don't know if UBB allows sizing in the tags like HTML does. -Ky.D)))

Maybe if you order the blue, you get the somewhat better tires? (Wish I would've noticed this before ordering the green!)

[KentuckyDonkey]

Whoa!! You really want to appreciate Vbike? Check this out:

http://www.menintools.com/sunlatv250.html

This other place is offering what, upon first glance appears to be the same bike as the v4sw, for $1000.00 more than Vbike!! :o

But wait! There's less! Upon closer inspection, the more expensive bike actually is not as good as the v4sw! While it is also a 250cc, it puts out less horsepower; it has 8" rims instead of 10".....stated top speed is lower....

Man- just because some of these MICs look the same and use some of the same components.....doesn't mean they're the same! I can't get over it- $1K more for a lesser quality bike!!

[daboostcreep]

Ok...I ordered my 2 quads today. I really wanted red....to go with my truck, trailer, and my dirtbikes, but Tim was out. So I got Yamaha blue. My sister got orange. Tim said the quads will be shipping today and will arrive to me in CA on Friday. You better believe I will be assembling them first thing Saturday morning.

As a side note: If anyone has red, and wants to trade, I will cover the cost of shipping to and from, as well as throw in $40 bucks cash. I'm referring to trading plastics... and foot netting.

I need some info on oil type and quantity also. I assume they use 10w40 oil that supports wet clutches. Please drop me the info so I can have the supplies ready. Also...did you drain the oil out that was in there, and was it fish oil?

[KentuckyDonkey]

Hey, Congrats, Creep!!

I'm going to use Rotella-T 15W40 in mine- it's compatible with the wet clutch; no junk in it; and I use it in other things, so I don't have to go and keep 100 different oils on hand. (And it's available at Wal*Mart)

Dunno about the fish oil, but it only takes just under a quart of oil I believe, so it couldn't hurt to change it before cranking it up, and then again after the initial half-hour of running(very important).

2 of 'em, eh? Cool! Too bad they didn't have your red. Hey, I'd trade you my green for your blue!

[Universal_Diver]

So far no issues with the spacers. They look a little goofy on, but personally not as goofy as the narrow rear end did. I may get the machine shop to do me some billet spacers though if it looks like I will need it. Did I mention I cant stand the narrow rear end? :lol:

KentuckyDonkey I was a little shocked too when I saw the price on the linked site for menintools.

The MIC market is a joke as far as pricing goes. NOTHING is standard.

I would be willing to bet the dealer price on this bike is around the 600 dollar range. I have set up several buyers accounts just to see the pricing so I know I would not get had. I think Vbike is a fair mix when you figure in support and free shipping. I have posted price lists in the past, wont do it again because I no longer have them, but they make you wonder just how much profit people need to make. I ve seen the 50 cc scooters around 299 and the 150cc for 599. 8O

[kczukiman]

Wow if only vbike was a public company and I would have purchased stock a couple of years back.Congrats to all the new vbike owners.

I wouldn't worry about the wheel spacers they did fine for me as well as several others.The assumption was always suggested by posters that they would fail at the point of contact but there has never been a post on the ATV site of any problems.I will try to find the link that convinced me to use them that had several testimonials from people that have used them with no issues.
I was sceptical too.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Uni, I certainly share your disdain for them narrow rears!

Funny- just off the top of my head, I was thinking that these things must wholesale for around $600- after you figure they probably have to allow an average of $400 for shipping...doesn't really leave them with too much after overhead and taxes, etc. Amazing! (I think a lot of what people pay for the Japs is because of the dealer set up; dealer profit and manufacturer/co-op advertising, and of course better fit and finish, and slightly more ample measurements- but I think these Chinx will suit me just fine, and am thankful that they exist, otherwise I wouldn't be taking up wheeling at the age of 46!). Shoot- what kinda profit can they be making? $50-$100 a unit?

K-man: Ya know...I'm actually not too worried about the rim failure- as it would likely show signs of distortion in time to catch it- but I was just worried about the axles bending. You're swaying me back to trying the spacers! (Extra stability is not a bad thing!)

[daboostcreep]

anyone know what the wheel bolt pattern is?

[Universal_Diver]

anyone know what the wheel bolt pattern is?

Tim at Vbike would be your best source for a quick answer.

Here is my quad after the moto decals from Ebay.

IMHO it looks so much better. I know its poser, but I really could care less. :roll: I like it.

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-03/1236117447_dsc02183.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-03/1236117459_dsc02184.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-03/1236117470_dsc02185.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-03/1236117479_dsc02186.jpg

[kczukiman]

Wow look at all those sponsers,whens your first race? :)
Looks good !
Here is one of the sites I used to research the wheel spacers.
http://www.crjperformance.com/index.html

[KentuckyDonkey]

Got my v4sw today! (Right on time)

The green turned out to be WAY nicer than how it looks on the website (Love it!) and the tires have a decent tread(for some reason, they just don't show it in photographs).

Got it half together so far......

I think I'm gonna be a very happy camper with this cicle!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Richiemagoo/SANY0356.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Richiemagoo/SANY0362.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Richiemagoo/SANY0364.jpg

[TheRealWorld]

Congratulations, I am having as much fun watching you guys get one as it would be getting one of my own. I won't bother to tell you to keep us posted, because I know you will. That is a great color!

[TheRealWorld]

What does that chrome engine plate say on the side of the engine.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Congratulations, I am having as much fun watching you guys get one as it would be getting one of my own. I won't bother to tell you to keep us posted, because I know you will. That is a great color!


Thanks! Hehe...it is indeed almost as much fun reading and seeing the chronicles of other's getting one of these things, as it is getting your own!

In the time that I've been researching this and looking at these forums, etc. I've been so "into it" that I don't recall being so enthusiastic about anything in a long time!

...and then waiting for the day that it would finally be delivered and all- sheesh! I feel like a kid! I hope I'll have as much fun riding the thing I have had anticipating it! (I'm sure I will [clears throat] but then again...I really bought this for transportation around my place...and for checking on the cows...and checking the fences and rounding up the cows...and playi....err..uh...checking on the woods.....

What does that chrome engine plate say on the side of the engine.

I'll let ya know tomorrow. (Wish I woulda thought to look on my own!)

I'll start a new thread about mine. (After all...mine's green!)

C'mon, RealWorld, ya gotsta join the club!

[Universal_Diver]

Got my v4sw today! (Right on time)

Congrats..... :D

I hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine. I still kinda chuckle when I think how much they want for a 250 jap quad, and realize what I paid.


Lastnight I found a set of Ramps at my local NorthernTool that were on sale for 50 bucks.. They fold and work perfect for me. With the quad in the truck the ramps slide under it and the tailgate closes.

Ramps (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200328528_200328528url)

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-04/1236170721_dsc02190.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-04/1236170743_dsc02191.jpg

Couple inches to spare.

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-04/1236170767_dsc02192.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-04/1236170791_dsc02194.jpg

Ramps under quad.

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-04/1236170834_dsc02196.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-04/1236170855_dsc02198.jpg

[culcune]

Here is my quad after the moto decals from Ebay.



'Rapidity' wasn't enough for you? :lol:

[culcune]

...or would you rather be 'skinnie' than 'rapidity'? :?

-----couldn't resist :D

[Universal_Diver]

...or would you rather be 'skinnie' than 'rapidity'? :?

-----couldn't resist :D

I wondered how long it would take..... :lol:

Ive already took a beatdown from a couple friends, now two of them are almost ready to plunk down the cash for this quad.

Maybe I should have kept my piehole shut till I got all I needed. Kinda like what happened to the Hibird if I remember right. :lol:

I will get the seat recovered when the sticker wears down. ha ha ha

[culcune]

Yeah, you let the cat out of the bag for the Hi-Bird--they sold out pretty soon after, and never got any more in for the rest of us! Thanks, alot :(

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The 'rapidity' label on the seat is almost as iconic as the now legendary 'cool boy' stickers on the Lifan GY-5. 8)

[KentuckyDonkey]

Got mine together! Just gonna give it a final going-over tomorrow, and then she should be ready to fire up!!!

I am REALLY impressed with the quality of this thing for the price! I spotted a few plastic components which might go bye-bye after a few uses....but for the pice, I can live that and find more suitable replacements when necessary.

The upper and lower A-frame ball-studs do not have any grease fittings (as Uni. mentioned earlier). The upper one can be screwed out for replacement (looks like they made it like that so that the camber can be adjusted- nice touch on a cheapo!)- but when the lower one bites the dust...we're screwed.

Looks like they supplied lock washers (!!! :o !!!) to go between the castleated nuts and the hub assembly spindle arms. I replaced them with some flat aluminum washers (for the tie-rod connections too)- I do believe lock washers would cause premature wear on those aluminum "spindle arms".

I have no rear brakes at the moment- probably just needs to be bled.

All in all, I am very happy so far!

RealWorld: The shiny plate on the motor says.....nothing! (Wonder why my motor has the greenish color and Uni's doesn't? From pics on the web, some also seem to have a gold color....)

Hey Uni, could you please post a close-up of your foot-peg hardware situation? Not sure if I did mine right- and I had to improvise, as I seem to be missing two bolts that should be for there......

Assem,bly was easy and straight-forward. I hate having a pile of nuts and bolts and no instruction- because it seems like guessing which fasteners go where can be time-consuming and result in do-overs. But I have to say...this was one project that was easy to figure out...and (so far) no do-overs were required.

Re: Wheel spacers: Something just occured to me as I was assembling this baby- there is no differential! The rear axle is truly solid. Since the rear wheels can not thus turn at different rates of speed when cornering, the wider one makes that rear axle, the more one of the wheels is going to have to skid in turns. I wouldn't think an additional 3" would make a huge difference (especially since these are mainly used on non-paved surfaces)...but it is something to consider- and probably explains why the rears on these things are narrower than the fronts.

Again, I am VERY happy with the quality of the Vbike v4sw for $1275, delivered! In fact, I am AMAZED! How can they do it for this price?! And I am very happy overall with my experience dealing with Tim at Vbike.

Tomorrow: The test-ride!(hopefully)

[I hope Tim doesn't get more of those dual sports in for a while...I'd be too tempted to get one!]

[TheRealWorld]

Hey, glad things are going well. Thanks for the info off of the little chrome cover. It would be fun to be an expert on just what the history is on these machines.

Have you read the thread on break in. I believe it is worth reading and doing. I think it is listed under duel purpose. Did you change the oil, no one is sure of the quality of that stuff that came in there. What did Tim say about the dual purpose bikes? I have been trying to get an update on them, but they must be hard for him to get. I don't think they will be HiBirds.

Do we know is this a clone of a Honda, Yamaha or a Suzuki?

[Universal_Diver]

Again, I am VERY happy with the quality of the Vbike v4sw for $1275, delivered! In fact, I am AMAZED! How can they do it for this price?!

He probably paid 600 maybe 700 dealer cost. I would imagine he gets a whole container. I want to say the guy from the trucking Co. told me the shipping was around 200-250 so he made money, which I am happy to pay because he has always been honest and straight with me.

I have never complained about his pricing, nor have I really tried to beat him up when I call to order. I know he is making enough to run his business and I am not having to pay the HUGE :roll: profit that some of the blowholes want for the same stuff. I could fill two pages on what I think about the so called dealers around me, but I would wind up so tight I would never get to sleep. :wink:

As for the foot pegs........................

I just used some shoulder bolts I had around added a tone of washers to everything especially the plastic stuff and a ton of Vibra tite and red loctite.

http://pics.montypics.com/universal_diver/2009-03-05/1236314541_dsc02201.jpg


Edited to add that my rear and front brakes will lock up the wheels no problem. Didnt have to bleed or add fluids to anything.

Enjoy your toy KentuckyDonkey

[KentuckyDonkey]

Thanks, Uni!

Heh...I'm a cheapskate...but this is one price I can not complain about! I hope Tim is indeed making a decent profit too, so he'll be around for a good long time! (Gonna get that dual sport one day!)

Got mine running today, and took a quick ride across the pasture. Wow...it rides beautiful! Better than the used Jap quads I had looked at!!

Sunday, I just have to adjust the idle, and get the rear brakes workiong and recheck everything and change the original "oil"....

Say, has anyone figured out the fuel shut-off? I'm assuming that straight up is off; horizontal is on and down is reserve?

I'm still amazed- this bike is awesome!! Only negative point for me: These fenders are useless. One quick ride...and when I came back, I had cow poop on my pants! Guess I'm paying a high price because I didn't like the looks of the utilities!

(Hopefully) Sunday, I'll get a chance to take some pics and maybe do a video review.

[Universal_Diver]

:? I dont really understand this, but I guess i have a fuel cap issue.

Rode several times around the block tonight, and it bogged really bad when I gave it fast wide open throttle. Pulled into the driveway and it would stall. It would only start with almost full choke. I got it to steady idle with full choke, and opened the gas cap and heard the preasure vent and then it would rev fine at a fast jab of the throttle with no bog and ran great. Should this tank be vented? If the cap is supposed to vent, it doesnt.

[TheRealWorld]

Definitely needs a vent of some kind, Most have a vent, I will do some research when I get time.

[katoranger]

Your vent is clogged or not working on the cap.

What does it look like? Sometimes you can take them apart.

Allen

[daboostcreep]

Well here is the rundown on the assembly of the 2 quads I bought. One for myself, and one for my sister.

The Orange V4SW had white springs, and has a greenish motor.
The Blue V4SW had yellow springs, and has a gold motor.

So, I swapped the white springs onto the blue quad. The gold motor wasn't what I really wanted, but honestly with the rear axle and the spring perches being gold also the color scheme works.

The problems I encountered:
1. They came with gas, oil, and coolant. All of which had most likely been in the quad since the date of manufacture (tag said 12/07).....The gas was very yellow, the oil was possibly fish oil, and the coolant was brownish with white chunks floating in it. Needless to say I drained and replaced all the fluids.

2. The clutch on the blue quad wasn't working right, so after some inspection I realized there was tons (I mean tons of slack) in the cable, and that the cable on the other quad that worked perfect was nearly 4" shorter. So I need to call Tim on Monday to get a replacement clutch cable sent out.

3. One of the small coolant hoses was dripping and sliced right below the nipple, so I cut it right below that and it had enough slack to fit again. Took less than a minute.

4. One of the fuel lines was melted, or something weird right where it feeds the carb and was seeping fuel...same thing, cut that little bit off and it was good.

5. There are no directions of any kind, was missing a wheel lug/nut and had one that came with destroyed threads inside of it, and a missing foot rest bolt.

Now don't think its all negative, cause its not. The quads are very nice quality, started on the first blip of the starter button, and everything mechanically aside from the one clutch cable works perfect. The fit and finish is not perfect, but good and manageable. The appearance of the quads is very good, and overall its very simple to work on. I rode the one that is operable up and down the street a few times under load, nearly bogging it to seat the rings in 4th gear. When it gets out of the 4th gear bog rev range it really cruises at a good speed at nice low revs.

I also did purchase a set of the stud style wheel spacers everyone else seems to be running, and will put them on tomorrow. Im going to give them a shot, and see what gets destroyed. Oh and the rear sure is narrow compared to the front, hopefully the spacers solve that issue.

I promise I will take lots of pictures tomorrow to show everything I possibly can, and hopefully I'll get some video as well. If you've got a special pic request drop it on here before tomorrow AM when I go to my parents house to finish up some loose ends.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Well...Tim's gonna have to send me out a new master cylinder. I bled the crap out of the rear brakes and still nothing (Even disconnected the pedal, so that I could get full travel on the pushrod...).

That seems to be my only issue though- not bad. Have to fine tune the carb a bit too- as it pops some- but it has plenty of power! Went for an exhilerating ride today...it was GREAT! I love this bike! Very comfortable, too (I'm 6'/215 lbs.).

If I can rig my camera up, I'll make a vid tomorrow!

Still haven't figgered[sic] out the fuel shut-off. Anybody? "Up" must be on- as I left it in that position all day and never ran out of fuel. So is horizontal "off" and down "reserve? Or vice-versa? (C'mon, don't make me pull a line off to find out!!)

Oh, and I changed the oil (the oil that was in it when it arrived) as many have said that they're shipped with crap oil. Turns out, the oil that came out of it looked to be of decent quality, and was still clean- no metal in it or anything- but better to be safe than sorry- got Rotella 15W40 in 'er now!

[TheRealWorld]

I have been through that bleeding problem my self several times. I am guessing that you have a little bubble in the line at a high spot in the line. My way of solving it is one of two ways. Have two people help with one opening and closing the bleeder, while one works the lever carefully in sync with the open and closed bleeder port. The third person must keep the resivor full (no exceptions)

If you have access to a vacuum pump and an isolation chamber you can do it that way. I would be reasonably sure it is an air bubble. Good luck!

[KentuckyDonkey]

Thanks, Realworld. I doubt it's a bubble though- as the fluid comes out now with no air- and with all the fluid that's been through there....there's no way a bubble could still be in the line. I'd say if after this much bleeding, it still isn't doing a thing at the caliper.....it needs a master. (At least bleeding these things are a lot easier than bleeding cars- especially solo!)

[TheRealWorld]

I ordered my own, but it is a 300 utility. This exact machine is not listed on the Vbike site yet, but will be soon. I will tell you about it when I get it. It is a shaft drive and two wheel drive. I may be wrong but I think it will do 90 percent as much as a 4X4. I am putting this on a new thread, because it is so much different than your machines. But I wanted you to know I finally got one.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Congrats, Realworld! You're gonna love it!

For anyone who needs to know- here is the skinny on the fuel shut-off:

Lever down (arrow pointing down)= On.

Lever horizontal= Off.

Lever up (arrow pointing up)= Reserve.

[Universal_Diver]

Congrats, Realworld! You're gonna love it!

For anyone who needs to know- here is the skinny on the fuel shut-off:

Lever down (arrow pointing down)= On.

Lever horizontal= Off.

Lever up (arrow pointing up)= Reserve.

Thanks. I was too lazy to pull the line. My plugged cap had me thinking I was going crazy with the fuel valve. :oops:


UPS was good to me today........Hand guards and a helmet cam

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[KentuckyDonkey]

Any a' youse guys clock one of these v4sw's WOT in 4th gear with a GPS yet?

They zip along pretty good. Vbike site says they go 60MPH. I doubt that...but I'd be curious to know the actual speed.

Uni, if you put any more paper on that thing, it's gonna qualify to be a book mobile! :)

[Danthalis]

Have my v4sw coming in tomorrow, very excited. Been reading about these things for a month now and have yet to come across anyone giving them a bad review.
I had a couple of noob questions for you all, hopefully you can help. This is my first ATV ever.

Loctite
I got some 'red' loctite and wanted to know if I need to loctite every single nut and bolt I can find on the whole bike or just the bolts I will be installing?

Breakin:
Assuming I get the thing built lol can someone give me a link or tell me what's the best breakin method for the new engine. I intended to use Quaker state 10W40 for the oil, is that okay or do I need to get a motor oil specifically for 'wet clutch'?


Thanks for this post, I have read it religously today~ :D

[Universal_Diver]

Have my v4sw coming in tomorrow, very excited. Been reading about these things for a month now and have yet to come across anyone giving them a bad review.
I had a couple of noob questions for you all, hopefully you can help. This is my first ATV ever.

Loctite
I got some 'red' loctite and wanted to know if I need to loctite every single nut and bolt I can find on the whole bike or just the bolts I will be installing?

Breakin:
Assuming I get the thing built lol can someone give me a link or tell me what's the best breakin method for the new engine. I intended to use Quaker state 10W40 for the oil, is that okay or do I need to get a motor oil specifically for 'wet clutch'?


Thanks for this post, I have read it religously today~ :D

Honestly call Tim. He is your best source for first hand info.

I change my oil after the first half hour of run time. Was still very clean and smelled brand new. I personally use Mobil1 10/40 syn from the first oil change. No need to debate it, thats what I have done with all my stuff and thats what I will continue to do. I also personally break everything in exactly like I plan on driving it. Its not a Ferrari, its a Chinese quad. For me, this method has never failed. I also try to use Vibra tite instead of Loctite but thats just me. Vibra tite is never hard to get off, but it wont vibrate loose. I usually replace hardware with American stuff if and when it comes loose.

I think there is a good break in procedure on the dual sport page that is a sticky.

Good luck enjoy.

[katoranger]

Congrats on the purchase.

At a minimum make sure all the bolts are tight. Use loc-tite or vibra-tite on the ones you install for sure.

I like to use shell rotella 15w40 diesel oil. It is cheap and available at walmart. The key to the oil is to make sure it is NOT energy conserving. It will have a star shape emblem on the bottle that says "energy conserving" on it if it is.

As for breakin. Ride it like you intend to ride it. Let is warm up first then maybe easy for the first 15 minutes than start riding it. That is my suggestion. Change oil often for the few few hours.

I started mine, warmed it and then road it pretty hard 10K rpm) right out of the box. 14K kilometers now and it runs great.

Allen

[KentuckyDonkey]

Danthalis,

I bought two tubes of red Loctite for putting together my v4sw...but hardly even used any out of one tube. Virtually all the nuts were self-snugging shoulder nuts- they don't seem like they will come loose; and the nuts on the front suspension parts are castelated with cotter pins.

I think the Chinese (or at least Vbike) figured out that the reason Chinese motorcycles had such a bad reputation was because of things falling apart...and they've corrected the problem.

After a few hours of high-speed riding...nothing has loosened up on mine. I was leary of loctite-ing everything...because I was afraid that if/when things need to be replaced/adjusted, the loctited nuts may be hard to remove- especially after some time/rust/gunk.

My philosophy is now: Keep check on the nuts for a while. If any loosen...I'll Loctite the ones which do.

As for oil- DO NOT use regular automotive oil- as they contain things that aren't compoatible with the clutch. There's a certain rating you need to look for- I forget exactly what the letters are...but one thing that I know for sure is O-K, is Shell Rotella 15W40. (I use that in anything I can- it doesn't have any crap in it- and is a good heavey-duty oil)

I think you're gonna love this bike!! (and be surprised at how fast it goes!)

Edit: Ditto what Allen says about break-in. I used to rebuild car engines. I am not a believer in the "very gentle" break-in. The key is always letting the engine warm up first; and take it easy for the first few minutes the first time you ride it. But I think it very important to ride at all different speeds during the break-in period, and even to ride it wide open in 4th gear (Which, unless you have a huge place to ride, is hard to do! -you'll run out of room real fast!) and even lug the engine slightly for very short periods to seat the rings.

I do believe that the rings seal much better with this kind of break-in, and ultimately, the engine performs better throughout it's life and lasts longer than one that is broken in very gently. If your rings don't get a good seal during the first few hours of riding...they never will; and oftentimes, with a very gentle break-in, they never do get that good seal.

[Cal25]

Just watch out about using Rotella in vehicles with O2 sensors.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Just watch out about using Rotella in vehicles with O2 sensors.

I've heard that ZDDP has been greatly reduced/phased out of Rotella over the last few years. Even before it was...many of us were using it in oxygen sensor/catalytic vehicles without problems- including in my van which has 270,000 miles on it, and has not needed an O2 sensor in the 7 years I've had it. (Quite frankly, I was ignorant of the ZDDP issue in the past :) )

[Cal25]

I think it was especially good for the bearings. Sounds like a good all around oil.

[Danthalis]

Well thanks for the input, got it all put together and did the first two oil changes, taking it out tomorrow. Fired up right away, haven't had to do any adjustments to the carb. Purrs like a kitten :D Front shocks seem a little hard, other than that I am blown away.

Neighbor saw me putting it together, came over talking about how he's a big Kawasaki fan (I got the green one) heh apparently he's not THAT big of a fan to mistake the two :lol:

Thanks again for the input and the thread, and I'll agree with everyone else in saying this is a flat out amazing machine considering what I paid it's almost too good to be true!

EDIT:Put the atv through the works today, everything but jumped it. Very fast, wow. Only lost one screw (to the clutch handle none the less) so going to give it a good once over tomorrow. Also needs a vented gas cap. Kept stalling out on me, had to open the tank and give it about 30 seconds and it fired right back up. Finally got smart and started randomly venting as I rode. Other than that no problems at all. 8)

[KentuckyDonkey]

Leave it to me to get the defective things!

First the rear brakes...now the carb!

Now that the motor's fairly well broken in, I went to adjust the carb- as I was having a little idle issue (Had to turn the idle speed up when I first got it, to keep it from stalling when cold....but then it idles too fast when warm)- so I go to turn the mixture screw all the way in..and guess what? It already was all the way in!

So I tried turning it out...but after just about 1/2 a turn, turning it out makes gas pee-pee from the overflow hose!! (and turning the screw has absolutely no effect on the speed of the motor).

Guess I have to call Tim tomorrow while I'm waiting for those brake parts.... (It also has a slight miss and often does light backfires through the exhaust- spark plug looks good though...)

[TeamCheap]

Are you sure thats the mixture screw?

Most carbs have a screw that will allow you to drain the fuel from the carb as you described.

Can you post a few pictures of the carb ? (both sides and underneath)

On our bike the air/fuel mixture screw is on the bottom on the front side of carb (pain to get at) but there are a few different carb setups out there so yours might be different.

[Danthalis]

Had to turn the idle speed up when I first got it, to keep it from stalling when cold....but then it idles too fast when warm

Man sorry about your run of bad luck there KentuckyDonkey I did notice that as the bike warmed up the idle got higher and higher. I had my neighbor come check it out and we got it adjusted just right (it's the screw with the spring on it, if that helps.) Never had any leaks. If you'd like some pictures I can take a couple when I get home.

I also wanted to see if anyone had done any tooling on these shocks. I adjusted the preload nuts to better suit my weight (was told they are usually set to a 165lb rider) and I am wondering if that is the only 'adjustment' the shocks are capable of? I feel every single pebble on this bike and I'm having no luck finding after market shocks. Anyone have any thoughts?

[TheRealWorld]

KentuckyDonkey.

I think the screw you are trying to adjust is the carb drain screw. You should look at a screw up a little higher on the carb, and you should find it is open at least a turn. It should be be about right between 2 and 3 turns. Hope this is helpful, I am so very busy and have to get to work, good luck!

[KentuckyDonkey]

O-K guys.....I believe this is the mixture screw, here at the bottom of the bowl. It looks like the only screw on the carb that fits the bill.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Richiemagoo/SANY0411.jpg

Huh? HUH??!!

It is turned ALL the way in (like that when I got it)

Tim seems to think that the float is bent/stuck- but I don't see how that can be, when the bike runs great and has no drivability issues.

To recap: If this mixture screw is turned out, it has no effect on the motor's speed.

If it is turned out, it will start making gas pour from the overflow/vent tube, even after just 1/4-1/2 turn.

In order to get bike to idle without finger on throttle when cold, had to turn idle speed up; But now it idles too fast when warm.

Pops/backfires lightly through exhaust.

Ideas?

(or is this indeed the wrong screw...and I'm a complete doofus???)

[TheRealWorld]

Yep, that is the wrong screw!

[KentuckyDonkey]

Yep, that is the wrong screw!

You're shi.....errr....kidding me?!

Hmmm....well that is actually GOOD news, because it means my carb can probably be adjusted then, and there is probably nothing wrong with it.

But I don't see any other screws that fit the bill on the carb- any idears where to look?

Thanks!

[SpudRider]

Yep, that is the wrong screw!
You're shi.....errr....kidding me?!

Hmmm....well that is actually GOOD news, because it means my carb can probably be adjusted then, and there is probably nothing wrong with it.

But I don't see any other screws that fit the bill on the carb- any idears where to look?

Thanks!
He's not kidding you; that's the carburetor drain screw. :wink:

…Can you post a few pictures of the carb ? (both sides and underneath)

On our bike the air/fuel mixture screw is on the bottom on the front side of carb (pain to get at) but there are a few different carb setups out there so yours might be different.
If you post the photos TC mentioned, I am sure we can help you find and adjust your pilot mixture screw. :)

Spud :)

[katoranger]

I believe it is the brass colored screw near that green wire to the bottom front of the carb.

Allen

[KentuckyDonkey]

Ohh...I'll bet it's this upside-down gold thingie, eh?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Richiemagoo/SANY0411c.jpg

I didn't even notice that till I took the picture...heh...I'm half blind- or more like 4/5ths....

[KentuckyDonkey]

Well thanks, Allen & everyone! (You beat me to it, Allen!).

Now that I have the right screw...I should be good to go.

Any advice appreciated though!

Lets see, it's been a while- but I think it goes something like this:

Turn mixture all the way in.
Back out two turns.
Adjust idle to proper speed.
Piddle with mixture c.1/2 turn in either direction till I ghet the fastest revs.
Repeat the above 2 steps ad infinitum until it's right.
?????

One question: How do I know if if the needle thingie in the top of the carb needs to be adjusted as opposed to the mixture/idle?

And here i was blaming my poor Vbike, and ready to disassemble the carb and check the float! (Poor little innocent Vbike! Oh, my poor baby!)

Thanks again guys- these forums are great!

[katoranger]

Yes. That one. Usually the needle is set to the center notch. If your bike is starting/idle fine it may not need to be moved. It is is hard to start and seems cold natured move the clip one notch closer to the point. This richens the idle circuit up. Needs less choke.

You plan with the mixture screw sounds good.

Allen

[KentuckyDonkey]

Beauty! Tomorrow, after I fix my tractor (everything's breaking this week!) I should be able to get this baby to idle purrrrfect! (It does start just fine- even on cold days- just idles a little too low when cold...and too fast when hot- but that even seems to be improving as the engine gets broken-in; as i gave it a good riding today- and the hot idle was actually pretty acceptable today!)

Oh...and the real thing i want to correct is the popping/backfiring through the exhaust. If it weren't for that, I probably wouldn't have to mess with it. (I'm thinking that that indicates that it's too rich- but yet my spark plug is the right color. Yet, the choke doesn't seem to have much effect unless it's fully on)

[Universal_Diver]

I have never had one not backfire or cackle a little. Tim said it had a pretty open exhaust "Performance" My dual Sport did the same thing.
Especially after I gutted the mystery bulge in the pipe that some call a baffle and some call a cat.

[KentuckyDonkey]

I have never had one not backfire or cackle a little. Tim said it had a pretty open exhaust "Performance" My dual Sport did the same thing.
Especially after I gutted the mystery bulge in the pipe that some call a baffle and some call a cat.

Hmmm...interesting. I'm not real familiar with small motors. Despite the fact that I've rebuilt my share of car and truck motors in the past, I wouldn't even know how to adjust the valves on one of these things without consulting a manual or forum. (If someone would come out with a good service/repair manual for these things, they'd make a fortune and make life a lot easier for many of us!)

You're making me feel better, Uni. I'll adjust it as best I can....but since there are zero drivability issues, even if it doesn't end up sounding perfect to me, I guess it won't be so bad.

[Universal_Diver]

I guess I am just used to my friends Yamaha 250 mx bike 4 stroke. It is cold natured BAD, and it cackles too, and he has a local race guy do all his work on it.. It idles terrible in my opinion, but it runs like a raped ape.

[Cal25]

One thing you mentioned that you are trying to achieve might be difficult. Slow idle when cold and faster idle when warm is the nature of these beasts. You might try to set the idle for somewhere in between. My bike is set such that it will not idle by itself when cold. Once warm it idles fine.

[BillR]

It idles terrible in my opinion, but it runs like a raped ape.

:lol: Thank you, that just made my day............ :lol:

I read that and just started laughing.......
Bill

[katoranger]

I think you may want to richen the fuel up alittle actually.

Allen

[Universal_Diver]

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

I am very sorry but my crap ass pic server has lost ALL of my forum pics in a drive crash. :roll:

Sorry about that. All that history for future viewers gone.

Sucks............................................. ....... :evil: :evil: :evil:

[donslookin]

Hey everyone, New rider (kinda) here,, I am looking to buy my a new atv. and it is now down to 2 to chose from,, the 250cc-V4SW and the 250cc V4D Sport Utility, both from V-Bike.. I would really like to get some input on these 2 ATVs. I have a few Bikes that I ride, but am looking for an atv to ride out here in the "real woods" of Washington. I thank all of you for all your input and please,,, ride safe :D




From everything I have read,, sounds like the V4SW 250cc from V-Bike (Tim) is the way to go.. So I think today I am going to place an order for one and see what happens... wish me luck;)

[KentuckyDonkey]

Don,

First off, are we talking the new V4D (for, I think $1449)- or the old V4D for $1149?

There was a HUGE difference between the old V4D and the V4SW- the V4SW having a much better suspension, water-cooled motor, etc.

The new V4D and the V4SW seem to be very similar. It's hard to tell how they differ, as there are not a lot of pics of it yet on the Vbike site- but for some reason, the new V4D puts out a little less horsepower than the V4SW.

All I know is that the V4SW is an AWESOME quality bike for the price- and personally, I'd give the nod to it over any of the other 250's- and the old V4D...well, it wasn't even in the same class with the V4SW- not even close. For $150 more, the V4SW was light-years ahead.

But it looks like the new V4D is closer in design, features and quality to the V4SW- but personally, I'd much rather have the V4SW for $200 less than the new V4D; and even if they were the same price, I'd still go with the V4SW after having seen it's quality. I may even buy another V4SW to sell locally....or to keep if I end up not being thrilled with the 300 Monster that I'm going to order.

Wonder if the V4D(new) has the 520 chain like the V4SW? (ask Tim)

And what's that thing sticking up in the middle of it- a sissy bar/backrest?

One word of caution: Since the new V4D is "new", if you'd prefer to go with it, I'd wait till some others get them and try them out and report on them...rather than being the guinea pig.

I just talked to someone last night from another forum, who went to pick up a Vbike in person, and he had an opportunity to test drive the new(not yet listed on the site- but being pushed by Tim on the phone) 300cc shaft-drive utility, and said that it had "issues" and design defects that were not worked out yet. Unless you like being a guinea pig, I'd stay with the tried and true models. (and that was the 2nd bad report I've heard of the new 300 shaft-drive).

The one thing I know for sure, is that the V4SW is amazing! Only drawbacks: Lack of full fenders can get you messy, and wimpy trailer hitch (I think it's actually meant to be a tie-down loop or towing hook)- but it looks like the new V4D has equally bad fenders and no trailer hitch. Seems like the only thing you're gaining with the V4D is a front rack and a winch (and is a winch really necessary on a 300 lb. bike? I think not!)

V4SW is also few inches wider than the V4D- it's very stable.

Either way, let us know what you decide and good luck!!

EDIT: Oh, and glad to see you on this forum. Unlike that other forum, where the moderator actually has a financial interest in pushing one brand/dealership, this forum is honest and unbiased. I don't post on that other forum anymore- I won't be a part of their dishonesty and nonsense.

[donslookin]

I thank you for the input,,, as for the winch, it would be nice here in western Washington (on the coast) where there are lots of hill/mountians and rivers and such. I was looking at it for a true "utility" ATV for camping and fishing. But I must say I do like the V4SW alot more for it's power and all the rest of it's stats. And for the "sissy/ backrest,, that was the little womans idea,,,lol.. But I am with you guys, I to think the V4SW is the one,, if need be,,I know how to weld and fabercate to put a winch on it later.. I thank you for all the input and hope to get either a black one or a green one,,,and will let you all know what I think after I get it...


Don




EDIT: I called Tim and asked about the chain on the V4D(new) and he said that they are running a 530 on them and also said that the front bumper and rear racks can be swapt out with other racks... Oh, good news,,,I'm getting a green one:D.... Again, Thank you all for the great input on this forum.. Other forums gave me crap for going with a Chinese quad......

And to add to that,,I did say I ride dirt bikes,, I have an Apollo ADR 125, an ADR 125 pro, and an AZX 250 pro. And all are great bikes.. Only problem was loose bolts,,,ty loctite:D

[KentuckyDonkey]

Other forums gave me crap for going with a Chinese quad......



Ya know, from what I've seen on other forums, I genuinely believe that a lot of Jap bike owners do not want to admit how far along the Chinese bikes have come lately, because it would be too painful to them to think that they could've bought a $1500 bike instead of a $4500.00 bike.

And funny thing is, from reading those other forums, it is apparent that the Jap bikes are by no means perfect- but they seem to have their share of problems too- even when new.

After having looked around at used Jap bikes, even one for $4K (someone wanted to trade for a tractor I was selling), I really don't see anything that justifies paying three or four times what the Chinx cost.

And comparing used Jap bikes in the $2K and under range, they seem very lackluster compared to a $1300 V4SW. (No digital gear indicator; didn't shift as smoothly, didn't have as much power...)

I think we have been richly rewarded for having open minds and being willing to try these Chinese bikes. (I always like to be the odd man out, anyway!).

Chinese tractors? Well, I don't know that I'd buy one of them quite yet (they're built far too light)- but I think they've got the hang of these ATVs!

Hey, Don, please post pics when ya get yours, as well as your impressions of it!

[Don: "My impression of the bike? It goes something like this: Pwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwpwp!!!!!" :lol: ]

EDIT: Ya gotta love that green, eh?! I'll bet the green ones don't sell good, because of the pic on their website- it shows such a washed-out wimpy green.

[donslookin]

well,,,I got the green one.. and tim said it would be here by friday or saturday.. I also went and picked up some after market lights for the bike,and they will be here about the same time... So after I get it all together, I will take some pics and also some after I put the lights on,,that is if I don't have to make added mounts on the bumper for them... but I will keep you all posted...

[donslookin]

well,,, Talked to Tim today and my atv should be here on friday.


I am so pumped to see what this bike will do:D:D:D

[donslookin]

Hey everyone, Well, its Monday and still no bike (early am) here, but should be here after noon today. Went out yesterday and bought lots of Loctite and found some grade 5 and 8 bolts to swap out with some on the bike. Have all my tools ready and some oil and such, along with an in-line filter and am going to find a vented fuel cap this morning too. Have my camera charged and ready to shoot, so I can post some pics for all to see,,lol.. As for the extra lights I have ordered, I won't see them for another week or so (if I'm lucky). so I hope to be able to post some news and pics later today.

with that said, have a great day all and ride safe!!

[yozalo]

I can see the pictures.

[katoranger]

Its Wednesday and no pics yet. :cry:

[KentuckyDonkey]

Its Wednesday and no pics yet. :cry:

Awww...give 'im time :) - I remember when I got my V4SW, it took over a week for me to post pics :!: ...I was too busy enjoying the bike.

Tim tells me the V4SW is his best selling bike now- and he was sold out of them when I spoke to him on Monday. I wonder why??? ;)

We have to get Tim to post on this forum- He used to post on that other, crooked forum (I thiunk they banned him, as they did me- because the mod is a shill for Jetmoto- and they thought I was working for Tim, because I'm such a fan of the Vbikes!). His posts can be very helpful to Vbike owners as well as potential customers.

[Danthalis]

Anyone have any luck locating a vented gas cap for the V4SW?

[KentuckyDonkey]

Anyone have any luck locating a vented gas cap for the V4SW?

Tim told me to drill a hole in mine!!! :o :roll: :!: (I wasn't having a problem with it though...so I never did). I wonder if the updated model (250 T) has the vent?(I'll be finding out very soon!)

[donslookin]

Hey everyone, I got my bike on tuesday and I have lots to talk about..

now where to start,,,, ok, I'll start with this, When it did show up (4:30 pm on tuesday) at first look, it looked like the damn box had been threw a damn box shredder. So I took off all the tape ( and most of the so called box was nothing but tape) and started to look over the bike. to my suprize sure enough, it looked as if the bike had been dropped down some stairs, so half of the plastic was all scratched up and some of the rails and frame were bent also, I did think about calling Tim, but decided not to and see what I can do about fixing this bunch of BS myself. So now you all know why I haven't posted in a few days. and no I didn't think at the time to take some pics.

But for the most part, the bike is in ok shape,,I guess.. so for the last 3 days and nights, I have been in my shop non-stop working on this bike. I now have most of it together and am going over everything on this bike .

I did go and buy ($100 worth) some bigger bolts and spacer washers for the frount bumper and foot pegs and also got some stickers to cover the scratches on my plastic from shipping. but here in a few days I'll let you all know what I think....

Don

[istandonit]

scratched ok. but Frame bent?? not sure I would want that.

[donslookin]

Not the main frame, but the sub frame under the seat and the framing that hold the rear rack along with bent foot pegs.. but I have it all moreless straight now. and almost have it 100% together.. so in the next few days, i'll post up some pics