Gio 110cc Mini Beast Assembled - Pics

[TurboT]

Hey Forum,

Thought I would share some pics of the newly assembled toy for all to see.
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/IMG_9229.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/IMG_9237.jpg

Here is the wheel nut problem I'm concerned with. The nut sits too far in for the cotter pin to sit in the spaces. I'm worried it will loosen and give me wheel shake and do damage. You can see I have extra washers in there!

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/IMG_9239.jpg

Pretty extensive assembly. John at GioBikes tells me the Mini Beast comes with the most assembly of all his models. Nice to know that after the fact! Will be firing it up later today and will let all know how it goes.

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/IMG_9241.jpg

[yozalo]

Does it come with front drum brakes.

[TurboT]

Front drum brakes are an option on checkout. I never ordered them because I didn't feel my daughter would be screaming around enough to need them, but they are available but I do think it was $150 more or so, don't remember exactly.

[yozalo]

It was $30, anyways. How is the quality of the atv compared to other brands.

[TurboT]

Mate I have no idea this is my first QUAD of any kind.

I haven't even started it need to move it outside, change out the shipping oil and gas it up. Waiting for my wife to get home as I need a hand lifting it over some things. (Long story)

I will write a full review for everyone once it starts and I give it a test ride.

I would say some of the threads in the frame were horrible. I was concerned I was going to strip bolts. I'd recommend a tap set for anyone putting one together to run through especially the handlebar clamps and the foot pegs areas. Some of the welds look dodgy to me, or certainly not that clean, and where the foot peg goes on the right side I can move the peg and the receiving area with my hand so I'd hate to land a jump with my foot on it might break it off. All just early impressions though.

[yozalo]

Please tell me how it goes since I was interested in purchasing the same exact quad. I was also interested in the bull quadro but it is too heavy and has a small engine. Anyways, tell me how things go. I was interested in purchasing one before the weekend is over.

[KentuckyDonkey]

Neat looking little bike!

I know a little girl who's gonna be real happy.....

[TurboT]

Yes, she was quite happy!

Took it for a little burn on the school field across the street (shh, don't tell anyone) and she had a big beaming smile the whole time. It ran for about 2.5 hours on low speed for the kids for a good break-in. Will try to get it out again in the next couple days to get through the tank of gas then change the oil out.

I would say the bike does do okay. It has a tendancy to lock up the back brake, I do think it's when you come off the throttle fast. The manual says it will do this but it took me some time to figure out why I couldn't get it to move on the first few times. Anyone with any tips on this is helpful.

I'd say it's a bit gutless for me but that's fine I'm not the primary rider. Shocks are pretty squishy too.

Low end torque is bad, for my youngest daughter I had to screw the govener screw in all the way and it struggles to get her going on the lowest setting, but I didn't want to open it up more as she's a little small for it.

[yozalo]

I had the same problem on my 50cc. The brake just lock up. Is your back axel aligned?

[TurboT]

It's as aligned as it would be out of the box! I don't really have a way to align it properly. If you have any tips on how I would do that with hand tools I'm all ears err eyes! :)

[Turnburn99]

I have never encountered this problem with the brakes! One test I'd do first would be to block up the back end and rotate the back tires by hand watching the brake disk to see if it's running true or not. Does not make sense to me why your brakes would lock on after the throttle is realeased.
Let us know how you are making out. :?

[Turnburn99]

As far as the wheel nuts are concerned, I've had a few of the smaller 50cc gio's come in where the axil is shifted too much to one side or the other. What I've done in that case is tighten the side that has less room first, thus causing the axil to shift a little in the proper direction, then tighten the other side once they are even. Have not had this problem with the mini beast yet, but sounds similar. Hope this helps a little. :)

[Turnburn99]

Actually now that I'm awake and thinking of it, that may have something to do with the brakes grabbing too, if the axil isn't sitting where is should be. If your axil is too much one way or the other, then the brake will grab on one side of the disk, because the caliper will not be centered on the disk. Only a thought, but let us know if this helps. :)

[AZ200cc]

Yah the brakes probably of kilter and maing contact at all times, That would explain the low power and the lock up.

[TurboT]

Hey guys thanks for the tips and insight.

It's been parked in the backyard for the past couple days with a few start ups to keep the gas flowing but no riding. (Not great weather and been working)

To be fair, the brake locked up on me a couple times initially but after riding for a while it seemed to stop. So perhaps it needed to spin some and seat in, and I did fiddle with it a little. I will check the alignment and see if it spins straight now.

As for the lack of power. I did notice after I tightened the nuts on the back axel it didn't seem to spin as easily as without the wheels on. I don't know why this would be. Once sliding on the spacer tube and tightening the nut, it was hard to turn. I can't imagine the alignment would be the cause as it seemed to correlate to my tightening the bolt. I will loosen them off and see if it rolls better when doing another check through.

[yozalo]

Helle Turbo T,

Is it possible you guide me on how to assemble the following on my Giovanni 110cc mini beast:

1) How do you install the muffler
2) How do you install front drum brakes. My atv came with it for free when I did not even order it.
3)Did your atv come missing with tons of nuts and bolts?

[TurboT]

Hi,

The muffler's were a bit of a bitch for me. You have to put them on before you install the rear shock.(Learned that the hard way) You just slide the tubes into each other, and use the hose clamps to squeeze them together. (two spots) One piece goes on the pipe already attached to the exhaust of the motor, the other attaches to it behind the shock. I'd put the clamp close to the end of the pipe as I put mine in the middle and it tends to leak there. Once you get the pipes in, you need to bolt the flange on the muffler to the bike where the reflectors are. You will see a long slot there. Take the reflector off and use that bolt/nut. I wouldn't tighten the clamps until you have the flanges lined up and everything in the right spot. I had to bend the flange on the muffler on the left side because it did not line up properly. (did this with the bolt and nut and was worried doing it but it worked out)

I was missing some nuts and bolts, mainly for the fenders that attach to the foot pegs. I wouldn't say it was a 'ton' One side is only held on by two fasteners where there should be four I think. Other than that I had enough bolts to do me.

I did not have a front brake so I can't help you with that. Perhaps Turnburn has installed some of those.

[yozalo]

Yea, I just realized mine does not have front brakes. It only came with the leaver. Anyways, can I have some pictures on how you installed your muffler. Your help is greatly appreciated.

[yozalo]

Here are some pics on my 110cc mini beast. I did not finish assembling it but just need some minor help.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm265/yozalo/IMG_0246.jpg


http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm265/yozalo/IMG_0250.jpg

How do you put the back bushing back into the axle.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm265/yozalo/IMG_0254.jpg


http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm265/yozalo/IMG_0257-1.jpg


My atv came with a choke switch with means I can turn it off or on from my handlebar.

[TurboT]

Yozalo that looks weird... did you pull that seal and bushing out or did it come like that?

Also, your pin looks like it could come out installed that way on your tire, or is that just a mock up shot?

I will try to take some pics of the exhaust on mine a little later.

[yozalo]

I did not pull the seal or bushing out. It came like that.

I bought upgraded pins at home depot as the ones that came with the atv were very poor quality.

I greatly appreciate your help turbo t. Please post pics soon. Also, how do you put the seal and bushing back in.

[TurboT]

As for the pins: I still think those will fall out, although I don't know how tight they are. I feel like they should be in the slots of the nut and bent back. Mine did not fit into the nut as it sank too far in which bothers me.

The bushing and seal is strange. Mine did not come like that is was pushed in and installed. I am trying to think of a way you could push it back in without taking the chain assembly off since you want it to go in straight and not tip one way or the other...also, from looking at the picture it looks like even if you did install it some spline will still be exposed, I see no spline on mine in that location. I think someone else here should see that and perhaps has some opinions, otherwise I would be showing that shot to John at Gio to see what he thinks if you got a bad factory one there.

[yozalo]

I'm not sure what to do. The cotter pins are pretty tight in (I had to hammer them in), do you think I need to put some more washers in.

[TurboT]

If you had to hammer in the pins it's probably okay, and I wouldn't recommend bending them then. JUst don't want your wheel to fall off!

Here are some photos of my exhaust install.

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0126.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0126.jpg)

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0128.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0128.jpg)

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0129.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0129.jpg)

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0127.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0127.jpg)

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0130.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0130.jpg)

Here is a shot of my rear axel.
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0125.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0125.jpg)

Here is a shot of my front wheel nut like I think it should be with the pin in the nut slot.
http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0131.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0131.jpg)

..and the back where I think there is too much gap.

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/HPIM0132.jpg (http://s566.photobucket.com/albums/ss108/GioBikePhoto/?action=view&current=HPIM0132.jpg)

Hopefully the exhaust pics help you and perhaps someone is here who can help with that axel bushing issue.

[yozalo]

Yes, thanks for the pictures. If someone else could help with the bushing issue please tell me. I will install some washers which I could purchase at home depot. There is a pretty big gap between the cotter pin and castle nut.

[yozalo]

Also should I email John about this problem. What should I tell him about the problem.

[TurboT]

Mate I would just send him a nice email, showing him those two pictures. Let him know it came out of the box this way and you're not sure how you would go about re-assembling that and if he has any suggestions. Mine came with the seal and bushing installed and it could be there is a problem re housing size or something there.. I would also let him know you're not sure what tool to use to try to re-install and that seal my be garbage now. (One time installs)

He is pretty good and answers normally within 24 hours.

[yozalo]

I emailed John and I think he does not know what to do. I emailed him about other questions and received a response the same day. I told him about the problem yesterday but he has yet to respond. He has responded to all my questions except for this problem. I don't think he knows since it says that we are not mechanics and only to email him if you need replacement parts.

[TurboT]

Sometimes he is slower than others I'd give him some time. Perhaps he needs to show it to his assemblers or such to get some feedback from them.

[yozalo]

Here was parts are broken: The brake caliper, back axel and back rotor.

[yozalo]

I just checked the back caliper and it was literally broken. The brake pads had fallen off, which I had thought I could put it back but once I removed it, I saw that it was literally broken, a chuck of it was missing.

[yozalo]

Also I forgot to loctite mostly all my screws and nuts. I will have to go back and do that. What type of loctite did you use. I currently have green left, which I will defenitly not be using. Did you loctite all your screws or just some major ones.

[TurboT]

I've always only used red loctite in any of my wrenching. Never really investigated what the purpose for any of the other colours were for.

I didn't take off every bolt and loctite them. I only loctited the bolts I installed and checked the others I could see for torque/tight.

I'm sorry to hear you've had all these problems. You sound like you have wrecked one, either from shipping or elsewhere. Be nice if you could get a new one shipped and send that thing back but I'm guessing that's not a likely scenario.

My sister in law just ordered a Mini Hummer on my recommendation so hopefully that one doesn't come all damaged or I'll never hear the end of it.

[yozalo]

John is excellent at sending parts. He shipped them next day. I did not have to send him photos and also he did not charge me shipping. He shipped me the back caliper, rotor, and the back axel. Mostly everything from the back was broken. The atv may have came damaged but his parts service was amazing.

[TurboT]

Yes he is pretty good..however now you get to put all that stuff on!

At least you'll know your quad inside/out when you're done!

[yozalo]

I already did this to my 50cc but I don't know how to remove the chain as I accidentally broke my 50cc master link. 8)

[yozalo]

How do you remove your atv master link. I broke mine last time in this process. I took a hammer and a flat head screw driver to remove it last time.