Qlink offer a new product.

[Oengus]

They are the Adventure 250 and the Tour 250.

V-twin cruiser?

No prices on them....no buy now option.


I would have liked to see them offer the 250cc version of the XP/XF thats sold in China....not that I would buy one, but just because I would like to see them sell something I would even consider buying.

Qingqi also offer a 250cc street bike as well, something I would also consider...since both of those have a Suzuki GN250 engine that offers about 20hp.

another V-twin cruiser?

[FastDoc]

I saw that. Not much on the website, must be an early release of information.

On the other hand, Megilli was on Q's website for a while and that never panned out for Q Link.

[Oengus]

The break may be only marketing?

Has you friend that is a dealer been offered an option from Bennchi?
Does he carry any big four brands?

If the first is yes then the second is yes as well? If the first is no then the second may be the reason.

The megelli is not an ordinary chinese product, they are not really mishandling it but they kind of are.

The megelli IMO should have been marketed as a Megelli and the Bennchi name is uneeded. If they chose to offer the bike through a seperated distribution system then that is totally redundent and does nothting but add unit costs. They can market them seperately but the sharing of distribution is totally neccessary to keep costs down and to ever have any real growth.

[Oengus]

If Qlink offered this Hi-bird they would have tugged at my strings but these bikes they are not anything special to me. I think I would rather have a Zongshen Storm and Phil and many other have them and would love to get them out of the showroom all they do is collect dust.

HI-Bird
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/hbmoto.jpg

[Oengus]

You know the Sportster is a nice bike, and you can get real nice used one for under $5K what will they be asking for a 250cc cruiser? I bet over $3K and that’s a lot considering all the other cruisers floating around.

I guess if I got stuck on them I would understand, but I really do not like having by legs out in front.

I like up and down, the racers bother me too that being in back of me.

Then changing may mess you up too? But up and down seem more natural IMO. You can get Sportsters with out in front or straight up and down, its an option.

I love the XR1200!
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/xr1200.png

[Weldangrind]

It has been my observation that anyone over six feet needs forward controls on a Sporty. It's difficult to keep your foot placed over the rear brake pedal if your knees are bent too far.

[FastDoc]

You know the Sportster is a nice bike, and you can get real nice used one for under $5K what will they be asking for a 250cc cruiser? I bet over $3K and that’s a lot considering all the other cruisers floating around.

I guess if I got stuck on them I would understand, but I really do not like having by legs out in front.

I like up and down, the racers bother me too that being in back of me.

Then changing may mess you up too? But up and down seem more natural IMO. You can get Sportsters with out in front or straight up and down, its an option.

I love the XR1200!
http://d-fuse.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/harley_davidson_xr1200_sportster_prototype.jpg

That bike floats my boat too.

My buddy Andy, owner of Canyon Country Cycle in Kennewick, Washington mostly operates an all-brands repair shop. He also builds custom Harleys, and sells parts and accesories for all brands.

He dabbles in Q's. He's sold a bunch of Rodeo 90 ATV's (I bought one for my (ex)stepson), and big UTV's to the farmers/ranchers out here.

I bought my XF from him too. I sold that, and then he found a good deal on the XP and sold me that for close to his cost, $1,600 out the door. 8)

He also provides Q Link warantee work if needed.

[Oengus]

Oh I know....it's a real cool bike and it fits perfect under me!

Do the Hi -Bird products have respectable quality? That bike is EPA/DOT. I believe, wonder if any have been imported?

Heres is the link to their new website.

http://www.hbmusa.us/

:o

They have a v-twin chopper and a odd looking dually and that bike.
I bet their sales people (if they have any) are just lost in the sea of products being offered to every dealer.

The site has been "under construction" for a while, makes me think "I wonder if they could not pay the invoice to for the host server"? They sometimes, outsource the site design and then cannot or do not have anyone that can maintain it, then sometimes they cannot pay the support invoice.

If I was HD I would buy Hi-Bird and then sell the bike in China as Harleys! Charge a premium and even export them, after the Chinese consumers test all bugs out of the bikes. Then when the exchange rate shifts, they can bring the prodcution back and sell small displacement starters bikes and take all the Honda Rebel and china clone customers.

[phil]

i havent seen any of that hibird model here or being offered ive never even seen a picture of a real one. but i have talked to the rep, maybe not the same one now but i can say i love it, a lot i like the xr750 style, but see i dont think hd would buy them see zong and hd have a trade agreement or something , and im not sure who would buy who there. btw hibird uses the storm engine. i like this bike but im in love with a cartoon 8O

[Oengus]

Here is a B2B site that is attempting to sell the bikes, the Dual Sport is interesting and also ready to be sold in the USA. Seems the Chopper that we have all seen is for sale but these are not in the USA yet, have to wonder why?

http://www.b2btrade.biz/leads_117982/

Are you familiar with TAAL Enterprises? They are in Wise VA, a Hi-bird dealer. 276-328-2408
http://www.readybike.net/view_cycle_details.php?RID=5657


The cruiser is really nothing unproven, the build would be but the engine is off the shelve. Basically the same as the Storm.

Seems like somebody had a good idea with Hi-Bird USA, the site when it was up had just the three bikes on it the cruiser, chopper and dually. Maybe they are building a real good site? Or its just another attempt gone south, like so many have.

You getting any business from that University? Seems like they may be all green washed by now and buying scooters?

Here is the alibaba page for them, that being Hi-Bird

http://chinaatv.en.alibaba.com/featureproductlist.html

It has the chopper and the dually and the vanilla 250cc street bike that TAAL is attempting to sell.
But no Cruiser, the cruiser is a feeler IMO and I am so surprised nobody with some capital has not gotten hot on bringing that bike to the US, but then again its a very funny market here and flat to say the least.

The Chinese have to do more testing on the road and with control groups, then use that to improve the products. Simply just launching a small amount of bikes and then keeping track of them. A sampling for quality control and then advertising that and the results and any corrective measures documented.

They are to me like the guy that shovels coal into the furnace fast and furious, never stopping to notice the house is on fire.

[Oengus]

Loncin has real nice cruiser they call the T.REX

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/2009730193155553.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/2009730194427734.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/2009730194353191.jpg

The fit and finish on that is very good, its got a good look to it.

[Cal25]

:?:

[Oengus]

I would have reduced the rake and lowered the bars, that bike could have been different. HD is spot on for the next generation with the café style bike, the naked street bikes are also very popular. Many people want a more standard riding position and with that comes better maneuverability. Having your arms and legs extended limit’s the range of motion.

Some HD bikes you almost have to let go of one side of the handle bars to make a turn. Fully extended is fully extended, people get used to that and some are accustomed to it, its just not ideal to me.

I guess I am all about standard….they seem to be missing from the mix.

[phil]

Thats neat, taal ent? i looked them up, by the map i go to church on the other side of the road on the hill, and i have never seen it its a residential area with no business and no buildings for it, and i havent herd anything about them si i would guess its a mistake in the listing heres a picture http://www.manta.com/c/mmnr8xg/taal-enterprises-llc. i think i know the guy who lives there, it may not be mistake, but if its the same guy ill not comment further than i think i would try another source if i was looking :wink:

[culcune]

The Hi-Bird cruiser was sold here in the US, and there were a few videos of it on youtube put up by Hi-Bird (the video shows someone from the official Hi-bird USA warehouse in OK ride it up and down the street. The problem was the cost--something like an asking price of $4k!! Someone here found out that one could order a sample, which was closer to $3k, but no one on chinariders ever mentioned buying one.

The Sporter looking bike seemed to never be here, as well as the dual-sport, in spite of the promise it showed. It was a shame because several members had ordered the 250 Hi-Bird GY from VBike, to good review, so even if Hi-Bird had just thrown the EPA-approved engine in that new body (I think they used to hint at a 30hp version when the hbmusa site was up and running) they would have had some happy China riders. Oh well....

[culcune]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA8W_YbE0Es

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aScmfn27v9s

Komoto Motors shows they have them

http://www.komoto-motors.com/

[Oengus]

David I bet since you worked for Hyosung your familiar with the RT125 Karion.

There is a heck of a lot of similarity with that model and a DR200 and the XP/XF200.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2337/1599165275_780902c631.jpg

The tanks have relatively the same shape, but they did a real nice job reducing the side fairing and the seat.
This configuration within the XP/XF200 is inherent, in that it could be easily configured and would be appealing to some that really are not looking for a dirt bike. Considering that a 250cc is in the works then again another version of that with 250cc as well is possible.

The 200cc street bike is available in other markets and I have seen a 250cc version as well….is there an assumption at Qlink that these are not marketable in the US?

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/125ccQQ.jpg

If that is the case then why not test the market? Why not bring in a limited number and see how well they sell?

I personally do not think the rear tire on the Karion needs to be that fat and would like it to be better proportioned to the front tire. But I really like the style of that bike and I know I am not alone.

It seems to me that having access to Qingqi could bring about more models, they have a weak little version of a tracker at 125cc….that style bike also has a market.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/trackerQQ125.jpg

However not as a 125cc and not with the lines it currently has, but could be evolved into a 200/250cc version like the version offered by Suzuki.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/2003_TU250-Bigboy_yel_500.jpg

Which could also support a more standard version
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/Suzuki250ST.jpg

Which could be offered in more café style version
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/tu250.jpg

Lots of versions of basically the same bikes….but accommodating a variety of tastes. Keeping the price down and offering better warranty and service. I also see a 200cc/250cc line as internationally marketable. The starters in the USA are higher end bikes in other markets.

I would say that offering more and in a limited numbers is the best way to measure demand.

Maybe some people are overlooking something the entry level market is only going to buy what’s available and that may come off as a consensus in taste when in realty it just an accommodation to what is available in realty. Dealers are expert on nothing, people walk in and out all the time they are not expressing to them, its a waste of time. They know little and converse with only a few, those conversations are alway a regergitation of somehting that been said a million times before. Just offer the bike direct ship and pay them to prep the bikes. Then offer them better margins only if your sure they can sell them in their market.

Qlink is the top dog in the 50cc to 250cc range and there is a lot of crap surrounding them and the choices are all limited. I have to wonder where the powers that be in your company's heads are at, the people that believe that Qlink is an acceptable name brand to build on? I see faces crinkle every time on that brand I could careless but some people never make it past the name and its actually a manufactured obstacle and somebody thought it to be a good idea? They may want to consider the use of focus groups before choosing names they decide to use in foreign markets. Particularly for slogans which often come of grammatically confusing to many?

Maybe the cruiser will sell but the fact that they are identical to so many other products on the market is disturbing not to mention there is a potential for others to undercut the values of those, maybe the qlink sourced bikes are better but who and how will that ever be known? If vento goes under then all those bikes get discounted and your source is were? The dealer will buy and sell what version first? The ones they get cheapest?

What are they using to measure demand imports or registrations? There are bikes sitting in inventory its all inventory till its registered. I bet they count dealers as unit sales even though they bikes are sitting in showrooms with 2007 dust on them. That counting or measuring demand on all those cruiser versions…..all those different VIN numbers and all the different states. I really doubt they have their finger on real demand (registrations) they are looking at what numbers?

[melvillebutler]

You have gave the nice information for each bike. I like it dude, All the youngest members wants to high CC bikes. But I have seen that It had been introduced in limited country. So that Other users will not use such kind of bikes as well. Even I will also plan to get new speedy and stylist bike. I wish that I will find it easily as I thought.

[Oengus]

Oh its actually a person that does not do so good with the English.

He writes you provide good information on the bikes. All the younger members want more cc…as in they all want more power. The Suzuki was only offered to a limited market. He want a cool bike….stylish and with good power….but he is not finding what he wants.

He basically is paraphrasing me….Oh it actually a person that does not do so good with the English.

Suzuki has the TU250 offered in the USA but not the tracker….that probably good since then I would have to have it and then have to sell my XP200 to get it….they have the street version listed for 2011 but not the tracker, I actually like the BIG BOY version it has a higher seat.

I been looking at VERSYS also used ones. I just not sure what bike is right for me….the XP200 is a good bike but I really do not need a dual sport.

[Oengus]

That RT125 Karion I think is a four valve DOHC even though it is only a 125cc it rated at 15hp, notice the engine look like half the 249cc V-twin on the GT250.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/2009-hyosung-gt250.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/karion125.jpg

[jonnyj99]

A street is a thoroughfare paved public street built environment.The is a public easement, one of the few shared between all sorts of people. Personally, I do not think the rear tires on Carion must be that the fat and I want to make it more proportionate to the front wheel.

[mizke]

I love the XR1200!
http://d-fuse.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/harley_davidson_xr1200_sportster_prototype.jpg

ok that bike is drop dead sexy, if i was not set on a crotch rocket. that would deff be my style...





[quote="Oengus"]That RT125 Karion I think is a four valve DOHC even though it is only a 125cc it rated at 15hp, notice the engine look like half the 249cc V-twin on the GT250.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/2009-hyosung-gt250.jpg
quote]

love the ass on this bike, but in my eyes the front end kills the look..

[Oengus]

I am getting more interested in twin cams, I like the sherpa and they seem to be affordable used.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/KAWASAKIKL250SuperSherpa-medium-1234_1.jpg

or a KLX
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/klx_08-1.jpg

I do not want that much more but both of these 250's offer close to 30hp. That would satisfy me.