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Oengus
09-27-2010, 11:56 PM
The same manufacturer that makes the HYOSUNG Comet, is advertising a what looks like a copy of the TW200?

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20100813113540-LT1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20100813113604-LT.jpg

They call it a YX-LT200 here are the only pictures they offer, and there is some inconsistency on the specs, it says air cooled yet the image shows what looks like oil coolers.

Comet
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090116151002-b1-1.jpg


That is Yin Xiang; In year 2002, YINXIANG group joint venture with HYOSUNG motors & machine Inc Korea, as Chongqing Hyosung Motorcycle Corporation Limited, and imports new motorcycle models and technologies of manufacturing from Korea.

http://www.yinxianggroup.com/

FastDoc
09-28-2010, 12:28 AM
That sure looks like a Trail Way. Spud's gonna be interested in that. I love the little V-Twin!

Oengus
09-28-2010, 12:32 AM
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/3037981-20090917062149.jpg

http://www.tradekey.com/product_view/id/1114775.htm

It's interesting that they advertise that bike for sale on the tradekey B2B site.

http://751248727.en.ec21.com/company_info.jsp

Those are more advanced engines....that v-twin also has a very powerful 125cc half version of it. A 125cc DOHC 4-valve that has a very good hp rating. The twin offers about 30hp and the single about 15hp.

Here is a Yin Xiang 233cc that has four valves?
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090819104740-5.jpg

20hp @ 8000 rpm

Oengus
09-28-2010, 12:41 AM
I am so sure it is a TW200 and wonder why they are advertising it? I see the emblem on the tank.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/2006TW200.jpg

TurboT
09-28-2010, 12:49 AM
I am so sure it is a TW200 and wonder why they are advertising it? I see the emblem on the tank.

I think you need a 'sample' :)

mizke
09-28-2010, 01:01 AM
Those are more advanced engines....that v-twin also has a very powerful 125cc half version of it. A 125cc DOHC 4-valve that has a very good hp rating. The twin offers about 30hp and the single about 15hp.

Here is a Yin Xiang 233cc that has four valves?
[img]http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090819104740-5.jpg

20hp @ 8000 rpm


that looks like it would be a direct bolt into the beast frame, based on the front motor mount bolt holes..hmmmm that motor would look good in a quad and bump the power up from 13 to 20

Oengus
09-28-2010, 01:03 AM
Is that there version of the Karion?

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/4023VCG-HYOSUNGRT125DKARION.jpg

Oengus
09-28-2010, 01:12 AM
Actually Evosales needs to get samples and stop thinking so cheap!

Buy mixed container full of some cool bikes.....then make sure they all have parts books and service manuals....oh yeah and mirrors.

Cal25
09-28-2010, 09:27 AM
Actually Evosales needs to get samples and stop thinking so cheap!

Buy mixed container full of some cool bikes.....then make sure they all have parts books and service manuals....oh yeah and mirrors.

Dont forget the EPA certs. In the video on the Sachs Madass, the guy said they invested about $100,000 on the EPA certification.

Oengus
09-30-2010, 12:00 AM
Here is step one?
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/23-hmc-reviewsheet.pdf

Makes me wonder how much that is worth? A check list that breaks it all out and even references the specific sections of the regulations.

Considering that most of the engines that the Chinese manufacturer exist in compliant versions in the market how difficult is it to find a GY6 that is complainant....

I am being silly here but maybe this might help...
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/2-steps-hmc-cert.pdf

If the whole process costs $100,000.00 I must be at a few hundred by now?

Oengus
09-30-2010, 12:05 AM
This is interesting...sort of.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03046.pdf

Oengus
09-30-2010, 12:12 AM
here is the EPA page,
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/roadbike.htm#Verify_CDX

I am trying to find the list of conforming models....I know it exists but I have not found it yet.

If they offered a search engine for vehicles that are already approved then importers could access them easier.

But part of the compliance for 2010 is a service manual, I am sure I seen that on the power point slide....

Oengus
09-30-2010, 12:45 AM
I am sure that people can access that website themselves and see that manufacturer is partnered with Hyosung.
They have this bike as an image on one page.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/new_r2_c2.jpg

That’s the Hyosung GV650.…

There are some other models they have added to the sight….they have a very wide selection of CUBS which typically have a GY6 engine, like the SACH.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090116102538-a1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090116103331-a5.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090116152634-c9.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090916152513-DSC_0386.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20100225124549-k.jpg

So one certificate could cover all those if equipped with the same GY6 engine and controls. Its not that CUB's are not popular in the USA its that people are not that acquainted with them….the SACH is a CUB. Making a SACH version would take what a weekend? Conversely if it is configured to meet EPA then so can any version of it.

Oengus
09-30-2010, 01:15 AM
Who makes this?
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/37.jpg

I hate to say it but some of the eastern block countries think they are being made domestically? Maybe they are but I really would bet that they are being made in china.

Oengus
09-30-2010, 01:37 AM
Daelim has a bike made by Shineray they call it the Roadwin and offer it under there name in the USA but only as a 4 valve 125cc? They offer no HP or TQ…but Shineray is attempting to sell it as well in a 250cc version. The kicker is that Daelim has it for $3,290.00 MSRP!
http://www.daelimusa.com/guia/comercios/daelimusa/html/inicio.htm

Same bike….listed here for import. $1,280.00
http://www.fastglobalsupplier.com/cart.php?target=category&category_id=83
And a 250cc version (232cc) 16.32 hp for $1,220.00

Its crazy….

How about a 200cc version for $1,180.00?
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/cartphp.gif

They cannot do it, it is not the EPA its that nobody can figure out how to market and distribute them?

Weldangrind
09-30-2010, 02:17 AM
I think this is cool; I'd ride it around town.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090116103331-a5.jpg

This looks like an old Honda Dream.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/20090916152513-DSC_0386.jpg

With some subtle changes, this isn't far from the Sachs MadAss.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/37.jpg

BTW, none of these have a GY6.

Cal25
09-30-2010, 07:52 AM
The first one has some promise. The last one has fail written on a couple of parts. The seat doesnt look good nor does it look comfortable. The front fender is just wrong.

Weldangrind
09-30-2010, 10:30 AM
Compare it with this one, and you can see the distant family relationship.


http://scootersintheusa.com/images/Sachs-Madass_1.jpg

Oengus
09-30-2010, 08:13 PM
I do not really know much about the horizontal engines what is this one?

http://www.yinxianggroup.com/files.upload/20090918_09492115/20090818100700-1.jpg

or this?

http://www.yinxianggroup.com/files.upload/20090919_09360301/20090819094156-1.jpg

I think most CUB have an auto clutch, they are not autos or what they call a CVT like the scooters are.

Oengus
09-30-2010, 08:35 PM
Oh look what I found….

http://www.extrememotorsales.com/streetbike.htm

This site is selling the Megelli drop shipped for $3,500.00

Weldangrind
10-01-2010, 02:12 AM
Those two engines look like different views of the same family of Honda clone. They're based on the original Honda architecture that dates back to the sixties. They're available as standard four speed, semi-auto three or four speed and fully automatic wet clutch CVT that I'm aware of. There might be other configurations as well.

They started as 50, then 70, 90 and 110 at Honda, but our Chinese friends have poked and stroked 'em to 150cc and beyond. 8O 125 is as far as I'd go for reliability reasons.

Oengus
10-02-2010, 09:37 PM
YinXiang makes a lot of models, this bike was manufacturer by them for Hyosung.

Hyosung called it the Imperial….here are some pictures of that motorcycle.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/Hyosung20GF201252000-1.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_1_2_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_2_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_3_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_4_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_10_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_11_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_5_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_7_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_8_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/24060_0_9_3_gf2012520e_Image20credits20-20Hyosung.jpg

Yin Xiang has this bike on its website and also a faired version with a 250cc, which is nothing more then a Honda 223cc engine, more then likely. But it’s a good design and with the larger engine would be a decent street bike.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/YinXiang-Imperial250.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/YinXiang-Imperial.jpg

its kind of a cheap copy of a SRX250
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/Yamahasrx250.jpg

With some minor modifications and the 223cc engine it would be a cool bike and should not cost that much....the plastic is to heavy on the side it needs the air box like the SRX has and a blacked out engine. Also a less heavy front fender.
more like this
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/yamaha-srx250-2.jpg

Oengus
11-01-2010, 11:09 PM
XinYiang's version of a TW200, that bike has a 4-valve 200cc engine with 16.5hp and an oil cooler. The also have a 233cc four valve single that is rated at 20hp.

XinYiang basically offers more powerful engines as a result of there exchanges with Hyusong.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Xin%20Yiang/YZ200GY-2.jpg