Anyone Know Of Dong Fang DF250RTB Bobber?

[Barnone]

Any experience or knowledge of the Dong Fang DF250RTB Bobber?

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/bobberchopperblack.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/mc_df250rtb20.jpg

http://www.extremescooters.biz/250cc-street-legal-bobber-chopper.aspx

[Weldangrind]

Never heard of it, but it's about time somebody built one. The fenders and frame are a total win, but the tank shape needs work. A Sporty tank would be perfect.

[RageHardIntoTheBendies]

There was an ad on UsedVictoria today for 200cc bobbers.
Could not check out the site due the filters my work has on my internet.

http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/Kustom-bobbers_14055068

[FastDoc]

Nice looking bike. Never heard of it though.

[Weldangrind]

There was an ad on UsedVictoria today for 200cc bobbers.
Could not check out the site due the filters my work has on my internet.

http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/Kustom-bobbers_14055068

Those look like Kikker bobbers: http://www.kikker5150.com/hardknock.html (scroll down the page to find the 200).

That's a lot of cash for a 200. I wonder if they have TC approval yet; if so, that might explain the cost. They've been available in the US for some time.

[Reveeen]

Certainly a "no mercy" situation on the price!

In the depths of winter here, 2006-2008 Sportsters are selling for that, and will continue to be worth exactly (if not more) what you paid for it, year in, year out. I looked at a Triumph speed triple here last week for $3000 (asking). There is a local guy trying to unload a Ducati monster (salvage title) for $4000 (asking).

I say get a two piece tank like for the real choppers, get rid of all the blinquers and put on some straight handle bars and I think it be a beautifull bike to cruise around :D

[Barnone]

I agree with the straight handlebars but would keep the tank and replace the mirrors with bar end ones.
And the Secondary Air Injection would have to go.
Flat black would be my choice.
The motor is really 230cc or so. Honda clone?

[JTCAndrew]

I Sold this after building it, Becuase I wanted the XF200. I paid $150.00 FOR THIS BIKE. It was a basket case, but had a really sweet low miles engine. Basically rebuilt every nut and bolt on it. Chopped her down 2.5" Redid everything. Total investment was $700 and I sold her for $1700.
If you want to see just how modified this bike is Google picstures of a Honda Twinstar - Hated to do it, but fell in love with the XF200.

Have a Peek and Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCKoA8APv3M

Andrew

[katoranger]

I love the sound. Also can I get some of that fast computer service. :wink:

[JTCAndrew]

LOL - Katto Ranger, Although you are in Georgia, We can help with many Services - So if you are actualy in need of something please PM Me.

Andrew :)
http://www.JamestownComputer.com

[FastDoc]

That bike looks and sounds amazing! That's the first interesting Twinstar I've ever seen! 8)

How did you get it to sound like a V-Twin with a cam? :?:

[JTCAndrew]

Wasn'thard to get the sound. I cut the Muflers off - LOL Added 8" to each side to extend the pipes back. (Not shownin video) Wrapped the Pipesin Header Tape. I was going to add some baffles - but sold her as is. I did love the way she sounded also. I am going to get a FMF or Pro Circuit Can for my XF200 Very soon. Can't wait to see what that does. 8O

[Barnone]

Report if you are interested is at
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Anyone-Know-Of-Dong-Fang-DF250RTB-Bobber
I got it from
http://www.extremescooters.biz/250cc-street-legal-bobber-chopper.aspx
Nice people to do business with.

[JTCAndrew]

looks sweet barnone! Keep us posted on your likes and dislikes!

[Weldangrind]

That's an even nicer machine in your photos. Here's hoping that rigid frame doesn't cause you to urinate blood. :lol:

I'm looking forward to further reports on your new bike. :D

[Barnone]

So far so good but she needs another tooth on the front sprocket. Why do they gear all these bikes so low? I've added the tooth on all my bikes to get some use out of first gear and reduce the revs at cruise.
Fun to ride and getting a lot of positive comments on the bobber.

[Weldangrind]

Maybe they're geared below because of the dirt bike heritage. That said, we almost always drop a tooth or two in the front to bring it down to 12 for dirt only.

Looking forward to more pics. :D

[JTCAndrew]

Yes More Pictures - we all like pictures, and of course your comments on this new bike. I have the cycleworld edition that they reviewed the Heist. Definately caught my attention, but not this year, maybe NEXT year. And of course theres The Kikker 5150 - which I almost bought instead of the Qlink - I belive the Kikker comes in like 3 or 4 boxes. Alot more assembly on those I think. I Didn't like the side shifter on those though. You probably have no issue with touching on your new bobber do ya? Whats the seat height like 24- 26inches? LOL Sweet looking bike - Keep the pics coming!

Andrew :D

[Barnone]

I pulled the cover off the front sprocket and it has a 13 tooth and does not look like there is room for a 14 so I might have to get a smaller rear sprocket to change the gearing.

Almost up to 100 miles on her after my 60 mile ride out to the ranch and back. Break in sticker on the motor says to keep her under 50 KMPH for 300KMs so not much more to go.

Put a magnetic drain plug in her yesterday.

The owner's manual says to run 40PSI from and rear. Seems like a lot to me.

First rigid rear for me and I am surprised how well it handles on the street.

[JTCAndrew]

I'll have to go back and look at pics, but would there be room if you left the cover off? I know it probably, wouldn't look as pretty and takes some saftey factors away, but a common look on Bobbers anyway - Especially Some Nortons, and Triumps.....Going to look at some pic's. Just tell me if i'm crazy, but just throwing it out there. :roll:

[Barnone]

Andrew,
I'll take another look later today but am going for a ride with my scooter/bike group now.
I don't mind leaving the cover off but there is a wire there that appears to be a problem with a larger front sprocket.

I have the Cycle World mag with the article about the Heist. It's very similar to my bobber but a little more dressed up for an extra $1000. Same engine as mine and it appears to have a smaller rear sprocket.

[Barnone]

Tried some drag bars today and they seemed nice.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0631.jpg

[JTCAndrew]

Thats exactly the way i had my bobber setup - drag bars - I even put them on my honda rebel. Gives a whole new look don't they? I like'm! 8)

[Weldangrind]

Need more pics Barnone. Can we get a side view? From what I see, they look great. 8)

[Barnone]

DF came almost empty of oil and the owner's manual said to drain and fill with10w40 motorcycle oil so that is what I did at uncrating. I also installed a magnetic drain plug (MDP) at that time.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=magnetic+drain+plug+ruckus+&_cqr=true&_nkwusc=magnetic+drain+plug+ructus&_rdc=1
Today I passed 180 miles on the bike and a sticker on the engine said to change the oil and clean the strainer (300KMs) so I just did the task a few minutes ago.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0643.jpg
I found what I usually find on the MDP at first oil change. It's real fine metal particles. Happens on almost all my vehicles.

Whether it is worth fooling with is debatable but for $15 or so ....
Usually the amount is much less at time goes on.

[Barnone]

Need more pics Barnone. Can we get a side view? From what I see, they look great. 8)
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0630.jpg
Not a very photo but the best I have at this time. That's my wife in the background painting our cottage on Sanibel Island. I rode out to give her advice. lol She is the painter, I am the carpenter and plumber.

[Weldangrind]

That's a nice machine. Those drag bars are an excellent choice.

[jape]

looking good but hat helmet sort of spoils it mate? I expected a dome with a skull painted on it and goggles!

[Barnone]

Gotta protect my pretty face from a face plant.

[Barnone]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0645.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0647.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0648.jpg

[Weldangrind]

What is the vent hose dumping into? It looks like an airbox, but you have an open element air cleaner.

[Barnone]

It's a fake oil tank.

A few photos of my ride out to the ranch.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_06492.jpg
Front gate
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_06542.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_06522.jpg
If you look closely you can see part of this years crop of baby gators in our pond.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_06572.jpg
Old shed

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_06602.jpg
Old cracker house

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_06642.jpg
Herd waiting to be fed

Forgot to mention that I had the GPS with me today and the speedometer is optimistic by about 10% but the odometer is about right.

[FastDoc]

What a beautiful place. I love the Spanish moss. Gators? 8O Not so much...

[Weldangrind]

Love the pics! What's a cracker house?

[Barnone]

Love the pics! What's a cracker house?

http://virts.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fcc/main/what%27s_a_cracker.htm

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/photos/arts/crackr/crackr.htm

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for the links. I was hoping that there was more to it than just a negative connotation. It seems to identify a particular design style, much in the way we'd reference a Shaker house.

[Barnone]

Being called a Florida Cracker is not a negative to a Florida native like my wife or long time Florida resident like me.
That house at our ranch was built in the 1930 and was originally 14 by 20 feet. A indoor kitchen and bathroom was added in the late 1950's. It got into very bad shape until I completely rebuilt it and about doubled the size in the late 1990's.

[Aboshi]

I was thinking of buying a few of these for all of my brothers and myself from scooterdepot. Did you're bike come with a actual title to register or just a MSO? I ask because I'm in NY and it is nearly impossible to register an off road vehicle with a MSO here without jumping through hoops for months, and even then it gets denied. I know all the sites say this bike is street legal but that doesn't mean a thing without a title in NY or a way to get one easily.

[Barnone]

It is suppose to come with a MSO just like any other vehicle. The MSO needs to say that the vehicle meets EPA and DOT requirements for on road use in the USA. Never heard of a new vehicle coming with a title, usually the dealer handles the paper work (for a fee) to get a title/tag for you so you never see the MSO or MCO or COO.

My three other crate vehicles came with a filled out MSO that I took to my county tag office along with a bill of sale and got a tag and title(in the mail) after paying sales tax and other fees.

That said, I am still waiting for my filled MSO and bill of sale from the place where I bought my bobber. Luckily I used Paypal and have a dispute opened with the vendor throught them and Paypal is withholding my payment to them. If I don't get the paper work soon so I can register the bobber then I going to cancel the payment and tell the vendor to come get their bike.

I had the same problem when I bought my Qlink XF200 and used Paypal to get the dealer to respond.

EDIT:
Scooterdepo has a very bad reputation according to some on this site. Turns out that the vendor I bought from is scooterdepo under an alias website. It appears that they have multiple alias web sites.

[Barnone]

WARNING

It might not be street legal in the USA.

My seller sent me a COO (MSO) and bill of sale for a different model Dong Fang and a different VIN.

I'm not about to use false documents to register my bike.

I'm giving them one more chance to straighten this mess out.

So don't order or if you have you might want to refuse delivery.

[Weldangrind]

Typical. An interesting product comes along, and there's a problem registering it.

[jape]

You would think there was some sort of redress or penalty if not outright banning against these companies that are known and persistent in what is close to fraud. I know the Internet is free for all but these guys ship in the USA, live in the USA probably and the money certainly goes through the USA. Well done for using Paypal and for Paypal backing you.

It is hopefully just a stupid glitch, the usual ignorance and non-caring attitude.

The same thing happens in Aus. Vince. Because they don't want to send the ownership papers with the crate it is a known symptom of chinabike buying, but I hope it works out well for you and soon. I would always distrust them when they don't just send it by next day priority mail with an apology as any decent business would! And surely the couriers are bonded and can carry the papers?

My tax invoice etc. took another few weeks to arrive and was wrongly completed when it did (must have been in a filing cabinet on the moon) but my local Tax Office was brilliant (never thought I would say that) they accepted an updated one faxed to them by the seller. Still looked dodgy but the counter clerk decided to be leniant as the frame numbers etc all checked out on her computer. The clerks here actually are well trained in inspection and she gave it a bloody good look over, pointed out an engine mount bolt missing (just told me to get one), showed me the paint ticks on torqued bolts, suggested I redo some wiring tabs and sent me on my way with a 'good luck and have fun'.

[Barnone]

Good news for me. Received the correct MSO and bill of sale today and rushed over to the Tax Collector's Office and got her registered and tagged here in Florida.

Only took a month from when I ordered her to get the correct paperwork.

[FastDoc]

Good news!

[Weldangrind]

Excellent! You're legal. :D

[Barnone]

Seems to be more interest in the bobber over on
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Anyone-Know-Of-Dong-Fang-DF250RTB-Bobber
so I think I will concentrate on mods over there.

[Jim]

Glad to hear you got the paperwork sorted out :)

Cool bike and nice pictures :)

[Weldangrind]

Please feel free to continue updating this thread; I'm really enjoying it. :D

[Barnone]

W&G,
OK, You asked for it.
Got my sheep skin from New Zealand

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230375137052&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

so I put it on and went for a ride. Very nice and comfortable.



http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0673.jpg



http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0674.jpg

Watching the wind surfers.



http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0678.jpg

Met a new friend and her dog



http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0679.jpg



http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0682.jpg

Felt guilty so went out to our cottage and supervised my wife's painting.

[FastDoc]

I'm speechless.

Beautiful!

[Weldangrind]

Maybe your new friend knows how to paint. :wink:

I never thought of sheepskin on a m/c seat. I've heard of others using gel pads, but sheepskin makes sense.

[Jim]

I think Harley riders like to do it. Does it not make the seat slippery? (or I guess the contact between you and the bike).

[Barnone]

I have another sheep skin seat cover but it is in NC. I've has it for over twenty years. Not slippery. Also have a gel pad, Walmart atv pad,bead rider,etc. tried all of them. Ain't no magic.

[Weldangrind]

Now that you've put a few miles on your bike, how do you like the rigid frame?

[Barnone]

Now that you've put a few miles on your bike, how do you like the rigid frame?

It's hard to tell the difference on pavement.

True off roading is a different story as you would expect. Now if it had mid controls where it would be easier to stand then the difference would be much less.

Remember back in the old days when we rode Brit bikes off road? We managed but at a slower pace.

Off topic but I love it when people say they are off roading and they are going down a dirt road.

[FastDoc]

Remember back in the old days when we rode Brit bikes off road? We managed but at a slower pace.

My buddy Jerry has a 1969 BSA 441 Victor. Very difficult to start much less ride, on road much less off road! Fun though. Backwards controls are a major nuisance.

Off topic but I love it when people say they are off roading and they are going down a dirt road.

I refer to that as 'off pavement' not off road. :roll:

[Weldangrind]

Vince, does the seat have decent springs? Do they sway in corners? That's the biggest complaint I've heard about sprung seats on rigid frames.

To me, off road is a single track through the bush. Love it.

[Barnone]

Vince, does the seat have decent springs? Do they sway in corners? That's the biggest complaint I've heard about sprung seats on rigid frames.
To me, off road is a single track through the bush. Love it.
W&G,
Sounds like a man talking himself into getting a new bike.

I did have to adjust the preload on the seat for my 200lbs. :) But I have not noticed any sway in the seat on the bobber or on my CT70 clone which also has a sprung seat. The front pivot seems to be stout enough.

[jape]

Off road definitions? :lol:

Depends on your Shire/County and their road maintenance more than any label it may have! Our many miles of dirt/gravel roads here are constantly potholed, corrugated and loose. That is off-road enough for me. get the wrong speed on corrugations and you are in serious trouble, hit the foot-deep potholes at ANY speed and you are in bad trouble, catch the loose gravel, clear dust on the bend and you are GONE. And that is on a D/S bike not a hardtail.

Our 'single track' is usually smoother and easier overall than any other than the primary roads, of course it has the places with deep ruts and water-crossings even tree roots and boulders but it doesn't see the traffic so is better most of the year. And off ALL tracks, 'under the trees', if you use common-sense and know how to hop some logs and ride slow, is the smoothest of all - even better than tarmac and much softer when you fall off!

[Weldangrind]

Sounds like a man talking himself into getting a new bike.

I'd love to build one (and I have quite a bit of raw material already), but it will have to wait awhile. Until then, I'll steal your experience.

[Barnone]

Found a set of bar end mirrors in my junk box and put them on today.
I think I like the ones that I have on my Q better but will run these for a while to see how they work out.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/DFbar1.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/DFbar2.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/DFbar3.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/DFbar4.jpg

[JTCAndrew]

I just bought the same exact ones for my "Q" thats toom funny.....Haven't put them on yet though. I was hoping I maybe be able to mount them directly on the bars but I do NOT think they will open up enough to do it that way. Hmmmmm Will have to check into this week.

Andrew :?:

[Barnone]

Andrew,
If they are the same as mine then there is no way that they will fit over the bars, Besides they would be so inboard that all you would see would be your body.

[Barnone]

Warning:
The state of New Jersey refused to register this bike for some unknown reason and the seller is taking the bike back and refunding the purchase price.

The bike is is the database of EPA/DOT approved bikes. Weird.

[FastDoc]

The DMV/DOL has a very narrow window of thinking ability :? . Not unlike a chimpanzee with a lock, they can figure somethings out but are unable to work outside of what they do everyday. Sometimes going to a different DMV/DOL will work... :roll:

[Weldangrind]

Warning:
The state of New Jersey refused to register this bike for some unknown reason and the seller is taking the bike back and refunding the purchase price.

The bike is is the database of EPA/DOT approved bikes. Weird.

Was this a member at MCM?

[gardo]

yes it was me. Looks like some titling issues in NJ the company has started a return for me and I want to send the bike back. Spent over an hour on hold so i could set up the return date and ship this damned machine back.

Its a shame to its a nice bike

[Weldangrind]

Welcome!

That is a shame. Like Doc said, is there a chance that a more sympathetic DMV could be the answer?

[Barnone]

I just don't understand how a bike can be registered in one state and not another although I have heard this has happened in the past.
This is the United States of America, right?
It does meets federal standards.

[jape]

It does meets federal standards.


Well, at least the ZMC does... :wink:

[katoranger]

NJ is one of those states that has it in for China bikes.

[culcune]

As much as I think that Arizona is backwards in pretty much all areas of socio-economic ways of life, we can still get most anything with a minimum of street equipment street registered.

I now understand why the anal retentive US states are difficult to register even bikes that are on the DOT list if the company does not renew the paperwork that is required :? I don't agree with it or like it for those living under those conditions, but I understand...

[gardo]

the bike went back last night and i got a call from Sunny Side Sports that they received confirmation its been shipped and I should have my full refund+shipping credited back by next Friday.

I did meet with the guys from P.I.T Motors LTD and see the CCW Heist and put a down payment on it

[gardo]

NJ is one of those states that has it in for China bikes.

There are quite a few chinabikes on the registry

[katoranger]

A few years ago alot of members had difficulty registering in NJ. They may have eased up and got more bikes listed now.

[Barnone]

I've been working with the guy I bought my bobber from to clean up the specs on the DF on his site and am almost done. He said he was just using the specs supplied by the manufacturer but we know that is not wise.

http://www.extremescooters.biz/250cc-street-legal-bobber-chopper.aspx

Still need to get him to understand the difference between model number and engine size in the specs.
Ok to call it a DF2500RTB but not ok to call it a 250cc bobber.

I tried with the CCW guys but they blew me off.

[gardo]

I've been working with the guy I bought my bobber from to clean up the specs on the DF on his site and am almost done. He said he was just using the specs supplied by the manufacturer but we know that is not wise.

http://www.extremescooters.biz/250cc-street-legal-bobber-chopper.aspx

Still need to get him to understand the difference between model number and engine size in the specs.
Ok to call it a DF2500RTB but not ok to call it a 250cc bobber.

I tried with the CCW guys but they blew me off.

Great stuff Barnone

[Barnone]

Aboshi got his Dang Fong bobber today and it is sweet.
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Dong-Fang-DF-250-RTB-Bobber-Information/page35

I am pissed because I ordered the flat black model like he just got but mine came as a gloss black model.

[Barnone]

Took a ride on the Dong Fang out to Sanibel Island to do a little work on our cottage.
Beautiful day.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0734.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0731.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0730.jpg

[FastDoc]

I lov it!

Beter check your seat for sand fleas! 8)

[Weldangrind]

That's a beautiful machine (I know, I've said that before :D ). Is that stripe on the tank new?

[Barnone]

FastDoc,
No sand fleas in the sheepskin that I can feel. I moved the sheep skin over to the scooter today. I have a gel pad to try on the bobber.

W&G,
Stripe is stock.

Any New Englanders,
Cumberland County Choppers 314 Warren Avenue Portland, Maine 04103
has four DF250RTB bobbers in stock.

http://www.jollyjohn.com/scooters.ph...ID=188&make=87

[Barnone]

If you look at the DFs at Cumberland County Choppers they all have the blacked out paint scheme on the headlight,turn signals, etc.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/188_M128_1.jpg

Flat black model in front, then silver, and gloss black
I like that paint scheme better than mine with the chrome because it looks more old school.

[Weldangrind]

I'm diggin' the flat black. I'd like to see that front fender with a small peak on it, like 1/2" angle iron curved to match the fender and then welded on.

[Barnone]

Took a ride out to Captiva Island.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0742.jpg
Beach at Blind Pass

[Weldangrind]

To paraphrase Doc, who names these bikes? It occurred to me that both "dong" and "fang" have connotations in English. When you put them together, it's almost rude. :lol:

I hereby propose that Barnone's bike is simply referred to as Fang.

Looks like it was a nice day for a ride. No lovely young ladies walking dogs today?

[Barnone]

W&G,
I near as I can find Dong Fang means "The East" .

Slim pickings for lovely young ladies walking their dog on Sanibel and Captiva Islands today. I'll try Fort Myers Beach (where the younger crowd hangs out) tomorrow.

[Weldangrind]

No offence intended Vince; I'd buy one of those bikes in a minute if I could.

[Barnone]

No offence intended Vince; I'd buy one of those bikes in a minute if I could.
No offense taken.

[Barnone]

Added some saddle bags for hard tails from Ebay for a little storage.
Rigid and Softail Brown Leather Right Solo Saddlebag
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110585843286&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rigid-and-Softail-Brown-Leather-Right-Solo-Saddlebag-/110585841680?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19bf6e0810

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0764.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0765.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0762.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0766.jpg

[Weldangrind]

Wow, those bags really work with the rear frame angles. Nice find. 8)

[JTCAndrew]

Nice bags Vince - I agree they go with your DF Great. I wanted to get some Black and white pics of my Bobber that I built, but sold it before I got the chance - :( That really makes it look old school. Good job

[Barnone]

Andrew,
You can turn your color photos into back and white with photobucket edit retro.

[Barnone]

Great news on a feature of the Dong Fang that I was unaware even though I have owned if for months. It has sealed rims so there are no tubes in the tires. That is a big deal to me for safety and ease of repair of a flat with just plugs for a temporary fix. Very few bikes have this feature. I can only think of some very high end BMW and Moto Guzzi models that have tubeless spoke wheels.

A guy on mychinamoto
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Dong-Fang-DF-250-RTB-Bobber-Information&p=26665#post26665
posted this video that point out the features of the DF.
Video at
http://www.scooterdepot.us/250cc-Custom-Bobber-Motorcycles-Street-Legal-Bikes-p-731.html

[Weldangrind]

I wonder how that's done; do you think they apply a coating over the spokes to seal the rim? O-rings, maybe? Is it easy to adjust the spokes?

I didn't realize that the carb has an accelerator pump. That must make for very easy starts.

[Barnone]

W&G,
Don't know how they seal the spokes but will find out one day when I need a new tire. Haven't had to adjust a spoke but they appear to be regular nipples.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0776.jpg
Tubeless valve stem and regular nipples.

It is a pumper carb, a PZ30.

[Barnone]

Chad who I bought my Dong Fang from at
http://www.extremescooters.biz/250cc...r-chopper.aspx
sent me a new replacement tank for my bike since it had a slight leak. I repaired the leak but didn't know if the weld would hold so I asked for a tank under warranty and it arrived today.
Nice to be able to report a positive experience on an internet seller. I recommend him as a supplier of the bobber if you want one in the crate.

[Weldangrind]

Excellent. Now you have a spare tank if needed.

[Barnone]

Here in the sticks of North Carolina we don't have garbage pickup so it was time for a run to the dump.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0799.jpg
So I hooked up the trailer to the bobber.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0797.jpg
Loaded it up.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0798.jpg
And off I went to the dump. :D

[Barnone]

On the Dragon
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/img_9206.jpg

And at the Cheoah Dam (Fugitive Movie)
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0804.jpg

[Weldangrind]

Great action shot! It looks like ground clearance isn't a problem on your bike. What is your riding partner riding? It looks like it might be a Triumph or maybe a RE.

[Barnone]

W&G,
Thanks. My buddy was riding a 2000 Kawasaki W650. I had a 2000 and a 2001 in the past.
I'm looking for a nice unaltered 2001. My buddie's has about $2000 worth of mods done by the previous owner. He paid $4000 for it. He has about 50 motorcycles including 9 old Triumphs. One of the Triumphs he bought new in 1968.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0806.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0805.jpg

[Weldangrind]

My buddy was riding a 2000 Kawasaki W650.

I had to look that one up; that's a new one on me. Nice machine! Do you struggle to keep up with him on your bobber? I presume not, because your bike looks to be really light.

[Barnone]

No struggle to keep up because he was behind.

[Barnone]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0814.jpg
Another dump run or how to make an adventure of taking the garbage out.

[ben2go]

I first saw one of these bikes for sale on the net back in 07 or 08.The first thing I wanted to do was shove a GS500 engine in it.I have four GS500 bikes and two are wrecked.I bought them to either restore or use as parts bikes.Both have good engines.If I ever find one cheap,it's gettin chopped.

[Barnone]

She is still doing fine with 2500 miles on her.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0865.jpg
Tried a new seat just fooling around.

Original battery did not last long and the replacement wasn't much better so I went with one of these.
http://www.batterystuff.com/powersports-batteries/LFX09A2-BS12.html
Dinky little thing and expensive but suppose to be the cat's meow.

[Weldangrind]

So says Spud, IIRC. I think he tried that ype of battery as well. I'm trying a cheap gel cell in an old Suzuki two-stroke, but it doesn't draw much power.

That seat looks really good. Are you abandoning the sheepskin cover?

[Barnone]

W&G,
Not abandoning the sheep skin. It's been cool enough here in Florida.
Thinking about building a side car for the bobber.
Just fooling around.
I did order a new tractor with a loader to repair the holes that the bulls dug out at the ranch.

[Weldangrind]

Would the sidecar act like a trailer, or would you actually carry a person in it?

What type of tractor did you order? We're gonna need pics. :D

[Barnone]

I'm trading in my John Deere 4100 on a new Kubota BX2660 with a loader and a 60" belly mower. I have one almost the same but without the loader at our place in North Carolina.
I need the loader since I leased our ranch here in Florida to a guy with three big bulls who were always fighting and digging big holes in the pastures. The bulls are now gone along his cows so I will be repairing the holes. Live and learn. :roll:

[Weldangrind]

Looks like a fun toy. :D

I must admit, I have some farming experience, but other than cattle drives, no ranching experience. Exactly how do bulls dig holes that require a loader?

[Barnone]

Funny you should mention cattle drives since we had a round up today. 58 head went to hamburger heaven.

The bulls dig holes to show the other bulls that they are a bad nofo. I'm going to have the pond dug out and use the spoil to fill the holes.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x85/Skeekah/IMG_0992.jpg
My new Kubota BX2660 on the way to the ranch to do some work.

[dsrt4]

Anyway of getting the pictures back up here?

[dsrt4]

guess not :(

[dsrt4]

Talked to Barnone today, he Says he is just fine but sold all his China bikes so he no longer visit the Chinese bike forums and has deleted all the photos he had of them.

:( Bummer

[FastDoc]

So he even took the pictures of his toys and left?! :cry:

[dsrt4]

That's pretty much what I got from the short and to the point pm I got from him on advrider. :(

[MICRider]

That's the only bad thing about having independently hosted pics, when the owner decides to delete the pictures from their hosting account all the pic's disappear from the threads. It's too bad really as it often pretty much destroys the thread when the pics are gone.

[dsrt4]

Agreed.....

[Weldangrind]

Amazing that all happened in a month. Going to miss Barnone hanging around here, and I'm going to miss his DF bobber.

[dsrt4]

What ended up happening anyway?

[Weldangrind]

I have no idea.

[Barnone]

Well I am back, just can't keep away.
Sold my China bikes several years ago to go off on another tangent.

Bought another Dong Fang DF250RTB-A, this time a 2012 which is similar to the other one but the tank issue is fixed along with other improvements. Still needs more motor.
I've had my Ural sidecar rig for about a year and so far a lot of fun.
On my third W650 that hopefully I will keep,.

[FastDoc]

Awesome looking collection and welcome back!

There is an article in Ride Apart.com this week on riding the Ural sidehack. Some great pictures in there.

I also encourage you to check out Sam's recent threads on a bad accident he had with his Ural. Perhaps there is some information there that may help your safety.

Is that Dong Fang spa a Photoshop or did you really chance upon such a place?

[FastDoc]

Regarding the W650 I love it.

Lately I have had a terrible desire for the new Enfields.

[Barnone]

Awesome looking collection and welcome back!

There is an article in Ride Apart.com this week on riding the Ural sidehack. Some great pictures in there.

I also encourage you to check out Sam's recent threads on a bad accident he had with his Ural. Perhaps there is some information there that may help your safety.

Is that Dong Fang spa a Photoshop or did you really chance upon such a place?
FastDoc,
Thanks for welcome back.
The Dong Fang Spa is real and located in Fort Myers,FL where I spend the winter.
I tried to explain that the bike was called Dong Fang but all she could say in English was "you want massage". I passed on the offer.

I'll look for the Ural accident thread.

Yep, I am always looking at the RE but luckily the dealer here went out of business.

That is Jim Tom Hetrick of the Moonshiner series on the Discovery channel on my DF with my trailer. That is a still he made and his liquor scooter (DUI) in the background.

[Weldangrind]

Awesome looking collection and welcome back!

X2! What was the problem with the original tank?

I'd love to get ahold of a W650.

[Barnone]

X2! What was the problem with the original tank?

I'd love to get ahold of a W650.

The tank on my first DF (a 2010 model) was prone to leaking where the hold down studs were tack welded underneath the tank. I got a new tank under warranty and reinforced the mountings before putting gas in it. That photo with the beautiful young lady in it is the 2010 model DF. Maybe tomorrow I will take a ride to the beach and try and find her or a substitute.


My new DF (a 2012 model) has a much better designed tank and mounting system. That is it in the second photo in front of Hunting Boy's out side of Robbinsville,NC.

[Weldangrind]

Definitely a nicer looking tank; more Sportster-like.

Thanks for bringing the lovely young lady back to the surface. :D

[culcune]

Those of us who belong to here and mychinamoto have been following your exploits for a few months. I find the thread so out of place on mychinamoto where the strong majority of members are ex-patriates of North America and Europe
living and working in China, or more recently, quite a few British riders blogging about the numerous bikes they have available in the UK. Funnier still, it has the most pages and most views of any thread! And that is pretty much one of the only threads where you see US based riders, LOL.

[culcune]

That is Jim Tom Hetrick of the Moonshiner series on the Discovery channel on my DF with my trailer. That is a still he made and his liquor scooter (DUI) in the background.

He should look into Ice Bear Z50 and CT 70 clones. They have a 110cc Z50 clone with a side car, stock. He could make home deliveries with the side car rig, LOLA

[Barnone]

He should look into Ice Bear Z50 and CT 70 clones. They have a 110cc Z50 clone with a side car, stock. He could make home deliveries with the side car rig, LOLA
Jim Tom told me he signed a deal with a legal moonshine distillery in Gatlinburg TN to use his name for $300,000 so he will be in the chips.

http://www.grahamstar.com/articles/2013/12/03/news/doc528f83fb36c69211328860.txt

Jim Tom on one of his liquor scooters hauling one of the local honeys.

[Weldangrind]

Legal moonshine has made it all the way to BC, but it's only 100 proof. It even comes in a Mason jar. http://www.bcliquorstores.com/product/355123

[Barnone]

Regarding the W650 I love it.

Lately I have had a terrible desire for the new Enfields.
Like this one? http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/models/classic-GT.html

More info at http://royalenfield.com/continentalgt/

[FastDoc]

Yup, that's the one!

[Barnone]

Still enjoying my 2012 DF with no issues in 1900 miles.
Modified a bicycle trailer by adding pit bike wheels for her to haul stuff.
The MGA coupe is being restore in a enclosed trailer at a storage yard here in FL. (not by me)

[Weldangrind]

That's a nice little trailer. Do you find that it vibrates with the knobby tires?

[Barnone]

That's a nice little trailer. Do you find that it vibrates with the knobby tires?
Nope and I have them aired up to 36 PSI. It pulls so easy that I can't feel it even on my DF.
I spread the outer rail on the Aosom Wanderer cargo trailer so I could use the pit bike wheels and also had to drill the axle holes larger.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/111159547160?lpid=82

[Barnone]

Looks like someone stuffed a Iron Head in a stretched Dong Fang DF250RT-B.

[Weldangrind]

It sure looks convincing.

[Barnone]

culcume asked this question over on
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Dong-Fang-DF-250-RTB-Bobber-Information&p=69625#post69625

"Sorry to hijack and/or get off topic, but 501 pages! Who knew among the majority of all the expats living and working in China, and all the Europeans from various countries, seemingly mainly the UK, this thread about a bobber with a cult-following would be the longest thread with the most views ...and not on Chinariders.net which is North American based, while this bike seems to only be available in the US!? Ok, back to normal..."

Comments?

[Weldangrind]

That is interesting. For whatever reason, only a handful of China bobber owners have visited this site, and this is one of the few threads on that type of bike.

It is my observation that most of the folks who join this forum are DS riders, so perhaps that plays into it. As well, we seem to have a "bigger is better" mentality in North America, when it comes to street bikes of any description. I don't get that attitude, and I really enjoy small engined bikes.

It surprises me to learn that the Dong Fang bobber isn't available in Asia, per Culcune's comments.

[SpudRider]

looks sweet barnone! Keep us posted on your likes and dislikes!

Andrew, where have you been? It's great to hear from you! :) Do you still own the QLink? Please start a new thread, and let us know what you have been doing lately! :tup:

[culcune]

That is interesting. For whatever reason, only a handful of China bobber owners have visited this site, and this is one of the few threads on that type of bike.

It is my observation that most of the folks who join this forum are DS riders, so perhaps that plays into it. As well, we seem to have a "bigger is better" mentality in North America, when it comes to street bikes of any description. I don't get that attitude, and I really enjoy small engined bikes.

It surprises me to learn that the Dong Fang bobber isn't available in Asia, per Culcune's comments.

I am not sure where the DF bobber is available, but I don't think it is available anywhere else but N. America. The CCW bikes are available worldwide, which might be part of it, but then again, I have noticed in the last few years, at least in China itself, many, many bikes are no longer legal due to their incredible pollution as bikes have been outlawed in many urban areas.

The point of my comment was how many people have joined seemingly just for the DF thread, and mychinamoto.com is an eclectic gathering of people from all corners of the world who either own Chinese bikes, or those in China who loathe Chinese bikes :) But, in spite of the worldwide attention the site gets the absolutely longest thread happens to be the one started by barnone; and that is the only predominantly N. American thread out of the site. I just find it cool, and interesting that it has gone 501 pages!

As far as this site, there is a small hardcore group of us which I feel much more at home on; mainly because we can relate to each other's bikes. But, even when we get people outside of N America, I still like the feel here better overall, the exception being the DF thread on mychinamoto (not better than here but 'equal') I do agree with Weld because we seem more interested in dual-sports here overall, but do find it interesting that the DF thread didn't take off like mychinamoto.

[Barnone]

I had a sputtering problem with my DF at about 4K RPM. Turns out that I left out the spring clip that holds the needle down the last time I was monkeying with the carb. She running just fine now.

[Weldangrind]

Not sure i would have thought of that.

[Barnone]

I was sure the problem was something I caused when I was trying to lean the engine out to get rid of the black on the spark plug.

As someone recently mentioned one advantage of the China bikes is inexpensive parts. My next step was going to be replacing the entire carb with this Keihin (?) PZ30 pumper for $35.99 shipped.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181230460483?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

[Weldangrind]

A pumper sure can make it easy to start. I had a Keihin pumper on my old '81 XL250S, and it only required one lazy kick from cold. Click the pic.


http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t109/Weldangrind/XL250S/th_MOV06053.jpg (http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t109/Weldangrind/XL250S/MOV06053.mp4)

[Barnone]

The DF comes with a pumper Deni PZ30 which I think is a clone of the Keihin.

[culcune]

From your photo on mychinamoto of the Keihin carb from ebay, it looks just like the Sheng Way PZ30 that is on my TMEC 200, as well.

[Barnone]

From your photo on mychinamoto of the Keihin carb from ebay, it looks just like the Sheng Way PZ30 that is on my TMEC 200, as well.
I wonder how many different Chinese clones there are of the Keihin PZs? It must be a good design. The spare that I bought off Ebay has Keihin Japan on it.

[Barnone]

Making a run to the dump and recycling center.
Great riding here in the mountains of Western North Carolina.

[Weldangrind]

I like your trunk. Where did you find it?

[Barnone]

Not sure where I got it as I have had it a long time on different bikes.
One like it here
http://www.amazon.com/Emgo-72-32440-Travel-Trunk/dp/B000GVD0VE/ref=sr_1_3?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1403894459&sr=1-3&keywords=top+box+motorcycle

[Weldangrind]

Ok, it's much like the trunks I have. It looked bigger in your pic. Thanks for the link.

[Barnone]

It is a smaller one that seems more in place on the DF but will still hold my helmet at a stop.
I've got some bar end turn signals that I might install and then I can fit some ammo cans that I also have at hand. Then I can carry more stuff.

[Barnone]

Painted my DF flat black and redid the rear rack.
She is running good.

Took a photographer for a ride on the Dragon in my Ural so she could take some travel photos for the Our State magazine.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454662&page=2064

[Weldangrind]

Vince, that flat black looks menacing! Nice job of it. How do you deal with fuel on a flat painted tank? Is it 2K, single stage or rattle can? If it's rattle can, what did you use?

I'd sure like to get ahold of that counterbalanced motor.

[Barnone]

Vince, that flat black looks menacing! Nice job of it. How do you deal with fuel on a flat painted tank? Is it 2K, single stage or rattle can? If it's rattle can, what did you use?

I'd sure like to get ahold of that counterbalanced motor.
Thanks.
It is a rattle can engine paint that I had in the paint locker.
From
http://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-248903-Automotive-12-Ounce-Degree/dp/B003CT4AKC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1407613899&sr=8-2&keywords=black+engine+paint
Fuel spill, just respray.
I gonna spray it with a satin black eventually.

On the way to the garbage dump and then to the gym.

[Weldangrind]

I think you might have shown us before, but may we see a close-up pic of the hitch?

[Barnone]

Weld,
I'll have to take a photo of the mount on my DF but here is the site where I bought the trailer eight years ago. Photos of the mount there and attached.

It has been use on about five different of my motorcycles/scooters. Now has the pit bike wheels but I never had a failure with the BMX bicycle tires.
Real handy for hauling but use at your own risk. Might poke your eye out.
The canvas on the trailer is getting a little ragged but still going good.

http://www.aosom.com/d-12/Aosom-Large-Bike-Bicycle-Cargo-Trailer-Red.html

[Barnone]

Just repainted the DF with Satin Canyon Black.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BWOS8K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
A motorcycle painter suggested satin black because he says it looks like an old finish which is the look I am after.
I'll post some photos later.

[Barnone]

Trying a Satin Black paint job plus I installed an oil cooler that seems to be working.
The radiator gets hot and it took an extra 200 cc of oil for the lines and the cooler.

[Weldangrind]

I use either satin black or low-gloss black heat paint on exhaust headers. I love the look.

Thanks for posting about the cooler. I wondered how much extra oil they would hold. Are you considering a fan for it?

[Barnone]

No fan, not even sure the oil cooler is necessary. Might not leave it on.

[Weldangrind]

You indicated that it's getting hot, so it strikes me as a benefit. It's exchanging engine heat for lower temps, so that has to be a good thing. I'd love to plumb a gauge into it.

[Weldangrind]

Now that I think about it, Spud installed a cooler on his XR650L, and you can see pics in posts #95 and #102: Oil Cooler Installation (http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=10753)

[Barnone]

You indicated that it's getting hot, so it strikes me as a benefit. It's exchanging engine heat for lower temps, so that has to be a good thing. I'd love to plumb a gauge into it.
I've ordered a oil temp gauge that I hope I can install in the port in the stock and cooler valve cover so I can test the cooler.

Any ideas?

I have a CHT gauge installed which I hope to also use to test. Need to make some runs with stock valve cover and immediately make the same runs with the cooler installed.

[Barnone]

Now that I think about it, Spud installed a cooler on his XR650L, and you can see pics in posts #95 and #102: Oil Cooler Installation (http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=10753)
Thanks for the link. Good read. I'll see about a TTO water temp gauge.

[Weldangrind]

I've been thinking the same thing. Do you have a link to the oil temp gauge you ordered? I'd like to get an idea of average baseline oil temp before I install a cooler. My next step is to remove the plug on the valve cover and measure the thread, so I can work with it.

[Weldangrind]

On another note, I noticed that your new cover doesn't have the bypass valve. That doesn't matter where you live, but I might like to switch the cooler off in colder weather. I think I'll order one with the valve.

[Barnone]

I've been thinking the same thing. Do you have a link to the oil temp gauge you ordered? I'd like to get an idea of average baseline oil temp before I install a cooler. My next step is to remove the plug on the valve cover and measure the thread, so I can work with it.
I'm still looking for an oil temp gauge. The one I ordered won't work without some mods. I would like a gauge that will work with that port so I can do a before and after.

[Barnone]

On another note, I noticed that your new cover doesn't have the bypass valve. That doesn't matter where you live, but I might like to switch the cooler off in colder weather. I think I'll order one with the valve.
How about just covering the radiator in cold weather? What bike do you have with the Honda CG125 clone engine?

[Barnone]

My next step is to remove the plug on the valve cover and measure the thread, so I can work with it.
I believe that is a Bolt M6×12 according to this.
http://www.df-motor.com/MLC/Parts%20Menu-DF250RTB-B(2014).pdf

[Weldangrind]

How about just covering the radiator in cold weather? What bike do you have with the Honda CG125 clone engine?

That's workable, but I'd rather have the valve, since it's so inexpensive. Flip the lever, ride on.

I have a few CG motors around. I'm currently tooling around on Lifanda, my 200cc Lifan dual sport. I have the same motor in my quad. Son of Weldangrind has a 230cc in his '83 XR200R, but I'm gonna confiscate that motor for my Lifan; he'll get a genuine Honda motor in exchange.

I have a CG200 and a CG230 on the floor, and I have a CG250 (unknown actual displacement at this time) that is liquid cooled, also on the floor. Haven't decided what I'll do with that one yet. It might be fun to build a liquid cooled adventure bike, but I'm not sure I want to deal with rads. I might stick it in my quad.

[Weldangrind]

I believe that is a Bolt M6×12 according to this.
http://www.df-motor.com/MLC/Parts%20Menu-DF250RTB-B(2014).pdf

Thanks for letting me know. I might buy some loner bolts in that thread size, drill them out and adapt them to NPT for gauge use. Another option is to adapt to compression fittings for use with an old-school pressure gauge that uses tubing. It would need to be a very low pressure gauge, since I doubt that these bikes make more than a few psi.

[Weldangrind]

What bike do you have with the Honda CG125 clone engine?

If you're interested, you can read about my adventures here: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=12512

[Barnone]

If you're interested, you can read about my adventures here: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=12512
Neat. Any performance tips on the 167fmm?

[Weldangrind]

I haven't tried to port and polish or anything like that yet, but I will.

So far, I've installed a pod filter, a free-flowing exhaust, a 112.5 main jet and a 27.5 slow jet in a Mikuni. It runs really well up to 65mph, where it tops out. I'm likely to swap in the 230 I have and port and polish at that time.

There's only so much we can do to a pushrod motor that has only one cam lobe, but I want to free it up as much as I can. I'm resisting the urge to use a no-rev-limit CDI, because I don't want to kill it.

[Barnone]

I just put in a "racing" CDI which supposedly doesn't have rev limiter and it does seem to run better.

[Weldangrind]

Is it harder to start? That's often the by-product of an advanced ignition curve.

[Barnone]

Is it harder to start? That's often the by-product of an advanced ignition curve.
Not harder to start. I bought it from Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250908061794?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Haven tried the coil that came with it yet as wanted to change one thing at a time.

[Weldangrind]

I'm with you on that. I like to quantify changes, one at a time.

When it's convenient, do you mind to measure the length and width of that CDI for me?

[Barnone]

I'm with you on that. I like to quantify changes, one at a time.

When it's convenient, do you mind to measure the length and width of that CDI for me?
I'd be glad to measure the CDI but they are no longer available from that guy on Ebay.

[Weldangrind]

Do you have your original CDI? If you have a moment to measure that, it will give me the info I need.

[Barnone]

Approximate 2" wide, 3 3/4" long, 1" thick, electrical connectors 3/4" tall.

[Weldangrind]

You're a man of many tape measures.

Thanks for taking the time to measure the CDI; I spotted in the eBay ad that the racing CDI was a DC version, and they are a different size that AC CDI's. I suspect that my CDI is DC, and I can now compare the measurements.

[Barnone]

Weld,
Can't have too many tape measures, flashlights, and screw drivers.

[Barnone]

Still enjoying riding my DF here in the mountains of Western North Carolina.

[Adjuster]

Very cool. Whats in the trailer is that a camping setup?

Is that the same bike that Cleveland Cycleworks is selling as the Tha Heist?

http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/heist-images/o01lyhtdkxhdofb0k1fp26e6qegxev


/

[Barnone]

Garbage in the trailer. Load for the dump.
Tow trailer behind all my bikes.
Similar to the Heist.
Super long thread here.Start from the back.
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Dong-Fang-DF-250-RTB-Bobber-Information

[Weldangrind]

When did you get the Ural, Vince? How do you like it?

[Barnone]

I sold my 2012 Ural Yamal last year and I've had the 2015 cT for six months.
It's my favorite ride.

[Weldangrind]

That's a cool machine!

[Barnone]

Still enjoying my DF250RTB here in the mountains of Western North Carolina.
Put some ammo cans on her today.

[Adjuster]

Very cool!


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[Weldangrind]

That's a neat look. I like the ammo cans.

[Barnone]

Thanks.
My previous saddlebag arrangement. I'll miss the top box.
Hauling some off road diesel for my tractor. The trailer canvas is getting a little ragged after about eight years of use.

[Weldangrind]

Vince, please show us a close-up of how your trailer connects to your bike frame.

[Barnone]

Similar trailer on Ebay. I used the bicycle wheels for many years. Recently converted to pit bike wheels off Ebay.
Pulled the trailer behind my long gone SYM HD200, XT225, W650,and my monkey bikes and Dong Fang.
Hitch is bolted to shock mount usually. Had to do a little more rigging for the monkey hack.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261140688442?lpid=82

[Adjuster]

Very cool stuff!



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[Weldangrind]

Thanks Vince. I figured that was the hitch style.

[Barnone]

Hitch on DF250RTB

[culcune]

I forgot you had this bike! LOL You seem to be on your Z50 and CT70 clones so much...

[Barnone]

I ride them all. Great riding on and off pavement here in the mountains. Today my wife and I are going over the mountains to Tellico Plains on the old gravel road and will return on the Cherohala Skyway. We will take the Ural.

[Weldangrind]

My wife and I recently camped at a State park in WA, and there was a big Ural meet there. Very cool.

One dude had a high dollar Ural with everything other than the tins powder coated black from the factory. It also had a Marzocchi front end.

[Barnone]

Weld,
Never heard of a Marzocchi front end on a Ural. Have a photo of it?
Thanks

[Weldangrind]

I do have a pic, but it's poor. It was starting to get dark, and my phone doesn't do well in dim light.

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[Weldangrind]

I'm pretty sure that's a full SS exhaust, from the header back.

[Barnone]

Weld,
Thanks. That is a 2013 or older Retro. Stock front forks.
All the newer Urals come with a full SS exhaust.

[Barnone]

A little wet on the Dragon.

[Weldangrind]

What's it like to corner with forward controls? I've never tried one.

[Barnone]

What's it like to corner with forward controls? I've never tried one.
Not too bad on the cornering but I prefer mid controls because it is nice to be able to stand up for bumps,etc.
Doesn't bother me enough to change them.

[culcune]

I recognize that parking lot from the hack videos! :)

[Barnone]

That parking lot is at Deal's Gap Resort which is at the start of the Dragon. They are closing up the lot and setting it up for fiddies races tonight.
https://www.facebook.com/Fiddies4Life

I gonna miss the races as we are still baby sitting my grandson in VA.
Taking him swimming again today. He loves it.

[Weldangrind]

What a cute little guy!

[Barnone]

Thanks. He is a lot of fun.

[culcune]

You know you want to race one of your minis!

[Barnone]

I don't think so. They ride too fast for me.

[Barnone]

Still enjoying riding my DF here in the mountains.
Be heading to Florida soon as it is starting to get too cold for this boy.

[Weldangrind]

How many miles on the DF now? Is this your first or second DF?

[Barnone]

Only 4000 miles on my second DF. Been leaving it in WNC but think I will take it to FL along with the Ural this winter. Sold my W650 so need a two wheel bike in FL.
I was gonna buy a another DF but they are sold out with none on the way.
It's a fun ride within it's limitations. Been tell the lookers that it is a 1918 Indian. Most don't know the difference.

[Weldangrind]

Been tell the lookers that it is a 1918 Indian. Most don't know the difference.

:lmao:

I'd love to take a W650 for a spin. I've never seen one up close.

[Barnone]

A DF on the Dragon. Anybody here?

[Barnone]

My DF at Deal's Gap several days ago. Just did a run to the recycling center with a load in the trailer.

[2LZ]

I so wish those were legal here..... The trailer hook up is cool!

[Weldangrind]

It's tempting to chop up a China bike and build one. Any idea what is in the roll on the rear frame section? It seems too big to be a tool roll and too small for a tent. A yoga mat, maybe?

[BlackBike]

It's tempting to chop up a China bike and build one. Any idea what is in the roll on the rear frame section? It seems too big to be a tool roll and too small for a tent. A yoga mat, maybe?

Don't know about yoga mats, good one, but gives me an idea about my shotgun for dove season. Let me check, back in a minute. :D

[BlackBike]

6295
It's plausible .
my God it's hard to post photos from my 4.8 inch phone

[Weldangrind]

That's a pretty cool look.

[2LZ]

You know what would finish off the look of that DF Bobber....is a small springer front end. I wonder if one from an old Schwinn Stingray would work?

[dpl096]

Have gun - will moto !

[MDStroup]

A DF on the Dragon. Anybody here?

I have always loved the look of these. Are you still able to get them? It would be fun just to have to work on and ride to college on nice days.

Does anyone know what bag that is he has on the frame?

[MDStroup]

http://www.apscusa.com/New-DF-250-RTR-Street-Motorcycle-_p_666.html

Well it looks like the Dong fang motorcycles are back, just updated.

[Barnone]

You know what would finish off the look of that DF Bobber....is a small springer front end. I wonder if one from an old Schwinn Stingray would work?
You can buy one with the springer front end here.
http://www.saferwholesale.com/250cc-Street-Legal-Bobber-Chopper-Motorcycle-DF2-p/dfm-df250rta.htm

[Barnone]

I have always loved the look of these. Are you still able to get them? It would be fun just to have to work on and ride to college on nice days.

Does anyone know what bag that is he has on the frame?
You can get one like mine at
http://www.saferwholesale.com/250cc-Bobber-Chopper-Street-Legal-Motorcycle-p/dfm-df250rtb.htm

i rode mine to the Dragon (US 129) today and she is running just fine.

[Barnone]

http://www.apscusa.com/New-DF-250-RTR-Street-Motorcycle-_p_666.html

Well it looks like the Dong fang motorcycles are back, just updated.
Nice and a good price.
Just make sure it can be registered in your state.

[Weldangrind]

I like that springer version!

[MDStroup]

Nice and a good price.
Just make sure it can be registered in your state.

I was thinking about it, but i like the looks of the original way batter. The front tire on the new version is way to small.

How can i find out if it can be registered in my state?

[MDStroup]

What is the recommended sprockets and carb for the Dong Fang bobbers?

And with that sprocket and carb combo, about how fast can one go?

[Weldangrind]

test

I think you passed.

[Barnone]

MDStroup,
Get a VIN number from the vendor and take it to your DMV to check if can be registered in your state. Use to be a no for PA,NJ, and others. There is always the Vermont way. http://www.motorecyclenow.com/title-service.html

The carb on the latest DF250RTB is jetted just fine, no change necessary. The bike as delivered is geared way too low. No room to increase the size of the front sprocket so you need to get a smaller one for the rear. Stock is 45 tooth, I went with a 35 tooth from JT sprockets.
Max speed is about 55 MPH GPS. Biggest complaint about the bike is lack of power.
Long thread about the bike at
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Dong-Fang-DF-250-RTB-Bobber-Information
Start at the back. LOL

Thanks to culcune there is another place to get a DF250RTB. They also have a green one which I like..
http://www.superiorpowersports.com/250cc_Motorcycle_p/df250mc-rtb.htm

[MDStroup]

MDStroup,
Get a VIN number from the vendor and take it to your DMV to check if can be registered in your state. Use to be a no for PA,NJ, and others. There is always the Vermont way. http://www.motorecyclenow.com/title-service.html

The carb on the latest DF250RTB is jetted just fine, no change necessary. The bike as delivered is geared way too low. No room to increase the size of the front sprocket so you need to get a smaller one for the rear. Stock is 45 tooth, I went with a 35 tooth from JT sprockets.
Max speed is about 55 MPH GPS. Biggest complaint about the bike is lack of power.
Long thread about the bike at
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2738-Dong-Fang-DF-250-RTB-Bobber-Information
Start at the back. LOL

Thanks to culcune there is another place to get a DF250RTB. They also have a green one which I like..

Thanks for the info. That OD green one looks nice. Where did you see that one for sale? I didn't see a link for it in this thread.

[Barnone]

Additional DF250RTB source at
http://www.superiorpowersports.com/250cc_Motorcycle_p/df250mc-rtb.htm

Green color choice there.

[Barnone]

Took my 1918 Indian to the Dragon for it's final ride before loading up and heading to Florida for the winter.
She is running just fine.

The other day Santa Clause was there and I was on my Ural. I asked why he was early and he said he was on vacation before the Xmas rush.

[Weldangrind]

Santa rides a Honda?


Love the bike rack on your Ural. What is it like to ride a hack in the twisties?

[culcune]

Took my 1918 Indian to the Dragon for it's final ride before loading up and heading to Florida for the winter.
She is running just fine.

The other day Santa Clause was there and I was on my Ural. I asked why he was early and he said he was on vacation before the Xmas rush.

LOL--1918 Indian!! :) :)

[culcune]

Santa rides a Honda?

I was thinking the same thing...glad someone else mentioned it... ;)