just a lot of Hate

[gardo]

i have been getting a lot of flack and haters about buying a "china bike" and its not from the HD riders i know. Its more from the other Metric Cruiser guys on the Japanese bikes.

I remember not that many years ago it was the same against them.

i know that there is a difference in some of the products coming out of China but there is some quality out there.

Have you guys seen this or caught flack because of your china bike?

[JTCAndrew]

I had mine in my store all winter where is was seen by many. Many asked what is that? I told them it was a Qlink XF200 - A Chinese bike. Most of them were super intrested especially when I gave them the price. Some had many more questions and wanted to examine it much closer. Other wanted to know where they could get one. I never had a bad comment about it at all. Like I tell People about Windows 7 - Don't knock it, until you tried it, and do your research! So far I love my Chinese bike and am Super please thus far. You'll find people knocking things they know nothing about, and you can't change everyone. These bike are fine in my opinion, and I'm really looking forward to spending more time on it and educating those who are intrested in them. I'm still clue;ess why most owners the first thing they do is remove the qlink name and graphics. I happen to like the graphics on mine. I added alot of other stickers to it as well. Gives ya something else to look at. Don't let it bother you. Enjoy your Bike and educate others about it.

[SpudRider]

i have been getting a lot of flack and haters about buying a "china bike" and its not from the HD riders i know. Its more from the other Metric Cruiser guys on the Japanese bikes.

I remember not that many years ago it was the same against them.

i know that there is a difference in some of the products coming out of China but there is some quality out there.

Have you guys seen this or caught flack because of your china bike?
No one has bothered me concerning my Zongshen motorcycle. ;) In my opinion, anyone who makes negative comments about another person's motorcycle is a jerk. :x I suggest you consider the source, and ignore them. ;)

Spud :)

[Barnone]

I removed the graphics from my Qlink because I like a plain bike and not one with a bunch of stickers on it and not because it's Chinese. I did the same thing with other bikes I have owned, probably about 50 or so. (American, Japanese, British, German.Taiwan,Chinese)

A lot of people look down on Chinese bikes like they use to look down on Japanese bikes.

[FastDoc]

You'll find people knocking things they know nothing about, and you can't change everyone.

So true.

To be honest I do have issues buying (Red) Chinese stuff but the reality of life is pretty much everything we buy nowadays is either from there of has a high Chinese content. :?

(So far) we have never been to war against China. If little things like history matter we should not be buying Japanese, German, or Italian bikes.

FWIW I did 'de-Q' my Q. I removed the Q-Link graphic from the seat, And placed OEM Suzuki decals where appropiate. To be honest it made it easier to explain what it really was.

One of the reasons I like this forum is our tolerence for different things, about bikes, and personalities. Even though, except for The Dirt Rat's Lifan heart, I'm CB-less, I enjoy this forum a lot. :D

[Weldangrind]

Like Doc's comment, almost everything we buy now is from China. It's only a matter of time before jerks like that finally accept it. It would be fair to ask them if they're convinced that their machines are totally made in Japan. Not bloody likely.

[Jim]

I don't think the issue of buying Chinese is linked really to history, but to human rights for Chinese workers, and the loss of jobs from North America... That is the result of our corporatist society though, and I suppose the prosperity of China will lead to improved conditions, until the cheap labor and lax regulatory standards in that country are exhausted and the big corporations find another developing country to exploit...

[JTCAndrew]

Everyone here has really great points. You may also want to ask your haters if they have ever been to WalMart? LMAO!!!!Hehehehehehe. Like Doc stated almost everything nowadays was made or has content from China.....ABC Just did a special on this. - I think it was ABC. Good points everyone. Yep "This is why out of all the forums I'm on - This one is the Best! Go China Riders!!!

[Barnone]

"(So far) we have never been to war against China. If little things like history matter we should not be buying Japanese, German, or Italian bikes. "

I am just finishing reading two books about the Korean War were we were battling China and North Korea troupes in 1952-53 at the Major Line of Resistance along the 38th parallel.

We in the USA have been in wars with almost every major country in the world so if we used that as a standard then we would have few trading partners.

[frostbite]

Like I tell People about Windows 7 - Don't knock it, until you tried it, and do your research!

I tried/use it. It blows. No offense. BTW, I'm not a Mac guy either - that's a whole other set of issues.

The problem with Windows is that most people that use Windows have never used anything else. If the only car a person ever drove was a Lada they'd probably think they're great.

-- end of thread hijack --

[RageHardIntoTheBendies]

Never had anything but compliments on my ride :)
Had some random security guard come up to me last night asking about the bike and telling me about his various dirt bikes.

[FastDoc]

I am just finishing reading two books about the Korean War were we were battling China and North Korea troupes in 1952-53 at the Major Line of Resistance along the 38th parallel.

:oops:

I knew that...

[Weldangrind]

Never had anything but compliments on my ride :)
Had some random security guard come up to me last night asking about the bike and telling me about his various dirt bikes.

He particularly appreciated the low cost of replacement plastic after somebody knocked your bike over. It's an excellent point. :D

[SpudRider]

Personally, I have had a lot of people ask me how I like my KTM motorcycle. :lol:

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/SLC%20trip%20September%202010/SLCTrip2010part1564.jpg

I always tell them it's a Zongshen motorcycle, and I have 40,000 miles on the odometer. :)

Spud :)

[Jim]

Like I tell People about Windows 7 - Don't knock it, until you tried it, and do your research!

I tried/use it. It blows. No offense. BTW, I'm not a Mac guy either - that's a whole other set of issues.

The problem with Windows is that most people that use Windows have never used anything else. If the only car a person ever drove was a Lada they'd probably think they're great.

-- end of thread hijack --

That sounds pretty subjective... I used windows 7 since the release candidate, and its been solid and reliable... I completely skipped vista. XP was good. Linux is a mess, and anything with an apple is overpriced. That's my opinion. That's my thread jack ;)

[Barnone]

Windows 7 has been solid for me. EasyPeasy Linux is solid as a rock also.

[Jim]

I wasn't trying to say linux isn't solid as a rock, it just has it's uses. A home desktop isn't the most appropriate, though it can be done, depending on what you want out of your computer.

[JTCAndrew]

Thread Jack - Sorry Just so everyone knows Windows 7 was my Idea!

[Jim]

:lol:

[frostbite]

Subjective? Here's a few 'objective' issues:

- Don't try to change any files under C:\Program Files..... Since W7 installs everything as the 'trusted installer' user you aren't permitted (even if your user is in the 'admin' group) to change any files. If I'm the admin user I should be able to change anything I darn well please. My computer, my risk. Some pre-W7 software requires configuration file tweaks in the installation directory (Oracle client anyone? Legacy apps?). To work around the limitation you either need to change ownership of the files in question or copy them outside the installation directory, tweak them, then copy them back. Good security - I'm not allowed to edit or delete a file, but I can overwrite it. Brilliant.

- They changed the Control Panel _again_ . It's almost the same stuff that's been there since Windows 98 - why do we have to learn new names for the same settings. What's 'Network Neighbourhood' called this time around.

- Even though I'm 'logged in' and see my desktop, don't bother trying to open anything - Windows is really still booting and doesn't want to register your mouse-clicks for at least 20-30 seconds after login. BTW, not a hardware issue - Dell Latitue E6500 < 1 year old. This 'illlusion' of faster booting has been built-in to Windows for several versions.

- Windows update - If auto-update is enabled - it will try to install updates _before_ shutdown. End of day - you want to go home. Oops I have 15 updates that need to be applied with no option to cancel. Hope I'm not in a hurry. Let's also not forget that if an update is 'important enough' it will apply the patch, and then RESTART your computer without asking. A computer should not auto-restart _ever_ unless there is a system malfunction or you've configured it that way . I've had system with uptimes > 1 year. Windows should be able to do it for a couple of weeks.

- 'Are you sure you want to run this software' YES!!! THAT's why I double-clicked on it. Believe it or not there is a _lot_ of valid software out there that didn't pay Microsoft to sign/certify/verify it.

e.g. Gimp, OpenVPN, emacs, OpenOffice, and so on

Where's my !@#@$%$ ascii terminal...


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[katoranger]

I can honestly say that I have not even tried 7. Still using XP and it works just fine for me.

And never had to much issue with people and china bikes.

[SpudRider]

I can honestly say that I have not even tried 7. Still using XP and it works just fine for me.

And never had to much issue with people and china bikes.
Chinabikes? Why are you mentioning Chinabikes in a Windows 7 thread? 8)

Spud :lol:

[katoranger]

I am waiting on doors 8. Suppose to be released with Chinese Characters instead of Icons.

[lego1970]

Thread Jack - Sorry Just so everyone knows Windows 7 was my Idea!


Despite the awesome timing of that comment......LOL, I too am a little dissapointed in windows 7. I like the new page part but I can't stand the size adjustment part. It's very sporadic and no adjustment towards my sensitivity settings seems to help.

[Weldangrind]

I can honestly say that I have not even tried 7. Still using XP and it works just fine for me.

And never had to much issue with people and china bikes.
Chinabikes? Why are you mentioning Chinabikes in a Windows 7 thread? 8)

Spud :lol:

Spud, that's the best line so far this year! :lol:

[SpudRider]

I can honestly say that I have not even tried 7. Still using XP and it works just fine for me.

And never had to much issue with people and china bikes.
Chinabikes? Why are you mentioning Chinabikes in a Windows 7 thread? 8)

Spud :lol:
Spud, that's the best line so far this year! :lol:
:lol:

Spud :lol:

[Jim]

I went on an organized dual sport ride when I had my gy5, a bunch of people checked it out, nobody said anything bad when I was around at least, but the honest truth is I don't care what they think.

And I agree, Spud, great comment :)

[SpudRider]

I agree, Jim. :) I don't care if others like my Zong; I only care that I like it. ;) Not only is my Zong a great little motorcycle, I really enjoy owning something different from others. :)

Spud :)

[2LZ]

I just spent the last 10 minutes 'sculpting' this awesome reply.....and my PC decided to eat it when I went to post! GRRRRRRRR!!! :x :evil:

Trust me....I've taken a ton of heat for the 4 CB's I've had.

Nothing new though. Try riding an old HD chopper for 15+ years and then pull up to your haunt on a brand new Victory. 8O You'd swear the Earth stopped spinning. I took crap for YEARS for that.
Believe me, I get the 'something different' thing, Spud.

No biggy. Ride on. 8)

[Barnone]

I grew up on Brit bikes back in the old days. Finally I bought a Suzuki 250 in 1968 and could not believe the reliability improvement over my 650 BSA. Caught a lot of heat over riding a Japanese bike but no more Brit bikes for me.

[FastDoc]

I just spent the last 10 minutes 'sculpting' this awesome reply.....and my PC decided to eat it when I went to post! GRRRRRRRR!!! :x :evil:

Trust me....I've taken a ton of heat for the 4 CB's I've had.

Nothing new though. Try riding an old HD chopper for 15+ years and then pull up to your haunt on a brand new Victory. 8O You'd swear the Earth stopped spinning. I took crap for YEARS for that.
Believe me, I get the 'something different' thing, Spud.

No biggy. Ride on. 8)

Even all the years I had a Harley it was just a bike to me. I was never wanting to be a part of a culture or ahve all these 'brothers' in Harleydom.

That's why I go to church, not a motorcycle dealership.

Bikes are bikes. I likle them all. I grade them on performance in their particular area. Looks, cache, and all don't matter to me. I care more about value, ability, longevity.

I wave to ALL other bikers. I could give a rat's arse what they ride.

[FastDoc]

I agree, Jim. :) I don't care if others like my Zong; I only care that I like it. ;) Not only is my Zong a great little motorcycle, I really enjoy owning something different from others. :)

Spud :)

We sure do like your little Zong around here, Brother Spud. :D

I bet it would be a minority of Japanese 200's that would go 40,000 plus miles and do everything your Zong has done for you.

If people want to pay much more for a TW over a Zong or a DR200SE over a Q they are allowed, it's a free country, but I will accept no grief for doing the same.

[Weldangrind]

Brand loyalty is a funny thing. I can remember not ever considering a Japanese car over a US model, but now a good number of US vehicles are made with Japanese or other Asian parts.

In the bike world, we only have Harley and Polaris in North America; most of the quality options come from Japan. I refuse to take heat over buying a Chinese bike over a Japanese bike, especially considering there aren't any US options for the dirt. It's up to me to decide which Asian country gets my dollar.

We're all well aware that the Japanese copied the US and Brit bikes in the seventies, and now the Chinese are copying the Japanese. Payback is a bummer. :lol: