FastDoc's Official Pitster Pro LXT400 Thread.

[FastDoc]

I am once again a Chinabike owner/fixer/rider. :roll:

I am home safe and thank you for all your prayers. :P

The PP400 went 330 miles. 115 off road, the rest a mix of freeway and twisty backroads. Since I got the bike with 250 miles on the clock, I rode it in 2 days more than the poor prior owner rode it in a year.

The Bad.

Lets start with the bad, but there is also plenty of good so don't get discouraged. You all know CB's. :wink:

The bike was an ABSOLUTE BEAR to start cold. Once warmed up it was fine all day. The prior owner said the choke (enricher) does not help and it used with the motor already running will kill it.

The seat left me feeling like I was examined by a sadistic Chinese protologist. This is the sort of torture the Chinese did to our boys in Korea.

Chain guard fell off.

Horn was feeble to begin with, dead now.

Neutral light was acting up in the beginning, seems to have fixed itself.

Screw fell out of right rear shroud.

Speedo and temp gauge sometimes are bouncy.

This thing is no Gold Wing, and despite being larger (nominally) than my KLX it does not have nearly the smaller bikes power. Top speed (GPS) was 80. I think with a larger countershaft sprocket it would go faster.

Poor gas mileage on the highway (70 MPH only 40.6) The 3 gallon tank makes sure you stop at every gas station or wait for God to send a trucker. :lol:

Starter button tried to fall out but I caught it in time.

Puller broke off tool kit zipper.

No halogen headlight.

Snails on chain adjuster lack a tab to tap them to adjust them.

Some Chinaman put too much Locktite on the rear axle, had to loosen nut.

Clutch drags some but I was able to adjust much of that away. I hope a good cable lube tomorrow will help.

A couple drops of oil from the oil filter cover.

The Good.

It was cheap. :roll:

It looks great.

It's twisty road handling is outstanding.

The no-name Chinese tires are very good.

It climbs great.

It accelerates well.

It is fairly light and a good off road machine.

The suspension bottoms with even small jumps, but at least it jumps.

It got me home safe.

[FastDoc]

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At home ready for it's first bath.

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Out in the middle of nowhere somewhere. We did 115 miles of dirt, it's all a blur... 8)

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Brother Roger. I love this guy.

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Although much easier to ride in the dirt and especially the technical single track, The KLR has it all over the PP. We did a section of dry stream bed and river rock that gave the KLR fits, but Roger kept it together. The PP handled that, and everything else just fine.

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Pick a rut, any rut. Either one will put you on your face if you're not careful.

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Brother Roger digging in!

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Daddy469 (Michael) and Roger.

[FastDoc]

BTW The oil under the bike in the 3rd picture is not mine. Some Harley was parked there before me. :wink:

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This is a quality machine. ANYONE who can afford one should get one!

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This is NOT a quality machine, but anyone can afford one!

[FastDoc]

All nice and clean:

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[SpudRider]

Thanks for the report, Brother Bill! :) Let's take a look at that carburetor, and see if we can fix the cold start problem. ;)

Spud :)

[mizke]

is there maybe a larger tank that would fit the pp400 ?

if not, then might i suggest a empty water bottle filled with gas and stored in the rear pack you have strapped on it ? just incase you run out of gas again you could get a few more miles down the road vs having to walk or wait for some one

maybe even a reserve tank hidden behind a body panel or something...

[Barnone]

FastDoc,
Somehow I missed the start of this saga. Just couldn't pass up a great deal? Glutton for punishment? Trying to atone for some past sin?

Anyway the Pitster looks brand new all cleaned up.

Your comment about the sadistic Chinese proctologist hit home with me since I just had my annual physical. Luckily my doctor is a female.
:D

[FastDoc]

Your comment about the sadistic Chinese proctologist hit home with me since I just had my annual physical. Luckily my doctor is a female.

Very interesting. :roll:

I know why I did it. :oops:

I must have some ADD. I have to stay busy. I must have some OCD. I need to fix things.

I've been thinking about this. Non-Chinese bikes are for beginners. Pay the $$$, turn the key, go ride. ANYONE can do it. It takes an expert rider/mechanic/tinkerer to run a Chinabike.We are expert riders (I guess). 8)

BTW, You KNOW I will get that PP running fine soon, with all your help. All the issues are very small except for the cold starting problem and I will post pics later and see if we can get that figured out.

[JTCAndrew]

Thanks for the report, Brother Bill! :) Let's take a look at that carburetor, and see if we can fix the cold start problem. ;)

Spud :)

What Kind of Carb does this have? A CV? I Know that I read about moving the Clip on the main Needle down to the 4yh position has been stated to help with cold starts. I find that to be true becuase I started my bike yesterday (Foregetting to put the choke on) and it fired right up without problem. Barely had to give it any gas. Just a thought if any of it applys. I am certainly not a CARB guy but I am learning quite a bit here.

DOC - Did you get a Service manual or locate one for this bike yet?

Andrew

[JTCAndrew]

Doc - Check this out if you haven't already !

http://www.pitsterpro.com/uploads/docs/Set%20up%20Jetting.jpg

[Barnone]

From FD,
"I've been thinking about this. Non-Chinese bikes are for beginners. Pay the $$$, turn the key, go ride. ANYONE can do it. It takes an expert rider/mechanic/tinkerer to run a Chinabike.We are expert riders (I guess). Cool"

That is why I never recommend that an inexperienced rider/mechanic buy a China bike especially off the net. Nothing wrong with them buying from a good dealer that has been in business for years. But in my case there is not a good dealer around here. I haven't been to a auto or motorcycle dealer for service in I don't know when.

BTW, I don't claim to be an expert. Still learning or practicing like the good Doc says.

. :D

[JTCAndrew]

I came across this website that I thought you would all enjoy - I think the Video actually features a LXT400 Doc - Enjoy - I'm going to watch it in it's entirety now.....

http://www.labarstowvegas.com/

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for the pics, Doc. :D

I hadn't noticed before, but those side panels are looking very XL / XR - ish. I wonder if the seat and tank are XL / XR shaped as well. I'd be happy to compare my XR tank and seat if you like. If you remove the seat and tank, flip them over and take some photos, and I'll do the same. We could compare mounting points and dimensions and see if that would benefit you.

An XL / XR seat and a Clarke tank would make that machine much more comfortable with a longer range.

[FastDoc]

UPDATE:

Took the bike to church this AM and for the long way home. It started right up :P . Maybe it needed to be ridden? It had basically sat for 9 months without Stabil or anything. Also I found out that you just need to pull the enricher just a tad, gently, and a little throttle and you're good to go. It only took a minute to warm up before heading on the road. :D

I plan to take it for a dirt ride this afternoon, will report my findings. I have a patient with a Husaberg who's been wanting to ride with me. Any luck at all I'll be able to take a turn on that fine machine too. 8)

Some more plusses to report. The horn fixed itself. My guess is it did not like the powerwasher, although it is now of normal volume, before it was feeble. Go figure.

The swingarm is aluminum, the suspension is adjustable although I have not played with it yet. It uses no oil or antifreeze.

Over 600 miles on the clock. I hope to have it over 1,00 in another week. God willing. :D

[FastDoc]

Thanks for the pics, Doc. :D

I hadn't noticed before, but those side panels are looking very XL / XR - ish. I wonder if the seat and tank are XL / XR shaped as well. I'd be happy to compare my XR tank and seat if you like. If you remove the seat and tank, flip them over and take some photos, and I'll do the same. We could compare mounting points and dimensions and see if that would benefit you.

An XL / XR seat and a Clarke tank would make that machine much more comfortable with a longer range.

PP says the plastics and frame are XR400 clones, so XR400 plastics and tank should fit. :D

[FastDoc]

Thanks for the report, Brother Bill! :) Let's take a look at that carburetor, and see if we can fix the cold start problem. ;)

Spud :)

What Kind of Carb does this have? A CV? I Know that I read about moving the Clip on the main Needle down to the 4yh position has been stated to help with cold starts. I find that to be true becuase I started my bike yesterday (Foregetting to put the choke on) and it fired right up without problem. Barely had to give it any gas. Just a thought if any of it applys. I am certainly not a CARB guy but I am learning quite a bit here.

DOC - Did you get a Service manual or locate one for this bike yet?

Andrew

Thanks for the links. I have not seen them and will check them out.

I will post some carb pics today when I get a chance.

It's a CV carb and your idea may work. I hesitate because it started easily this AM and may not need to be adjusted. I also added some Seafoam to clean it out a bit more. Finally it runs so good I am not in a rush to change the carb settings, will wait and see, and ride.

BTW Andrew, you bought one of the best 200cc bikes available, from any country. You and your Q will build a long and happy relationship. The more you ride that bike the more you will like it.

I actually SAW a Q on the 100 mile off road section yesterday. An orange one trying to look like a KTM but it's A/C engine and modest speed (and Q decals) gave it away. I bet it's owner was smiling in his (her?) helmet.

[SpudRider]

Thanks for the pics, Doc. :D

I hadn't noticed before, but those side panels are looking very XL / XR - ish. I wonder if the seat and tank are XL / XR shaped as well. I'd be happy to compare my XR tank and seat if you like. If you remove the seat and tank, flip them over and take some photos, and I'll do the same. We could compare mounting points and dimensions and see if that would benefit you.

An XL / XR seat and a Clarke tank would make that machine much more comfortable with a longer range.

PP says the plastics and frame are XR400 clones, so XR400 plastics and tank should fit. :D
When I visited Lindon, Utah, last fall, one person at Pitster Pro told me XR400 plastic would fit the LXT 400. However, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever verified that claim. I have never heard an XR400 fuel tank, or any other fuel tank would fit the LXT 400. ;) However, if I were looking for other body parts to fit the LXT 400, I would certainly begin with XR400 parts. ;)

I'm glad the bike started right up this morning, Doc. :) Perhaps you were a little too harsh in your initial assessment of the LXT 400? :?: Every motorcycle wants to run; they hate to sit unloved. ;) Maybe the LXT 400 just needs a little TLC. :) I would enjoy hearing from the other LXT 400 owners regarding their experiences with the issues you have mentioned.

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

More pics, including close ups of the carb:

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Fork compression adjustment.

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Fork rebound adjustment.

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Note pretty adjusters. Then note no tabs to adjust them with. :roll:

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Strong brakes.

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Enricher lever.

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Nitrogen shock.

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Best part on the whole dang bike. :P

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NGK. :D

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Placebo fuel selector. Off and On work. Reserve is only maybe 2/10 gallon. :evil:

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What carb is this??

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Beauty shots. 8)

[FastDoc]

I forgot to mention. I used my cable luber on the clutch cable with W&G's personal favorite lube, Chain Wax. The clutch now operates fine. :D

[MICRider]

I have to say, it is a sharp looking bike! Too bad they didn't put as much effort into function as form... I have no doubt you'll get it sorted out though!

[FastDoc]

I found out this on lone about the carb. Hardly anything out there. :?

DaShun is a Keihin clone, at least on my bike it is, and Keihin jets interchange

[mizke]

hey um 4th or 5th pic up from the bottem.. the one that has that wheel with the 2 cables going to it off the side of the carb..

is my assumption correct that controls the throttle plate in the carb when you give it gas.. and that is what the return cable thingy for twist throttles so it does not stick in the full throttle postion..

[FastDoc]

I'm about to get my freshly washed bike all dirty again. My patient with the Husaberg is on his way over. This should be fun. I will be sure to top off my gas tank, again. :roll:

[SpudRider]

I found out this on lone about the carb. Hardly anything out there. :?

DaShun is a Keihin clone, at least on my bike it is, and Keihin jets interchange
Indeed, you carburetor seems to share some similarities with the Keihin carburetor on my Honda XR650L. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

PP says the plastics and frame are XR400 clones, so XR400 plastics and tank should fit. :D

That means that '96 to '04 XR250 parts will fit as well. Same bike, AFAIK.

[Weldangrind]

I'll take some shots of my XR250R carb for comparison.

[david3921]

Doc,
I noticed that the bottom of the petcock is bowl shaped and has a bolt. Is there a filter or screen in there?

[FastDoc]

Doc,
I noticed that the bottom of the petcock is bowl shaped and has a bolt. Is there a filter or screen in there?

I don't know. I suspect a screen. I plan to replace the fuel line and add a filter.

[FastDoc]

Just got back from 2 hours of trail riding. This bike does OK. I think I may have comdemned it prematurely... Time will tell.

The Husaberg is nuts. Awesome bike. Like a Ferrari dirtbike. :D

[JTCAndrew]

Did u get any pics of the Husaberg? Sounds Mean..... :?:

[JTCAndrew]

Relooking at your Pictures The Speedo on the LXT Looks alot like the "Q" - Does that really have a HONDA Engine on it?

[SpudRider]

Relooking at your Pictures The Speedo on the LXT Looks alot like the "Q" - Does that really have a HONDA Engine on it?
I think the speedometers are exactly the same, Andrew. ;) The previous owner cracked the stator cover, and replaced it with an NX250 part. :)

Spud :)

[JTCAndrew]

So It's A honda Clone? Intresting. If it is can't be to bad.....Looks like the Left side of the speedo is a Bit Different other then that the same.....

[SpudRider]

So It's A honda Clone? Intresting. If it is can't be to bad.....Looks like the Left side of the speedo is a Bit Different other then that the same.....
The Xingyue/LXT 400 is mostly a Honda clone, Andrew. ;) The bottom end of the engine is cloned from the Honda NX250. The top end of the engine is from a Rotax, ATV engine. The frame and swingarm are reputed to be cloned from the Honda XR400. The forks are Chinese, and the saddle is suspected to come from Hades. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

PP says the plastics and frame are XR400 clones, so XR400 plastics and tank should fit. :D

That means that '96 to '04 XR250 parts will fit as well. Same bike, AFAIK.

That's what I think. I'm starting to think of this bike as a Honda clone with a Rotax cylinder and head. That will help with spare parts. I also would use XY Canada and/or Saga Canada if I needed anything. The prices for parts are amazingly low for this bike. :P

[FastDoc]

Did u get any pics of the Husaberg? Sounds Mean..... :?:

Will post in the Other Stuff Forum in a minute. Stupid fast bike. Husaberg and KTM are the same. Fuel injected, top shelf everything. Way more bike than I need, but it would make a cool D/S.

[FastDoc]

The saddle is suspected to come from Hades.

LMAO Spud!

If I kept this bike I'd be considering eBay for XR400 saddles... :roll:

[Weldangrind]

It seems to me that you could swap an XR400 cylinder, piston and head onto that bottom end, if you were so inclined. The XR400 engine runs all day long without coolant, but it does use a small heat exchanger behind the headlight to cool the oil.

Where is the dipstick on the XY? Is it on the engine? On my XR250R, it's in front of the gas tank.

[fishman10]

doc ,please check your lower radiator hose ,mine is cracked and or rotten at both ends the chinese rubber is very poor ,and I have gotten no reply from pitster or xingyue canada ,, so if anyone knows of a suitable replacement ,,plus how did this all begin ? Is that daddy's pp400? I may keep mine now ,,,Iwas seriously gonna sell it cause we know so little bout these and what might fit ,,,but now since doc is on the case I feel better!

[fishman10]

xr 400 tank probly won't work ,cause of the radiator ,but its worth a look

[Weldangrind]

A little creativity and maybe a MIG welder could move a rad.

Fish, have you tried bulk heater hose from the local parts store? If you need an elbow in it, you could always insert one and secure it with gear clamps.

[fishman10]

yes weld its got some pretty sharp bends in such a short length,, think the plastic elbows will hold up?

[FastDoc]

It seems to me that you could swap an XR400 cylinder, piston and head onto that bottom end, if you were so inclined. The XR400 engine runs all day long without coolant, but it does use a small heat exchanger behind the headlight to cool the oil.

Where is the dipstick on the XY? Is it on the engine? On my XR250R, it's in front of the gas tank.

This bike is a wt sump. The oil fill and dipstick are on the right side of the engine.

I'll leave it to the next owner to modify. I am enjoying it as is right now. Fired right up this AM. The 'trick' is to just pull the enricher a tiny bit, she starts right up and is good to ride with no stumbling in a minute. Temps are in the mid 40's this AM, FWIW.

[FastDoc]

doc ,please check your lower radiator hose ,mine is cracked and or rotten at both ends the chinese rubber is very poor ,and I have gotten no reply from pitster or xingyue canada ,, so if anyone knows of a suitable replacement ,,plus how did this all begin ? Is that daddy's pp400? I may keep mine now ,,,Iwas seriously gonna sell it cause we know so little bout these and what might fit ,,,but now since doc is on the case I feel better!

I checked the hoses they are fine. I may replaace them with hoses from the auto parts store though.

I was hoping XY Canada would be a good source. What's up there?

This was Daddy's XY. I hope it treats me better than it treated him. So far so good...

[fishman10]

I emailed both pitster and xingyue canada as well as xingyue corp inquiring about gettin some parts particularlly the radiator hose,,no one has responded.

[Weldangrind]

All you fellas have gotta do is ask me. :D

I pop into Saga on a semi-regular basis, and I'll be happy to check for rad hoses for the XY. Anything else?

[Weldangrind]

yes weld its got some pretty sharp bends in such a short length,, think the plastic elbows will hold up?

I would certainly try plastic elbows, but I'd search for thick walled pieces. See if you can get specs on them, because they might see temps North of 230 degrees F.

[FastDoc]

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Faithful steed?

Waiting for me outside my office window. 'Lets ride' it says!

[FastDoc]

All you fellas have gotta do is ask me. :D

I pop into Saga on a semi-regular basis, and I'll be happy to check for rad hoses for the XY. Anything else?

I will totally keep that in mind, Weld! Thanks. Right now I don't think I need anything. 8)

[2LZ]

That is a fine looking steed, Doc! :D ...and yes to your comments on the CB is not for the non-mechanic kinda guy. Ya gotta know what you're getting into, for sure.
One of the reasons I like them also. In non-riding or foul weather times, you can always make it better somehow by tinkering.....and they most definitely need to be run....and it seems they do have a dendency to 'self-heal' with miles.

That tach/speedo setup is like the Q, as Andrew pointed out. My odometer reads in Km's. I'm sure that one does also?

So far, that looks like a very fun unit! Tha gas mileage though....ouch! Maybe the carb is just set up to rich? Check the plug yet? Maybe the enricher is hanging up?

[FastDoc]

The speedo and odometer are in MPH! Go figure!

In fairness the poor mileage was at nearly full throttle 70 MPH into a decent headwind. Around town and on the trail it seems to get closer to 50.

[katoranger]

yes weld its got some pretty sharp bends in such a short length,, think the plastic elbows will hold up?

I would certainly try plastic elbows, but I'd search for thick walled pieces. See if you can get specs on them, because they might see temps North of 230 degrees F.

I would be inclined to use copper. Combo auto parts/home depot run.

[FastDoc]

Eyeballing the hoses I bet an off the shelf hose can m=be manipulated to fit without kinks. I'd try first, and if it kinks the copper elbows sound like a fine idea, if theyt are made in a size that works.

Oh the challenge of CB ownership! I love it! :roll:

[fishman10]

well weld, please check on a bottom rad. hose i'm sure the cost to buy and then ship to PA would probably make it a bad idea tho.

[fishman10]

here is the problem.http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad328/fishman10/pitsterradiatorhose001.jpg (http://s948.photobucket.com/albums/ad328/fishman10/?action=view&current=pitsterradiatorhose001.jpg)

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[FastDoc]

In medical terms that hose does look pre-terminal. I checked mine it seems fine, for now, but it also looks like a regular properly sized hearter hose would work.

[fishman10]

kinda weird being a new bike an bike was put together end of oct. - and pretty much put in the shed till last week ,,But I guess I'll try the heater hose route.

[FastDoc]

kinda weird being a new bike an bike was put together end of oct. - and pretty much put in the shed till last week ,,But I guess I'll try the heater hose route.

Chinabike.... :roll:

[SpudRider]

kinda weird being a new bike an bike was put together end of oct. - and pretty much put in the shed till last week ,,But I guess I'll try the heater hose route.
Chinabike.... :roll:
WaG's laconic statement is profoundly true. ;) With the possible exceptions of the Zongshen 200GY-2, and the QLink 200cc motorcycles, most chinabikes require lots of loctite, replacement rubber, and TLC before they settle down into reliable service. Replacement parts are also more difficult to acquire for Chinese motorcycles, and aftermarket support for these bikes is practically nonexistent. In addition, plan to do all your own maintenance; most motorcycle shops won't touch a Chinese motorcycle. ;)

For all these reasons, one should do diligent research before buying any Chinese motorcycle. However, if you have a good sense of humor, and you are willing, and able, to do the extra work, you can find some excellent deals on Chinese motorcycles. :) Nevertheless, once the price approaches $2,000 USD, I believe everyone is better off purchasing a low-mileage, used, Japanese motorcycle instead of a Chinese motorcycle. ;)

P.S. If you reduce your photograph's size by 50 percent, this thread will be much easier to read, Fish. ;)

Spud :)

[mizke]

this might be a good idea to help keep those engine temps down


http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/productDetail.do?navType=type&page=2&webTypeId=42&navTitle=Engine&webCatId=17&prodFamilyId=23919

[FastDoc]

I agree with Spud. Also, as I am fond of saying nowadays, these are not beginner motorcycles. They are easy to ride, but not so easy to own. I consider them a hobby. :D Q's and Zongs excepted of course.

[Weldangrind]

Fish, I'll be happy to check at Saga for you, but it will be more of the same. Really, nothing can beat quality hose from a company like Gates.

Another option is for us to keep an eye out on the trails for bikes that use hoses with similar bends. Can you remove and photograph the hoses for reference?

[fishman10]

I don't know doc says his hoses are fine so maybe i got a bad batch.I mean this bike is brand new and his hoses are fine and mine are rotten ,aw well the chinese!~

[Weldangrind]

Ok, well photos would still be a benefit to me, but I could try to match them to an XY on the showroom floor. You know how these things go; there might be a subtle difference between the floor model and yours.

[fishman10]

well i posted photos albeat they werea little messed up

[FastDoc]

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Smogectomy performed, fuel line replaced, shock adjusted, throttle cables adjusted.

Getting there. :D

[JTCAndrew]

Doc Seeing this Picture just reminded me - I wanted to change My Fuel Line as well. Not that it's bad But becuase - I wanted to put the clear fuel Line on. Great for making sure your getting fuel. I got some in my tool box. Thanks for striking my memory! I get so busy with work and family, I forget these little must do's I have in my head waiting to get out! LOL

PS: I just ordered this today hope to get it on soon (This Week)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546777905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Andrew

[FastDoc]

Cool Andrew! Neat unit. My only thought is it does not look waterproof so cover it when washing the bike. Where are you going to mount it?

[Weldangrind]

That looks like snowmobile hose; that's the hose I choose so it remains flexible in cold weather.

[2LZ]

Ahhhh! The Good Doctor is showing the new baby some love! :D
Boy....I thrive on this stuff. I was telling Mrs 2LZ tonight, "Do you remember the first couple years Victory was in business!?....and there was no real support or anyone out there, so we all banded together, thanks to Yahoo and the internet and helped make it all happen!? That's JUST what the CB thing is like!...all over again!" :D
I got a chompin' for a new project. the dang Q is to "Japanese!" 8O I honestly could have put gas in it and rode it, like Doc did!

Back to Fish and his hose....is it me or does my "CB Cheap" eyes see enough hose to take the cutters to it and have enough to reseat? Just my penny-pinching soul talking. 8)

[FastDoc]

I didn't pay for the hose, Andy gave it to me off the floor. 4" hardly worth charging for. I'm trying to keep the expenses down to close to zero on this one. 8)

May get a countershaft sprocket though. :wink:

[Weldangrind]

I would agree, 2LZ. If it doesn't compromise the elbows and cause a kink, I'd certainly trim a bit off and try again. It should buy some time.

[SpudRider]

...PS: I just ordered this today hope to get it on soon (This Week)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546777905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Andrew
After the unit arrives, please start a new thread reviewing it in the Dual Sport Forum, Andrew! :) I am interested to learn more about this gauge.

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

well i posted photos albeat they werea little messed up
That's OK, Fish. ;) Your photos were sized pretty well; they just needed a few spaces added between them. I edited your post, and fixed the problem. ;) Thank you for posting the excellent photographs. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Not much to update other than the bike starts fine first thing in the AM, and everytime now. I just needd to learn the trick. The enricher is way too rich so I pull it up maybe a mm, thumb the starter and she's alive and running. Adjusting the slack out of the throttle cables helped the way the bike responds and feels.

My buddy Andy rode it yesterday and gave it a thumbs up, for the price. He was amused at the Honda engine cover. He advised me on suspension adjustment and told me he thought it has much more power, especially low end, than the 250's. Again, maybe I was harsh in my inital assesment. I've not ridden the KLX since I got the LXT. :roll:

QUESTION:

What's a 'lighting coil'? That's what PP says I have on the 400. FWIW there are errors on their spec sheet so I don't know what to trust. I put hookups for my electic vest and gloves but are they safe to use? I don't want to fry anything hard to replace on this odd duck.

ALSO:

After I removed the charcoal canister I decided to leave the lines open to the atmosphere as they do not have any vacuum when the bike is running or reved. I think at least one of them is a vent for the tank and/or the carb so I just left them open. Any thoughts?

[Weldangrind]

A true DS needs two coils under the flywheel; one for ignition and 12v production, and the other is dedicated to the healight, hence the term lighting coil. I would keep the lighting coil dedicated to the headlight and tap into the other coil for accessories. BTW, motorcycles in Canada aren't supposed to have a means to shut off the headlight; it should be on while the engine is running, independant of the battery.

As long as you properly fuse the 12v supply, your vest shouldn't cause trouble. If the draw is significant, use a relay to power the vest.

At the end of the day, there only needs to be one vent hose from the engine, and it releases pressure for the most part. Since there is a vacuum action caused by the ascent of the piston, there would be a miniscule pulsing action, but the hose isn't likely to draw anything. It's cheap insurance to stick a fuel filter on the vent hose to keep dirt out of the bottom end in dusty conditions.

Are you sure that the fuel cap isn't vented? I can't imagine how air could replace the fuel that is consumed if there is no vent at the top.

[FastDoc]

Thanks Weld. This bike is kinda interesting. :D

The lights don't turn on until the engine is started. (Except the neutral light).

I have the attachment for the electric clothing and charger hooked up directly to the battery, as per usual. I assume I'm good to go then?

Thanks for the input on the hoses.

There is a placard on the side cover that shows the vacuum line/EC routing that specifically states the cap is non vented. Again, FWIW.

It looks identical to a Lifanoid/Hondoid cap, which in my past observation have been vented.

[2LZ]

Wow...."Lighting coil". Reminder me of the ol' flywheel/mag days. :lol:

I'd definitely say that one of those lines to the canister is ported vacuum....at least that's how all the canisters here are in the PRK. Just in case, I'd hook up a vacuum gauge and wick the throttle to see if one of the lines make the gauge flicker. Plug that one or you may create a lean condition. Just a suggestion.

Speaking of which, sure seems like your choke may be borderline 'on'. I'd double check to make sure it's completely 'unriching'. Could have something to do with your mileage.

[FastDoc]

Wow...."Lighting coil". Reminder me of the ol' flywheel/mag days. :lol:

I'd definitely say that one of those lines to the canister is ported vacuum....at least that's how all the canisters here are in the PRK. Just in case, I'd hook up a vacuum gauge and wick the throttle to see if one of the lines make the gauge flicker. Plug that one or you may create a lean condition. Just a suggestion.

Speaking of which, sure seems like your choke may be borderline 'on'. I'd double check to make sure it's completely 'unriching'. Could have something to do with your mileage.

Good thoughts.

I checked for vacuum using the old wet finger rev the throttle test and did not feel one. I will try a gauge too. I was tempted to simply plug them but don't want to plug a vent.

[Weldangrind]

I think that direct connection to the battery is the best way, as long as it's fused properly.

[FastDoc]

Its hooked up and I used it tonight. It worked perfectly.

I topped off the antifreeze the other day. I added too much and it dripped out the overflow from the catch tank. I was concerned it was a leak and removed the shroud to inspect the radiator. it was fine. I confirmed the level was at the top. All is well.

Ever get CB paranoia? Assume every little thing is a catstrophe? :?:

I was idling the bike watching for leaks on the radfiator with a drop light. I do this for about 3 min and the engine quit and would not restart.

Nuts.

I figure it puked something. :evil:

I forgot to turn the gas back on :oops: ! So I confirmed that the petcock 'off' position works AND I don't leak coolant. I also inspected the hoses and they are fine. :D

[2LZ]

Ever get CB paranoia? Assume every little thing is a catstrophe? :?:

I was idling the bike watching for leaks on the radfiator with a drop light. I do this for about 3 min and the engine quit and would not restart.

Nuts.

I figure it puked something. :evil:

I forgot to turn the gas back on :oops: !
Doc! It's not CB Paranoia! You CARE and are CONCERNED! That's why you throw yourself into these situations! You're a doctor! It comes with the turf! :lol:
My excuse for being a CB owner? It's more complex. (other than being cheap)
I couldn't fix my X-wife so I continue to toss myself into hopeless situations wishing for better results! :P ....and so far, twisting a wrench on CB's has yielded FAR more rewards! :D

[Weldangrind]

I do this for about 3 min and the engine quit and would not restart.

I forgot to turn the gas back on :oops: ! So I confirmed that the petcock 'off' position works AND I don't leak coolant.

You learned two things. The petcock 'off' position works, and you have three minutes worth of fuel in the hose. :D

[david3921]

Doc, my XF200 does not have a vented cap. There is a hose that connects at the tank that goes to a check valve. This was the only part of the smog equiptment I left on.

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac217/david3921/hose.jpg

[FastDoc]

That's what I figure my deal is too. :idea:

Apparantly when I overfilled the coolant it will expell the excess drop by drop through the overflow bottle's vent. Past few rides I can count on a few drops out of the catch bottle but there are no leaks anywhere on the radiator or hoses that I can detect under close examination. My plan is to let it find it's own proper level. Temps are good!

I will be over 800 miles when I get home from work, then weather permitting (showers today :cry: ) some more off road miles later today. :D

[FastDoc]

Thanks for the pic. My bike has an identical looking check valve, likely from the same company.

[FastDoc]

Closing in on 800 miles. New pics from today's ride. I hope to get 1,000 miles on it by the end of the week :D

Tonight was a beautiful sunset. The cellphone does not do it justice, of course.

The PP400 is making a pretty good trail bike. The extra weight over my 250 is really not noticeable. It has good power and tires, and rides pretty well also.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/2-56.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/3-46.jpg

[Weldangrind]

That's a really nice machine. If you still have it when we meet, I'd be grateful for the chance to take it for a rip. :D

[FastDoc]

Maybe you'll ride it back to Abbotsford...

[Weldangrind]

Shhh, Mrs. Weldangrind might hear you!

[FastDoc]

The usefullness of this bike overlaps with my 250. The PP is redundant. I just wanted to have fun with it for a little while... :P

[2LZ]

The usefullness of this bike overlaps with my 250. The PP is redundant. I just wanted to have fun with it for a little while... :P
To bad it's not legal in the PRK! :x I'd be awfly tempted to go visit my uncle in Spokanne and take it off your hands! Boy....Mrs 2LZ would have a seizure..... 8O

[Barnone]

FastDoc,
You seemed to have trimmed your signature. That is not be a cure for MBS (multiple bike syndrome ) just denial.

[FastDoc]

FastDoc,
You seemed to have trimmed your signature. That is not be a cure for MBS (multiple bike syndrome ) just denial.

That's true. I trimmed the signature though as an expression of humility. It occured to me that I did not want to celebrate Earthly toys so much so as I redirected myself I redirected my signature. :D

[FastDoc]

Well over 800 miles. :D

We are having an issue though... :evil:

On the way home from work I noticed my nice dress boot was wet on the left.

Coolant leak. :?

Small enough leak I can't see or find it but I hate leaks, especially coolant on my clothes!

I drained and flushed the system and added clean antifreeze mix and some Stop Leak. I think it's OK. If not the radiator is simple enough to remove and bring to a shop for repair. I think it was some stone damage I can see...

Chinese radiator. :roll:

[SpudRider]

...I drained and flushed the system and added clean antifreeze mix and some Stop Leak. I think it's OK. If not the radiator is simple enough to remove and bring to a shop for repair. I think it was some stone damage I can see...

Chinese radiator. :roll:
Thanks for the update, Doc. :)

P.S. I prefer air cooled engines. :roll:

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Good point, Spud although I don't worry about it on the KLX. Kawasaki engineered the radiators on either side of the wheel rather than in the middle where they could get damaged. Then Kawasaki armored and protected the radiators from any stone or crash damage. I'd also bet they are better made and of stronger material than the Chinese part.

With that said I think it's fixed. I just checked the coolant after a 30 mile ride and it's fine. :D

I just want to be open and forward with anyone reading this thread. I am trying to present the only long term report on the LXT400 on line anywhere.Once I hit 1,000 miles, hopefully this weekend, I may have the most proven LXT400 out there!

BTW 60 MPG last fillup. It seems to like not running on the highway. That was commuting and trail riding. Also, as it breaks in the mileage may be improving.

[SpudRider]

Good point, Spud although I don't worry about it on the KLX. Kawasaki engineered the radiators on either side of the wheel rather than in the middle where they could get damaged. Then Kawasaki armored and protected the radiators from any stone or crash damage. I'd also bet they are better made and of stronger material than the Chinese part.

With that said I think it's fixed. I just checked the coolant after a 30 mile ride and it's fine. :D

I just want to be open and forward with anyone reading this thread. I am trying to present the only long term report on the LXT400 on line anywhere.

Once I hit 1,000 miles, hopefully this weekend, I may have the most proven LXT400 out there!

BTW 60 MPG last fillup. It seems to like not running on the highway. That was commuting and trail riding. Also, as it breaks in the mileage may be improving.
Thank you, Doc. We appreciate your reports very much. :) Could someone add a protective screen to the radiator? Perhaps one could add a vertical piece of aluminum plate to protect the area of the radiator immediately behind the front wheel? :?:

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

It would be easy. There are even mounting holes for a grille or guard drilled and tapped in the radiator mounts already. Whey XY never added one I don't know. A guy who knew how to work with metal could fab one in no time. I may add a simple screen or grille.

Similarly there is a skid/bash plate on the bike already, but it is thin aluminum. I'd prefer a heavy gauge steel one. I don't have the metal working skills to make one, but it would be a simple curved rectangular sheet of steel with two homes in front and two in back. It would then bolt right up.

[SpudRider]

It would be easy. There are even mounting holes for a grille or guard drilled and tapped in the radiator mounts already. Whey XY never added one I don't know. A guy who knew how to work with metal could fab one in no time. I may add a simple screen or grille...
Now that you mention it, I believe I have seen a screen attached to the radiator on some of the Xingyue bikes. ;)
...Similarly there is a skid/bash plate on the bike already, but it is thin aluminum. I'd prefer a heavy gauge steel one. I don't have the metal working skills to make one, but it would be a simple curved rectangular sheet of steel with two homes in front and two in back. It would then bolt right up.
Perhaps one of the Honda skid plates would work. :?: Then again, one might need to fabricate a skid plate for the LXT 400, but, as you said, it shouldn't require much work. ;)

Spud :)

[culcune]

Doc, if you can wait 3 months to rid yourself of the bike...

[Weldangrind]

Doc, you can easily find perforated aluminum plate in any guage you wish at a metal shop. Just give them the dimensions and they'll cut it out. It makes a great rad guard.

[FastDoc]

Good idea :idea:

Even though I plan to sell the bike it would be less worry for me and the next owner, and does not sound expensive.

[Weldangrind]

Fish, I'll be happy to check at Saga for you, but it will be more of the same. Really, nothing can beat quality hose from a company like Gates.

Another option is for us to keep an eye out on the trails for bikes that use hoses with similar bends. Can you remove and photograph the hoses for reference?

Sorry fellas. No rad hoses at Saga, although they do have several other parts in stock for the XY bikes. They're expecting a container in August, but that doesn't help you now. I had a look at the rad hose on a showroom bike, and they look poor. I'd certainly fabricate my own with whatever quality heater hose would fit, along with some elbows (good plastic, copper or stainless).

[Weldangrind]

Kawasaki engineered the radiators on either side of the wheel rather than in the middle where they could get damaged.

That's old school wisdom. The CR bikes from the eighties had the same setup; makes you wonder if the Chinese designers even thought about it. BTW, I have two rads from an '88 CR125 if anybody would like to try mounting them on an XY.

[FastDoc]

Good man Weld! Thanks for looking for us!

I don't need anything (now) and just for fun I sent an email to XY Canada to see how long it takes for them to ignore me. :wink:

I came across a mechanically inclined fellow in Walla Walla who wanted a clean low mileage DRZ and he's interested in looking at my PP as a cheaper alternative. :idea:

I also found a radiator shop who will repair my leak for $20-$30 so I should be good there as well :D . If I sell the bike I don't want the radiator repair to be temporary.

[FastDoc]

Chinese radiators vs. Japanese radiators:

This is why Japanese bikes cost more. Because they're worth it! :roll:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06808.jpg

KLX rad head on. You can't even see it. It's compleatly protected from sones, debris, impact.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06810.jpg

Right rad. Bolted on tight with shock absorbing mounts. Armored. Hoses compleatly out of harms way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06810.jpg

Left rad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06815.jpg

Protected and easy to access and check overflow bottle.

Now for the ChinaRad...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06811.jpg

Head on the fender provides some but not enough protection.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06813.jpg

Wide open and vunerable. Note the bolt holes to mount a cover/screen, but nothing it there...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06812.jpg

You can see some damage already.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06814.jpg

Impossible to access catch bottle. There are actually two of them. Both are opaque, and require removal of bodywork to check. Note China Ziptie...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06816.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06817.jpg

Skid plate needs improvement.

NOTE I am not bashing here, I dig this bike :D . Just pointing out the way the Chinese do things to save money. These are opportunities for the individual owner to improve the bike, and personalize it, and save thousands of dollars. :P

[SpudRider]

Thank you for taking the time to post the photographs, and explain the differences, Doc. :) Indeed, the Chinese do an excellent job copying/manufacturing the small displacement, air cooled engines. However, once you add water cooling, or a hybrid engine design, the motorcycle becomes more complex, and the opportunities for failure increase. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

Doc, the good news is that the rad has a huge frontal area, which means it will be very effective at cooling. As well, the threaded inserts are a nice touch; it will be very easy to add either perforated aluminum or stainless expanded metal (your choice, but perforated aluminum is lighter).

Most skidplates are complex, but yours will be simple to replicate. I'd use a solid piece of aluminum, heat and bend it as necessary and then drill holes to lighten it.

[FastDoc]

I'm at work now with antifreeze on my left ass cheek of my jeans and my left shoe and pants leg. :evil:

I think the upper hose is leaking at the raditor. I will stop at the parts store on the way home and try to find some hose that matches up.

FOR ALL PP400 OWWNERS:

Don't go by how your hoses look. Mine looked fine. Repalce them. They suck even new.

I'll fill the radfiator bfore I go home and it's only a 7 mile ride I should be fine but will watch the gauge.

Chinabikes. :roll:

[SpudRider]

I'm at work now with antifreeze on my left ass cheek of my jeans and my left shoe and pants leg. :evil:

I think the upper hose is leaking at the raditor. I will stop at the parts store on the way home and try to find some hose that matches up.

FOR ALL PP400 OWWNERS:

Don't go by how your hoses look. Mine looked fine. Repalce them. They suck even new.

I'll fill the radfiator bfore I go home and it's only a 7 mile ride I should be fine but will watch the gauge.

Chinabikes. :roll:
I'm glad your problem occurred in town, and not out in the wildnerness, Brother Bill. ;) I'm sure you will get the problem resolved, but I hope your warning will encourage other Xingyue 400 owners to put this bike through a good shakedown period before they venture too far from civilization. 8O

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

This would be a better bike to buy used from a responsable owner who shook out the bugs rather than buy new. After I have this bike a while it will be a real winner. Now it has real potential. :D

[FastDoc]

Not once did Q leak antifreeze on me and I never once changed it's coolant. :wink:

[FastDoc]

I hope the autoparts store will have a correct diameter hose.

[FastDoc]

Project stalled. Bike out of commission. :evil:

It uses 3/4" heater hose but the bends are too sharp. Also the chinaclamps won't hold.

I'm off to the store again for new USA clamps and hopefully some 90 degree elbows.

I don't think it was the radiator leaking but one of the hose connections although with it all apart I STILL can't find the leak...

I have officially been hurt by The Ring.

BTW 4 feet of quality heater hose? $36! 8O

[Weldangrind]

Probably cheaper than the Yamaha or Honda equivalent. :roll:

Try some copper elbows, like Kato recommended. As well, t-bolt clamps are excellent for such things; look for them at a plumbing supply shop that carries irrigation stuff.

[FastDoc]

Just got back from the parts store. They had elbows made for the 3/4" heater hose and I bought some good clamps. Project is back. It's SUNNY AND WARM I wanna ride this turkey!

[fishman10]

please let me know what you come up with.

[MICRider]

Project stalled. Bike out of commission. :evil:

It uses 3/4" heater hose but the bends are too sharp. Also the chinaclamps won't hold.

I'm off to the store again for new USA clamps and hopefully some 90 degree elbows.

I don't think it was the radiator leaking but one of the hose connections although with it all apart I STILL can't find the leak...

I have officially been hurt by The Ring.

BTW 4 feet of quality heater hose? $36! 8O

Ummm, what is the ring? Just curious :)

[FastDoc]

Hoses replaced run up and checked for leaks. Looks good. Back together I'm going for a ride!!! :D

[FastDoc]

please let me know what you come up with.

Will post pics for you. :wink:

[FastDoc]

Project stalled. Bike out of commission. :evil:

It uses 3/4" heater hose but the bends are too sharp. Also the chinaclamps won't hold.

I'm off to the store again for new USA clamps and hopefully some 90 degree elbows.

I don't think it was the radiator leaking but one of the hose connections although with it all apart I STILL can't find the leak...

I have officially been hurt by The Ring.

BTW 4 feet of quality heater hose? $36! 8O

Ummm, what is the ring? Just curious :)

Something Weld said about a movie. I never saw it. Apparantly it was about a ring with supernatural powers everyone wanted but somehow cursed them if they had it. Apt analogy...

[MICRider]

Project stalled. Bike out of commission. :evil:

It uses 3/4" heater hose but the bends are too sharp. Also the chinaclamps won't hold.

I'm off to the store again for new USA clamps and hopefully some 90 degree elbows.

I don't think it was the radiator leaking but one of the hose connections although with it all apart I STILL can't find the leak...

I have officially been hurt by The Ring.

BTW 4 feet of quality heater hose? $36! 8O

Ummm, what is the ring? Just curious :)

Something Weld said about a movie. I never saw it. Apparantly it was about a ring with supernatural powers everyone wanted but somehow cursed them if they had it. Apt analogy...

Oohh! I get it! The ring from Lord of the Rings! :) I thought it was a reference to you getting coolant on your posterior! Thank you for clarifying :lol: Hoping you get it fixed without too much grief.

[FastDoc]

The 'repair' is done.

First thing we need to set straight is FastDoc is not all that bright.

THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE RADIATOR.

THE HOSES WERE FINE TOO.

I replaced the hoses and flushed the radiator twice for no reason.

The 'problem' was a tiny air bleed hole on top of the left overflow bottle. A tiny piece of duct tape solved the problem, and if I thought about that in the first place I could have saved myself a lot of time and energy. :evil:

Oh well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06835.jpg

New clamps.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06834.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06833.jpg

New hose.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06832.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06831.jpg

Made with these...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06819.jpg

And this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06830.jpg

Perfectly good hose replaced for no reason other than my stupidity.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06823.jpg

Pretty tidy wiring for a CB.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06824.jpg

Temp sender (I think)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06827.jpg

Coil.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06828.jpg

The CDI looks different from any other CB I'm aware of but the connector looks the same as a Hondoid.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06821.jpg

The offender.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06829.jpg

Valve adjustments should be a breeze.

[JTCAndrew]

Don't Fret DOC - Been there done it......Thank you for all the great documentation on the Bike - Look at it like this - Your time and efforts will benifit future pp owners. Great Pictures, and write ups......I think I'm liking my 200cc Air Cooled engine much better. I have a NEW Appreciation for it.......

[SpudRider]

Thanks for posting the great photos, Doc! :) You did an excellent job replacing the coolant hose. I'm sure you prevented future problems. ;)

P.S. Did I mention I love the simplicity of air cooled engines? :lol:

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

It's too bad you don't have a wiring diagram for this bike, Doc. :( If the Xingyue employs a DC-CDI unit, it might be a low cost alternative to the Honda, XR650L, CDI unit. ;)

Spud :)

[david3921]

Doc,
I see the rectifier is tucked under the seat. I know what they do and all, but have read that the main cause of failure is because they don't get enough air passing over them. Is there any path for the air to reach it on your bike?

[Weldangrind]

Good detective work Doc. Decent quality heater hose is cheap insurance; don't regret that.

I wonder what rad cap and thermostat will fit your bike? They sure won't be specific to an XY.

[fishman10]

thanks for scarin the crap outta me doc,, now what cha gonna do with the old hoses? I would purchase them as you can see they are in better shape than mine.

[FastDoc]

The failed temp gauge is not the sender or any break I can find in the wire so I think it may be the gauge itself.

I don't plan to keep this bike so I'll leave it to the next owner to install a Vapor. That would be the right thing to do. Accurate speedo, tach and trip odo, all things this bike does not have. Plus a working temp gauge and all the cool extras.

For now this will work:

http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=RLC-80

[fishman10]

i was kiddin round doc,,,,i am so happy thats all it was and now i know how to fix mine so thanks !still inerested in your old ones tho.

[FastDoc]

thanks for scarin the crap outta me doc,, now what cha gonna do with the old hoses? I would purchase them as you can see they are in better shape than mine.

I only replaced the upper, left hose. As I said they were both fine even that one did not need changing. Which one do you need?

[FastDoc]

Trail rode the PP all day today and it is a great trail bike. I'm even starting to like, respect and maybe even trust it. :roll:

[fishman10]

my bottom one on the right side from the water pump up to rad.

[FastDoc]

Unfortuantly that's the one I did not replace. It can be done with the elbows and 3/4" heater hose, some cursing, a lot of thought and measurement. You don't even have to remove any bodywork or tank other than the shroud. 3 screws out in the open. I'll talk you through it. That and fresh antifree you could be riding tomorrow. The only issue is the proximity to the header pipe.

I hope to turn 1,000 miles tomorrow :D . Then if I can turn another 1,000 with no serious mechanical issues I will pronounce the bike reliable. Chinese but reliable... :roll:

[fishman10]

OK doc ,it looked to be the harder of the 2 cause the bends and the pipe,but I'm sure its doable

[FastDoc]

It would take 3 elbows and some time but it's better than not riding.

I checked to see if a Honda NX250 hose would work no joy.

ANOTHER IDEA: :idea:

Out of the box but I think it would work. Buy some 3/4" copper pipe and a tubing bender and have at it. Use 2 short hose sections to join it top and bottom. I bet you could get a plumber to make you one cheap if you show him the hose to duplicate.

[fishman10]

Hmmm , good idea,I know a plumber. BTW neither pitster or Xingyue canada has gotten back to me,and its been 2 weeks.

[FastDoc]

Hmmm , good idea,I know a plumber. BTW neither pitster or Xingyue canada has gotten back to me,and its been 2 weeks.

Get your plumber to make them up for you. I bet that's the best way.

Pitster and XY Canada both suck :evil: . A miracle may happen but I think we are on our own. At least when you get to ride the bike you will enjoy it. It really is great to ride. An excellent balance of power and weight. I had mine in the sand today and it flat out honked! It's great on trails and as a commuter. 70+ MPH highway is not it's forte though.

[roketa200E5]

How fast does this thing go?

[FastDoc]

81 GPS flat out tucked down as far as possible. I think it would go faster geared a tooth higher on the countershaft sprocket.

[roketa200E5]

81 GPS flat out tucked down as far as possible. I think it would go faster geared a tooth higher on the countershaft sprocket.

Nice! Was it stable at that speed?

[FastDoc]

A little twitchy... :wink:

The geometry of the bike is set up for responsiveness and reflexes in the dirt, at lower speeds. That will make it less stable at higer speeds, part of the Dual Sport tradeoff. On the other hand a Ninja won't go where this PP went today so it's all good. 8)

[Weldangrind]

I'd be inclined to believe that some fatter jetting and a less restrictive pipe would find more power. Chinese mufflers are notoriously restrictive.

[FastDoc]

Could be but my goal is to not spend money on this bike. I'm still upset with myself for buying $40 of hoses and clamps I didn't need... It's a philosophical thing... :wink:

I actually think the bike is jetted OK, and if anything fat or with very little enricher. Because it starts easy and runs well I will leave it to the next owner to modify.

I continue to debate whether to add aa Vapor or just leave it with an inop temp gauge. I removed and straightened the skid plate yesterday and inspected that the bottom of the motor and frame are unscathed.

FWIW I'm happy to eport that's all that's wrong with the bike and it iperates well. I should turn 1,000 miles today.

[fishman10]

i fixed my pp400 bottom radiator hose. First I tried what others had suggested and cut a little off each end to get behind the rotten area and reinstall. This did NOT work it barely fit back on and was too close to the exhaust now.So while I was getting the zong inspected I showed the scruffy old mechanic the pp400 hose and explained what I wanted to do. He sold me a 14'' of 3/4 heater hose and told me to go to the hardware store and buy a long loosely wound spring that would fit inside the hose and then i could bend it any which way i want.So $5.00 later its fixed its good to ask the old timers they have alot of wisdom.Believe this hose is not that long and has some pretty serious bends in it and NO WAY it would work without the spring inside to keep it from kinking or going the route with the elbows!

[FastDoc]

I'm really glad to hear that> I also considered the spring trick but thought the bends would still be too tight.

Now go for a ride!!!!

[roketa200E5]

A little twitchy... :wink:

The geometry of the bike is set up for responsiveness and reflexes in the dirt, at lower speeds. That will make it less stable at higer speeds, part of the Dual Sport tradeoff. On the other hand a Ninja won't go where this PP went today so it's all good. 8)

Indeed. Like Spud said, I really dig the simplicity of air cooled engines.

[roketa200E5]

i fixed my pp400 bottom radiator hose. First I tried what others had suggested and cut a little off each end to get behind the rotten area and reinstall. This did NOT work it barely fit back on and was too close to the exhaust now.So while I was getting the zong inspected I showed the scruffy old mechanic the pp400 hose and explained what I wanted to do. He sold me a 14'' of 3/4 heater hose and told me to go to the hardware store and buy a long loosely wound spring that would fit inside the hose and then i could bend it any which way i want.So $5.00 later its fixed its good to ask the old timers they have alot of wisdom.Believe this hose is not that long and has some pretty serious bends in it and NO WAY it would work without the spring inside to keep it from kinking or going the route with the elbows!

That's just smart thinking period.

[roketa200E5]

Could be but my goal is to not spend money on this bike. I'm still upset with myself for buying $40 of hoses and clamps I didn't need... It's a philosophical thing... :wink:

I actually think the bike is jetted OK, and if anything fat or with very little enricher. Because it starts easy and runs well I will leave it to the next owner to modify.

I continue to debate whether to add aa Vapor or just leave it with an inop temp gauge. I removed and straightened the skid plate yesterday and inspected that the bottom of the motor and frame are unscathed.

FWIW I'm happy to eport that's all that's wrong with the bike and it iperates well. I should turn 1,000 miles today.

Well, if you're not going to keep the bike, then what's the point.

[fishman10]

Yes its always a good day when you learn something useful,,,,an imaginery middle finger salute to pitster and xingyue canada for never gettin back to me about this.

[FastDoc]

Is your bike good to ride now? The PP400 is really a GREAT trailbike/commuter to ride.

[fishman10]

yea ,should be good to go now, was not ridin it much do to the hose being cracked,,go figure I just finished it rode it round the yard and its startin to rain which all its been doing for weeks here in the northeast. DOc at least spring for a one tooth bigger front sprocket or tell me which one it is and I'll do it and report back. The spring insde the hose worked amazing , and once i got the spring streched to the entire length of the hose worked without any kinks,, I'll try and get a pic when i have time.

[SpudRider]

i fixed my pp400 bottom radiator hose. First I tried what others had suggested and cut a little off each end to get behind the rotten area and reinstall. This did NOT work it barely fit back on and was too close to the exhaust now.So while I was getting the zong inspected I showed the scruffy old mechanic the pp400 hose and explained what I wanted to do. He sold me a 14'' of 3/4 heater hose and told me to go to the hardware store and buy a long loosely wound spring that would fit inside the hose and then i could bend it any which way i want.So $5.00 later its fixed its good to ask the old timers they have alot of wisdom.Believe this hose is not that long and has some pretty serious bends in it and NO WAY it would work without the spring inside to keep it from kinking or going the route with the elbows!
There is no substitute for experience. ;) Thanks for passing along the tip, Fish. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I think this is it. I think we run a 14 stock and it looks like a 15 will fit fine.

http://www.jtsprockets.com/52.0.html?&L=0&sel_uid=5058&p=

[Weldangrind]

i fixed my pp400 bottom radiator hose. First I tried what others had suggested and cut a little off each end to get behind the rotten area and reinstall. This did NOT work it barely fit back on and was too close to the exhaust now.So while I was getting the zong inspected I showed the scruffy old mechanic the pp400 hose and explained what I wanted to do. He sold me a 14'' of 3/4 heater hose and told me to go to the hardware store and buy a long loosely wound spring that would fit inside the hose and then i could bend it any which way i want.So $5.00 later its fixed its good to ask the old timers they have alot of wisdom.Believe this hose is not that long and has some pretty serious bends in it and NO WAY it would work without the spring inside to keep it from kinking or going the route with the elbows!

Fish, spring steel is not normally stainless, so I'm concerned about two things: rust and flow restriction. You made a really cool repair that got you up and running, but I'd use plastic or copper elbows asap to prevent trouble.

[FastDoc]

i fixed my pp400 bottom radiator hose. First I tried what others had suggested and cut a little off each end to get behind the rotten area and reinstall. This did NOT work it barely fit back on and was too close to the exhaust now.So while I was getting the zong inspected I showed the scruffy old mechanic the pp400 hose and explained what I wanted to do. He sold me a 14'' of 3/4 heater hose and told me to go to the hardware store and buy a long loosely wound spring that would fit inside the hose and then i could bend it any which way i want.So $5.00 later its fixed its good to ask the old timers they have alot of wisdom.Believe this hose is not that long and has some pretty serious bends in it and NO WAY it would work without the spring inside to keep it from kinking or going the route with the elbows!

Fish, spring steel is not normally stainless, so I'm concerned about two things: rust and flow restriction. You made a really cool repair that got you up and running, but I'd use plastic or copper elbows asap to prevent trouble.

As far as restriction goes I would not worry. The 3/4 inch pipe is overkill for this machine and even a 25% restriction I don't think would matter.

As far as rust goes I thought about that too... As long as its submerged in coolant (no oxygen) there should be no rust. Also coolant has rust retardant of some sort in it. Worth a check after a week or three though... :wink:

[fishman10]

radiator hoses have had springs placed inside for a very very long time

[FastDoc]

What about this for a quality and inexpensive/easy to install solution?

http://trailtech.net/tto_temperature.html

[fishman10]

doc , that looks like it would work fine.Also I believe you are correct ,any modern anti freeze has crrosion protection , so it shouldnt be an issue ,guess I could easily check on it.As far as flow restriction the spring i bought was a tight fit to the inside wall of the hose and had to be helped and kinda forced thru so its fairly free flowing as you said ,,shouldnt be an issue ,,but i'll watch the gauge and see,,,I seem to rember some of my old vehicles having springs on the inside of a radiator hose ,anyone else remember ?

[FastDoc]

Yup I remember.

I am old.

I hope your gauge is accurate. Mine wavered quite a bit before it died. Sometimes it would bounce violently from 1/4 to 3/4 so I figured I was at 1/2 temp. No numbers on it...

[fishman10]

mine seems to work fine so far,but I only have 50 miles on it,but now I can test it out if the weather ever gets better!

[FastDoc]

mine seems to work fine so far,but I only have 50 miles on it,but now I can test it out if the weather ever gets better!

Mine started to waver at about 500 miles and took a $#@! for real at 850 miles. Today I should hit 1,000 miles which is like the world record for PP400 endurance... :roll:

[SpudRider]

What about this for a quality and inexpensive/easy to install solution?

http://trailtech.net/tto_temperature.html
That's a nice find, Doc, but it's still $45. A Trail Tech Vapor computer doesn't cost much more. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

More time and energy to install. Plus when I sell the PP if the new owner wants to upgrade the instruments I'll put the little gauge on my ATV. 8)

[SpudRider]

More time and energy to install. Plus when I sell the PP if the new owner wants to upgrade the instruments I'll put the little gauge on my ATV. 8)
That sounds good to me. :) Nice find, Doc. ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

radiator hoses have had springs placed inside for a very very long time

Certainly. All lower rad hoses have springs inside to prevent cavitation, but I doubt that they're of hardware store spring construction. I'd just hate to see rust introduced into your engine; it seems that the plastic elbow route is risk-free.

[fishman10]

Ahh ,,w&g I see your point, I'll keep an eye on it, but on this particular hose it had alot of bends that were in a short confined space, unlike the top hose that doc fixed ,hope it holds up!

[Weldangrind]

Do you know any electricians? Maybe you can borrow an EMT bender and play with making a custom pipe out of 3/4" copper, and you could join the ends with heater hose and gear clamps. If you want a really secure joint, use stainless t-bolt clamps. They cost a little more, but you won't need many.

[Weldangrind]

Another thought: Spring wire is commonly placed on the outside of rigid tube to allow you to bend it by hand. Perhaps that would allow you to make a custom bend without the kinks.

[FastDoc]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06841.jpg

:D

[Weldangrind]

That's pretty cool. 8) May you have many more happy miles while you're the caretaker.

[SpudRider]

Rack them up, Brother Bill. :) You only have 39,000 more miles to ride before you catch me on my Zong. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

Nuts Spud!

That's more than I have on my Gold Wing!

[FastDoc]

I installed the Trail Tech temp gauge. Highly recommended. Nice small unit. No real wiring, runs off a battery. Total install time 15 minutes. Very easy and accurate. I ordered it Monday and it's on the bike today. Good service!

[SpudRider]

I installed the Trail Tech temp gauge. Highly recommended. Nice small unit. No real wiring, runs off a battery. Total install time 15 minutes. Very easy and accurate. I ordered it Monday and it's on the bike today. Good service!
Thanks for the good report, Doc. :) From whom did you purchase the unit? Do you have any photos? ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I'll take some pics. $45 directly from Trail Tech. You can use it to monitor CHT or coolant temp. Weighs maybe an ounce.

[FastDoc]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06842.jpg

I simply used the two sided tape to put it over the inop gauge.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06843.jpg

Simple splice into the coolant return line.

[SpudRider]

I simply used the two sided tape to put it over the inop gauge.

Simple splice into the coolant return line.
Thanks for posting the tip, and the nice photos, Doc. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

1110 miles. It's a fun bike. It really fills it's mission well.

[Weldangrind]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06843.jpg

That's really cool. 8) I wonder if you can buy that tee with the temp guage bung separately.

[SpudRider]

That's really cool. 8) I wonder if you can buy that tee with the temp guage bung separately.
Yes, you can buy the temperature sensors separately. :)

http://trailtech.net/temperature_sensors.html

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for the link. I'm actually asking about the tee that splices in to the hose, minus the sensor. I'm interested in the hose connection, because it would be an easy way to connect a capillary style gauge.

[SpudRider]

Thanks for the link. I'm actually asking about the tee that splices in to the hose, minus the sensor. I'm interested in the hose connection, because it would be an easy way to connect a capillary style gauge.
Sorry; I didn't read carefully enough. :roll: You might try telephoning Trail Tech, and asking them if they will sell you the tee, minus the sensor. ;) Trail Tech is noted for its excellent customer service. :) In fact, I once called asking them about magnets for their speed sensors; they sent me a free magnet, even though I told them I didn't own one of their computers! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I have the PP scheduled for a 60+ mile off road only ride at my patients giant wilderness riding area. Roger will be on his KLX. We will have a gas can in the Ranger. Also sandwiches and something to drink. We can ride, then relax at the truck then ride some more. I'm really looking forward to it.

I estimate 60 miles because that's what we put on the KLRs when we were there 3 weeks ago.

[FastDoc]

The PP continues to earn my respect. Roger and I rode 4 hours of some pretty challenging desert terrain, including sand dunes. The PP did great! It is proving to be a nice motorcycle. All it needed was some love, attention, and most importantly, use.

Please enjoy the pics and video I'll post in the Ride Report section.

[fishman10]

were you able to figure out the front fork adjustments at the top and bottom,mine seems too soft and too quick to compress.

[FastDoc]

You adjust the compression on the bottom. I tightened mine by 2 clicks. will probably go another 2.

[FastDoc]

Does anyone with an owner's manual to this thing know how to replace the tailight bulb?

[FastDoc]

What is the number of screws, nuts and bolts that need to be removed to replace the taillight bulb in a PP400?

Ten. :evil:

Plus if you don't have a right angle screwdriver you'd also need to pull the muffler off.

We don't need to worry about China taking the world over anytime soon. These guys can't think. :roll:

[SpudRider]

What is the number of screws, nuts and bolts that need to be removed to replace the taillight bulb in a PP400?

Ten. :evil:

Plus if you don't have a right angle screwdriver you'd also need to pull the muffler off.

We don't need to worry about China taking the world over anytime soon. These guys can't think. :roll:
Yikes! 8O

Spud :roll:

[2LZ]

Hmmmmm..... :? Still highly critical of the "Amazingly Underestimated PP400", are we? 8)
If you think that's bad....don't try a water pump on your Ranger! :lol: 8)

[FastDoc]

I replaced the fan on the Ranger. With the proper special tools it was not bad. I think the waterpump is behind the fan. It is due for a serpintine belt though. I've not replaced one of those before...

The PP soldiers on!

Some guy posted a CL ad looking to buy a PP street legal bike and I just left a message on his machine...

http://kpr.craigslist.org/mcy/2341320957.html

[SpudRider]

I replaced the fan on the Ranger. With the proper special tools it was not bad. I think the waterpump is behind the fan. It is due for a serpintine belt though. I've not replaced one of those before...

The PP soldiers on!

Some guy posted a CL ad looking to buy a PP street legal bike and I just left a message on his machine...

http://kpr.craigslist.org/mcy/2341320957.html
Reel him in, Doc! ;)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

I replaced the fan on the Ranger. With the proper special tools it was not bad. I think the waterpump is behind the fan. It is due for a serpintine belt though. I've not replaced one of those before...

The PP soldiers on!

Some guy posted a CL ad looking to buy a PP street legal bike and I just left a message on his machine...

http://kpr.craigslist.org/mcy/2341320957.html

Too bad he's looking for a pit bike. Still, you won't have any trouble selling it when the time comes.

A serpentine belt is cake on every vehicle I've worked on. It just takes a 1/2" breaker bar and it usually slips into a square hole in the tensioner bracket. Pull on the bracket and the belt just about falls off.

If there isn't a diagram on the rad support, make sure you draw one first so you know how to route the new belt.

[FastDoc]

The pic he posted is of a pit bike, but this is America. Bigger is better! Plus I'm asking for less than PP asks for their pit bikes. I've not heard from him BTW.

Thanks for the encouragement on the fanbelt, Weld. I'm sure I'll egt it done OK, it's just that I've never done one. There is a diagram on a decal.

[FastDoc]

This was a first.

The speedometer cable casing broke at the hub. Not the cable but the casing.

Now get this. For some reason I saved 2 of Q's cable casings, without the inner cable which was broken from Q. The casings were an exact match! So I replaced the casing and all is good. I even have another spare if this replacement fails. :D

So it turns out that XY cloned a Suzuki speedometer cable.

This may be helpful to someone.

1,250 miles. :P

[SpudRider]

That just goes to show you; it pays to save stuff! Nice fix, Doc. :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

It's a small thing, but a God thing :D . I had no reason to save those casings. Another miracle is I knew where they were and found them right away. :lol:

[SpudRider]

It's a small thing, but a God thing :D . I had no reason to save those casings. Another miracle is I knew where they were and found them right away. :lol:
It is wise to appreciate all our blessings, especially the little ones. ;)

Spud :D

[Weldangrind]

I wonder if several bikes use that specific cable and housing; it seems reasonable that other makes and models would accept the same gland nut.

Of course, I'm not downplaying the obvious divine help. :D

[fishman10]

doc and other pp400 owners ,I finally found the oil leak that mine had since new,I degreased the area and started it up and watched.oil was seeping out around the oil filter cover,,,upon further inspection the O-ring was smashed on about 1/3 of its surface,,,,,do they give you a new o-ring with a new filter?

[FastDoc]

Mine was doing that too. I replaced the O-Ring right away after I got the bike home. It did not leak enough to lose anything, but it was annoying. I hate leaks. :evil:

BTW, Fish, if you have a manual how are we suposed to check the oil in these things? Screw the dipstick cap in or not? Fill it to the first mark or the second? Bike vertical I assume?

I've been treating it like an XR (which the bottom end sorta is) and not screwing the dipstick in and filling it to the second mark.

Thanks in advance. :P

1,400 miles.

[fishman10]

I was just gonna ask you the same thing! Im doing it the way you are. Where did you get the o-ring? did it come with a new filter?

[fishman10]

OK i found the manual,, according to it we are doing it correct.Bike vertical, dont screw cap in fill to the upper mark.

[FastDoc]

Thanks, Fish.

Some brands of filters come with the O-Ring. Fram I think is an example. I used one from a O-Ring storehouse kit from Harbor Freight. They are fairly standard. Bring yours to the hardware store and match it up with something. Cheap and easy.

[FastDoc]

How has your PP been treating you? have you been able to enjoy it? :D

[fishman10]

Hmmm, My harbor freight kit didnt have any this big,but thanks for the hardware store suggestion.Like you i think this could be a a good bike,,especially if PITSTER would stand behind them,,,thats the part that concerns me most cause not enough is known about what fits the pp400,and getting info or parts from pitster is like the pirates winnin the world series,,,,it aint happenin!

[FastDoc]

I don't follow sports but I know enough about baseball to know that that analogy is funny, but sad and likely correct. :(

[FastDoc]

What is under this rectangular cover?

I hear a knocking sound when the engine is at a low idle speed :cry: . It goes away at any other speed. It also occurs when the rear wheel is chattering under power in the dirt. It never occurs during street riding. It sounds like something like a loose counterbalancer chain but I don't know.

Looking at microfiche it appears we were wrong thinking this bottom end was an XR250. It seems to be like an NX250, BUT the NX does not have this little rectangular cover. I'm afraid it is a faithful copy of nothing.

Any ideas?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06912.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06911.jpg

[Weldangrind]

:?:

I'd guess that it's a cartridge filter, if it didn't already have a cylindrical filter. Hmmm...

Please drain the oil and remove the cover. You have piqued my curiosity. BTW, beware that coolant could come out of there, so you should drain that too.

[FastDoc]

I know the round cover is the oil filter. I have had the other one off to change a leaky O-Ring and there were some mechanical bits in there I did not pay attention to. If I lay the bike 45 degrees on it's left I can remove the cover with the oil in it without spilling.

I don't know what the noise is, it is a pretty distinctive knock. Almost sounds like excessive lash somewhere... :?

[SpudRider]

The bottom end of the Xingyue, 400cc engine is based on a Honda, NX250 engine. The NX250 engine has electric start, and water cooling, which differs from the XR250R engine. ;)

I agree with Weldangrind, Doc. ;) I suggest your drain the engine oil, and coolant, and remove the rectangular cover to discover what is underneath. 8O

Spud :)

[2LZ]

I don't know what the noise is, it is a pretty distinctive knock. Almost sounds like excessive lash somewhere... :?
What you're explaining is the EXACT sound a Vic and some HD's make. It's a (normal) lashing sound, under mostly no-load, that comes from a compensator sprocket or gear, depending on bike. Sometimes they make noise, other times they won't. It was a customer complaint in some early Vics. Not harmful at all, just a little noisy sometimes, so they reengineered the compensator.
Long story short, it's usually a two piece gear or spring setup that helps with the sudden jolt of shifting, usually located on the end of the crank, where your primary drive connects from the clutch/trans.
Not sure if you have one of those or not.

[FastDoc]

Hang on I'll make a video...

[FastDoc]

Two videos added.

The knocking sound was not well picked up, but the cam chain sound was. Funny. Maybe I held the camera too close.

Anyways you can hear it OK when the motor goes really slowly and quits.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/th_MOV06914.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/?action=view&current=MOV06914.mp4)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/th_MOV06915.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/?action=view&current=MOV06915.mp4)

[FastDoc]

Pics under the cover:

I did not see anything to adjust in there. I started the motor with the cover off and I did not see anything rattling around.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06923.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06922.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06920.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06917.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06916.jpg

It looked like a way to access the shift star.

Pics of the cam chain tensioner.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/DSC06925.jpg

It's made of plastic!

I tightend it manually for what felt like a snug fit and much, but not all of the noise went away. I think this is my culprit, due to a loose cam chain.

[FastDoc]

I will now go for a ride. On my Kawasaki. :roll:

[SpudRider]

Since your LXT 400 has a manual, cam chain tensioner, I think you discovered the problem, Doc. ;) Needless to say, I prefer the automatic, cam chain tensioners. :)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

http://www.canampartshouse.com/canam-parts.aspx?aribrand=BRP#/Can-Am_(Bombardier)/Outlander_400_EFI%2c_2009/01-_Cylinder_Head/51381/51267

Sure enough the part looks identical to the Rotax part.

[SpudRider]

http://www.canampartshouse.com/canam-parts.aspx?aribrand=BRP#/Can-Am_(Bombardier)/Outlander_400_EFI%2c_2009/01-_Cylinder_Head/51381/51267

Sure enough the part looks identical to the Rotax part.
I was told the 400cc, Xingyue motor has a Rotax top end; therefore, I'm not surprised, Brother Bill. ;) I must say, I'm surprised Rotax is employing a manual, cam chain tensioner. :roll:

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

The Rotax parts are really reasonably priced; I wonder if they're plastic as well?

[2LZ]

The beauty is Doc....the parts are readily available! :D ....and Rotax doesn't make junk. Long heritage of making sturdy, reliable units.
Looks like it's time for an oil change too. Rotella T6, maybe? 8)

[FastDoc]

You are right on all counts, 2LZ.

This oil has about 1,100 miles on it, about half off road. I owe the future owner an oil change I guess.

I am glad that the parts are available, although I don't need any (I think :roll: ) at this time.

[SpudRider]

The beauty is Doc....the parts are readily available! :D ....and Rotax doesn't make junk. Long heritage of making sturdy, reliable units.
Looks like it's time for an oil change too. Rotella T6, maybe? 8)
Many of the Rotax engines are made in China. It's not a coincidence that Doc's Xingyue engine has a "Rotax" top end. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I know it was supposed to be but it was nice to get confirmation. So we have confirmed that top and bottom engine parts are readily available. That's a relief. :wink:

I rode it to work today, and the sound is definatly much less, almost gone except at speeds below normal idle. I'll leave it as is. The future owner may want to upgrade to a high performance chain adjuster. :D

[2LZ]

I rode it to work today, and the sound is definatly much less, almost gone except at speeds below normal idle. I'll leave it as is. The future owner may want to upgrade to a high performance chain adjuster. :D
Ya know Doc,.... I don't know if it has to do with the larger capacity thumper or what, but my buddy across the street has a 2009 Honda CRF 450 that is virtually brand new. Has less than 100 miles on it. The thing is a beast, to be sure....but man....it's unbelievably mechanically thrashy! It sounds like it's going to grenade at any moment....new! 8O
It just sounds like that, naturally. I was shocked being a real Honda.

[FastDoc]

KLR's 'clack' quite a bit too. I think it is a large thumper thing to a degree. A louder exhaust would fix it! 8)

[katoranger]

KLR's 'clack' quite a bit too. I think it is a large thumper thing to a degree. A louder exhaust would fix it! 8)

I noticed that with the KLR that was in my possession.

[SpudRider]

My Honda XR650L doesn't make "clacking" noises; neither does my Zong. I think it all depends on the bike's design. ;) In any event, I'm glad you discovered the solution, Doc! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I've ridden at least a half dozen KLR's, a lot. Maybe 30,000 miles on KLR's. They all 'clack' but I liked it. :D

[SpudRider]

I've ridden at least a half dozen KLR's, a lot. Maybe 30,000 miles on KLR's. They all 'clack' but I liked it. :D
The KLR650 bikes have a chain driven counterbalancer, which is tensioned by the notorious "dohicky." I believe the "clack" originates from this source. ;)

Spud :)

[BrianW]

Any idea yet as to what kind of rear sprocket will fit the PP? I searched for a 14t countershaft sprocket, with no luck.

[SpudRider]

Any idea yet as to what kind of rear sprocket will fit the PP? I searched for a 14t countershaft sprocket, with no luck.
Did you buy an LXT 400, Brian? :?:

LXT 400 owners might find some useful information in the following thread. :)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322268

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I would think any front sprocket for an NX250 would work, no guarantees though. :D

I have received a lot of interest in the PP, I hope to sell it today :D .

Ethics prohibit me from getting back what I paid, I'm in for a loss :cry: . Indeed if the buyer does not bring it up himself, and he has cash, I intend to let it go for $1,000, despite asking $1,200. I also tell people up fron tthere is a noise that may be easy (clutch?) or difficult (rod?). I only plan to show it to people who fancy themselves mechanically inclined.

Indeed the guy who is supoed to look at it today is a farm hand who needs a commuter bike that he can ride out on the dirt and gravel farm access roads too. He is mechanically inclined so this may be a good bike/deal for him.

I'd rather lose some money (indeed any Earthly posession) than disappoint God and take advantage of anyone in this (or any) transaction.

[SpudRider]

...I have received a lot of interest in the PP, I hope to sell it today :D ...
Good for you, Doc. :)
...Ethics prohibit me from getting back what I paid, I'm in for a loss :cry: . Indeed if the buyer does not bring it up himself, and he has cash, I intend to let it go for $1,000, despite asking $1,200. I also tell people up fron tthere is a noise that may be easy (clutch?) or difficult (rod?). I only plan to show it to people who fancy themselves mechanically inclined.

Indeed the guy who is supoed to look at it today is a farm hand who needs a commuter bike that he can ride out on the dirt and gravel farm access roads too. He is mechanically inclined so this may be a good bike/deal for him.

I'd rather lose some money (indeed any Earthly posession) than disappoint God and take advantage of anyone in this (or any) transaction.
Amen, Brother Bill. ;) I assume you would not sell a brand new Konker motorcycle, as is, with a cracked front fork, and let the new owner endanger his life by riding it on the public highways, let alone expect him to find the replacement part, and pay for it out of his own pocket! 8O

Spud :evil:

[FastDoc]

You got that rirght, Brother Spud. I have to answer to a higher power, One to whom I owe my life. I'd set fire to the PP and watch it burn before disappointing Him by taking advantage of someone.

Similarly I (or ANY of us I'm sure) would never let an obviously unsafe motorcycle out of my shop. A possible exception to that would be, "Here's the bike. Don't ride it until you fix the fork. I'm knocking $300 off the price to cover that." That would be acceptable.

[SpudRider]

You got that rirght, Brother Spud. I have to answer to a higher power, One to whom I owe my life. I'd set fire to the PP and watch it burn before disappointing Him by taking advantage of someone.

Similarly I (or ANY of us I'm sure) would never let an obviously unsafe motorcycle out of my shop. A possible exception to that would be, "Here's the bike. Don't ride it until you fix the fork. I'm knocking $300 off the price to cover that." That would be acceptable.
Amen! May God bless you, Brother Bill! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

He does, Much more than I deserve. I just pray He doesn't pull a 'Job' on me and let Satan mess with my blessings...

'Behold My servant FastDoc...'

8O

[BrianW]

Any idea yet as to what kind of rear sprocket will fit the PP? I searched for a 14t countershaft sprocket, with no luck.
Did you buy an LXT 400, Brian? :?:


Spud :)

Thanks for the link, Spud. Yes, I purchased Fishman10's LXT400. I have been meaning to post up about it, but I have not had much of a chance to ride it. It had 55 miles on it when I took possession, now I am approaching 350. I will report further soon.

[FastDoc]

These bikes are excellent at changing hands. :?

The other nuisances I could have lived with, typical Chinabike stuff, but this engine noise, possibly a rod, is NOT OK :evil: . Although I am glad I was able to help Daddy469 at the time, and I did have some fun with it, I regret buying this pig and the significant financial loss I expect to take on it. I hope I sell it tonight. I will sell it cheaply enough that even IF it needs an entire new engine it will still be a fair deal for the buyer.

I took it in the shorts with three Chinabikes. The ZS250GS with no compression, a Kinroad 250 dual exhaust streetbike (actually I lost no money on that because I bought it so cheaply, but it was a crappy bike), and this PP400.

[FastDoc]

At 1,500 miles I think I hold the high mileage record for this particular model however... :roll:

[BrianW]

Doc, I commend you for the mileage. The seat of this bike is torturous.

[FastDoc]

Its the worst pain in the arse I've had since I was married.





8O

[FastDoc]

Again recall I had plenty of good to say about the bikes performance, but a motor threatening to grenade after 1,500 well maintained miles and no abuse is not acceptable.

Some recommendations for you if you plan to keep the bike:

-Add a high quality temp gauge. I recommend to TTO from Trail Tech, about $40.

-Change the oil maybe every few hundred miles. Seriously. And check it every fillup. This thing consumes oil quickly without leaking or smoking.

-Stay on the street. I don't think it's tranny can take the extra beating of off road riding.

-Be prepared for coolant and oil leaks.

-The chain wears VERY fast. at 1,500 miles mine is 3/4 streached to the snail adjusters limits.

-Check the cam chain tensioner.

-Fill it up every 80 miles. The reserve is a placebo, and the tank size is 2.5 gallons, and mileage can be as low as the low 40's.


-Sell it before it pukes.

[FastDoc]

If you include what I paid for tax and registration and repairs I lost about $700 on the PP. That's about 50 cents/mile. I'm glad it's gone and my conscience is clear. I was very up front about the bikes issues. Even if the new owner, Carlos, needs to repower it he got his money's worth.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/maule/2-60.jpg

[SpudRider]

...I took it in the shorts with three Chinabikes. The ZS250GS with no compression, a Kinroad 250 dual exhaust streetbike (actually I lost no money on that because I bought it so cheaply, but it was a crappy bike), and this PP400.
Of course you realize, this is a Chinese motorcycle forum, Brother Bill. :roll: Will you say something good about the Zongshen 200GY-2 you owned? :lol:

Spud :)

[MICRider]

Almost every day I thank my lucky stars I never bought the 400 D/P from xingyue canada... Their slippery salesmen and lack of prompt responses really set my spider senses tingling. I am starting to think that this is one of the poorliest made motorcycles ever. The Chinese attempt to put a larger displacement bike in the hands of North Americans. The small displacement air cooled bikes seem to be what they do best. Why mess with a proven recipe? For the larger displacement bikes I think I will stick with proven designs :)

[FastDoc]

...I took it in the shorts with three Chinabikes. The ZS250GS with no compression, a Kinroad 250 dual exhaust streetbike (actually I lost no money on that because I bought it so cheaply, but it was a crappy bike), and this PP400.
Of course you realize, this is a Chinese motorcycle forum, Brother Bill. :roll: Will you say something good about the Zongshen 200GY-2 you owned? :lol:

Spud :)

The ZS200 Sierra was an excellent little bike. Good quality and performance, comfortable and a lot of fun to ride. If I didn't crash it, and already have a Q at the time, I would have kept it, ESPECIALLY based on your amazing reliability and longevity reports, Brother Spud. The ZS250 was a different animal. Different clone, different bike, and different track record. Indeed there are few Japanese, or European bikes that have the trouble free mileage you have on your ZS, Brother Spud.

I maintain that the Q's and the ZS Sierras are the Cadillacs of the CB world, and the equal of the Japanes bikes they were derived from.