hs200gy ignition button

[bbbdan777]

hey ive always had this problem since i got my bike last month but i never made a big deal out of it because the kick start still works, but the ignition button doesnt start up the bike. I checked the wires up front by the handlebars and its connected. Does this model not come with a starter installled already or is it supposed to be able to start the bike? If so what could be the issue?

[MICRider]

Do you have to apply the handbrake when you try to start it? My china quads are like that though I don't know if the bikes are the same?

[bbbdan777]

i just tried it out, still not workin

[MICRider]

Okay, it was just an idea. My ATV's wont turn over if you don't pull the brake when your trying to crank it. Hopefully some of the other fellow's that have GY's chime in, they might have some better ideas.

[Weldangrind]

If you show us a pic of the left side of the engine, we can point out the starter. Have you tried holding the clutch and the brake? Do you even hear a click? What is the voltage of the battery with the engine off?

[SpudRider]

Please post some photos, Dan. :) Once we verify you have a starter motor, we can help you troubleshoot the problem better. ;)

Spud :)

[Thorgram]

I had a similar problem but it had to do with the Ignition Key Switch. Something went wonky in there and the connection wasn't getting made so no power was getting to the button, so I had to re-route some wires. If seems like it might be a possibility let me know and I'll see which wires I tweaked.

[bbbdan777]

If you show us a pic of the left side of the engine, we can point out the starter. Have you tried holding the clutch and the brake? Do you even hear a click? What is the voltage of the battery with the engine off?'

No , i dont even hear a click, I took it to autozone and the voltage was set to be around 12 volts, everything else like the lights are working. Yea holding the clutch and break didnt work either. Here is a pic. lemme know if you guys need any other info.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/Starter040.jpg
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/Starter046.jpg
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/Starter048.jpg
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/Starter044.jpg

[Weldangrind]

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/Starter040.jpg

That's the starter, and we can likely fix your problem. Step one, does the brake light operate along with the brake?

[bbbdan777]

yes sir, it does. the headlights, turn signals, and horn are in working order too. All electricals are working except the starter.

[Weldangrind]

You'll likely have a safety switch that must be closed before the solenoid will receive power. Yours could be a brake switch or a clutch switch (my money is on the brake).

Do you have a digital multimeter? If not, you need to buy one. Harbor Freight has them for less than $10.

[katoranger]

My bike had a clutch switch. Either the clutch needs to be pulled in or the bike in neutral to start.

[bbbdan777]

ive tried the hitting the brake, clutch, neutral with ignition in , no dice. Im pretty upset with myself too. I was doing some rerouting and im afraid i caused another issue. When i switched the wires some smoke came out from underneath the gas tank from one of the wires. After this i immediately put the wires back to how they were but now the "0" light and other lights/turn signals/horn etc wont turn on unless the bike is kick started and is on thus powered by the alternator. I believe the battery terminal shorted therefor making the entire system powered by the alternator, but thats just my guess. I got some pictures and ill show you which wires i switched for you guys to understand where to problem is coming from. -worst comes to worst i may have to gut the thing and see which wire fried.- thats when finals are over tho.

THis is a picture o the actual solenoid
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/screwup012.jpg

This is a picture of the wires coming from the ignition switch.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/screwup015.jpg

These two are pictures of clutch wires
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/screwup022.jpg
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/screwup024.jpg

Lastly a picture of the Brake wires.
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/bbbdan777/screwup031.jpg

And thats all the pictures pretty much. Just lemme know if you got questions or something. But basically what happened, getting back to the wires smoking, was that i hooked up where the ignition switch green wire was with the green brake light wire the inking back to what you guys said about there being some sort of safety feature requiring the brake to be down, but no dice haha. I messed up the battery circuit so now the lights wont turn on less i kick start the bike and get that alternator rolling. Anyways, thats pretty much everything i can think of to the T. thanks guys.

[bbbdan777]

also, would everyone be able to advice me which wires hook up to the solenoid, because i thought i did have them hooked up right and still not working right. Maybe its something else thats wrong with the starter or solenoid?

[bbbdan777]

anyone know where i should start at?

[Weldangrind]

I'd start with repairing whatever damage occurred from the smoking wires.

[bbbdan777]

ya def. ima start getting on that this tuesday. ima take it all apart so i can look at the source of the wires, and ill solder and replace the burnt wire or fuse or w/e the part of the wire is damaged which is no problem, but getting that starter to work initially is gonna be hard to get working. Its either trial and error, which means lots of smokin' wires like what happened, or i somehow get the info or wits to figure which wires hook up to that main starter solenoid and all. I was hoping one of y'all could tell by looking at that solenoid photo. If not its still cool, you guys have helped me more than anyone else i can think of as is, free of charge, you of all man.

[Weldangrind]

We're happy to help, but we won't be able to troubleshoot much more until the damage is repaired. Let us know after you get to that point.

[bbbdan777]

i just found and fixed the damaged part, just the simple fuse by the battery was blown and had an extra in there too, i thought it was a worse damage. The starter is still not working tho. I hit the ignition button with the keys in and all the brake and clutch and all, still not workin, its not even making any noise or sound in response to the button. Seems to me its electrical. What do the two wires coming from the clutch do? there are two wires that hook up to the clutch that dont do anything i can see. I hooked them clutch wires up to the same color wires when i routed it as you can see in the picture. Im wondering if those wires have to be switched with the ones connected to the ignition button and to the solenoid.