Yingang YG200-2F

[jaxtell]

Anyone have experience with the Yingang YG200-2F? Looks pretty cool....

http://www.massimomotor.com/CGI-BIN/YG200-2F-4.jpg

Or Yingang or Massimo?

Thanks,
jerry

[BrianW]

Welcome to the boards!

A lot of research done on Yingang by forum member Oengus found here.

http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10972&highlight=

[jaxtell]

I read that one.
They also have this bike that looks like the other gy200 /200gy bikes:
http://massimomotor.com/CGI-BIN/YG250-8-1.jpg

Talked with Massimo (the US distributor), they seemed friendly.

Any other input on Yingang or Massimo would be appreciated.

Thanks,
jerry

[FastDoc]

That looks like a (heavy but) durable bike with a comfortable saddle.

I've asked before and will again, WHO NAMES THESE BIKES? :roll:

[culcune]

You would be smart to ask over on www.mychinamoto.com as well. There are several ex-pat (Europe and N. America) members who live and work in China and ride the 'local' bikes. Yingang/Massimo (Massimo have been around a few years, but dealt with different manufacturers and Yingang are new to them) and DongFang are two of the more recently imported (N. America) brands that seem to have done some homework and seem to have decent bikes overall. However, they are new here and don't have many owners, at least here on chinariders, other than the DongFang bobber which has a growing 'cult' following. One of the Chinese-based members of mychinamoto bought the 'naked' Yingang 250 sport bike and reviewed it on a thread. It seems to be a decent bike other than the very sloppy welding he found all over the frame on his bike; but he bought and owns the bike in China--but he does have direct communication with them, so that might help you out if Massimo didn't follow through with something...

[culcune]

Went to Massimo's site and read the specs of the Yingang bikes--the 200cc bikes use the tried and true 163 FML engine which is the pretty standard 200cc workhorse of many of the members Chinese bikes. I like that Yingang actually have designed different bikes than the standard GY-200 that most Chinese dirt bikes look like. Even the one that you stated looks like the other GY's looks a little different (in a good way) and looks similar to, dare I say it Spud, the Zongshen GY-2!!

The 2F model is based on the agriculture, or 'ag' bikes, seen in the parts of the world that have massively huge ranches that use them to get to remote parts of the ranches that ATV's find too far (for gas mileage purposes). Obviously, the racks are useful to us non-huge ranch owners for extra luggage on long trips!

My only criticism is the YG-5 with a 200cc engine--that bike should have at least a 250 to compete with similar Chinese standard/cruisers. However, living so close to Mexico and seeing the multitude of Chinese bikes there (mostly under the Italika brand name), I could see that bike fitting right in around here, 200cc engine and all.

I am intrigued by both of the Yingang 250 street bikes--the naked one because I like the look, and the sport one as it seems to be a viable alternative to the Ninja 250. The specs aren't clear on Massimo's site, but member Oengus/MJH (as he's known on mychinamoto) has stated something like 26 hp for the liquid-cooled fairing bike (he is able to find all kinds of info) which is pretty good for a Chinese bike if it's true!

[culcune]

OK, OK, one more post--but this is the thread from mychinamoto about the Yingang naked street bike...

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2476-ChinaV-s-new-Yingang-YG250NF-%28YG250-6%29

[Weldangrind]

I've asked before and will again, WHO NAMES THESE BIKES? :roll:

Massimo is a common Italian name, perhaps chosen to sound more European. Originally, Gio was Giovanni, likely for the same reason.

[culcune]

I've asked before and will again, WHO NAMES THESE BIKES? :roll:

Massimo is a common Italian name, perhaps chosen to sound more European. Originally, Gio was Giovanni, likely for the same reason.

I think he's asking about the name 'Yingang' :lol: although I don't think it sounds as 'funny' as DongFang :wink: :lol:

[SpudRider]

I read that one.
They also have this bike that looks like the other gy200 /200gy bikes:
http://massimomotor.com/CGI-BIN/YG250-8-1.jpg

Talked with Massimo (the US distributor), they seemed friendly.

Any other input on Yingang or Massimo would be appreciated.

Thanks,
jerry
Indeed, I think Culcune is correct. The more I look at this bike, the more I begin to notice style similarities to the Zongshen 200GY-2. ;)

http://www.massimomotor.com/productview.asp?model=MSD-200&category=Dirt%20Bike&pid=160

However, this bike definitely has a Honda cloned engine. ;) I hope someone can give us a personal report on these bikes; they look very promising. :)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

I've asked before and will again, WHO NAMES THESE BIKES? :roll:

Massimo is a common Italian name, perhaps chosen to sound more European. Originally, Gio was Giovanni, likely for the same reason.

I think he's asking about the name 'Yingang' :lol: although I don't think it sounds as 'funny' as DongFang :wink: :lol:

Of course, you're probably right. Sorry Doc. :oops:

[roketa200E5]

Don't forget the name Roketa.

http://www.massimomotor.com/CGI-BIN/YG200-2F-4.jpg

What a nice bike. I would probably name it:

Mule M200
Load Runner LR200
Work Horse WH200

I would never insult the bike with the name, "donkey."

[jaxtell]

Thanks everyone for the input. I am definitely leaning toward the 2f model. I'll keep you update, should I purchase one. My main use would be commuting to work and back.

http://www.massimomotor.com/CGI-BIN/YG200-2F-3.jpg

[culcune]

Jaxtell, you don't say where you are located. I called up Massimo (thanks to you and this thread, now I am very interested and hooked on the idea of Yingang :x ) :lol: to see if anyone sells them in Arizona, and found out that ATV Discounter (or something like that) sells some of their products (they had the Massimo's '35' dirt bike on their site). According to the salesman I spoke with, they ordered a few of the 2F bikes that you are interested in, a few days ago from Massimo. If I get the time, I might drive the 3 hours to Phoenix to see one in person...

[culcune]

Of course, you're probably right. Sorry Doc. :oops:

Weldandgrind, I think it's all in good fun, although the Doc does seem to have a warped sense of humor at times



:lol: :lol: :lol:

[SpudRider]

Jaxtell, you don't say where you are located. I called up Massimo (thanks to you and this thread, now I am very interested and hooked on the idea of Yingang :x ) :lol: to see if anyone sells them in Arizona, and found out that ATV Discounter (or something like that) sells some of their products (they had the Massimo's '35' dirt bike on their site). According to the salesman I spoke with, they ordered a few of the 2F bikes that you are interested in, a few days ago from Massimo. If I get the time, I might drive the 3 hours to Phoenix to see one in person...
If you drive to Phoenix, please bring your camera, Culcune. :) We would love to see photos, and get a first-hand impression regarding these bikes. ;)

Spud :)

[culcune]

The more I look at this bike, the more I begin to notice style similarities to the Zongshen 200GY-2. ;)

However, this bike definitely has a Honda cloned engine. ;) I hope someone can give us a personal report on these bikes; they look very promising. :)

Spud :)

I should have mentioned that when I spoke with the sales guy yesterday, he said their '8' used to have very "thin" tires and looked awkward...now it comes with a bigger rear tire (which I interpret as ala Zongshen GY-2); but definitely comes with the standard Honda-cloned engine; the 163 FML version.

[culcune]

If you drive to Phoenix, please bring your camera, Culcune. :) We would love to see photos, and get a first-hand impression regarding these bikes. ;)

Spud :)

Most definitely!!!!!

[jaxtell]

Jaxtell, you don't say where you are located. I called up Massimo (thanks to you and this thread, now I am very interested and hooked on the idea of Yingang :x ) :lol: to see if anyone sells them in Arizona, and found out that ATV Discounter (or something like that) sells some of their products (they had the Massimo's '35' dirt bike on their site). According to the salesman I spoke with, they ordered a few of the 2F bikes that you are interested in, a few days ago from Massimo. If I get the time, I might drive the 3 hours to Phoenix to see one in person...

Warner Robins, Georgia just South of Macon.

[culcune]

That would be a pretty far trip to Phoenix for you :lol: just to check out the bikes.

The store in Phoenix that Massimo told me to contact since they ordered a few of the 2f's has not answered the phone since last week! I then tried to email them and something was wrong, too (it is one of those form submissions, not an email), and wouldn't go through. Not sure I will deal with them; not because I find them way too difficult to get hold of, but because they have no way to get hold of them!!??

http://www.arizonadiscountatv.com/

[jaxtell]

I found another posted chinese video of the 150 version (I think):
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjUzMzA2NjA4.html

It explains the "features" (if you speak Chinese).

jerry

[jaxtell]

I opened it in Google Chrome and hit the translate button and the guy is still speaking Chinese (lol)!

[jaxtell]

My wife ordered the Yingang yg200-2f for me yesterday from Massimo (that's what true love is all about!). Should be in next week. I'll keep everyone updated with pics!
http://www.massimomotor.com/CGI-BIN/YG200-2F-3.jpg

jerry

[Weldangrind]

Hold on to her, Jerry! :D

Looking forward to pics.

[jaxtell]

Hold on to her, Jerry! :D

Looking forward to pics.

27 years and counting!

[SpudRider]

Hold on to her, Jerry! :D

Looking forward to pics.
X2 on all counts! Congratulations! :D You are a lucky man, Jerry. ;)

Spud :)

[katoranger]

I can't wait to see the real pictures. It is something different form the normal china bike.

[Weldangrind]

That's what I think as well. A very utilitarian bike. 8)

[katoranger]

It really looks like a good commuter bike. Large rack and crash bar.

[SpudRider]

I can't wait to see the real pictures. It is something different form the normal china bike.
That's what I think as well. A very utilitarian bike. 8)
It really looks like a good commuter bike. Large rack and crash bar.
I agree! I really like the agricultural versions of the dual sport bikes, and I wish more were available for sale in the United States. :D We eagerly await your photos!

Spud :)

[culcune]

OK, not the 2f (congrats, jaxtell!!!) but Yingang--On Massimo's site, they have the Yingang bikes separate from their own bikes--The Yingang bike looks like this:

http://www.massimomotor.com/productview.asp?model=YG200-8&category=YinGang%20Motor&pid=112

see the narrow tires?

The bike advertised as their own bike, the MSD-200 actually has the wider, Spud-Zong styled rear tire and is the bike that you would get whether you asked for the MSD-200 or the Yingang YG-8

http://www.massimomotor.com/productview.asp?model=MSD-200&category=Dirt%20Bike&pid=160

I look forward to Jaxtell's 2f posts, and hope to get hold of the dealer in Phoenix to get a look at them myself--or to get my own Yingang!! :wink:

[jaxtell]

So my bike came in last week. I haven't really had much time to mess with it. Overall in real good shape except for a few small scuffs from shipping. No owners manual? Place for a tool kit under the side plastics, but no tool kit.

Went over it with wrenches, all of the mechanical pieces were good and tight. Some of the racks needed tightening. Triple checked the oil.

Overall, I love the way the little bike rides. It sits much bigger than I thought it would. I'm 6'3" so I didn't want it to look too small.

The heel shifter took a little getting used to (been a long time since that CT90).

Had to tweak the carb a little to get the idle right, then out 2.6 gallons of gas in it.

Haven't received the Certificate of origin as of yet. Massimo has been good to reply, but I haven't received the Cert, and can't get a tag without it.

Also, in our state, we have to pay 7% sales tax on any vehicle purchased out of state, when getting the tag.

I'll try to post pics later.

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[ben2go]

Anything new on this?

[humanbeing]

That config is very common found on Tibetan's bike (#150 in this (http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=79102&extra=&originator=yes&authorid=75500&page=8) link)
Honda GL145 body (The chinese version WY125-A that basically a true blooded Honda )+pushrod 200 machine
Honda CGL125 (Mexico ....) which had same frame & many parts can fitted on YG.
-
A guy knows which type of "horse" for Tibetan roads in previous trips around china , so bought a YG150-E
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?3333 & later became the moderator of YG board : http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/f_200.htm

[jaxtell]

Rode to work today, speedometer not consistent over 50KPH, would actually start decreasing in speed after 60? I'll check out both ends of he cable tonight. (Have 30 days in Ga to get a tag)

After getting to work (15 minutes), the idle was about 3000 RPM, turned the air screw out 1/4 turn to bring idle down.

Chrome on the exhaust started changing color (like normal).

Rode excellent! No complaints on how it handled and rode!

Thanks for the links humanbeing

Still waiting to hear on the certificate of origin. Massimo says they can't send another until Monday.

Still no word on a maintenance/owner's manual.

[2LZ]

Awesome news! That looks like a seriously useful bike! :D

[jaxtell]

A few photos taken with my cell phone:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r3hZ4ho3FMQ/Thb4MC8x2sI/AAAAAAAAATc/HkuVAWrdJw4/s1024/2011-07-08%25252007.14.35.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-orVJVkcxw7g/Thb4K-0NSRI/AAAAAAAAATY/hvj5VLCh6PQ/s1024/2011-07-08%25252007.14.30.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aJJ5eR2WtSc/Thb4K5TBDRI/AAAAAAAAATU/r19wdtfm894/s1024/2011-07-08%25252007.14.11.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Zyp2rGDlUD4/Thb4KiNNnGI/AAAAAAAAATQ/YZsTqP1PX2k/s1024/2011-07-08%25252007.14.18.jpg

Sorry for the quality of the photos....

[SpudRider]

A few photos taken with my cell phone:

Sorry for the quality of the photos....
Please don't apologize; thank you for posting the excellent photographs! :D Your bike looks great! How is it running?

The saddle looks very comfortable. The luggage racks look very beefy, and robust! The instrumentation is very nice, and the guards on the bike are superb! :D

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

:( Minor Issues:
• Speedo - I tightened the ends, better but still wanders at speed. I'll remove the cable and check it.
• Idle - In order for the bike to idle when cold I adjusted the air screw on the side of the carb, when hot it idles at 3000 RPMs. I'll need to adjust the idle screw on the bottom (I'm thinking) to get that set correctly.
•ÂTach bounces around, esp. at higher RPMs.
• Odd discoloration on the exhaust unter the side rack (wish it was black like everything else).

:D Overall:
Had a great ride to work this morning. Getting more comfortable with the heel and toe shifter. Everyone likes the look of the bike. It is Comfortable! Have yet to take it off road.

[SpudRider]

:( Minor Issues:
• Speedo - I tightened the ends, better but still wanders at speed. I'll remove the cable and check it.
• Idle - In order for the bike to idle when cold I adjusted the air screw on the side of the carb, when hot it idles at 3000 RPMs. I'll need to adjust the idle screw on the bottom (I'm thinking) to get that set correctly.
•ÂTach bounces around, esp. at higher RPMs.
• Odd discoloration on the exhaust unter the side rack (wish it was black like everything else).

:D Overall:
Had a great ride to work this morning. Getting more comfortable with the heel and toe shifter. Everyone likes the look of the bike. It is Comfortable! Have yet to take it off road.
It sounds as if your pilot mixture screw (PMS) is set too rich. ;) Wait until the engine is hot (not warm, hot), and adjust the PMS leaner. Be conservative, and adjust the PMS in 1/4-turn increments; ride a mile or so, and note the results. ;)

The discoloration in the muffler is probably caused by a flow restriction. I think you might have a catalytic converter placed in the muffler at that location. ;) I hope Weldangrind will offer his suggestions regarding the potential removal of this restriction. :)

How heavy is this bike? Please do keep us updated! Your bike is one of the most interesting models I have yet seen; I love agricultural bikes! :D We would also love to see more closeup photographs, and photos of the bike off road. :D

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Does your bike have a centerstand?

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

I just viewed the Chinese video you posted earlier, and I see the bike does have a centerstand! :D This is a great little bike, Jax! Please remind us; how much does it cost? How do you like the customer service you have received from the vendor, et cetera?

P.S. I hope you are being extra nice to your wonderful wife who ordered this bike for you, Jerry! ;)

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

Spud,
The bike was just under $1500 shipped to a dock through Ebay from Massimo (I talked to Jeff). Lift gate service $50 extra to residential. I love having a center stand. will be especially helpful when loaded. Bike is light (about 275 pounds).

[ben2go]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Zyp2rGDlUD4/Thb4KiNNnGI/AAAAAAAAATQ/YZsTqP1PX2k/s1024/2011-07-08%25252007.14.18.jpg

That is dead sexy!I would put some small round offroad LED lights, in the upper hoops, on the front crash guard.Are these available in the US?I'm digging it with a spoon.

[SpudRider]

I forgot to mention, I really like the headlight, also! This bike would make a great little adventure motorcycle. :)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

...hope Weldangrind will offer his suggestions regarding the potential removal of this restriction.

That's funny; as I was catching up on this thread, I was hoping that Spud would chime in on the discoloration. :lol:

It's not typically easy to remove a cat from a muffler; it's much faster and more efficient to replace the muffler altogether and then re-jet. That would also get rid of the chrome.

I'm digging it with a spoon.

Me too! I've been building something similar in my mind for quite awhile. 8)

[jaxtell]

spud:
forgot to say thanks for the tuning tips.

ben2go:
Massimo is in Irving Texas, I live in Warner Robins, Ga.

Weldagrind:
Any suggestions on a good exhaust to fir the 163FML? And aren't the jets a little different than the Japanese bikes? Does anyone have a jet kit for chinese bikes?

[ben2go]

Chrome discoloration is usually caused by a lean mixture.A restrictive exhaust can do the same thing by holding in to much heat.If that exhaust has a cat converter in it,I bet it's at the base of the megaphone, where the discoloration is.

[SpudRider]

Chrome discoloration is usually caused by a lean mixture.A restrictive exhaust can do the same thing by holding in to much heat.If that exhaust has a cat converter in it,I bet it's at the base of the megaphone, where the discoloration is.
Knowing the Chinese, and the fact the discoloration is concentrated at the bend in the exhaust header and the center of the muffler cone, I'm guessing Jerry has a catalytic converter in that muffler. ;)
spud:
forgot to say thanks for the tuning tips...

...Any suggestions on a good exhaust to fir the 163FML? And aren't the jets a little different than the Japanese bikes? Does anyone have a jet kit for chinese bikes?
You're welcome, Jerry. :)

I'd prefer to install an aftermarket muffler up higher for greater ground clearance, but the dual shock absorbers and the luggage racks would probably greatly complicate that installation. If one didn't wish to cut out the catalytic converter, he could probably trim off the existing muffler, and install an FMF Universal Spark Arrestor on the current exhaust header. ;) The FMF silencer should easily mount under the luggage rack, and would undoubtedly improve engine performance. :)

If you have time, please remove the saddle, fuel tank, and side plastic. We would love to see the bike's frame, rack mounting points, et cetera! :D Also, we can identify your carburetor if you describe it, and post photos of it. ;) Once we know the model of your carburetor, we can easily tell you where to get jets for it. :)

Spud :)

[humanbeing]

...aren't the jets a little different than the Japanese bikes
Most 200 using PZ30 ie. "standard" parts in industry
Most Honda clone using Keihin clone carb
Big chinese player's bike prefers using Deni http://www.keihin-corp.co.jp/english/network/overseas/index.shtml :D

[Weldangrind]

I have a PZ30 that I've been looking to re-jet, but I can't find the right slow jet. No big deal; it still starts and idles with a straight through muffler, so I'm not worried.

No problem finding main jets at the local Honda shop.

[Weldangrind]

Not sure about the muffler. I bet you could make any slip-on fit, as long as it would clamp securely to the OD of the pipe. The large clamp that comes with a slip-on could mount to the stock location.

I used a T-bolt clamp on a muffler installation recently. It's stainless, and it was a $7.00 solution. Look to a plumbing shop that carries irrigation stuff for that.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aJJ5eR2WtSc/Thb4K5TBDRI/AAAAAAAAATU/r19wdtfm894/s1024/2011-07-08%25252007.14.11.jpg

[jaxtell]

My carb is also a PZ30 also.

Here is a pic of the bike with me on it (I am 6'3" for reference):
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c87CzhEXs7k/ThevkNOO5TI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/3u2pxAov4yk/s512/IMG_1539.JPG

Here is the right side with cover removed:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f-pJeXbcDBc/ThevvEpdNKI/AAAAAAAAAUc/_fIfKTuYg90/s640/IMG_1544.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dZ-2G6xC0Zc/Thev45vwUdI/AAAAAAAAAU0/Df5pRVc1koQ/s640/IMG_1545.JPG

And the left side:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tP8XGt_ZXks/Thev4GkVPwI/AAAAAAAAAUs/_fdz4nFeGxE/s640/IMG_1547.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fb84D3MZ-Pw/Thev4exAbVI/AAAAAAAAAUw/2sYMnMwp-L4/s640/IMG_1546.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VweCyXkBiJs/Thev7kQ8lPI/AAAAAAAAAU8/xn0ZsAwSUx8/s640/IMG_1548.JPG

I think I have the idle worked out. Now the Tach is dead! :( The speedo is better, but not 100%. I'm guessing the Tach is something loose inside the gauge pod?

[jaxtell]

As a further size reference, here is my son (he is about 5'11").

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Lliyg0N8vdE/ThevvX3imrI/AAAAAAAAAUg/kxIhERuGHtE/s640/IMG_1541.JPG

[Weldangrind]

That looks like a well made bike; decent air cleaner! The venerable pushrod motor will last forever.

[humanbeing]

Honda CGL125 parts manual http://www.honda-sundiro.com/images/se/SDH125-A.pdf Aprt front the shocks/ meters / front light ... , other parts in YG are very similar.
Honda GL Series (indonesian) parts manual http://www.4shared.com/file/Idw_94Ij/PC_GLSeries.html/ OHC very similar to it's ansector that very common found in Asia /New Zealand / S. America in 80s. That ansector are good bike very easy to ~75mph :)

[jaxtell]

Honda CGL125 parts manual http://www.honda-sundiro.com/images/se/SDH125-A.pdf
Aprt front the shocks/ meters / front light ... , other parts in YG are very similar.

Thanks for the link!

[Weldangrind]

This is the fiche for a CG125: CG125 Fiche (http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cg125-1993-general-export-kph_model2605/partslist/)

[humanbeing]

This is the fiche for a CG125: CG125 Fiche (http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cg125-1993-general-export-kph_model2605/partslist/)
That's the good OLD jap CG: 4 gear / no starter motor
Most chinese machine are cloned from Kymco Grand King that had starter motor & :oops: Rotary gear shift pattern
This (http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_568182.htm) is the last Honda CG125 using OHV that meets China 3 emisson standard (similar to Euro) fitted ECU / carbon box. The newest is fitted an OHC engine as found on CBF125.

[SpudRider]

Thanks for posting the additional photos, Jerry. Your bike appear to be very well built! :D As others have stated, you won't have any problem getting jets for your carburetor. Just bring the jets to your local Honda shop, and they can match them up for you. ;)

If you are ready for an aftermarket muffler, I still recommend the FMF Universal Spark Arrestor. :)

http://www.bikebandit.com/fmf-universal-spark-arrestor-200cc-500cc-1-1-4?WT.mc_id=1484958&CAWELAID=338435743

This muffler has a U.S.F.S. approved spark arrestor, and meets the U.S.F.S. sound restrictions for 96 db. ;) This muffler comes equipped with a stainless steel midpipe you can trim to the desired length. This muffler is also supplied with a clamp which secures it to your motorcycle. :) You can read more about the FMF silencer in the following threads. ;)

http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8587
http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9629
http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10279

Spud :)

[ben2go]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tP8XGt_ZXks/Thev4GkVPwI/AAAAAAAAAUs/_fdz4nFeGxE/s640/IMG_1547.JPG

The red plug on the battery side needs to be removed and a small tube/hose connected and ran down under the bike.If the battery vents,it will blow acid water all over the side of the bike.


Weldgrind,I use stainless steel T bolt clamps on all my bikes and cars exhaust.I have yet to have an issue with a T bolt clamp.I purchase mine from www.mcmaster.com

[SpudRider]

The red plug on the battery side needs to be removed and a small tube/hose connected and ran down under the bike.If the battery vents,it will blow acid water all over the side of the bike...
Nice catch, Ben! :)
...Weldgrind,I use stainless steel T bolt clamps on all my bikes and cars exhaust.I have yet to have an issue with a T bolt clamp.I purchase mine from www.mcmaster.com
Indeed, McMaster.com is a great place to buy hardware online. :) You can also find T-bolts at industrial hose supply stores. ;)

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tP8XGt_ZXks/Thev4GkVPwI/AAAAAAAAAUs/_fdz4nFeGxE/s640/IMG_1547.JPG

The red plug on the battery side needs to be removed and a small tube/hose connected and ran down under the bike.If the battery vents,it will blow acid water all over the side of the bike.


Weldgrind,I use stainless steel T bolt clamps on all my bikes and cars exhaust.I have yet to have an issue with a T bolt clamp.I purchase mine from www.mcmaster.com

Wow! Thanks, I didn't even notice.

[jaxtell]

Here is a PDF of the owner's manual, thanks to YingangUSA:

http://static-digitalvault.cox.net/static/axtellj/storage/a3215cb358e13a89c476c820dd00337f/4e1af484/DW1rp8.pdf/Yingang%20yg200-2f.pdf?save

Everything is in translated English except the wiring diagram.

[ben2go]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tP8XGt_ZXks/Thev4GkVPwI/AAAAAAAAAUs/_fdz4nFeGxE/s640/IMG_1547.JPG

The red plug on the battery side needs to be removed and a small tube/hose connected and ran down under the bike.If the battery vents,it will blow acid water all over the side of the bike.


Weldgrind,I use stainless steel T bolt clamps on all my bikes and cars exhaust.I have yet to have an issue with a T bolt clamp.I purchase mine from www.mcmaster.com

Wow! Thanks, I didn't even notice.


You're welcome.

[jaxtell]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tP8XGt_ZXks/Thev4GkVPwI/AAAAAAAAAUs/_fdz4nFeGxE/s640/IMG_1547.JPG

The red plug on the battery side needs to be removed and a small tube/hose connected and ran down under the bike.If the battery vents,it will blow acid water all over the side of the bike.


Weldgrind,I use stainless steel T bolt clamps on all my bikes and cars exhaust.I have yet to have an issue with a T bolt clamp.I purchase mine from www.mcmaster.com

Wow! Thanks, I didn't even notice.


You're welcome.

Looks like the rubber battery strap thing is missing, too. Guess the side cover will hold it in until I can make one.

[ben2go]

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tP8XGt_ZXks/Thev4GkVPwI/AAAAAAAAAUs/_fdz4nFeGxE/s640/IMG_1547.JPG

The red plug on the battery side needs to be removed and a small tube/hose connected and ran down under the bike.If the battery vents,it will blow acid water all over the side of the bike.


Weldgrind,I use stainless steel T bolt clamps on all my bikes and cars exhaust.I have yet to have an issue with a T bolt clamp.I purchase mine from www.mcmaster.com

Wow! Thanks, I didn't even notice.


You're welcome.

Looks like the rubber battery strap thing is missing, too. Guess the side cover will hold it in until I can make one.

Missing strap.I should have caught that. :? Glad you caught it.

[humanbeing]

...http://static-digitalvault.cox.n... translated English except the wiring diagram...
That URL is always "408 - Request Timeout" :x in my side. If possible, pls upload to sites such as http://www.4shared.com/. I will try to translate it in spare time.

[jaxtell]

...http://static-digitalvault.cox.n... translated English except the wiring diagram...
That URL is always "408 - Request Timeout" :x in my side. If possible, pls upload to sites such as http://www.4shared.com/. I will try to translate it in spare time.

Sorry,
I'll get if fixed, it is in all english, except the wiring. Thanks for the translation.

Here is the battery fix, a couple of zip ties and some tubing that routes out under the bike, just ahead of the swing arm:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-twgyFul5PVU/ThufgmC2WEI/AAAAAAAAAWA/f3A-mus_n8o/s640/IMG_1551.JPG

[ben2go]

...http://static-digitalvault.cox.n... translated English except the wiring diagram...
That URL is always "408 - Request Timeout" :x in my side. If possible, pls upload to sites such as http://www.4shared.com/. I will try to translate it in spare time.

Sorry,
I'll get if fixed, it is in all english, except the wiring. Thanks for the translation.

Here is the battery fix, a couple of zip ties and some tubing that routes out under the bike, just ahead of the swing arm:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-twgyFul5PVU/ThufgmC2WEI/AAAAAAAAAWA/f3A-mus_n8o/s640/IMG_1551.JPG

Nice fix.Will you be getting a battery strap?It should be covered under warranty.

[humanbeing]

...Nice fix.Will you be getting a battery strap?It should be covered under warranty.
Stock strap is USELESS in some parts of China (Junkie making quick buck), so there's "these (http://motorcycle.sh.cn/viewthread.php?tid=107490&extra=&originator=yes&authorid=75082)" product 8O

[ben2go]

...Nice fix.Will you be getting a battery strap?It should be covered under warranty.
Stock strap is USELESS in some parts of China (Junkie making quick buck), so there's "these (http://motorcycle.sh.cn/viewthread.php?tid=107490&extra=&originator=yes&authorid=75082)" product 8O

Link didn't work. :cry:

[humanbeing]

Link didn't work. :cry:
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=107490&extra=&originator=yes&authorid=75082

[Weldangrind]

That's a neat idea.

http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/day_080508/t8C1wdew1sMgMDAz_H28BDUwVXvzJ.jpg


humanbeing, what is this for?


http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/day_080508/t8C1wdew1sMgMDEy_eM5vPTI8aEJ8.jpg

http://attachments.motorfans.com.cn/day_080508/t8C1wdew1sMgMDE0_yCq9PhnZYdc6.jpg

[humanbeing]

Make those junkie/ scum ... more difficult to steal the carb :P Otherwise it will gone within 30 seconds.

[SpudRider]

Link didn't work. :cry:
http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=107490&extra=&originator=yes&authorid=75082
As always, thank you for providing the information, and the great link, Humanbeing! :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Make those junkie/ scum ... more difficult to steal the carb :P Otherwise it will gone within 30 seconds.
It's terrible that drug users become thieves, and will steal the carburetor from a rider's parked motorcycle. :evil: I frequently forget how blessed I am to live where I do. :(

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

Yes, thanks for the link.

I loved viewing it in Google Chrome and using the "translate" feature, after the page loads!

I wander if some on in the states carries a hold-down like that one?

[jaxtell]

...http://static-digitalvault.cox.n... translated English except the wiring diagram...
That URL is always "408 - Request Timeout" :x in my side. If possible, pls upload to sites such as http://www.4shared.com/. I will try to translate it in spare time.

See if this link works:


http://www.4shared.com/document/uouyas_v/Yingang_yg200-2f.html?

[humanbeing]

http://www.4shared.com/document/uouyas_v/Yingang_yg200-2f.html?
In very slow translating process (if can't wait :idea: "draw" the chinese charcter in nciku.com ) It's almost like "standard (http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_461621.htm)" Honda color. #53 6 here (http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_250787_3.htm) had Honda example
http://c.imageshack.us/img560/3094/yuyuv.gif
EDITED
Too time consuming to remark each wire in computer
Hope this table helps to get the genral ideas
http://a.imageshack.us/img830/6236/kkyy.gif

[humanbeing]

It's terrible that drug users become thieves, and will steal the carburetor from a rider's parked motorcycle.
Some chinese junkie thief are bikers too. They works as team , the "pillion" will snatch bags in urban area/ catch pet dog in rural villages (Country folks respect animal rights : No chain + let them wardens everywhere) & sold to restaurant. :twisted:

[SpudRider]

It's terrible that drug users become thieves, and will steal the carburetor from a rider's parked motorcycle.
Some chinese junkie thief are bikers too. They works as team , the "pillion" will snatch bags in urban area/ catch pet dog in rural villages (Country folks respect animal rights : No chain + let them wardens everywhere) & sold to restaurant. :twisted:
Wow! 8O Drug addiction is a terrible thing; it not only harms the addict, it harms the people from whom he steals. :(

Spud :(

[humanbeing]

Found a faster solution to translate it :) cut & paste "suitable" text from CG125 storm S/M which this YG colored 80+% similar to Honda.
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Wow! 8O Drug addiction is a terrible thing; it not only harms the addict, it harms the people from whom he steals. :(
Spud :(
Stories ABOVE are 100% true as it's recorded on paper finally:
http://www.maoming.gd.cn/news/AWXAwaVobmz5gaj7.html B4 90s, villagers in my hometown will do the same thing. It's in our blood (we're in same (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Nan) main dialect group), Clan = Honour , if ANYone dares... ie. outsiders better behave themself.
http://ngdsb.hinews.cn/html/2011-06/21/content_368365.htm
Generally speaking mainland China is quite safe : "firearm" not often on criminal's hand BUT watchout all the risks when visits there.

[jaxtell]

Found a faster solution to translate it :) cut & paste "suitable" text from CG125 storm S/M which this YG colored 80+% similar to Honda.
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Wow! 8O Drug addiction is a terrible thing; it not only harms the addict, it harms the people from whom he steals. :(
Spud :(
Stories ABOVE are 100% true as it's recorded on paper finally:
http://www.maoming.gd.cn/news/AWXAwaVobmz5gaj7.html B4 90s, villagers in my hometown will do the same thing. It's in our blood (we're in same (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Nan) main dialect group), Clan = Honour , if ANYone dares... ie. outsiders better behave themself.
http://ngdsb.hinews.cn/html/2011-06/21/content_368365.htm
Generally speaking mainland China is quite safe : "firearm" not often on criminal's hand BUT watchout all the risks when visits there.

Thanks for the help. I found one and it is in color, too!

I think I have the idle set correctly now.
I still have to address the Speedo and the Tach.
I will try to find a battery strap locally, if possible.

I did try out the engine guards yesterday accidentally. I had the bike idling and the side stand down, went and moved my wife's car and when I turned around, I noticed it moving forward slowly. As I ran toward it, it laid on its side. It hit the hand guard, the engine guard and the rear foot rest. No damage anywhere else. Minor scratches only (easy touch up).

Love the way this thing rides. It does look very similar to the Honda CG125.

[Oengus]

here is a link to a vendor that sells that gauge cluster.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/408135967/China_Motorcycle_speedometer_manufacture.html

It has some specs that you may or may not be able to wrap your head around.

Hope that helps, maybe you can get some info from them or the vendor?
Its a good looking gauge set, it looks very much like the gauges on actual Honda models like the VTR250.

That company that makes those motorcycles cranks them out, the gauges may not be properly attached/installed and as the speed and vibration increase you may be getting signal attenuation and variation from what is not secured.

I'd like to see you resolve that, because its kind of a deal breaker for me and others if it cannot be resolved.

You may want to get the emissions devices off the bike, they are budget bikes and what ever they put on it is probably not very well made.

I would take the exhaust off from the manifold, sand the pipe and paint it with heat resistant flat black paint. I would cut off the muffler and replace the can with the same style but unrestricted and flat black.

you can get those cheap through Taobao, search on 消声器 CG125 and you will find them. Then use Taobao Focus to order what you want.

[jaxtell]

I'm certain it is just a loose wire, just haven't had time to take it off and check.

I did get some saddle bags from Walmart this weekend. I'll post pics tonight. The look really good on the bike. When I was mounting them, I had to take the seat off. Found a wrong bole on the seat mount and a had a missing bolt on the right side rack mount. Put metric bolts in both, problem solved.

As for the exhaust, I found a post of a "regular" dual sport, where they opened up the muffler and de-restrcited it, then re-jetted the carb. I may give that a shot. I would love to paint the muffler flat black, if I knew it would stick!

It's funny, in the owner's manual I posted, the exhaust is black with w/ chrome heat shield (looks much better).

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_2rtXChczQA/TiQ4_x8UBOI/AAAAAAAAAWY/bGARbi6UdMg/s720/Yingang%252520yg200-2f%252520Black.jpg

[humanbeing]

I would take the exhaust off from the manifold, sand the pipe and paint it with heat resistant flat black paint. I would cut off the muffler and replace the can with the same style but unrestricted and flat black.

you can get those cheap through Taobao, search on 消声器 CG125 and you will find them. Then use Taobao Focus to order what you want.

CG125 had little difference from this bike. That YG's style are often called as "Wuyang" in China / CGL125 in S.America & Africa / GL145 in Asia @ 80s
It's HARD to find muffler (100% stainless steel / http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=6074971133 ) ONLY in TB for this style because "whole" unrestricted genuine part is very afforable :lol: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7890092395 | Why not try next door (Mexico) ? That style are very common :D

[Oengus]

The exhaust is very common, he actually would rather have black, not chrome, like in this image.

http://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic-bikes-2/SL100.jpg

The mounting point to the frame is what matters, that and that it is unrestricted.

[katoranger]

I think I have seen honda repo exhaust like that on ebay. I would look for a cb125 exhaust.

[Oengus]

The price of the new exhaust on Taobao is $20.00, the second link that HB posted. The whole exhaust!

Use this site to convert currency….http://www.xe.com/ucc/
And then if want to order use this site to place the order.
http://taobaofocus.com/

There are other sites you can also use Taobao Focus is not the only one.

Human Being offering searches in Chinese on Taobao is very kind of him.

If he sets up a search service would you pay him? How much is a search worth?

He could set up a paypal account and collect fees for searches. That man can likely find anything you could ever want.

[Oengus]

That little Honda to me is just a frame that has a legal title.
It could get a 223cc engine and it could get the electric starter and full instrumentation as well. Street tires, it even could get a different triple tree and front forks, new handle bars and a front disk brake.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7679914593

The parts to do that are all on Taobao, its just really hard to find them.

The SL100 can take a 200cc Lifan engine, if so then it also may be able to hold the 223cc Loncin engine as well. Then it just a matter of rewiring it.

[humanbeing]

That little Honda to me is just a frame that has a legal title.
It could get a 223cc ...
:oops: "Small" parts ONLY are worth ship directly from it's motherland
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the highest quality MD33e clone is made by Jialing http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10843575109 NOT loncin
If had chance got a "cheap" beated-up 223 machine / this kit worth to invest : http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10236432912

[Oengus]

That engine would cost about $900.00 shipped to the USA…I just checked, I did not think it would be that much? That’s if it is 80lbs wonder what it actually does weigh?

So much for that idea…..

The engine is only $300.00 the freight is about $600.00
http://taobaofocus.com/order/shipping-fees-from-china

[humanbeing]

That engine would cost about $900.00 shipped to the USA…I just checked, I did not think it would be that much? That’s if it is 80lbs wonder what it actually does weigh?

So much for that idea…..

The engine is only $300.00 the freight is about $600.00
http://taobaofocus.com/order/shipping-fees-from-china
Ship by agent that offer door-2-door sea service (the "norm" in some small business) saves $$$ BUT that Engine won't 100% guaranteed in ur hand as it f###s EPA law. Postal service sucks BiG money for ANY >4 kg item :?

[jaxtell]

As promised, but late, here are the pictures with my new $40 Walmart saddlebags (they also have built-in rain covers, that I'll get pics of later):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tCoG7obF7dY/Tif1PiqFfHI/AAAAAAAAAW4/_RDMCDG45Zc/s640/IMG_1554.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jTe2vIJa7mc/Tif1NMQTw0I/AAAAAAAAAWw/XUYInlVtBLs/s640/IMG_1556.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GSYUmOTifQA/Tif1O42IddI/AAAAAAAAAW0/o5waBo9aQpg/s640/IMG_1555.JPG

[Oengus]

That engine would cost about $900.00 shipped to the USA…I just checked, I did not think it would be that much? That’s if it is 80lbs wonder what it actually does weigh?

So much for that idea…..

The engine is only $300.00 the freight is about $600.00
http://taobaofocus.com/order/shipping-fees-from-china
Ship by agent that offer door-2-door sea service (the "norm" in some small business) saves $$$ BUT that Engine won't 100% guaranteed in ur hand as it f###s EPA law. Postal service sucks BiG money for ANY >4 kg item :?

I am not going to buy one…its not worth the trouble or costs.

I came across a good deal on an old SL100 and toyed with the idea.

I like the gauges on the YG200 thought that a bigger engine with an electric starter…it be a project.

It would be better to just buy the YG200.

[jaxtell]

Update on Certificate of Origin: still not in my hands. Still playing nice, but my 30 Days to get a tag in Georgia is quickly approaching, and no definite answer as of yet.

Update on Speedometer and Tach: still not working. Talked with Gene at http://www.motosportsparts.com/s.nl/sc.19/.f he is trying to see if he can get a new cluster.

Have roughly 200 miles on the bike from riding back and forth to work. Still enjoy the ride. Love the new saddle bags. Got the the carb/choke worked out. Thinking about some different sprockets, geared a little too low for the road.

[SpudRider]

Update on Certificate of Origin: still not in my hands. Still playing nice, but my 30 Days to get a tag in Georgia is quickly approaching, and no definite answer as of yet.

Update on Speedometer and Tach: still not working. Talked with Gene at http://www.motosportsparts.com/s.nl/sc.19/.f he is trying to see if he can get a new cluster.

Have roughly 200 miles on the bike from riding back and forth to work. Still enjoy the ride. Love the new saddle bags. Got the the carb/choke worked out. Thinking about some different sprockets, geared a little too low for the road.
Thanks for the update! :) I can't understand why you are having such trouble getting an MSO. :roll: What is your dealer telling you regarding this problem?

Spud :)

[Oengus]

If you cannot get a new tachometer then here is one on Taobao.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8310222693

It is 40 Chinese that $6.50 American since it only weighs a couple of pounds it be not too much to ship it. Maybe $35.00?

[jaxtell]

Update on Certificate of Origin: still not in my hands. Still playing nice, but my 30 Days to get a tag in Georgia is quickly approaching, and no definite answer as of yet.

Update on Speedometer and Tach: still not working. Talked with Gene at http://www.motosportsparts.com/s.nl/sc.19/.f he is trying to see if he can get a new cluster.

Have roughly 200 miles on the bike from riding back and forth to work. Still enjoy the ride. Love the new saddle bags. Got the the carb/choke worked out. Thinking about some different sprockets, geared a little too low for the road.
Thanks for the update! :) I can't understand why you are having such trouble getting an MSO. :roll: What is your dealer telling you regarding this problem?

Spud :)

Here's the (long) story:
Had the bike shipped to my work, @ the same time they mailed the MSO. 3 days after the bike came in, I called and talked with the salesman. He assured me that he mailed (which I believe) it and asked for a few more days. Since, in Ga, I could get insurance and had a 30 day grace period for the tag. I did so.

These few more days went by and, I again called and talked with the salesman, this time requesting a NEW MSO be sent out (after all, the mail should have all ready been in my hand). He informed me that the MSO person no longer worked there to notarize the MSO, so he would try to work around it, give him a couple more days, so I did.

A couple more days, and then I requested to have someone outside notarize the MSO and I would pay for it AND pay to have UPS of FedEx deliver it to my house. He said he would have to get the owner (of Massimo) to okay this.

Didn't happen. He then said he was going to apply for a notary license and should have it by the end of the week. He never got the papers from the state of Texas. He said he would get it done outside and UPS it, but he would have to get the permission of the owner (of Massimo).

Which brings us to today (grounhdog day). Owner is out, need his permission. Papers have not shown up (to certify the salesman as a notary). AAAARRRGGGGHHHH!

EBAY gives 90 days for them to get the MSO in my hands, I hope I don't have to go through the Buyer Protection.

I believe his intentions are good, but I'm not seeing any results! :roll:

I really like the bike! I just want to get it done, so I can put a tag on it.

PS the salesman has always kept the communication open and has been professional and courteous.

[jaxtell]

First fill up after driving, had 300 kilometers on the clock (that hasn't read correctly), put in 3.2 gallons of premium. That's 186 miles divided by 3.2 = 58.125 MPG. Since the Speedo isn't always accurate (above 60 KPH it begins to regress), I figure I may be closer to 65 MPG on the first tank.

SATISFIED :D
(with gas mileage)

[katoranger]

I like those saddlebags. You got them from walmart? I may get a set for my scooter.

[jaxtell]

I like those saddlebags. You got them from walmart? I may get a set for my scooter.
Yes, odd as it seems. $40, not all Walmarts carry them (we have 2 in our town; one does, one does not).
They have several straps to mount in a variety of ways.
They have a pocket on the outside, one on the inside of the top and one next to the bike that houses the rain cover, which is retained by a strap.

[jaxtell]

Update on Certificate of Origin:
Noticed in my summary page on Ebay that today is the last day for me to file a Request for reimbursement through Ebay (all though the seller has 90 days to supply the Certificate of Origin, you must file by the 30 Day time limit).

An Ebay advisor had me file the complaint, so I did and noted that I would prefer to keep the bike and resolve the MSO problem. I also noted the seller had been in constant contact with me, but with out any resolution to the problem.

I'll keep you posted...

[SpudRider]

I think you were wise to file the complaint, Jax. ;) It shouldn't take this long to get an MSO. :roll: Perhaps the dealer will now get the issue resolved for you. :)

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

Momentary Bliss:
I was riding back to work on the highway, my Speedo read 90 KPH (55 MPH) and my tach jumped back to life. 30 seconds, it lasted.

hahahah!

[FastDoc]

I've had my BSA start on the first kick. Anything can happen! :roll:

[Oengus]

I think you have loose or just crappy connectors, I think if I was you I would try to get a spare wiring harness with a spare gauge cluster. It would be good just to sit down and tag everything and then trace it all out.

You may be able to replace the cheap connectors with better quality ones, the wiring diagram and its color codes would make that easier. You can get marine quality connectors for each side of every connection, they would be water tight and certainly better then what is on the bike I suspect.

The speedometer is 100% mechanical and part of that is on the front hub, you can replace the cable with one of better quality maybe, make sure it is lubricated and routed correctly, the ends have to be decent that being the actual speedometer and sending unit on the hub.

Here is the thing if it was not connected well at the factory then it may have done damage to the ends that spin, if not seated well they could be damaged the connects. Not attached right and spinning can cause wear and then it never sits right and never works right.

They are thrown together all the Chinese bikes are, not tightened correctly and sometimes over tightened.

I like the looks of the gauges and that it has everything, many of the bikes do not even get a tachometer and keep in mind there is a sending end on the engine, its not working and is a moving part, it could come off?

If the bike went through a dealer, then all these things would have been traced and if the mechanic could not fix them that would be because it was a inferior design or configuration? It maybe that or not…but just riding it will not make that determination easier, it will make it more difficult over time. If you have bad connectors they can arch and take out other things?

Trouble shoot the bike Jaxtell.

People are all so honest about their experiences, but not so honest about their actual abilities as mechanics?

Identify and solve and then post? If not then do not expect to have others buy in and in that share with you, you will be the end of the line, nobody else will buy one.

It is what it is, the first person to get one should be an actual mechanic, these people that sell them should pay mechanics to support the bikes, but they need to actually get on them and test them and then address and document the solutions.

You use the word professional when describing what seem totally amateur.

The bike has some issues and it needs a solution set…if you define it then source it and then sell it on this site.

Yingang could set up a taobao site and pay HB to work it though a English interface on this site. They can see what is working and what is not. They are working to get into the market and it is all a learning process.

I would like to know if Jaxtell from Warner Robbins is aware of http://www.extreme-scooters.com/motorcyclestore.htm its not that big a town is it? Or is that just another irony?

[jaxtell]

I think you have loose or just crappy connectors, I think if I was you I would try to get a spare wiring harness with a spare gauge cluster. It would be good just to sit down and tag everything and then trace it all out.

You may be able to replace the cheap connectors with better quality ones, the wiring diagram and its color codes would make that easier. You can get marine quality connectors for each side of every connection, they would be water tight and certainly better then what is on the bike I suspect.

The speedometer is 100% mechanical and part of that is on the front hub, you can replace the cable with one of better quality maybe, make sure it is lubricated and routed correctly, the ends have to be decent that being the actual speedometer and sending unit on the hub.

Here is the thing if it was not connected well at the factory then it may have done damage to the ends that spin, if not seated well they could be damaged the connects. Not attached right and spinning can cause wear and then it never sits right and never works right.

They are thrown together all the Chinese bikes are, not tightened correctly and sometimes over tightened.

I like the looks of the gauges and that it has everything, many of the bikes do not even get a tachometer and keep in mind there is a sending end on the engine, its not working and is a moving part, it could come off?

If the bike went through a dealer, then all these things would have been traced and if the mechanic could not fix them that would be because it was a inferior design or configuration? It maybe that or not…but just riding it will not make that determination easier, it will make it more difficult over time. If you have bad connectors they can arch and take out other things?

Trouble shoot the bike Jaxtell.

People are all so honest about their experiences, but not so honest about their actual abilities as mechanics?

Identify and solve and then post? If not then do not expect to have others buy in and in that share with you, you will be the end of the line, nobody else will buy one.

It is what it is, the first person to get one should be an actual mechanic, these people that sell them should pay mechanics to support the bikes, but they need to actually get on them and test them and then address and document the solutions.

You use the word professional when describing what seem totally amateur.

The bike has some issues and it needs a solution set…if you define it then source it and then sell it on this site.

Yingang could set up a taobao site and pay HB to work it though a English interface on this site. They can see what is working and what is not. They are working to get into the market and it is all a learning process.

I would like to know if Jaxtell from Warner Robbins is aware of http://www.extreme-scooters.com/motorcyclestore.htm its not that big a town is it? Or is that just another irony?

Thanks for the input, I'll keep that in mind. While I am not a "professional" mechanic, I have been turning wrenches as a hobby for a number of years.

I am aware the Speedo is fully mechanical. I have checked and lubed the cable and while it is doing better with each ride. The tach is still not dependable (since it is still under warranty, I have not taken it apart). The dealer, Massimo, is going to supply me wit a new cluster. I think the tach is probably a loose ground connector. I have not traced the entire harness, because only the tach is not working.

As I have stated earlier, the bike is really nice, with only the exceptions noted. I will post all fixes as I get them completed.

Aside from the MSO issue, the cluster issue, the battery strap & vent. Everything on the bike has worked as expected.

:D

PS Warner Robins is not a big town, I'll look these guys up:
http://www.extreme-scooters.com/motorcyclestore.htm

Still planning on getting something for my wife, so we can ride after I get this on squared away! Thanks for the tip.

[jaxtell]

Update on Certificate of Origin: Talked to the salesman @ Massimo, mailed it out Friday, should have it this week!

[Oengus]

I’ll be looking forward to your posts, I am glad somebody bought one the price is good. Its unusual looking you cannot get bikes that look like that anywhere else.

If he mailed the MSO Friday you should get it today or tomorrow at the latest.

They are advertising the bike on cycle trader, you got yours for $1,500.00 including delivery?

http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2011-Other-YG200-2F-MASSIMO-98905522

[jaxtell]

Yes, $1500 including shipping.

I would wait and make sure the MSO issue gets done okay.

I can give you their ebay username, if you are interested. (I don't think there would be a rule against posting it here?)

If you are buying multiples, there is a different sales person. Multiple purchases are not handled through ebay.

[Oengus]

You can post it on here they should not mind, they want more people buying, reporting and troubleshooting the bikes.

That’s decent price….

[SpudRider]

Update on Certificate of Origin: Talked to the salesman @ Massimo, mailed it out Friday, should have it this week!
That's wonderful news, Jax! Please continue to keep us updated regarding your efforts to register, and get a license plate for your bike. :)

Spud :)

[SpudRider]

Yes, $1500 including shipping.

I would wait and make sure the MSO issue gets done okay.

I can give you their ebay username, if you are interested. (I don't think there would be a rule against posting it here?)

If you are buying multiples, there is a different sales person. Multiple purchases are not handled through ebay.
We don't mind if you post the vendor's eBay username, Jax. :)

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

The Ebay username is Motosportsparts, if something you want is not listed, you can contact them through Ebay and they will list the item in an auction for you with a Buy It Now price (that is how they did mine).

[jaxtell]

Got the MSO :D , today I'll be off to the tag office......

[Oengus]

You must be relieved....finally.

[jaxtell]

Get the TAG, round one.

1. Went by the tag office, they looked over all my paperwork and said I had to get a VIN inspection.

2. Called the number they gave, they instructed me to go to police station in Warner Robins. Officer seemed surprised they ask me to come there. He began the inspection but hit a snag when he tried to verify the VIN number; the manufacturer did not exist (in GA's computers), so they could not validate the VIN.

3. Called Massimo, they are checking into the registration and why it did not show up.

4. The form has highlighted NHSTA Certification Label __yes __no. No idea what this is or of will have any bearing after we resolve the VIN issue.

[katoranger]

Ask if they have "other" in the computer.

[SpudRider]

Get the TAG, round one.

1. Went by the tag office, they looked over all my paperwork and said I had to get a VIN inspection.

2. Called the number they gave, they instructed me to go to police station in Warner Robins. Officer seemed surprised they ask me to come there. He began the inspection but hit a snag when he tried to verify the VIN number; the manufacturer did not exist (in GA's computers), so they could not validate the VIN.

3. Called Massimo, they are checking into the registration and why it did not show up.

4. The form has highlighted NHSTA Certification Label __yes __no. No idea what this is or of will have any bearing after we resolve the VIN issue.
Egads! :roll: Please remind me, where are you located? I hope the VIN database doesn't cause you problems. :evil: Also, depending on where you live, the NHTSA certification might cause difficulty. :(

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

Kato: Thanks, I'll do it.

Spud: Ga. It may have the NHTSA label on it, I just did some research and found out what it looks like.

[katoranger]

It is a black and silver label about 2x3 or so.

In GA the four letter code for Lifan was LFAN I think.

[katoranger]

I see some stickers on the chainguard.

[jaxtell]

I think you are correct. I'll double check when I get home.

Also, I think it may be listed under Chongqing Yingang (that is how it appears in the NHTSA database).

http://stnw.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/manufacture/

I will make another run at the inspection tomorrow.

[2LZ]

This makes me feel all the more fortunate to work where I do and just have a Game Warden sign off on my Q's VIN verification. Wow....

It also stuns and amazes me when I hear about other states actually being MORE difficult to work with than the PRK! 8O That doesn't happen very often! :o

Good luck! When I finally got my pink and tag in the mail, it was a great relief.

[SpudRider]

In Idaho a police officer merely verifies the VINs are the same on the paperwork, and the bike. Nobody in Idaho cares about a VIN database. ;)

Spud :)

[Oengus]

The company is recorded with the NHSTA under LY4, however the required VIN decoding document with the NHSTA is missing.

The actual VIN databases are all private databases compiled by private companies off the VIN decoding documents that are on file with the NHSTA.

The reason that the State of Georgia cannot find it, is because the information does not exist at its primary source.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/maninfo/mcpkg002.pdf


Look up LAE (WMI) at the NHSTA and then look under the section FILE NAME and you will see what is missing.
The NHSTA files VIN decoding documents with the ORG prefix.

Yingang never filed the paper work.

[Oengus]

You may have to get real proactive to get that bike titled, you would need to light a fire under Yingang. But my guess is that they will not perform, instead they will object and contest.

The North American sales reps name is Jessie contact information is on the Yingang website.
The PDF attached is for them to read and understand it has a contact name on it, an administrative at the NHSTA.

A VIN decoding document must be filed with the NHSTA in order for your motorcycle to be titled. That can only come from the manufacturer, the OEM that being YINGANG.

[jaxtell]

Oengus,
Thanks, I emailed her yesterday. She has been very responsive so far (since I purchased the bike).

[jaxtell]

I know this is from New Jersey, but id doesn't show Yingang as being approved by the NHSTA:

http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/pdf/Vehicles/mc_manufacturers.pdf

Awaiting response from Massimo and YingangUSA. :?:

PS I think this is what Oengus was referring to above^^

[Oengus]

Everything is explained in this document.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/maninfo/mcpkg002.pdf

It is for the most part procedural law and primarily if not entirely federal consumer protection regulations.

[jaxtell]

Get the TAG, round one.

1. Went by the tag office, they looked over all my paperwork and said I had to get a VIN inspection.

2. Called the number they gave, they instructed me to go to police station in Warner Robins. Officer seemed surprised they ask me to come there. He began the inspection but hit a snag when he tried to verify the VIN number; the manufacturer did not exist (in GA's computers), so they could not validate the VIN.

3. Called Massimo, they are checking into the registration and why it did not show up.

4. The form has highlighted NHSTA Certification Label __yes __no. No idea what this is or of will have any bearing after we resolve the VIN issue.

Get the TAG, round two

Went to to the tag office Friday after the officer verified the VIN. and Logged it into the GA database with Yingang as the Manufacturer. The MSO has Massimo (which is incorrect) as the manufacturer. One hour later they tell me to come back on Monday, they have to call Atlanta and get the manufacturer on the MSO to match the VIN, which is now in the database with as Yingang the manufacturer. Then, I could get a tag.

Get the TAG, round three

This morning (Monday) went back to the tag office. They called Atlanta, after 45 minutes on the phone. They tell me I can't get a tag because neither Massimo or Yingang are in the GA NHSTA database. AARARRRGGGGHHHH! They said I'd have to get with Massimo or Yingang and get them to fill out the proper paper work (as discussed above by Oengus).



CALLS IN TO MASSIMO AND YINGANG!

Lesson learned - Ask the local authorities if you bike is listed with the NHSTA and is listed in the VIN database.

[Oengus]

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

If you get no were make sure you file a complaint.

[jaxtell]

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

If you get no were make sure you file a complaint.

Thanks Oengus, hope it doesn't go that far.

• I talked with some one at the tag office who was willing to see if Yingang was listed under Chongqing Yingang in the NHTSA book, and they were. She is going to see if she can work with the MSO that I have, she faxed it to Atlanta to try and resolve the issue.

There is still a discrepancy on the make listed on the MSO as Massimo, not Chongqing Yingang.

•ÂI also talked with Massimo, and they said they would do whatever they needed to, so that I could get the bike tagged.

•ÂAs a further note, on the VIN verification, the officer wrote down the VIN incorrectly and after I get the MSO and NHTSA business squared away, I will have to redo the VIN verification form and have the inspection re-done.

[SpudRider]

...As a further note, on the VIN verification, the officer wrote down the VIN incorrectly and after I get the MSO and NHTSA business squared away, I will have to redo the VIN verification form and have the inspection re-done.
Oh, my goodness! They are certainly making you work for your license plate, Jax! :roll: Good luck, and please continue posting the updates! :)

Spud :)

[Oengus]

Chongqing Yingang Science & Tech Group

The first three letter of the VIN should be LY4,
Yingang is in the database for the NHSTA
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/manufacture/instructions050311.pdf

But what is missing?

[Oengus]

Yingang would need to submit a letter to the NHSTA, stating its “agent of process” and also define in a signed document on the companies letterhead, the 17 character VIN structure (decoding document).

There have been problems in the past with other manufactures using erroneous VIN numbers, that being, the use of VINS that did not match the VIN decoding document submitted. So you should keep in the loop and make sure your VIN is not contradicted within the decoding format submitted, since the decoding document they submit is after the actual sale.

If Yingang (CHINA) the actual factory is manufacturing vehicles with seventeen character Vehicle Identification Numbers for shipping to the USA, hopefully they are aware that the VIN defines the vehicle, it is not just a random string of letters and numbers, it actually is a serial number, however only part of the string is unique for any specific model.

Some characters used in the VIN are assigned at the manufacturers discretion, however the format is or should follow federal regulated guidelines. Those guidelines are covered in detail and accessible to the public online.

Part 566 identifies the “agent of process” and the actual manufacturing factory.
Part 565 is the VIN decoding document.

Both are defined in this document.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/maninfo/mcpkg002.pdf

[Oengus]

Federal regulations are indexed:

Title 49 “Transportation”
Volume 6
Chapter V
Parts 500-571 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,
Department of Transportation

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title49/49tab_02.tpl


Part 565 VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER (VIN) REQUIREMENTS
Part 656 MANUFACTURER IDENTIFICATION

[Oengus]

Yingang should fax the document to an agent of the NHSTA and then the NHSTA will post those to the website. You will then be able to pull those up and copy them online. Then you can go back to the Georgia Title Bureau with those copies and the link to the website and also get and bring a phone number at the NHSTA that they can call.

It will take time and do not give up, if they do not perform then you have been wronged and they will have to right you, for your loss or time and capital.

[jaxtell]

Yingang should fax the document to an agent of the NHSTA and then the NHSTA will post those to the website. You will then be able to pull those up and copy them online. Then you can go back to the Georgia Title Bureau with those copies and the link to the website and also get and bring a phone number at the NHSTA that they can call.

It will take time and do not give up, if they do not perform then you have been wronged and they will have to right you, for your loss or time and capital.

Just got an email from the GA DMV, stating how the MSO should read to be registered in Ga.

Just as you have stated in the NHTSA database it looks like they are listed as:
Chongqing Yingang Science & Tech Group
The VIN number starts with LY4.

The dealer is sending out the revised MSO today.

Should have this resolved next week!

[Oengus]

I am fairly sure that your YG200-8 is a 2009 model its EPA certificate is <a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=9YNGC.200SAA-001">
9YNGC.200SAA-001</a>, there are no certificates for that model for 2010 or 2011, which mean that they only imported those in 2009.

I downloaded the EPA databases as lists for certified models from 2007-2011, I have them in a database on my computer so I can search through them by make, model, manufacturer, engine size rated hp etc.

[Oengus]

Yingang should fax the document to an agent of the NHSTA and then the NHSTA will post those to the website. You will then be able to pull those up and copy them online. Then you can go back to the Georgia Title Bureau with those copies and the link to the website and also get and bring a phone number at the NHSTA that they can call.

It will take time and do not give up, if they do not perform then you have been wronged and they will have to right you, for your loss or time and capital.

Just got an email from the GA DMV, stating how the MSO should read to be registered in Ga.

Just as you have stated in the NHTSA database it looks like they are listed as:
Chongqing Yingang Science & Tech Group
The VIN number starts with LY4.

The dealer is sending out the revised MSO today.

Should have this resolved next week!

I hope that works for you, but the underlying problem still exists and can keep causing others grief titling the motorcycles in different states.
There should be no reason that the bikes cannot be offered in NJ and PA it is YINGANGS fault they cannot be, they are not doing the research before entering the market. States that are oblivious to federal laws are perpetuating it, its embarrassing or should be for them.

[jaxtell]

Thanks,
I have been forwarding this information to Jessie, the US contact at Yingang. Seems like a fairly straight forward process that would enable them to sell many more bikes with much less frustration to potential customers.

It also seems the dealers would be pushing for Yingang to get everything clear with the NHSTA.

As it stands, I would be hesitant recommend the brand to others unless they are sure of getting a title. It is quite a shame, because I feel the quality is as good as any Chinabike I've seen.

I am also waiting to get mine clear before I leave feedback on Ebay.

[jaxtell]

I am fairly sure that your YG200-8 is a 2009 model its EPA certificate is <a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=9YNGC.200SAA-001">
9YNGC.200SAA-001</a>, there are no certificates for that model for 2010 or 2011, which mean that they only imported those in 2009.

I downloaded the EPA databases as lists for certified models from 2007-2011, I have them in a database on my computer so I can search through them by make, model, manufacturer, engine size rated hp etc.

Wow! That is incredible, how did you know where to find this stuff?

Mine is a 2009 model.

[FastDoc]

I don't know where he learns it but that's what Oengus does! :P

[Oengus]

Thanks,
I have been forwarding this information to Jessie, the US contact at Yingang. Seems like a fairly straight forward process that would enable them to sell many more bikes with much less frustration to potential customers.

It also seems the dealers would be pushing for Yingang to get everything clear with the NHSTA.

As it stands, I would be hesitant recommend the brand to others unless they are sure of getting a title. It is quite a shame, because I feel the quality is as good as any Chinabike I've seen.

I am also waiting to get mine clear before I leave feedback on Ebay.

I was hoping that you would do that, Jessie seems very pleasant and good natured. I hope Yingang takes the time and gets it right, it can only help sales it cannot hurt sales.

As far as dealers and individual purchasers not having any problems getting titles in some states, keep in mind that until recently the majority of new model sold in the USA were sourced from big manufacturers. Those big manufacturers would never side step federal regulations. I would say that many states are simply complacent about titling and some in that complacency are oblivious to the actual federal regulations relating to what can be titled and registered to drive on the US roads.. States were historically titling bikes that all met federal regulations by default and in good faith there was no real reason to check until now.

[Oengus]

There is a dealership in Newnan, its not that close to Warner Robbins but not ridiculously far either.
http://smfcycles.com/shop/

I wonder how that dealer is getting the Yingangs titled? Considering how close that dealership is to Atlanta, it would be wise for Yingang to get the issue resolved so they have nothing preventing interest in the bikes. That area has a big potential market.

They have the YGR3 for $2099.00, that is a pretty good price for that bike.
http://smfcycles.com/shop/2011/07/26/2010-massimo-yingang-250cc/

[jaxtell]

There is a dealership in Newnan, its not that close to Warner Robbins but not ridiculously far either.
http://smfcycles.com/shop/

I wonder how that dealer is getting the Yingangs titled? Considering how close that dealership is to Atlanta, it would be wise for Yingang to get the issue resolved so they have nothing preventing interest in the bikes. That area has a big potential market.

They have the YGR3 for $2099.00, that is a pretty good price for that bike.
http://smfcycles.com/shop/2011/07/26/2010-massimo-yingang-250cc/

Thanks, I will call them.

[jaxtell]

If I wasn't a patient man before....
So, try #4 at the local tag office. Last time they said. "all you need is for the MSO to match the NHSTA database." Got my MSO in from Massimo, took off work, again. The lady comes back and says, "I hate to ask you to do this, but you'll have to have the VIN inspection and the "scooter form" redone, so they match the MSO, where is states Chongqing Yingang as the manufacturer." One had Massimo one had Yingang (as the manufacturer), but no one questioned this before.

AAARRRGGGHHH!

I asked, "I thought you told me last time all I needed was the MSO to match the NHSTA database? I wished, I had these forms last time so I could have brought them back when the MSO came in."

"I'm sorry, it has to match." was the response.

I asked again, "Are you sure, this is the last thing I need to do?"

"yes."

I think I'm trapped in an "I love Lucy" show and can't get out.

One more try (#5) coming up.....

[Weldangrind]

I'm sure that all of this pain will be worth it. I'm looking forward to many ride reports on that cool bike. :D

[katoranger]

I went through the same thing with my lifan. Fortunately the local dealer I bought it from took care of things.

[SpudRider]

When the government wants something from you, it has to be perfect. ;) When you want something from the government, the same rule doesn't apply. :roll:

Getting your bike registered is one of the unique joys of owing a Chinese motorcycle. ;) I wish you luck on your next "final" trip to the local DMV. As Weldangrind stated, all the effort will be worthwhile after you get the license plate for your bike. :D

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

Thanks for the encouragement, guys.

I don't give up easily anyway, I know sooner or later they'll get tired of seeing me and give in! (lol)

As a distraction, I bought a Yamaha Vino 125 ($650) last week to make money off of, wasn't running, had 1500 miles on it, looked like new. Needed a battery, $40. Drained the carb, green 2-stroke gas (guess I found out why they were selling). Ended up taking the carb out twice to get all of the gunk out of the jets and off of the float. Got a tag in 15 minutes. Been riding it to work, lots of fun. Had it up to 62 (down hill), cruises well at 48 with me on it.

Should get the inspection forms done today, and back to the tag office tomorrow!

[Weldangrind]

At the risk of hijacking your thread, how did you get the slow jet clean in the Vino? BTW, feel free to start a new thread on it.

[jaxtell]

At the risk of hijacking your thread, how did you get the slow jet clean in the Vino? BTW, feel free to start a new thread on it.

Removed it and used a small needle with some cleaner. Blew it out with 50PSI on the compressor. Repeated the process three or four times.

The idle is not "just right", but it gets better with every 5+ mile ride.

[jaxtell]

Saddle bag rain covers pictures.

Coming out of the pocket:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9iOMkm52fho/TkQyyyM2twI/AAAAAAAAAYo/lYoom2yJQb4/s640/RainCovers2.jpg

Over the bags (how do you like my tag?):
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YI3mci1ELew/TkQyy8g-A2I/AAAAAAAAAYs/-V_eDDIhQXg/s640/Rain%252520Covers.jpg

[SpudRider]

I've seen those Georgia license plates before. ;)

Spud :lol:

[katoranger]

That is the fancy printed tag.

I need to get me a set of the bags too.

[Weldangrind]

At the risk of hijacking your thread, how did you get the slow jet clean in the Vino? BTW, feel free to start a new thread on it.

Removed it and used a small needle with some cleaner. Blew it out with 50PSI on the compressor. Repeated the process three or four times.

The idle is not "just right", but it gets better with every 5+ mile ride.

Thanks for your explanation. I've never been able to find a needle that's small enough.

[jaxtell]

A funny thing happened at the tag office today...
So I had all of my completed (for the second time), got to the tag office.

My Tag Lady came back and said, "The manufacturer was not filled out on the VIN inspections form."

Me, "We can't just write it in?"

Tag Lady, "No, we can not fill it out, must be done by the inspections officer."

Me, "Can I borrow your pen, I think I saw him down the hall..."

Her, "As long as I don't do it."

Me, "I'll be back in a minute."

After that, the folks in Atlanta gave them (the Tag Ladies) a hard time, but finally gave in after our Tag Lady reminded them, they said it would be ok.

So, without further ado.....

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dmFfbyl3-WA/TkXa2JjFZdI/AAAAAAAAAZM/Jpp2sSpoHpM/s640/Tag_Finally.jpg


APPLAUSE!!!!!!

[jaxtell]

At the risk of hijacking your thread, how did you get the slow jet clean in the Vino? BTW, feel free to start a new thread on it.

Removed it and used a small needle with some cleaner. Blew it out with 50PSI on the compressor. Repeated the process three or four times.

The idle is not "just right", but it gets better with every 5+ mile ride.

Thanks for your explanation. I've never been able to find a needle that's small enough.

I probably coudln't either, that's why I asked my wife. (Hahaha)

[jaxtell]

That is the fancy printed tag.

I need to get me a set of the bags too.


Walmart - $40

[Weldangrind]

Yaaaayyy!

Now get out there and ride it. :D

[SpudRider]

Congratulations, Jax! :D I always like to see the good guys win! ;)

Spud :)

[Oengus]

So all that Georgia wanted is the actual real name of the manufacturer on the bikes paper work….that was easy enough to resolve.

The people in Atlanta gave up…trying to explain and the lady at the local office felt enough already…gave you a title apposed to totally screwing you…fortunately.

So what are you going to do to that bike….any plan for the raibowing exhaust? I think you could paint it but the thing is very restrictive. I wonder if you can get Jessie to send you one over that is used on the 150 version of the bike, the one in the owners manual. That model has the flat black exhaust with the chrome shield you said you like.

I would say you deserve something for offering her such solid insight into federal regulations in the USA.
Does she know your posting online and the thread is approaching 5000 views?

I would be actually afraid to attempt to remove the manifold bolts…but the exhaust discoloration is too much…send them photos of it and what you want…that being the black exhaust system that is in the owners manual.

[SpudRider]

….any plan for the raibowing exhaust? I think you could paint it but the thing is very restrictive. I wonder if you can get Jessie to send you one over that is used on the 150 version of the bike, the one in the owners manual. That model has the flat black exhaust with the chrome shield you said you like.

...I would be actually afraid to attempt to remove the manifold bolts…but the exhaust discoloration is too much…send them photos of it and what you want…that being the black exhaust system that is in the owners manual.
The exhaust header is discolored because the engine is running too lean, and too hot. ;) The blue color can be removed with a variety of chemicals, but the discoloration will return until the carburetor is jetted properly.

The muffler is discolored because the hot exhaust gasses are hitting a restriction. If one cut off the stock muffler, I'm sure he could replace it with an FMF Universal Spark Arrestor. The FMF silencer would almost certainly increase engine power. :)

Spud :)

[Oengus]

Yeah that would be the easiest route to go, the FMF is the cheap and easy way to go.

Here is what they could have put on the bike, I think it looks better on that bike.
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Yingang/Big_Carrier_150cc_Motorcycle_YG150_2FC.jpg

apposed to this,
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Yingang/yingang4.jpg

I kind of like the front mud guard to.

[SpudRider]

Indeed, the muffler on the red bike looks better. :) However, I'm sure the black muffler is also very restrictive, and reduces engine power. ;) The red bike in the photos is obviously more street oriented, with it's cast wheels, and front mud flap. The mud flap would definitely help to keep one's feet and legs dry in the rain. However, the flap would quickly clog with mud, locking the front wheel, and dumping the rider, in muddy terrain. 8O

I much prefer the stainless steel, exhaust header currently mounted on Jax's bike. :) The stainless steel is much more resistant to rust, and is much more easily cleaned when muddy. ;) The FMF Universal Spark Arrestor comes with a stainless steel midpipe that would match well with the current exhaust header on the bike. The FMF silencer is inexpensive, and it would be easy to mount. In addition, Jax would notice a definite power boost after install the unrestricted, FMF silencer. :)

Spud :)

[2LZ]

That's great news! Now go riding! :D

[jaxtell]

So we did ride Friday and Saturday morning. My wife rode Vino and I rode the Yingang. We had a great time.

I just hit 500 Km, so I am going to go over everything and change the oil.

Here are the couple of issues noted:
• The Speedo is still acting funky, I took the gear out at the hub, and while it looked fine, I don't think is is properly meshed with the hub. Couldn't really see the gear in the hub, think I'll have to remove the wheel to do that. Couldn't find anything on "proper" procedures for this.

• Tacho is still Wacko. Massimo is working on a replacement.

• High vibes at upper RPMs. Going to check engine mounts, as explained elsewhere on Chinariders. May get some better grips and put a higher gear sprocket on (seems too low for the type riding I do [mostly commuting]).

•Did occasionally feel a slight "tugging" at the rear wheel, like the rear brake might be dragging. Also noticed at high speeds the rear brake pedal lifts up slightly (like something is grabbing back there). Any ideas?

• The blue exhaust, will probably go with the FMF later and re-jet.

All-in-all, bike riders and drives really good. The seating position is good for me. Has great on-raod manners, haven't been off road, yet. Going to leave Massimo some feedback on Ebay today. They were really helpful, but with a little more effort, a lot of the issues with the MSO could have been avoided. Looking forward to a lot of fun on this bike!

Thanks everyone for your help, I'll keep posting any updates and mods!

[katoranger]

When will we see a thread started on the vino? I sent you a pm about it.

[jaxtell]

When will we see a thread started on the vino? I sent you a pm about it.

I got it. PM back.

Don't know that I'll start a thread on it, not much to do other than put gas in and twist the throttle.

Vino is more fun than it should be, who'd a thunk it?

[katoranger]

Scooters are underappreciated.

[2LZ]

So we did ride Friday and Saturday morning. My wife rode Vino and I rode the Yingang. We had a great time.

I just hit 500 Km, so I am going to go over everything and change the oil.

Here are the couple of issues noted:
• The Speedo is still acting funky, I took the gear out at the hub, and while it looked fine, I don't think is is properly meshed with the hub. Couldn't really see the gear in the hub, think I'll have to remove the wheel to do that. Couldn't find anything on "proper" procedures for this.

• Tacho is still Wacko. Massimo is working on a replacement.

• High vibes at upper RPMs. Going to check engine mounts, as explained elsewhere on Chinariders. May get some better grips and put a higher gear sprocket on (seems too low for the type riding I do [mostly commuting]).

•Did occasionally feel a slight "tugging" at the rear wheel, like the rear brake might be dragging. Also noticed at high speeds the rear brake pedal lifts up slightly (like something is grabbing back there). Any ideas?

• The blue exhaust, will probably go with the FMF later and re-jet.

All-in-all, bike riders and drives really good. The seating position is good for me. Has great on-raod manners, haven't been off road, yet. Going to leave Massimo some feedback on Ebay today. They were really helpful, but with a little more effort, a lot of the issues with the MSO could have been avoided. Looking forward to a lot of fun on this bike!

Thanks everyone for your help, I'll keep posting any updates and mods!


Most definitely are these things geared to short. Every CB I've had was geared to climb a telephone pole.

You should try completely removing the speedo cable and sheath from the bike and from each other, spray some brake kleen down the sheath and also, clean the cable with it, then hit both with some Tri Flo before reassembly, if you haven't already. Fixed my Q right up.

I had the same 'tugging' on my Q at open-road cruise speed. I checked the rear brake and loosened it up. No difference. As expected, it was jetted way to lean. I jumped the pilot 1 step and jumped the main 2 steps and problem solved. I'd say this is same problem is definitely causing your blueing. Also, move the needle clip to the lowest spot if you haven't already.
Rich is annoying. Lean is dangerous.

[Oengus]

Its the secondary air intake that causes the bluing, that and the catalytic element in the exhaust that is heating up. I would think without removing that and adding more fuel to the mix would increase the bluing.

Its also is not a stainless steal exhaust its only plated with chrome, if it actually had chromium in the metal it would then be stainless steel. As it is it only plated with stainless, it would eventually rust from the inside outward.

I would say if you do one then you should do all of it, take off the emission and in that the exhaust get replaced, then adjust the carburetor. If you do not it likely would increase the blue, I would think the additional fuel will increase the heat as it gets burned off in the exhaust by the SAI and also conducted by the catalyst in the muffler.

[jaxtell]

Its the secondary air intake that causes the bluing, that and the catalytic element in the exhaust that is heating up. I would think without removing that and adding more fuel to the mix would increase the bluing.

Its also is not a stainless steal exhaust its only plated with chrome, if it actually had chromium in the metal it would then be stainless steel. As it is it only plated with stainless, it would eventually rust from the inside outward.

I would say if you do one then you should do all of it, take off the emission and in that the exhaust get replaced, then adjust the carburetor. If you do not it likely would increase the blue, I would think the additional fuel will increase the heat as it gets burned off in the exhaust by the SAI and also conducted by the catalyst in the muffler.

I can't remember where, but I saw a great write-up on opening the exhaust and re-packing. I'm not exactly sure where it was, but they cut out the opening, removed the baffle, took out the converter, then put everything back in and welded an new "end" on it.

Anyone have a book mark on this procedure?

[Oengus]

I sent Jessie and email, asked if the bike could be ordered with a black muffler and she said yes and sent me a contact at Massimo.

I asked the contact but have not heard back yet.

To me the black muffler is easiest, apposed to having to remove the emissions and replacing the muffler, then carburetor adjusting only gets about 1hp if that, I am sure its noticeable but just leaving it stock and not having to see the stains would be resolved if it came with a black exhaust.

I think Jessie is supper at customer service, but wonder if she has it right? I wonder if they do have the bike in the US with a black exhaust system? I may or may not get one, I also would not be surprised if I did get one and it came with the chrome exhaust even if I was told it had a black exhaust.

I would not get that bike for off road, it would be ok on a dirt road but to me it is more of a street commuter that just looks different, I like the looks of it.

It also has a totally replaceable engine and list of standard parts that are really pretty easy to get, and the price of $1,500.00 is very good considering.

But you know what, I do not have to have one, if I am told I can get it with the black exhaust I just may…if not I am not interested in the alternatives, I personally do not remove emissions.

[Weldangrind]

I can't remember where, but I saw a great write-up on opening the exhaust and re-packing. I'm not exactly sure where it was, but they cut out the opening, removed the baffle, took out the converter, then put everything back in and welded an new "end" on it.

Anyone have a book mark on this procedure?

I don't think this is what you're looking for, but perhaps it will provide some info for you: Scooter Muffler Surgery (http://www.chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

[jaxtell]

I can't remember where, but I saw a great write-up on opening the exhaust and re-packing. I'm not exactly sure where it was, but they cut out the opening, removed the baffle, took out the converter, then put everything back in and welded an new "end" on it.

Anyone have a book mark on this procedure?

I don't think this is what you're looking for, but perhaps it will provide some info for you: Scooter Muffler Surgery (http://www.chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Very similar, only the one I remember had a cone shaped muffler like mine and they welded a new end cap with a slightly larger opening.

Great work on yours though, after the paint no one would ever know!

[Oengus]

You can find used cone shaped muffler on eBay, they are for early model CB125’s engines and they would not have catalytic element in them, but they do not seem to have the triangle shaped bracket your does. I’ve seen them on eBay under CB125 mufflers. You need that bracket to stabilize it a clamp would not look right and may not work as well. You could have the bracket cut off and welded on a old CB125 muffler that did not have the bracket but doing that would destroy the surrounding chrome. On the CB125S the bracket is a separate part (18353-383-830ZA) it an obsolete part though. The CB125S though seems to be what that bike was modeled after, the exhaust looks exactly the same. The bracket mounts to the muffler with two bolts.

I think you could then paint the chrome you just have to sand it first to a dull finish and then prime it with high temp paint. If you contact an auto body paint supplier they could confirm that and suggest and supply the paints.

I make some assumptions and that is that everyone has access to welders and that is because I live in an industrial city, I can get small welding project done and even plating and painting done relatively cheap.

I do not think cutting open the muffler is a good idea, you would most likely destroy it and then have to replace it anyway.

Keep in mind taking out the restriction in the exhaust will also require removing the SAI device and that is pretty easy, you just cap off all the connections it had, if you do not you likely will get back firing in the muffler as it has less back pressure once relieved. Then you can increase the fuel at induction and you will get better throttle response from that. You can remove the SAI and not the muffler but that would likely eventually lead to carbon buildup on the catalyst over time as the SAI is burning excess gases and once removed it stops doing that, so those gases should be let through an nonrestrictive muffler.

You could take both to a shop and say cut this off and weld it on here, that being the triangle bracket, then take it home sand it and paint it black. But that requires removing it all from the manifold you would want it all flat and the muffler looks like it is welded to the exhaust pipe on that bike,. Cannot really tell from the images but they look like they are two pieces welded at the junction?

I think you can find a CB125 muffler for under $75.00 and then the welding could be done for about $50.00 and the paint about $20-30.00 for about $125.00-$150.00 it could resolve the issue and increase your performance…without spoiling the looks of the bike.

Or you can just buy one of the FMF or fake Yoshimuro and strap it up and call it a day.[/i]

[jaxtell]

So last week my headlight bulb went out. I had to order one from the local Yamaha place. I had thought about doing the H4 bulb conversion, but decided not to at this point and ordered two of the 6235B bulbs.

Over the weekend, I did an oil change, adjusted the chain, worked on the speedo cable and wen over the bike again. I found I was missing the nut on the side stand (which probably accounts for the tip-over incident. The bolt at the rear of the gas tank was MIA as was one of the side rack bolts under the seat. It is a good thing I kept all of my metric nuts and bolts left-over from a Suzuki Samurai I used to have.

• Speedo is about 95% working now, got the best results messing with the gear in the hub and adding a couple of washers to help keep the gears in proper mesh.

• Tach comes to life about 7000, must be a ground. I'll continue to trace those, I thought I had checked them, but will go back and check again.

• My gas gauge did also come to life and remind me it was time for the second tank of gas. Still averaging about 65MPG, as best as I can figure with Speedo not at 100%

Here are a few more pics with the tank semi-removed (sorry, they are a little blurry):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yiYEXBJOLvA/TlOcFxaEz3I/AAAAAAAAAZc/7F5Dz7e6wp0/s640/2011-08-22%25252019.43.30.jpg


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q1Aflhc_6xc/TlOcHJ8B9oI/AAAAAAAAAZk/bn56oMXjHQg/s640/2011-08-22%25252019.43.46.jpg


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a7eLL-iTMUc/TlOcI-SPOaI/AAAAAAAAAZs/WdQwOA2rMps/s640/2011-08-22%25252019.44.09.jpg

[Weldangrind]

How do you like that seat?

[jaxtell]

How do you like that seat?

The seat is comfortable! I haven't ridden more than 30 minutes at a time, but it seems like would be comfortable on a longer ride. too! The padding is fairly thick and dense.

[SpudRider]

When it comes to chinabikes, loctite is your friend. ;)

Spud :)

[ben2go]

How much fuel does your tank hold?

[jaxtell]

How much fuel does your tank hold?
Almost 4 gallons according to the specs. I usually hit reserve around 200 miles (~324 kilometers last time).

[SpudRider]

How much fuel does your tank hold?
Almost 4 gallons according to the specs. I usually hit reserve around 200 miles (~324 kilometers last time).
That's a good sized fuel tank! You really scored on a great little bike, Jax! :D

Spud :)

[ben2go]

How much fuel does your tank hold?
Almost 4 gallons according to the specs. I usually hit reserve around 200 miles (~324 kilometers last time).

I have a 5.5 gallon tank on my 89 GS500.That's about what I get when I have to hit reserve.So that's good range in my mind.I get high 40mpg when I just cruise and stay outta the throttle.

[jaxtell]

How much fuel does your tank hold?
Almost 4 gallons according to the specs. I usually hit reserve around 200 miles (~324 kilometers last time).

I have a 5.5 gallon tank on my 89 GS500.That's about what I get when I have to hit reserve.So that's good range in my mind.I get high 40mpg when I just cruise and stay outta the throttle.

I used to have a GS500e, it was a very neat bike! And fast for a 2 banger 500, too.

[jaxtell]

Made another attempt at the Speedo, which still fluctuates above 70KPH.
This time I focused on the hub drive, removed the wheel and the hub. The fingers were bent, which probably wrecked the gears inside. This explains why it has never worked correctly. The first picture is of the hib before. and the second is of the fingers after I straightened them.

After it was over, not much change. Still not working correctly!

Bent;
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LhowqKaRqYs/TlmlwjVbmfI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/RZqVz_75sUs/s640/2011-08-27%25252020.39.08.jpg

Straightened;
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Gp_WuF8wgfg/TlmlwdzAmyI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/v3-1kC0ypCw/s640/2011-08-27%25252020.50.58.jpg

[SpudRider]

My goodness; that's a fubar speedometer drive! 8O Oh, well; you still got a great deal on that bike, Jax. :)

Spud :)

[Oengus]

I think that HUB was forced when assembled….I also think that your tachometer is mechanical and not electric.

Its a mechanical connection here:
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Yingang/2011-08-22194330.jpg

The cable look like this:
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy126/oengus1963/CYCLES/Yingang/auto_cable.jpg

It spins at that location, what is inside the engine I am not sure? The fact it is only spinning at high rpms concerns me, hopefully its no destroying another part?

[ben2go]

That looks like a clutch cable and the location that it connects to the lever on the engine case.

[jaxtell]

The Tach is electrical, I checked the connections. But yesterday this happened (look at the tach needle):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K8IWgQscphQ/TluM-y9oF0I/AAAAAAAAAao/WUg1shb-yM0/s640/Tach.jpg

[SpudRider]

The Tach is electrical, I checked the connections. But yesterday this happened (look at the tach needle):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K8IWgQscphQ/TluM-y9oF0I/AAAAAAAAAao/WUg1shb-yM0/s640/Tach.jpg

Needle? What needle? :roll: Disregarding your tachometer problems, your bike certainly has a nice instrument cluster. :) Does the fuel gauge work?

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

So, to bring everything up to date:
This is an email that I sent to Massimo, who forwarded it to Jessie at Yingang:

Here is an update on the major parts of my bike that have not or do not work on my bike:
• Tachometer - this morning the indicator fell, off, but it has never worked, I have attached a picture.
• Speedometer - The hub on the wheel was messed-up and the "fingers" bent, above 60KM/H the needle moves backwards instead of giving the correct KP/H. I have attached a picture.
• Never had a battery strap, made on out of zip-ties.

I would like to get replacements for these 3 items.

On the minor side:
• Headlamp went out - ordered and replaced bulb ($6).
• Brake light went out - replaced bulb ($5).
• Turn signals quit working, replaced with electronic flasher ($9).
• Side kick-stand was missing nut, caused bike to fall over, scratched up all of the guards on the left side.
• Tank was missing bolt (replaced).
• The racks were missing bolts (replaced).
• The seat had the wrong bolt in it, I replaced it with a correct one (replaced).
• Gas gauge quit working, but I re-set the ground, it now works correctly.
• Chrome exhaust is blueing terribly around the catalytic converter, would be nice if the exhaust were black.


I have almost 900 kilometers on the bike and enjoy riding it very much. Lots of people seem interested in it. I understand there is a dealer in Newnan, Ga that now carries Yingang bikes.

Would be more enjoyable if the Tach and Speedo actually worked correctly. :(

That was yesterday, today Jessie emailed me back from Yingang and they are sending out replacements for the guage cluster, the speedo drive and the battery strap.

Much better that I expected, very impressed! Thanks Massimo and Yingang! :D :D :D

Now if I could get my hands on the black exhaust with the heat shields....

[jaxtell]

The Tach is electrical, I checked the connections. But yesterday this happened (look at the tach needle):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K8IWgQscphQ/TluM-y9oF0I/AAAAAAAAAao/WUg1shb-yM0/s640/Tach.jpg

Needle? What needle? :roll: Disregarding your tachometer problems, your bike certainly has a nice instrument cluster. :) Does the fuel gauge work?

Spud :)

When I got it, it did not. But after working trying to get the tach working, I tightened the ground and now the fuel gauge does work!

[SpudRider]

The Tach is electrical, I checked the connections. But yesterday this happened (look at the tach needle):

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K8IWgQscphQ/TluM-y9oF0I/AAAAAAAAAao/WUg1shb-yM0/s640/Tach.jpg

Needle? What needle? :roll: Disregarding your tachometer problems, your bike certainly has a nice instrument cluster. :) Does the fuel gauge work?

Spud :)

When I got it, it did not. But after working trying to get the tach working, I tightened the ground and now the fuel gauge does work!
I'm very pleased to hear Yingang is sending you replacement parts for the gauge cluster, the speedometer drive and the battery strap! :D

I'm sorry to report many Chinese motorcycles have quality control issues involving loose hardware. :roll: Nevertheless, I still think you got a pretty good deal on a nice motorcycle! Thank you for reporting the good customer service from Yingang. :)

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

>Spud - Thanks! I expected a few issues going in. Did not expect such a quick reply on replacements.

It is a good bike as a commuter. The saddle bags hold what I need them to. It is comfortable. Once I get ALL of the issues corrected (including the lean condition and a taller gear), I'll take it on a longer ride!


:D :D :D :D :D

[Weldangrind]

It'll be great once it's all dialed in. It's my position that our Chinese friends do the rough-in, and we do the details.

[jaxtell]

It'll be great once it's all dialed in. It's my position that our Chinese friends do the rough-in, and we do the details.

Besides, I'm repaying China the money that the US owes them, one bike at a time!


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Oengus]

That looks like a clutch cable and the location that it connects to the lever on the engine case.

LOL what was I thinking?

[ben2go]

So, to bring everything up to date:
This is an email that I sent to Massimo, who forwarded it to Jessie at Yingang:

Here is an update on the major parts of my bike that have not or do not work on my bike:
• Tachometer - this morning the indicator fell, off, but it has never worked, I have attached a picture.
• Speedometer - The hub on the wheel was messed-up and the "fingers" bent, above 60KM/H the needle moves backwards instead of giving the correct KP/H. I have attached a picture.
• Never had a battery strap, made on out of zip-ties.

I would like to get replacements for these 3 items.

On the minor side:
• Headlamp went out - ordered and replaced bulb ($6).
• Brake light went out - replaced bulb ($5).
• Turn signals quit working, replaced with electronic flasher ($9).
• Side kick-stand was missing nut, caused bike to fall over, scratched up all of the guards on the left side.
• Tank was missing bolt (replaced).
• The racks were missing bolts (replaced).
• The seat had the wrong bolt in it, I replaced it with a correct one (replaced).
• Gas gauge quit working, but I re-set the ground, it now works correctly.
• Chrome exhaust is blueing terribly around the catalytic converter, would be nice if the exhaust were black.


I have almost 900 kilometers on the bike and enjoy riding it very much. Lots of people seem interested in it. I understand there is a dealer in Newnan, Ga that now carries Yingang bikes.

Would be more enjoyable if the Tach and Speedo actually worked correctly. :(

That was yesterday, today Jessie emailed me back from Yingang and they are sending out replacements for the guage cluster, the speedo drive and the battery strap.

Much better that I expected, very impressed! Thanks Massimo and Yingang! :D :D :D

Now if I could get my hands on the black exhaust with the heat shields....

Do you have a link,email,or phone number for the dealer in GA?I'm seriously considering one of two bikes that Yingang/Mossimo distribute in the US.

[jaxtell]

So, to bring everything up to date:
This is an email that I sent to Massimo, who forwarded it to Jessie at Yingang:

Here is an update on the major parts of my bike that have not or do not work on my bike:
• Tachometer - this morning the indicator fell, off, but it has never worked, I have attached a picture.
• Speedometer - The hub on the wheel was messed-up and the "fingers" bent, above 60KM/H the needle moves backwards instead of giving the correct KP/H. I have attached a picture.
• Never had a battery strap, made on out of zip-ties.

I would like to get replacements for these 3 items.

On the minor side:
• Headlamp went out - ordered and replaced bulb ($6).
• Brake light went out - replaced bulb ($5).
• Turn signals quit working, replaced with electronic flasher ($9).
• Side kick-stand was missing nut, caused bike to fall over, scratched up all of the guards on the left side.
• Tank was missing bolt (replaced).
• The racks were missing bolts (replaced).
• The seat had the wrong bolt in it, I replaced it with a correct one (replaced).
• Gas gauge quit working, but I re-set the ground, it now works correctly.
• Chrome exhaust is blueing terribly around the catalytic converter, would be nice if the exhaust were black.


I have almost 900 kilometers on the bike and enjoy riding it very much. Lots of people seem interested in it. I understand there is a dealer in Newnan, Ga that now carries Yingang bikes.

Would be more enjoyable if the Tach and Speedo actually worked correctly. :(

That was yesterday, today Jessie emailed me back from Yingang and they are sending out replacements for the guage cluster, the speedo drive and the battery strap.

Much better that I expected, very impressed! Thanks Massimo and Yingang! :D :D :D

Now if I could get my hands on the black exhaust with the heat shields....

Do you have a link,email,or phone number for the dealer in GA?I'm seriously considering one of two bikes that Yingang/Mossimo distribute in the US.

Supplied by Oengus:

http://smfcycles.com/shop/

Which ones are you considering?

[ben2go]

Yingang YG200-2F,MSD200,MSD200B,MSD-35

I really like the Q link XP200.I was trying to buy Barnone's XF200,but things got pushed back and then I had auto repairs come up.I'm a Suzuki lover, so that along with the XP200's 18/21 tire combo, really got me liking it.I've got four street bikes.I'm ready for a on/off road bike to explore some of these gravel roads around me.

[Oengus]

They advertise that bike with a 163FML, if you go to the Yingang site and check the engine specs, you see it is actually a 205 version. With a 63.5x65 bore and stroke, the cubage is actually almost 206cc.

They rate it with 11.5kw @8000rpm that’s 15.65hp. That’s not bad.

Yingang also has a 169FML that is an over head cam that has 16.32hp @9500 rpm. Its only a 198cc a bit smaller but also bit more powerful.

http://www.yingangmotor.com/product/enginedetail.aspx?id=23

If you like these bikes, your in luck it seems they are importing allot of them, in a variety of models and most with the 163FML also two models with the 170mm, that is a powerful 250cc with nearly 26hp. (NX250)

Get the model codes and google them it is the best way to find them…..http://www.yingangusa.com/

[ben2go]

Thanks for the info.

[jaxtell]

So the saga continues...
• Blinkers and Brake light quit again. The flasher was broken, when shaken in rattled. Had my Father-in-law check for shorts, but everything was good. Replaced the brake light and the flasher. He had an idea to mount the flasher in foam, so I got a dense piece of packing and we drilled a hole into it and mounted it under the seat (you can see the original mount at the bottom):

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y2ZsHrFEq-Y/TmjA1_19KRI/AAAAAAAAAaw/_O8pObmJ8MM/s640/Flasher.jpg

Seems to be working fine, but my brake light quit again this morning...considering an 1157 or equivalent LED bulb that might withstand the vibes.

Also, I had to remove the front brush guard.. the weld at the top came apart and the metal braces on it came off. I re-welded it and am in the process of repainting. I'll post pics on this later.

[Weldangrind]

That foam mount is an excellent idea. Have you considered an LED tail light? I picked one up for just a few dollars on eBay, including shipping. I mount items like that with rubber plumbing washers between the part and the frame for a little cushion.

[jaxtell]

That foam mount is an excellent idea. Have you considered an LED tail light? I picked one up for just a few dollars on eBay, including shipping. I mount items like that with rubber plumbing washers between the part and the frame for a little cushion.

I have been thinking that way (LED). Thanks for the tip on the rubber washers. I wonder if that would work at the motor mounts?

I found a few more MIA bolts and putting new ones in seemed to help some with the vibes.

[Weldangrind]

I don't think you could isolate the motor mounts with washers, but you can use them for everything else. Use blue Loctite on everything.

[Oengus]

Test the battery with an OHM meter and see what it is charging at. DC set at 20volts connect both leads to the right terminal start the bike and rev it, it should not be over 14.5 volts. If it is over that then it would cause the bulbs to burn out.

[jaxtell]

Test the battery with an OHM meter and see what it is charging at. DC set at 20volts connect both leads to the right terminal start the bike and rev it, it should not be over 14.5 volts. If it is over that then it would cause the bulbs to burn out.

Checked that, it seems to be the vibrations. Yesterday when we were riding, I grabbed the rear hand rail, at certain RPMs very bad vibes. I'll take the body panels off and ride this weekend to try and find the culprit.

I did get a LED bulb from Autozone, I don't think it will go out so quickly. I'm also going to take weldangrind's advice on mounting the tail light housing with rubber washers.

Thanks!

[SpudRider]

The punishing vibrations induced by riding off road will kill the filament in a tail light bulb. ;) Therefore, I installed a Trail Tech, 1157 LED bulb in my Honda's tail light assembly; it works great! :) If you don't like the AutoZone LED bulb, I suggest you try the Trail Tech LED bulb. ;)

Spud :)

[culcune]

OK, a little highjack, but Yingang related--I found this video on youtube and have corresponded with him a couple times and have tried to convince him to join here on chinariders. The bike looks very similar to the Cult of the Zongshen Sierra 200 complete with the 17" motard wheels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqKtN9fguc

Here's another Yingang video--the version that kind of sort of looks BMW-ish in appearance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q05h-TYWFBc&feature=related

[SpudRider]

OK, a little highjack, but Yingang related--I found this video on youtube and have corresponded with him a couple times and have tried to convince him to join here on chinariders. The bike looks very similar to the Cult of the Zongshen Sierra 200 complete with the 17" motard wheels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqKtN9fguc...
That's a good looking bike, and a fun video, Culcune! Thanks for sharing the link with us. :) I hope the owner joins us here at China Riders; he seems to be a fun guy. ;)

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

So, last weekend I was experiencing some bad vibes and noticed my chain need a little more adjustment. This is my second adjustment, the first time I adjusted it the same number of turns on each side and tightened it down.

However, this time, I noticed each side was different on the indicators (by about 1/8"). So I adjusted the away side to even with the sprocket side, then adjusted the chain to specs.

I don't know that this was the main thing that helped, because I went over the back end of the bike looking for things that were loose, but now everything is much smoother... could the wheel adjustment have made that much difference?

UPDATE on lighting:
• The flasher mount is working well, had to ad a zip tie to keep it from backing out of it's new foam housing.
•ÂLED taillight is also holding up very well

UPDATE on replacement parts:
• Have not heard when they will arrive...

[Weldangrind]

Those yellow covers over the bags look really good!

I would say that the chain adjustment smoothing out the vibrations makes sense. If the wheel is crooked, your rear wheel is constantly trying to turn, as it isn't parallel to the front. Also, the chain would be self-correcting every time a link enters or exits the rear sprocket. Might be wise to dump that chain before it breaks and get an RK. I use a 428H on my atv, H being heavy duty. I usually pay around $30.00 for one.

[jaxtell]

Those yellow covers over the bags look really good!

I would say that the chain adjustment smoothing out the vibrations makes sense. If the wheel is crooked, your rear wheel is constantly trying to turn, as it isn't parallel to the front. Also, the chain would be self-correcting every time a link enters or exits the rear sprocket. Might be wise to dump that chain before it breaks and get an RK. I use a 428H on my atv, H being heavy duty. I usually pay around $30.00 for one.

How long are the Chinese chains usually good for? I am not an "aggressive" rider at all, have not had much chance to go off-road (even then I am on the conservative side).

[FastDoc]

About 5,000 miles, or less.

[Weldangrind]

I would agree with 5000 miles if the chain is set up properly. Yours was crooked, so I wouldn't trust it, not considering that a good replacement is so reasonable.

[jaxtell]

I would agree with 5000 miles if the chain is set up properly. Yours was crooked, so I wouldn't trust it, not considering that a good replacement is so reasonable.

Thanks for the advice,
I'll replace it soon and maybe do a 16 tooth front sprocket at the same time.

I have pics of the sprockets, I'll load this weekend.

Just FYI- front is a 15 and rear is a 44-428 (also has WLJF stamped on it), I guess that is pretty standard on dual sports. The bolt circle appears to be 3" and the opening about 2.375" (I'll have to remove it to measure more accurately).

[SpudRider]

I think you're wise to install a good drive chain, Jax. ;) Also, I always install new sprockets with a new drive chain. In this manner the sprockets and drive chain wear together, and the drive chain lasts longer. Never install a new sprocket with an old drive chain; the old chain will quickly grind down the new sprocket. :(

If you want a conventional drive chain, I highly recommend the Tsuaki 428HQR drive chain. It's a very good drive chain, at a great price. :)

http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7356

However, I enjoy the longevity, and greatly reduced maintenance I get from O-ring drive chains. I am currently employing a gold, KMC, 428UO drive chain on my Zong. This chain looks good, has very low friction, works superbly, and is very competitively priced! I like this drive chain very much, and I won't be going back to conventional drive chains on any of my motorcycles. ;) This drive chain costs $35 at OEMCycle. :)

http://chinariders.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7356

Spud :)

[jaxtell]

Time for the weekly update on parts with my bike:
Remember the letter I sent to Jessie at Yingang USA and Massimo:

Here is an update on the major parts of my bike that have not or do not work on my bike:
• Tachometer - this morning the indicator fell, off, but it has never worked, I have attached a picture.
• Speedometer - The hub on the wheel was messed-up and the "fingers" bent, above 60KM/H the needle moves backwards instead of giving the correct KP/H. I have attached a picture.
• Never had a battery strap, made on out of zip-ties.


Today I received all of the above parts! Great job Yingang and Massimo! The parts had to go from Yingang to Massimo, then to me. And a shirt to boot!

I'll post pics later.....

[Weldangrind]

Great news! Too many dealers have been in it for the cash only, with no regard to customer satisfaction.

The shirt is a nice touch. :D

[Oengus]

There is no dealer, the distributor sold the bike direct to the customer. The problem was handled for the most part through the North American sales rep in china.

Lots of little issues actually get addressed by the dealers, then funneled up to the distributor and then its the factory that supplies parts.

In this case Jax is his own dealer and the distributor was by passed at first and then included in the solution as when the parts were shipped to them, likely with lots of other parts to resolve lots of other issues.

So Jaxs’ communications with Jessie, is not much different then dealing with the factory direct and the distributor is just a warehouse with order processor’s.

[Oengus]

http://www.skpowersports.com/v/vspfiles/photos/LUXURY%20200CC%20DIRT%20BIKE-8.jpg

Here is the best price on the YG200-8
http://www.skpowersports.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=120

$1,250.00 delivered

[Oengus]

Oh yeah and its pronounced Yin Gang not YIN YANG. Like the gang from Yin not to be confused with the symbol for balance and harmony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang)
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http://www.absolutelyfengshui.com/images/yin-yang-symbol.jpg

[ben2go]

http://www.skpowersports.com/v/vspfiles/photos/LUXURY%20200CC%20DIRT%20BIKE-8.jpg

Here is the best price on the YG200-8
http://www.skpowersports.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=120

$1,250.00 delivered

Are they reputable dealer and quick to take care of parts issues?

[Oengus]

I would say that if the "Dealer" did not offer solutions, then you would contact Massimo and copy Jessie at Yin Gang, the point is you have no real dealer if you get it shipped to you, if you need a part they will not have it. The parts are all at the factory, the distributor may stock some but likely they do not, the ability to identify a part is best out of the factory.

asking a dealer to order a part, then they ask the distributor that likely requests it from the factory.

For the time being the factory rep is making sure problems are resolved, that's very unusual to get that kind of direct support.

Basic problem solving, if you request something from the retailer, then also notify the distributor and factory at the same time. All in an email and all with a cc list; to make sure they all know what you need....in that you better know what you need.

[Oengus]

I would say that SK-Powersports is as good as any, they are selling parts for primarily ATV’s on E-bay.
http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/sk-powersports.wholesale/

[Oengus]

Here is another site selling the YinGang
http://www.mrscooters.com/7m8/DB-M08-200cc--200cc-dirt-bike-enduro-street-legal-with-5-speed-manual-transmission-and-yingang-motor-model-db-m08-200cc.html

[ben2go]

I got wait and see where I am at the first of the year.I been hit with some unexpected things.The bike I was working on to sell,I haven't been able to start on.Hopefully this week,but I won't attempt to sell it until spring.

[jaxtell]

My bike is going up for sale, decided to go another route.

$1250 or something close. Will include factory Yingang embroidered team shirt.

Will not ship, pick up close to middle Georgia.



PS Thanks to everyone that helped me sort out this bike!

[SpudRider]

My bike is going up for sale, decided to go another route.

$1250 or something close. Will include factory Yingang embroidered team shirt.

Will not ship, pick up close to middle Georgia.



PS Thanks to everyone that helped me sort out this bike!
You're welcome. :) Please don't leave us; if you get a non-Chinese bike, we would love to have you tell us about it in our Other Stuff Forum. :)

Spud :)

[ben2go]

My bike is going up for sale, decided to go another route.

$1250 or something close. Will include factory Yingang embroidered team shirt.

Will not ship, pick up close to middle Georgia.



PS Thanks to everyone that helped me sort out this bike!

I'd love to buy your bike.I just got started on three bikes I had squirreled away.

[FastDoc]

My bike is going up for sale, decided to go another route.

$1250 or something close. Will include factory Yingang embroidered team shirt.

Will not ship, pick up close to middle Georgia.



PS Thanks to everyone that helped me sort out this bike!
You're welcome. :) Please don't leave us; if you get a non-Chinese bike, we would love to have you tell us about it in our Other Stuff Forum. :)

Spud :)

Thankfully owning a Chinabike is not required or I'd have been a goner! :wink:

[ben2go]

I don't own a china bike,,,,,,,yet.It just a matter of time tho.

[jaxtell]

My bike is going up for sale, decided to go another route.

$1250 or something close. Will include factory Yingang embroidered team shirt.

Will not ship, pick up close to middle Georgia.



PS Thanks to everyone that helped me sort out this bike!

Not for sale anymore, staying at my house.......

[ben2go]

:D Good to hear.

[SpudRider]

My bike is going up for sale, decided to go another route.

$1250 or something close. Will include factory Yingang embroidered team shirt.

Will not ship, pick up close to middle Georgia.



PS Thanks to everyone that helped me sort out this bike!

Not for sale anymore, staying at my house.......
I'm glad to hear you're keeping the bike, Jax! How is it running for you? When you have time, please give us a further update. :)

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

My bike is going up for sale, decided to go another route.

$1250 or something close. Will include factory Yingang embroidered team shirt.

Will not ship, pick up close to middle Georgia.



PS Thanks to everyone that helped me sort out this bike!

Not for sale anymore, staying at my house.......
I'm glad to hear you're keeping the bike, Jax! How is it running for you? When you have time, please give us a further update. :)

Spud :)

X2! Yours is a unique bike, and I hoped you would change your mind. Looking forward to more adventures with your Yin Gang.