Another XF battery craps out...

[dmmcd]

I was leaving work yesterday, all geared up, turn the key on my XF200 and... nothing. I kick started it, fired right up, but as mentioned by several others on here, it won't rev up. Crap. It's 98 degrees, by the way. So I take off all my gear and call my wife to tell her I'm going to be a bit late. :?

I knew I had another battery somewhere around at work, but I couldn't find it. I put a charger on the XF for a little while during my search. I found a small Radio Shack 12V battery that might work. I go back to the bike and take off the charger and kick it again, same thing. It idles but won't rev. So I tried hooking up the charger while it was running, and it would rev up just fine. Then I removed the charger while revving, and discovered that if it stayed above 2500 RPM, it would continue to run and rev, but if it dropped below it would sputter and die.

I got it going, turned the idle screw in so it idled just above 2500 RPM, and off I went on my 45 minute commute home. I had to feather the clutch when starting to keep the revs from dropping, but it got me home. I had the Radio Shack battery in my backpack just in case, but I really didn't want to be doing any roadside repairs in 98 degree weather, so I was really glad when I pulled into my driveway.

And now the big question, do I put out $100+ for a Shorai super duper lightweight battery, or $50 for a regular replacement?

[Moonbloodsflow]

The battery in my XF200 crapped out a couple days ago as well. Ended up getting a Everstart ES9BS from Walmart. It's a little big and won't fit with the rubber sleeve that came on the original battery, but it fits and does the job. Doesn't really feel any heavier than the original battery to me, just a little bigger.

[Barnone]

The battery in my XF200 crapped out a couple days ago as well. Ended up getting a Everstart ES9BS from Walmart. It's a little big and won't fit with the rubber sleeve that came on the original battery, but it fits and does the job. Doesn't really feel any heavier than the original battery to me, just a little bigger.
Same for me with my XF200 and ES9BS from Walmart. I've had good luck with the Walmart batteries in my bikes and trucks

98 degrees in PA, that sucks.

[dmmcd]

I like the heat... 8)

The more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards the Shorai. I can get the LFX07 for $99, and it weighs 1 lb, and all the reviews are very positive as to the performance. I'm not too concerned about weight difference, but it seems like a good overall product.

[Weldangrind]

I'd be inclined towards the Shorai, but a little troubleshooting might be a good idea as well. With the key off, remove the negative battery cable and connect it to a multimeter set to DCV. Touch the other multimeter probe to the negative post on the battery and see if there's a reading. If so, you have something that is draining your battery at rest.

[dmmcd]

I'd be inclined towards the Shorai, but a little troubleshooting might be a good idea as well. With the key off, remove the negative battery cable and connect it to a multimeter set to DCV. Touch the other multimeter probe to the negative post on the battery and see if there's a reading. If so, you have something that is draining your battery at rest.

A very good idea, I'll check it out sometime soon. In the meantime, I'm 'stuck' riding my SV... :wink:

Amazing how powerful and fast the 650 feels after spending several days on the XF!

[SpudRider]

I like the heat... 8)

The more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards the Shorai. I can get the LFX07 for $99, and it weighs 1 lb, and all the reviews are very positive as to the performance. I'm not too concerned about weight difference, but it seems like a good overall product.
I have now ridden 7,700 miles with my Shorai battery in my Honda XR650L. The Shorai battery is great. :) However, if you aren't concerned with the weight difference, a conventional AGM battery is also a good choice. ;) Do you have a Batteries Plus store nearby? I believe Batteries Plus offers a better warranty than WalMart. ;)

Spud :)

[dmmcd]

No Batteries Plus, but I have Pep Boys, WalMart, Autozone, National Auto, NTB, Advanced Auto all within a couple miles.

I still think I'm leaning toward the Shorai. I was thinking of other weight reduction mods, and there aren't too many other than remove a few little bits and pieces. I've already pulled off the passenger pegs and replaced the handle bars. The exhaust would be the next place to go, but I don't feel like spending the cash on that and I like the relatively quiet exhaust.

[Barnone]

I like the heat... 8)

The more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards the Shorai. I can get the LFX07 for $99, and it weighs 1 lb, and all the reviews are very positive as to the performance. I'm not too concerned about weight difference, but it seems like a good overall product.
I have now ridden 7,700 miles with my Shorai battery in my Honda XR650L. The Shorai battery is great. :) However, if you aren't concerned with the weight difference, a conventional AGM battery is also a good choice. ;) Do you have a Batteries Plus store nearby? I believe Batteries Plus offers a better warranty than WalMart. ;)

Spud :)
I tried Batteries Plus for a battery to fit my XF200 but no luck.

[katoranger]

Walmart batteries have served me well. Did get a bad one off the shelf, but I finally go them to understand that even if the machine says its good that a battery could be bad. They exhanged it and no problems since.

Most of the walmart batteries are made by johnson controls who also make batteries for everyone else.

Like Spuds says. If you want to save weight get the shorai.

[SpudRider]

...Like Spuds says. If you want to save weight get the shorai.
Indeed, if you want to save weight, by all means get the Shorai battery. When it arrives, you will be convinced they sent you an empty box; it's that light! :D

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

Most of the walmart batteries are made by johnson controls who also make batteries for everyone else.

I was told by a battery distributor that Johnson Controls is number two in the world for battery quality (number one is Delco). He said that Interstate is a distant third, followed by everyone else.

[dmmcd]

I figured what the heck and went for the fancy Shorai battery. Apparently, Shorai wasn't ready for the demand and are out of stock on most everything, but I found a supplier with a LFX09 in stock. I was looking for the LFX07, which is the smallest they make, but the LFX09 is the same physical size and maybe a few ounces heavier. I paid $110 shipped, which is a bit steep, but I can always swap it into my SV for track days...

I'll take some photos when it arrives.

[SpudRider]

I figured what the heck and went for the fancy Shorai battery. Apparently, Shorai wasn't ready for the demand and are out of stock on most everything, but I found a supplier with a LFX09 in stock. I was looking for the LFX07, which is the smallest they make, but the LFX09 is the same physical size and maybe a few ounces heavier. I paid $110 shipped, which is a bit steep, but I can always swap it into my SV for track days...

I'll take some photos when it arrives.
You're going to love the Shorai battery, DM. :) When it arrives, you will think they sent you an empty box; it's that lightweight. ;) I purchased an LFX09A2 battery, and relocated the Shorai battery to the top of the air box on my Honda XR650L. :)

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/XR650L%20Shorai%20Battery%20Relocation/OilSeparatorShoraiInspectionandheatshieldadjustmen t032.jpg

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq146/spudrider/XR650L%20Shorai%20Battery%20Relocation/OilSeparatorShoraiInspectionandheatshieldadjustmen t040.jpg

By substituting the lighter Shorai battery, and eliminating the stock battery box, I dropped 9 pounds from my Honda XR650L. After 7,000 miles of rough, off road riding, the Shorai battery is still performing superbly! :D

Spud :)

[dmmcd]

I got the battery and installed it last night. The battery feels like a toy. Very small, very light.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll250/dmmcd_80/Bike/Qlink%20XF200/IMG_4238.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll250/dmmcd_80/Bike/Qlink%20XF200/IMG_4239.jpg

I had to put a lot of foam around it to make it fit in the same space, but it fits and works. The Shorai has the same cranking amps but weighs in at 1.1 lbs.

I'd like to say that the bike feels so much lighter, more nimble, more powerful, shoots laser beams, turns all the traffic lights to green, and attracts beautiful women now... but in reality I don't feel any difference. Other than the bike now starts and runs. Which is all I was hoping for.

[2LZ]

Amazing how powerful and fast the 650 feels after spending several days on the XF!
I know the feeling! I took my Vic out Saturday morning for a fuel run and HOLY COW! 8O Comapred to my XP 200, it's an 850 pound rocket ship!

[SpudRider]

...I'd like to say that the bike feels so much lighter, more nimble, more powerful, shoots laser beams, turns all the traffic lights to green, and attracts beautiful women now... but in reality I don't feel any difference. Other than the bike now starts and runs. Which is all I was hoping for.
You must have got a bad one! 8O

P.S. I'm just kidding! :lol: The Shorai batteries have a two-year warranty, and their self-discharge rate is 1/6 that of conventional, lead-acid batteries. Therefore, I think you made a wise purchase, even if the beautiful women are not begging to ride with you. ;)

Spud :D

[2LZ]

So....in a pre-emptive strike to eliminate the possibility of the "QLink Suddenly Dead Battery Syndrome", I hit Wally World yesterday and bought the recommended (N)Everstart ES9BS battery.

After filling and following the recommended sit time/charging instructions, I got up this morning to check it before installing. Happy to report it's at the recommended 12.9! Ready to go! :D

Poured a cup of coffee, brought up my short rolling chair and pulled off the side panel. Time to take out that smaller battery with a rubber boot I've read about here. I thought maybe that's why some of these are dying young. The assembler/dealer probably put in an under-rated, smaller, cheaper battery for selling.

Loe and behold! I look....no rubber boot! The battery was in the nice and snug, all by itself.
I removed it...."Hmm....looks like the one I just bought."
Sure enough! Even the lines and molding markings in the casing was the same! 8O Sealed unit, no vent tube.

Oh well....sticking with the 'known good and new' battery anyway.
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/2LZ_photos/2009%20Q%20Link%20200XP/CIMG6028.jpg

[dmmcd]

Looks like yours was already upgraded! Oh well, I guess it's still good to have a spare one on hand.

[Weldangrind]

Perhaps it's notable that both batteries say BS on them.

[SpudRider]

Perhaps it's notable that both batteries say BS on them.
BS=Battery Sealed, or, it could mean something else. ;)

Spud :lol:

[dmmcd]

Perhaps it's notable that both batteries say BS on them.
BS=Battery Sealed, or, it could mean something else. ;)

Spud :lol:

B designates the type of terminal (most motorcycles use B terminals) and the S signifies sealed, non-spillable. At least according to Yuasa, other companies may have different naming conventions...

[SpudRider]

Perhaps it's notable that both batteries say BS on them.
BS=Battery Sealed, or, it could mean something else. ;)

Spud :lol:
B designates the type of terminal (most motorcycles use B terminals) and the S signifies sealed, non-spillable. At least according to Yuasa, other companies may have different naming conventions...
I bet you're correct about the B designation, DM. :) There are no industry standards for battery designations; each manufacturer creates its own code. For example, Shorai batteries use an A/L code to designate the battery terminal postions. ;)

http://www.shoraipower.com/c-1-batteries.aspx

However, I bet Adventurestart and Everstart probably copied the Yuasu battery designations. ;)

Spud :)