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SpudRider 10-08-2014 02:37 AM

Here are the malfunction codes for the Delphi MT05 ECM, as retrieved from the service manual.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps2687f95a.jpg

These codes match the OBDII codes shown at the following website. :)

http://www.troublecodes.net/OBD2/Pcodes/

SpudRider 10-08-2014 03:12 AM

Here is the Delphi MT05 wiring diagram for a 2-cylinder engine, taken from the service manual.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/q...psfe06609b.jpg

SpudRider 10-08-2014 03:19 AM

Here is the connector pin information for the Delphi MT05 ECM.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps05a09e47.jpg

Neither connector appears to fit the OBD2 scanner connector, which is shown below. :hmm:

http://www.obdii.com/images/connectorblue.GIF

The OBD2 pin connections are described in the following link.

http://www.obdii.com/connector.html

The Delphi MT05 uses a 6-pin connector for diagnostics, as shown in the photograph below.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fzei72e064...024_200632.jpg

Therefore, it seems we will need to make an adapter to connect the appropriate pins of the OBD2 connector to the 6-pin Delphi connector. Likewise, we could also make an adapter to connect the OBD2 connector to one of the 18-pin connectors on the MT05 ECM itself.

SpudRider 10-08-2014 03:28 AM

The Delphi fuel injectors have a heated tip to aid starting a cold engine with ethanol fuel. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdJL36J6d5k

SpudRider 10-08-2014 04:05 AM

The Delphi MAP/MAT sensor employed by the Zongshen RX3 is specified in the Delphi service manual.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/q...psb2a1582f.jpg

This item has several part numbers.

Delphi 12232201
Delphi AMW250118
Delphi 93333350
Delphi SMW250118

Weldangrind 10-08-2014 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 174031)
These codes match the OBDII codes shown at the following website. :)

Excellent! I'm pleased to hear that Delphi chose industry-standard existing codes. :tup:

Weldangrind 10-08-2014 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 174036)

http://www.obdii.com/images/connectorblue.GIF

The Delphi MT05 uses a 6-pin connector for diagnostics, as shown in the photograph below.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fzei72e064...024_200632.jpg

Therefore, it seems we will need to make an adapter to connect the appropriate pins of the OBD2 connector to the 6-pin Delphi connector. Likewise, we could also make an adapter to connect the OBD2 connector to one of the 18-pin connectors on the MT05 ECM itself.

J1 and J2 are the connectors at the ECM, and are not designed for scanner interface, much like in your car. What we need to find is either the male version of the Delphi 6-pin, or just buy a male OBD2 connector and ditch the Delphi connector.

What we need to know is the pinout of the Delphi 6-pin.

Weldangrind 10-08-2014 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 174038)
The Delphi fuel injectors have a heated tip to aid starting a cold engine with ethanol fuel. :)

I agree that a heated injector would help with cold-starting (as you say), but I do not agree that ethanol will not ignite in liquid form (as the video implies).

Non-heated auto injector systems and even E85-specific carbs will still run without added heat.

The real benefit is easy, consistent starting in any temperature, and no need for an enrichment circuit or conventional choke.

SpudRider 10-08-2014 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 174049)
I agree that a heated injector would help with cold-starting (as you say), but I do not agree that ethanol will not ignite in liquid form (as the video implies).

Non-heated auto injector systems and even E85-specific carbs will still run without added heat.

The real benefit is easy, consistent starting in any temperature, and no need for an enrichment circuit or conventional choke.

As always, thank you for you informed input, Weld. :)

SpudRider 10-08-2014 02:02 PM

I believe the Delphi, 6-pin female is Delphi part #12052848. Here are just a few links to vendors for that part.

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...Q5ZRoCdwDw_wcB

http://www.electricalhub.com/delphi-...pack-connector

http://www.waytekwire.com/item/38210...-SERIES-6-PIN/

I believe the Delphi, 6-pin male connector is Delphi part #12124107. Here are a few links for that part.

http://www.waytekwire.com/item/38209...-SERIES-6-PIN/

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...jRDxoCi9fw_wcB

http://elcodis.com/parts/2024047/12124107.html

http://delphi.com/connectors/product...esults&start=0

SpudRider 10-08-2014 02:05 PM

Perhaps the easiest solution is to buy an adapter harness, such as the one in the link below, and wire the appropriate Delphi plug on the other end.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-to-16-Pin..._Tools&vxp=mtr

SpudRider 10-08-2014 02:13 PM

Here is some more information on OBD2 connector wiring.

http://www.bmwgm5.com/Peake_AB03.htm
http://www.obdtester.com/obd2_connector
http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Detail?no=160
https://plxdevices.com/obd/
http://www.obdtester.com/obd2_protocols
http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/74-...t-install.html
http://www.rberger.com/Car_Diagnosti...stic_Codes.php

SpudRider 10-08-2014 02:18 PM

Someone was selling a Delphi Motor Scan KF90121 on ebay for $109.99, delivered. See the information at the bottom of the webpage. ;)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Delphi-Motor...78bdf1&vxp=mtr

Here are some photographs of the Delphi motor scan, and it's connectors.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTg1WDk2Mw...T79mi/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTM2WDUyNg...T79np/$_57.JPG

Here are some other photographs of the scanner.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTg1WDk1NQ...T79m3/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTg1WDEwND...T79nI/$_57.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTI2WDkzNg...T79nS/$_57.JPG

SpudRider 10-08-2014 02:25 PM

Here's the wiring diagram for the scanner connector from page 70 of the Delphi service manual.

http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps1ccb9893.jpg

Weldangrind 10-09-2014 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 174061)
Perhaps the easiest solution is to buy an adapter harness, such as the one in the link below, and wire the appropriate Delphi plug on the other end.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-to-16-Pin..._Tools&vxp=mtr

Perhaps somebody already manufactures a Dephi 6-pin to OBDII adapter.


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