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SpudRider 10-19-2015 10:46 AM

The Zongshen TT 250 is Coming
 
CSC is definitely going to import the Zongshen TT Special. The bike is currently undergoing EPA certification tests. ;)

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=18559

Mudflap 10-19-2015 11:03 AM

That's good news and must mean that the RX3 has been a financial success so far. Hope to see them import a whole line of Zongshen bikes in the future.

Maybe I can order an oil pump chain when they get their parts stock in place.

Huck369 10-19-2015 11:15 AM

I like it, but it needs to come with a rear rack, to make it easier to install some luggage, or haul stuff (just a suggestions for while they are testing it)

SpudRider 10-19-2015 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huck369 (Post 195065)
I like it, but it needs to come with a rear rack, to make it easier to install some luggage, or haul stuff (just a suggestions for while they are testing it)

I agree. I think all dual sport bikes need a strong luggage rack. :)

Adjuster 10-19-2015 11:55 AM

Pricing is not yet confirmed right? Very nice looking bike.


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SpudRider 10-19-2015 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adjuster (Post 195074)
Pricing is not yet confirmed right? Very nice looking bike.


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That's correct. I haven't seen any official price listed. However, the CSC Blog hints we are going to learn more in the near future. ;)

I believe this bike has an actual 250cc engine. In addition, CSC has ordered the bikes with USD forks, and disc brakes on both wheels.

wilserchinarider 10-19-2015 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huck369 (Post 195065)
I like it, but it needs to come with a rear rack, to make it easier to install some luggage, or haul stuff (just a suggestions for while they are testing it)

I believe it has a rack, looks exactly like my Hawk. The rear cast aluminum rack doesn't look like much of a rack, but it is very useful. Works as well or better than the 1'st generation chinabike tubular racks, and is more attractive in my opinion.

Weldangrind 10-19-2015 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 195085)
That's correct. I haven't seen any official price listed. However, the CSC Blog hints we are going to learn more in the near future. ;)

I believe this bike has an actual 250cc engine. In addition, CSC has ordered the bikes with USD forks, and disc brakes on both wheels.

I'd be interested in a confirmation. I've yet to see an actual 250cc CG engine that is not liquid cooled. It is more likely to be either 223cc or 230cc.

Weldangrind 10-19-2015 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudflap (Post 195064)
That's good news and must mean that the RX3 has been a financial success so far. Hope to see them import a whole line of Zongshen bikes in the future.

Maybe I can order an oil pump chain when they get their parts stock in place.

Is your oil pump chain similar to a cam chain? If so, maybe you could make one. Forum member nevernuf removed links from a cam chain that was too long for his OHC engine, using this tool: http://world.taobao.com/item/1841252...u=82e9r01sd57b

Weldangrind 10-19-2015 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adjuster (Post 195074)
Very nice looking bike.

I agree. I think it's a really cool design.

Mudflap 10-19-2015 04:59 PM

It's a similar idea to the plate type cam chains but only 3 plates wide and very tiny. My guess is that most CG engines with a balance shaft use the same oil pump chain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 195118)
Is your oil pump chain similar to a cam chain? If so, maybe you could make one. Forum member nevernuf removed links from a cam chain that was too long for his OHC engine, using this tool: http://world.taobao.com/item/1841252...u=82e9r01sd57b


Weldangrind 10-19-2015 05:31 PM

Have you asked Humanbeing for help?

SpudRider 10-19-2015 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 195116)
I'd be interested in a confirmation. I've yet to see an actual 250cc CG engine that is not liquid cooled. It is more likely to be either 223cc or 230cc.

If my memory is not failing me, Joe Berk told me it is a 249cc Zongshen engine. ;) I believe either HumanBeing, or Joe, can verify such a motor exists. :)

Weldangrind 10-19-2015 08:32 PM

No disrespect intended towards our good friend Joe. Even if 249cc is stamped on the cylinder, I'd still like to know the actual bore and stroke numbers. If such parts do exist, I'll be buying them on Taobao for my own CG motors.

culcune 10-19-2015 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 195060)
CSC is definitely going to import the Zongshen TT Special. The bike is currently undergoing EPA certification tests. ;)

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=18559

I wonder if it will be iconic like your Sierra? Then again, that bike was 'different' due to the Yamaha-like engine it employed, while the fat rear tire helped it stand out. This one looks quite stout, but like someone mentioned, I hope for a standard rack. I mean, after all, that is what has made Chinabikes stand out among the mainstream competition :)

demidestructo 10-20-2015 03:23 AM

This makes me so happy as I have been waiting to see if this bike was coming over .Ill start saving now so maybe ill have enough by the time it gets here!

dpl096 10-21-2015 12:16 PM

TT
 
Is the TT intended to go head to head with the SSR XF-250 . . . . or are we basically talking about the same bike just different branding?

SpudRider 10-22-2015 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpl096 (Post 195299)
Is the TT intended to go head to head with the SSR XF-250 . . . . or are we basically talking about the same bike just different branding?

No, I don't think the CSC TT Special is intended to compete with the SSR bikes. However, the TT Special has a few features which set it apart from the similar bikes.

Counterbalanced Engine
USD Forks
Disc Brakes on both Wheels
Zongshen Manufactured

CSC Parts and Warranty Support

SpudRider 10-22-2015 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 195116)
I'd be interested in a confirmation. I've yet to see an actual 250cc CG engine that is not liquid cooled. It is more likely to be either 223cc or 230cc.

I had several questions to ask, so I called CSC today. I inquired regarding the engine size of the TT Special. CSC did believe the engine was 249cc, but they discovered they were wrong. ;) Once again, you are correct my friend. :tup:

Adjuster 10-22-2015 12:40 AM

Spud did they give you a 'for sale' date or prediction?



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SpudRider 10-22-2015 12:49 AM

The TT Special bikes will probably be arriving before springtime next year. :)

dpl096 10-22-2015 09:41 AM

Ssr xf-250
 
The SSR XF-250 is a great looking bike but I'm told here in the people's republic of Illinois you can't get one titled and registered for street use . . . What's funny is I started out wanting a great inexpensive dual sport and while doing my research on it is how I came across the RX3. . Now I'm anxious to hear/see more on the TT.

Mudflap 10-22-2015 10:56 AM

Spud,

Did they say what the bore and stroke are, or the engine number?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 195322)
I had several questions to ask, so I called CSC today. I inquired regarding the engine size of the TT Special. CSC did believe the engine was 249cc, but they discovered they were wrong. ;) Once again, you are correct my friend. :tup:


Weldangrind 10-22-2015 11:28 AM

X2. I'm curious to learn the actual displacement.

I wanted to be wrong. I was hoping that parts existed to make a CG-based air cooled 250.

SpudRider 10-22-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudflap (Post 195344)
Spud,

Did they say what the bore and stroke are, or the engine number?

No, I didn't ask. However, I will ask the next time I call.

culcune 10-22-2015 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpl096 (Post 195299)
Is the TT intended to go head to head with the SSR XF-250 . . . . or are we basically talking about the same bike just different branding?

Keep in mind, while many bikes in China are near identical, the SSR bikes, manufactured by Qingqi, have a near-clone of a Suzuki engine as Qingqi manufactures some of Suzuki's sub-250cc engines as an OEM.

My guess is the Zongshen will use one of its stout, Honda-ish engines, which is not a bad thing at all! My TMEC 200 uses a Zongshen manufactured 197cc engine (167 FML engine family) , and I have well over 10,000 miles in the past 18 months of ownership with nothing but oil changes every 600 miles or once a month.

I do hope that CSC take their RX3 bike into account and do not try to price the TT near that level of pricing to compete with SSR and their XF250's.

Adjuster 10-22-2015 11:15 PM

The TT has to be below $2,000.00 or they won't sell any. Too many other choices out there well below $2,000.00. But at this point its just guessing. Heck it could be a $500.00 motorcycle, maybe CSC is getting a great deal on them. ;)



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pismocycleguy 10-24-2015 07:20 PM

Weld, you're correct!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 195116)
I'd be interested in a confirmation. I've yet to see an actual 250cc CG engine that is not liquid cooled. It is more likely to be either 223cc or 230cc.

You are correct, the actual displacement is 230cc's, or eight fluid ounces.:clap:
What else do you know for sure about the CSC's TT250 bike? :hmm:
:thanks:

Weldangrind 10-25-2015 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pismocycleguy (Post 195527)
You are correct, the actual displacement is 230cc's, or eight fluid ounces.:clap:
What else do you know for sure about the CSC's TT250 bike? :hmm:
:thanks:

If you're asking me, I only know what I see. CG (pushrod) counterbalanced motor, inverted forks, disc front and rear, air injection reaction device in the exhaust, Keihin-style carb and what looks to be a comfy saddle. Sharp bike.

ripcuda 10-25-2015 10:34 AM

Sweet! An upgraded Hawk with all the best features, Zong-made fit 'n finish, and CSC support. Around $2k should be a winner.

Wonder what sprockets they'll come with out-of-the-box.

Cheers!

katoranger 10-25-2015 10:38 AM

This has my attention. Maybe a Zong will be in my future. I can ride gravel to work.

2LZ 10-25-2015 11:25 AM

This does look really nice and the Hondanoid motors have certainly proven themselves as extremely durable. I really do hope that they don't price it up with the SSR bikes. The SSR bikes have really jumped a lot of $$$ since they were marketed as Q Links and Konkers, even for their 200cc.

jjn 10-26-2015 01:15 AM

There's some dealer on Oahu selling the SSR 250 dual sport for $3700.

SpudRider 10-26-2015 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by culcune (Post 195395)
...I do hope that CSC take their RX3 bike into account and do not try to price the TT near that level of pricing to compete with SSR and their XF250's.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2LZ (Post 195577)
This does look really nice and the Hondanoid motors have certainly proven themselves as extremely durable. I really do hope that they don't price it up with the SSR bikes. The SSR bikes have really jumped a lot of $$$ since they were marketed as Q Links and Konkers, even for their 200cc.

I'm pretty confident the TT Special bikes won't be priced anywhere near as expensive as the SSR bikes. ;)

Darkrider 10-26-2015 04:05 AM

Now what would make this even better is if the TT was eventually canada bound as well Eh? ok maybe not..i already have enough reading to do on the RX3...

Weldangrind 10-26-2015 10:54 AM

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TT offered for sale in Canada eventually.

culcune 10-26-2015 09:42 PM

You guys are supposed to get the RX3 via CSC, correct?

Darkrider 10-26-2015 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 195667)
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TT offered for sale in Canada eventually.

Likewise...maybe by the time it is i will finally have an RX3 in the collection lol

Weldangrind 10-27-2015 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by culcune (Post 195729)
You guys are supposed to get the RX3 via CSC, correct?

Correct. No distributors in Canada at this time.

pismocycleguy 10-28-2015 07:45 PM

Weight of Zong TT 250
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 195557)
If you're asking me, I only know what I see. CG (pushrod) counterbalanced motor, inverted forks, disc front and rear, air injection reaction device in the exhaust, Keihin-style carb and what looks to be a comfy saddle. Sharp bike.

Any "guesstimate" on the weight of the TT250?
I'm hoping that the weight will be close to 250 pounds or 115 Kgs.
:thanks:


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