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pistolclass 05-10-2016 06:18 PM

Adjusting valve procedure
 
When adjusting the valves on the Hawk I understand you open the inspection hole a turn the engine by hand until you see the mark, Does it matter if it is on the compression stroke?

mq1991 05-10-2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pistolclass (Post 215808)
When adjusting the valves on the Hawk I understand you open the inspection hole a turn the engine by hand until you see the mark, Does it matter if it is on the compression stroke?

Definitely, with the spark plug out, put your finger over the hole and you should feel the pressure against your finger on the right stroke. Alternatively, you can feel the rocker arms to see if they are loose. Problem is, they could be misadjusted so far that they are tight even on the compression stroke (like mine).

Many have said to use the kickstarter to turn it over, but I found it MUCH easier to turn the engine over accurately with a ratchet. Just remove the side cover and use the appropriate socket(cant remember what size it was now...) Side note, be sure to turn the engine over in the right direction!

Good luck! :tup:

Weldangrind 05-11-2016 01:29 AM

I found a ratchet to be a frustration. Once the engine gets to TDC, the tendency is for it to roll over, and the ratchet will allow that. Since you shouldn't turn the engine backwards, you then have to turn it 720 degrees to get where you should be.


I use a breaker bar and a firm grip. Much easier.

MotoCheez 05-11-2016 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pistolclass (Post 215808)
When adjusting the valves on the Hawk I understand you open the inspection hole a turn the engine by hand until you see the mark, Does it matter if it is on the compression stroke?

I did some corrective annotations on the original video I made. Even the clearances. I used the Honda CG125 manual. the Chinese manual says .002-.003"

pistolclass 05-11-2016 10:42 AM

Great thanks guys. I got my Mikuni I'm going to drop a 110 and set the doohiky thing to the 2nd slot. MotoCheez seems to have good luck with that. I will then tinker once a get a baseline.

2LZ 05-11-2016 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 215857)
I use a breaker bar and a firm grip. Much easier.

X2! By far the best tool for this!

pcspecialist 05-11-2016 01:47 PM

CSC says 0.07 mm (snug 0.003, sloppy 0.002 inches)

They make more work of the task than necessary, no need to remove the tank.

http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=19832


I think when mine arrives, I'll do a sloppy 0.003 inches, maybe even more on the exhaust. I suspect it won't be sloppy for long.

pcspecialist 05-11-2016 02:00 PM

How much clearance do you think I can go with before performance suffers? MotoCheez, you originally did 0.005" exhaust and 0.004" intake, did you notice any difference? I would guess not, just a little more noisy (ticking).

2LZ 05-11-2016 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pcspecialist (Post 215938)
How much clearance do you think I can go with before performance suffers? MotoCheez, you originally did 0.005" exhaust and 0.004" intake, did you notice any difference? I would guess not, just a little more noisy (ticking).

I do .05MM on the intake and .08MM on the exhaust on all my Hondoids. No problems.

w0ss 05-17-2016 08:56 PM

I just did my valve adjustment. I couldn't find any point where I had slack on either rocker arm. I think I did it right, where before it didn't idle good at all it now does. I do hear a what I would call a slappy sound though is that normal? before I adjusted that I only seemed to hear that at high RPM.

dpl096 05-17-2016 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by w0ss (Post 216873)
I just did my valve adjustment. I couldn't find any point where I had slack on either rocker arm. I think I did it right, where before it didn't idle good at all it now does. I do hear a what I would call a slappy sound though is that normal? before I adjusted that I only seemed to hear that at high RPM.

As they say ....a slappy valve is a happy valve.

w0ss 05-17-2016 09:06 PM

ok good :) I was a bit concerned for a second that I did it wrong.

Entropy 05-17-2016 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mq1991 (Post 215813)
Definitely, with the spark plug out, put your finger over the hole and you should feel the pressure against your finger on the right stroke. Alternatively, you can feel the rocker arms to see if they are loose. Problem is, they could be misadjusted so far that they are tight even on the compression stroke (like mine).

Many have said to use the kickstarter to turn it over, but I found it MUCH easier to turn the engine over accurately with a ratchet. Just remove the side cover and use the appropriate socket(cant remember what size it was now...) Side note, be sure to turn the engine over in the right direction!

Good luck! :tup:

Dumb question, but which direction is the right direction?

pcspecialist 05-17-2016 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Entropy (Post 216882)
Dumb question, but which direction is the right direction?

The same direction that the starter turns it.

SpudRider 05-17-2016 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Entropy (Post 216882)
Dumb question, but which direction is the right direction?

Turn the crankshaft so it rotates forward, the same as both wheels. ;)


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