Won't start?

GeneralTso · 05-19-2016, 03:12 PM

Okay so had to step away before I got all Clarke Griswold, but the darn thing won't turnover now. Have gas, spark, haven't messed with anything sin e I had it running the other day. Not sure where to go next.

Maybe I need to adjust the valves? I know that can make it hard to start.

Also does anyone have any idea what I should expect to see on a compression test?

Man I hate this ko d of annoying stuff, need a battery this kicking is for those young fellas!

Adjuster · 05-19-2016, 05:40 PM

Maybe broke a bunch of junk loose in the gas and the carb is blocked up?

/

BlackBike · 05-19-2016, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adjuster

Maybe broke a bunch of junk loose in the gas and the carb is blocked up?

/

yea, throw a little gas in the plug hole , it should pop.

GeneralTso · 05-19-2016, 06:37 PM

OK, I'll give it a try later. I was going all worst case ha-ha

farmbath · 05-19-2016, 06:55 PM

Kill switch off/on?

Azhule · 05-19-2016, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmbath

Kill switch off/on?

Speaking of those "Kill Switch wires"... maybe one of the "Safety/Kill Switch" wires got bumped/removed during everything you have been doing? ... I've done that before when I was replacing things on the Kawasaki, eventually I bypassed them when I found out 'faulty safety switch wires' was the reason I was left 'stranded' one day

Check the Neutral, Clutch, Brake 'safety/kill switch' wires (if it has any

)

GeneralTso · 05-20-2016, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azhule

Speaking of those "Kill Switch wires"... maybe one of the "Safety/Kill Switch" wires got bumped/removed during everything you have been doing? ... I've done that before when I was replacing things on the Kawasaki, eventually I bypassed them when I found out 'faulty safety switch wires' was the reason I was left 'stranded' one day

Check the Neutral, Clutch, Brake 'safety/kill switch' wires (if it has any

)

Yeah that was my first thought too. Didn't find anything though.

BlackBike · 05-20-2016, 12:18 AM

You know, the perfect solution for that kill sw on the odd occasions I happen to use it would be to replace it with a momentary switch. That way you won't forget it has been thrown and sit there cranking and cranking like an idiot which I confess to have done.

I guess it's useful for turning over the engine without ignition for some reason.

Weldangrind · 05-20-2016, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralTso

Okay so had to step away before I got all Clarke Griswold, but the darn thing won't turnover now. Have gas, spark, haven't messed with anything sin e I had it running the other day. Not sure where to go next.

Maybe I need to adjust the valves? I know that can make it hard to start.

Also does anyone have any idea what I should expect to see on a compression test?

Please clarify for me; you said it won't turn over, and then you're asking about compression and valves. Are you saying it will turn over with the starter, but won't fire?

Loved the Griswold reference.

GeneralTso · 05-20-2016, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Please clarify for me; you said it won't turn over, and then you're asking about compression and valves. Are you saying it will turn over with the starter, but won't fire?

Loved the Griswold reference.

No battery so just kicking it. It will kick over but won't fire. i did try spraying starting fluid in the carb and it kicked over for a second so I'd say I have a fuel issue.

Pulled the gas line from the petcock and fuel does come out of petcock, pulled fuel line off carb and fuel is making it that far, next step is pull the carb and see if I can find anything. Carb is right out the box, was firing on 2nd/3rd kick so not sure what changed.

All I've done since last time it ran is reinstall air-box and attach throttle (no more vise grips).

Damn Murphy I guess.

Adjuster · 05-20-2016, 07:17 PM

When you twist the throttle and let it go can you hear the carb slide smacking/seating back to the bottom of the carb slide tube? You should hear metal to metal as the slide seats back into the bottom of the tube.

Did you mess with the choke at all?

Try turning the idle screw up higher.

Has to be something to do with the installation of the throttle.

/

/

GeneralTso · 05-20-2016, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adjuster

When you twist the throttle and let it go can you hear the carb slide smacking/seating back to the bottom of the carb slide tube? You should hear metal to metal as the slide seats back into the bottom of the tube.

Did you mess with the choke at all?

Try turning the idle screw up higher.

Has to be something to do with the installation of the throttle.

/

Yeah slide seems fine, no change to the choke but has to be something along that line. I'm going to pull the carb tomorrow. It wants to run not electrical thank God.

dpl096 · 05-20-2016, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBike

You know, the perfect solution for that kill sw on the odd occasions I happen to use it would be to replace it with a momentary switch. That way you won't forget it has been thrown and sit there cranking and cranking like an idiot which I confess to have done.

I guess it's useful for turning over the engine without ignition for some reason.

I've done the same thing ....and it really tends to upset one's delicate mental wellness balance when it occurs.

BARLOW · 05-20-2016, 08:50 PM

if you can get to the back of the carb with the palm of your hand (air tube off), cover the whole back of the carb with your palm and push the kick lever down with your hand till you feel it sucking on your hand and then stop sucking again ... hand should now smell strong of fuel and maybe be a touch wet from fuel ... if it is, try to start it (that is often a quick way to clear a jet)

GeneralTso · 05-20-2016, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BARLOW

if you can get to the back of the carb with the palm of your hand (air tube off), cover the whole back of the carb with your palm and push the kick lever down with your hand till you feel it sucking on your hand and then stop sucking again ... hand should now smell strong of fuel and maybe be a touch wet from fuel ... if it is, try to start it (that is often a quick way to clear a jet)

Sure why not, can't hurt. So the side that connects to the air box or the manifold side?

05-19-2016, 03:12 PM	#1
GeneralTso Join Date: May 2016 Location: Middle TN Posts: 312	Won't start? (FIXED) Okay so had to step away before I got all Clarke Griswold, but the darn thing won't turnover now. Have gas, spark, haven't messed with anything sin e I had it running the other day. Not sure where to go next. Maybe I need to adjust the valves? I know that can make it hard to start. Also does anyone have any idea what I should expect to see on a compression test? Man I hate this ko d of annoying stuff, need a battery this kicking is for those young fellas! __________________ 2005 Kazuma Cheetah 200 (Swamp Thing) Last edited by GeneralTso; 05-22-2016 at 12:49 PM.
	1

05-19-2016, 06:37 PM	#4
GeneralTso Join Date: May 2016 Location: Middle TN Posts: 312	OK, I'll give it a try later. I was going all worst case ha-ha __________________ 2005 Kazuma Cheetah 200 (Swamp Thing)
	0

05-20-2016, 12:18 AM	#8
BlackBike Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: George West, Texas Posts: 4,097	You know, the perfect solution for that kill sw on the odd occasions I happen to use it would be to replace it with a momentary switch. That way you won't forget it has been thrown and sit there cranking and cranking like an idiot which I confess to have done. I guess it's useful for turning over the engine without ignition for some reason. __________________ ***************************************** 2015 Bashan"Blaze" BS250GY-31 (DB-07K-250) GONE 2017 Suzuki V Strom 650 XT "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~Benjamin Franklin~
	1

05-19-2016, 05:40 PM	#2
Adjuster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Deerfield Beach FL Posts: 1,410	Maybe broke a bunch of junk loose in the gas and the carb is blocked up? /
	0

05-19-2016, 06:55 PM	#5
farmbath Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 45	Kill switch off/on?
	0

05-20-2016, 07:17 PM	#11
Adjuster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Deerfield Beach FL Posts: 1,410	When you twist the throttle and let it go can you hear the carb slide smacking/seating back to the bottom of the carb slide tube? You should hear metal to metal as the slide seats back into the bottom of the tube. Did you mess with the choke at all? Try turning the idle screw up higher. Has to be something to do with the installation of the throttle. / /
	0

05-20-2016, 08:50 PM	#14
BARLOW Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: central illinois Posts: 362	if you can get to the back of the carb with the palm of your hand (air tube off), cover the whole back of the carb with your palm and push the kick lever down with your hand till you feel it sucking on your hand and then stop sucking again ... hand should now smell strong of fuel and maybe be a touch wet from fuel ... if it is, try to start it (that is often a quick way to clear a jet)
	0