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Old 06-06-2016, 04:02 AM   #1
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Hawk clutch slipping?

So last weekend I got into a pretty gnarly uphill climb on fist sized rocks and stalled it. Trying to start again I dug in a bit as in rocks gone and digging into terra firma. This is when I noticed that if I gave it a good amount of throttle to not stall out I could hear a horrible sound from the engine as I feed in clutch. The clutch engages at a reasonable spot on the lever so I thought I had it right. Rotella 15w40 that I thought is JASA. So what to do? Fiddle with the clutch adjustments or is it the oil?


 
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Old 06-06-2016, 04:31 AM   #2
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You maybe right I couldn't find a JASO rating for any of the Rotella products
on the Shell web site.... maybe there.. but well hiden..

motor bike oil has to do 3 jobs...
A... lube the motor...
B... handle the high shear loads of the gears in the box..
C... have fast squeeze out to stop clutch slip...



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Old 06-06-2016, 01:55 PM   #3
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It's all there for you to see, in several places actually... on their bottles, on their website pages, and on their PDF files on their website... look for the "; JASO DH-2, MA;" approval

http://s02.static-shell.com/content/...6-brochure.pdf

http://s06.static-shell.com/content/...5-brochure.pdf

http://s08.static-shell.com/content/...e-brochure.pdf
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Old 06-21-2016, 02:35 AM   #4
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So does anyone have some tips on adjusting the clutch correctly since I'm using the correct oil?


 
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Old 06-21-2016, 08:43 AM   #5
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"10 - 20mm of freeplay on the clutch lever" (0.39 - 0.79 inches of freeplay)

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Old 06-21-2016, 02:34 PM   #6
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"10 - 20mm of freeplay on the clutch lever" (0.39 - 0.79 inches of freeplay)

What are the implications of not having this freeplay?
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Old 06-21-2016, 03:55 PM   #7
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Potential clutch slippage. On my English bikes, I maintained 1/8 - 3/16ths freeplay. And I eyeballed it frequently. Not just before I rode. The clutch on my Ariel Red Hunter was so sweet, I did not anything to go wrong. That was a cork lined almost dry clutch. These are wet clutches. More inclined to drag, but hard to overheat. I would check everything from the clutch activator on up to the handlebar lever. I have seen pictures of factory miss-aligned cable holders down on the motor/transmission. Get it all working smooth and you will lower the chances of clutch drag/overheating.
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Potential clutch slippage. On my English bikes, I maintained 1/8 - 3/16ths freeplay. And I eyeballed it frequently. Not just before I rode. The clutch on my Ariel Red Hunter was so sweet, I did not anything to go wrong. That was a cork lined almost dry clutch. These are wet clutches. More inclined to drag, but hard to overheat. I would check everything from the clutch activator on up to the handlebar lever. I have seen pictures of factory miss-aligned cable holders down on the motor/transmission. Get it all working smooth and you will lower the chances of clutch drag/overheating.
Is this akin to "riding the clutch" on a car, causing premature clutch wear? Maybe I should loosen mine up a bit.
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Yes it is. And even more like having no free play at the clutch pedal. Too loose can cause clutch drag, so don't over do it. On a wet clutch, 1/4-3/8 inch free play may be better.
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Is this akin to "riding the clutch" on a car, causing premature clutch wear? Maybe I should loosen mine up a bit.


 
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