A hello, and a request

KYMutant · 03-25-2021, 02:45 AM

Hello. I've been lurking around the forum for a while, but never posted much. I'm from Kentucky, and I'm looking to pull the trigger on a China bike. I've looked at so many lately that they're all starting to run together on me and are starting to seem so similar, that I feel like maybe I'm going nuts. Lol

Anyway, I've narrowed it down to a few choices, and hope you guys can point out if I'm getting ready to make a big flaw.

Im thinking about the straight Hawk 250 from Orion which comes assembled, and tested for $1450. The next option is the Hawk efi from Amazon for $1950 no assembly, which isn't a big deal. The last option is the Brozz from peace for $1950.

Is the efi hawk or the brozz that much better to pay the extra $400?

If I go with the Hawk efi, the first thing that's happening is some razor action to remove the "strongest" area on the side. Lol

Boatguy · 03-25-2021, 06:33 AM

My advice purchasing anything with an engine is to go efi, if possible.

It’s a complete joy when your equipment/toy starts first time, every time no matter what.

Huck369 · 03-25-2021, 07:02 AM

What part of Kentucky are you in? I'm in Somerset.....
As for EFI, it is very nice for sure, but a carb'ed bike can be OK too, will just require a little more fiddling with to get right, and a little more maintenance down the road....

tknj99 · 03-25-2021, 08:13 AM

Welcome.. I say leave the sticker on, it gives the bike greatest of character.. also when people ask about it you could always say that out of all of the Chinese bikes this one earned the Strongest designation in its class

TxTaoRider · 03-25-2021, 10:01 AM

My advise is if you dont plan on any intake or exhaust changes, and you dont mind replacing fuel pumps, then go efi. If you plan on doing any engine mods, and dont mind changing carb jets (and saving $300 on the price), then go with the regular model.
Of course it depends on where you live, there are some states that will only register the efi models.

Megadan · 03-25-2021, 02:51 PM

Of those 3 options, I would narrow it down to the realistic use of the bike. If you are going to be using it mostly on-road but want to have some trail fun from time to time get the Brozz. It's plenty capable of light off roading, has better quality control out of the box, and the counter balanced motor makes it smoother.

The Hawks are nice with the larger wheels for off road and do allow for a lot more tire selection in that regard.

People make too much of a big deal about the carburetor thing. Yes, EFI will be much easier in terms of starting it and going, but the reality is, once you have your jetting figured out, it is not very often that you will find yourself changing jets, and if you do, it takes a few minutes to do.

idle_purr · 03-25-2021, 05:09 PM

I feel like at the end of the day a tuned carb is more reliable than efi. I have had efi fail me in the past with pump and fuse issues. never fun, efi is beautiful, but it can also cause a series or headaches if it fails.

I would say if you want great customer service go with a Brozz from peace sports and talk to Jeff before pulling the trigger.

Emerikol · 03-25-2021, 06:31 PM

I would take carb over EFI any day of the week. The carb is easier to live with once you get it going, and there's less to go wrong. I have actually been on a ride where a blade of grass laid flat across the float bowl was the fix for a broken float bowl seal. I don't know too many EFI systems that can be fixed out in the middle of nowhere with a blade of grass. EFI is great on paper if you're just going to be plowing around on the surface streets and bombing down the highways, but out in the middle of nowhere, I'd much rather have something I can fix with bailing wire and chewing gum. Bottom line, Carbs are great once you get them tuned and invest the time to dial them in, EFI is great if you don't want to worry about much of anything and tuning really isn't up your alley. Let us know what you decide to get.

KYMutant · 03-25-2021, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Huck369

What part of Kentucky are you in? I'm in Somerset.....
As for EFI, it is very nice for sure, but a carb'ed bike can be OK too, will just require a little more fiddling with to get right, and a little more maintenance down the road....

Hey.. I live in Somerset too. We can go riding if it ever stops raining

I've pretty much narrowed it down to the two carb'd models. I don't mind tuning the carb, and efi makes me nervous for some reason. Too many moving parts that I don't know how to fix.

idle_purr · 03-25-2021, 07:07 PM

The Brozz is basically a Hawk DLX with a carb, has the counter balanced engine, braided brake lines, USD forks, skid plate. I have never actually seen a Hawk, I was obsessed over them but went with a Brozz after talking to Jeff at Peace Sports. I personally couldn't be happier, but the Bashan Storm is also a nice score because it has everything the Brozz has but comes with better handlebars and includes handguards. It's a little cheaper cost at about $1600 + $300 shipping, still beating the $1950 price of the Brozz or Hawk DLX.

https://www.killermotorsports.com/ba...dirt-bike.html

Huck369 · 03-29-2021, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KYMutant

Hey.. I live in Somerset too. We can go riding if it ever stops raining

I've pretty much narrowed it down to the two carb'd models. I don't mind tuning the carb, and efi makes me nervous for some reason. Too many moving parts that I don't know how to fix.

Wow, small world! You'll have to let me know when your bike in, and maybe we can get some ride time in....sold my XT250 a year ago, so the RX3 is my most Duel Sport bike right now, but I also have a AJP PR4 Dirt Bike, so depends on what kind of riding you like

KYMutant · 04-02-2021, 08:52 AM

Thanks for all the input. I was going to get a Brozz Recon, but I got sick this last weekend and missed out on getting one this season, so I went with the Hawk DLX.

After a realistic look at my current abilities, I figured the efi option was the way to go. I can always get a recon or other model down the road. Plus I dont think I'm going to be travelling anywhere I can't walk out of for the time being, so I feel pretty safe in going with fuel injection.

Thanks again for all the input and suggestions.

Landsvw · 04-02-2021, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Huck369

Wow, small world! You'll have to let me know when your bike in, and maybe we can get some ride time in....sold my XT250 a year ago, so the RX3 is my most Duel Sport bike right now, but I also have a AJP PR4 Dirt Bike, so depends on what kind of riding you like

I lived for 12 years near Manchester, and have family in Somerset! The Appalachian mountains in Kentucky might not be tall, but man are they steep. Lots of seriously deep mud holes too. I had a CJ5 jeep and a DR350 while I was there. Lots of great riding.

Huck369 · 04-02-2021, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Landsvw

I lived for 12 years near Manchester, and have family in Somerset! The Appalachian mountains in Kentucky might not be tall, but man are they steep. Lots of seriously deep mud holes too. I had a CJ5 jeep and a DR350 while I was there. Lots of great riding.

Redbird is where we do most of our Dirt bike riding, and I used to ride a DR350 too, good trail bike.

03-25-2021, 02:45 AM	#1
KYMutant Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 6	A hello, and a request Hello. I've been lurking around the forum for a while, but never posted much. I'm from Kentucky, and I'm looking to pull the trigger on a China bike. I've looked at so many lately that they're all starting to run together on me and are starting to seem so similar, that I feel like maybe I'm going nuts. Lol Anyway, I've narrowed it down to a few choices, and hope you guys can point out if I'm getting ready to make a big flaw. Im thinking about the straight Hawk 250 from Orion which comes assembled, and tested for $1450. The next option is the Hawk efi from Amazon for $1950 no assembly, which isn't a big deal. The last option is the Brozz from peace for $1950. Is the efi hawk or the brozz that much better to pay the extra $400? If I go with the Hawk efi, the first thing that's happening is some razor action to remove the "strongest" area on the side. Lol
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03-25-2021, 06:33 AM	#2
Boatguy Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Northeast Posts: 929	My advice purchasing anything with an engine is to go efi, if possible. It’s a complete joy when your equipment/toy starts first time, every time no matter what. __________________ 2020 Lifan x-pect
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03-25-2021, 07:02 AM	#3
Huck369 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Somerset, KY Posts: 686	What part of Kentucky are you in? I'm in Somerset..... As for EFI, it is very nice for sure, but a carb'ed bike can be OK too, will just require a little more fiddling with to get right, and a little more maintenance down the road.... __________________ Huck 2013 Honda NC700X 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone 2016 AJP PR4 2022 Templar X 250 2021 Sondors Metacycle AMA Life Member
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03-25-2021, 08:13 AM	#4
tknj99 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Central VA Posts: 1,258	Welcome.. I say leave the sticker on, it gives the bike greatest of character.. also when people ask about it you could always say that out of all of the Chinese bikes this one earned the Strongest designation in its class __________________ 2024 Zuma Storm 150 DLX 2019 Beta 430 RRS 2018 VStrom 1000 XT Former China Bikes: Tao DBX1, Brozz 250, CSC RX4, Titan DLX, Templar X
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03-25-2021, 10:01 AM	#5
TxTaoRider Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Flower Mound Texas Posts: 904	My advise is if you dont plan on any intake or exhaust changes, and you dont mind replacing fuel pumps, then go efi. If you plan on doing any engine mods, and dont mind changing carb jets (and saving $300 on the price), then go with the regular model. Of course it depends on where you live, there are some states that will only register the efi models. __________________ 2021 Tao Tbr7 - "Lucille" Mods so far- Brozz swingarm, 21" front rim (Bridgestone Tw302 rear/Dunlop D606 front tires), Digital gauge cluster, pz30b pumper carb, after market hand guards, aftermarket brake and clutch levers, round fold away mirrors, Fly handlebars shortened slightly, 13t front sprocket 2009 Q-link Legacy 250 1982 Suzuki GS1100ES - "Jolene"
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03-25-2021, 02:51 PM	#6
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 8,020	Of those 3 options, I would narrow it down to the realistic use of the bike. If you are going to be using it mostly on-road but want to have some trail fun from time to time get the Brozz. It's plenty capable of light off roading, has better quality control out of the box, and the counter balanced motor makes it smoother. The Hawks are nice with the larger wheels for off road and do allow for a lot more tire selection in that regard. People make too much of a big deal about the carburetor thing. Yes, EFI will be much easier in terms of starting it and going, but the reality is, once you have your jetting figured out, it is not very often that you will find yourself changing jets, and if you do, it takes a few minutes to do. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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03-25-2021, 05:09 PM	#7
idle_purr Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: NY Posts: 218	I feel like at the end of the day a tuned carb is more reliable than efi. I have had efi fail me in the past with pump and fuse issues. never fun, efi is beautiful, but it can also cause a series or headaches if it fails. I would say if you want great customer service go with a Brozz from peace sports and talk to Jeff before pulling the trigger. __________________ NO HILL TOO STEEP NO MUD TOO DEEP The Brozz \| The Hawk Upgrades, Accessories, Etc... Assembly Checklist: Brozz 250 \| Hawk 250 ~idle_purr
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03-25-2021, 06:31 PM	#8
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	I would take carb over EFI any day of the week. The carb is easier to live with once you get it going, and there's less to go wrong. I have actually been on a ride where a blade of grass laid flat across the float bowl was the fix for a broken float bowl seal. I don't know too many EFI systems that can be fixed out in the middle of nowhere with a blade of grass. EFI is great on paper if you're just going to be plowing around on the surface streets and bombing down the highways, but out in the middle of nowhere, I'd much rather have something I can fix with bailing wire and chewing gum. Bottom line, Carbs are great once you get them tuned and invest the time to dial them in, EFI is great if you don't want to worry about much of anything and tuning really isn't up your alley. Let us know what you decide to get. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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03-25-2021, 07:07 PM	#10
idle_purr Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: NY Posts: 218	The Brozz is basically a Hawk DLX with a carb, has the counter balanced engine, braided brake lines, USD forks, skid plate. I have never actually seen a Hawk, I was obsessed over them but went with a Brozz after talking to Jeff at Peace Sports. I personally couldn't be happier, but the Bashan Storm is also a nice score because it has everything the Brozz has but comes with better handlebars and includes handguards. It's a little cheaper cost at about $1600 + $300 shipping, still beating the $1950 price of the Brozz or Hawk DLX. https://www.killermotorsports.com/ba...dirt-bike.html __________________ NO HILL TOO STEEP NO MUD TOO DEEP The Brozz \| The Hawk Upgrades, Accessories, Etc... Assembly Checklist: Brozz 250 \| Hawk 250 ~idle_purr
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04-02-2021, 08:52 AM	#12
KYMutant Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 6	Thanks for all the input. I was going to get a Brozz Recon, but I got sick this last weekend and missed out on getting one this season, so I went with the Hawk DLX. After a realistic look at my current abilities, I figured the efi option was the way to go. I can always get a recon or other model down the road. Plus I dont think I'm going to be travelling anywhere I can't walk out of for the time being, so I feel pretty safe in going with fuel injection. Thanks again for all the input and suggestions.
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