What is the deal with Chinese dual sport kickstands?

Dusman · 10-27-2022, 10:48 AM

Hello there,

Longtime Chinabike owner here. I have the venerable Hawk 250, and it's been gold for the past 12,000 miles. However, the one thing that just bugs the mess out of me is this:

Why in the world do the Hawks, TBR7s, Brozz 250s have kickstands that are too short? What is up with that?

If anyone has any legit insight on this issue, I'm interested in hearing it.

TominMO · 10-27-2022, 11:02 AM

If they were built for bikes with smaller tires, and then taller tires were put on in a later model year or different version without altering the kickstands, that would explain part of it at least. But yeah, it's weird that you see so many factory pics of Chinese bikes using something under the kickstand to make the bike more vertical.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-27-2022, 11:12 AM

What's crazy is that the Kickstand on my KPX250 seem almost too long. The bike almost stands vertical and it a taller bike.

TominMO · 10-27-2022, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

What's crazy is that the Kickstand on my KPX250 seem almost too long. The bike almost stands vertical and it a taller bike.

Yeah. same here. The floor in my 1926 dirt-floor garage is not perfectly level, slightly higher on the left side, so I actually use a ratchet strap to make sure the bike can't fall over to the right when parked there.

Maybe they likee mess with big-nose foreign devils.....

letsride · 10-27-2022, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

What's crazy is that the Kickstand on my KPX250 seem almost too long. The bike almost stands vertical and it a taller bike.

Same here too, ya gotta watch where you throw that stand down. If you breathe on the thing it will fall over. Not a big deal though I just watch where I put the stand down. I do prefer the KPX kick stand over the Brozz I had.

TitusvilleRmiles · 02-04-2024, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

What's crazy is that the Kickstand on my KPX250 seem almost too long. The bike almost stands vertical and it a taller bike.

I just got my KPX250 yesterday and haven't been on a bike in 45 years and when I sat on this for the first time I said uh oh. I can't seem to get off this bike safely as it might tip over and was like everyone said....almost vertical. Sadly I told my wife, " I need to CUT.. THEN WELD ..on a brand new bike. I cut exactly 1 inch top to bottom and brazed a new pad on there and works perfect.
I could get on the bike standing on the peg but, couldn't get back off in fear of tipping over and it would have believe you me.

TheBeardedVagabond · 02-08-2024, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

What's crazy is that the Kickstand on my KPX250 seem almost too long. The bike almost stands vertical and it a taller bike.

100% this. If the ground is perfectly level or sloped left I can't even stand the kpx up. I have thought about getting a slightly shorter one, and then just keeping the OG as a back up.

Bill Hilly · 10-27-2022, 11:42 AM

IMO .The kickstand on my Brozz 250 that I had seemed about right,but that was a 2020 model, and the kickstand on the TBR7 that I now have is actually too long. I don't have trouble getting on the bike, but it stands nearly straight upright, with so little lean that I sometimes think a strong wind could knock it over. The Chinese bikes are not the only bikes with poorly thought out kickstands. I have a small Yamaha Virago, and it leans so bad on flat ground that it almost wants to tip over . I have a 1" block in the building specially for parking the Virago, and another in the driveway.

Boatguy · 10-27-2022, 07:43 PM

The xpect doesn’t seem to have this issue

miraclepieco · 10-29-2022, 04:13 AM

I lengthened mine by about 2 inches.

Captcj68chris@aol. · 10-29-2022, 04:48 PM

Hi all, 2020 tbr7. I've lowered my bike as much as I can because I'm short. Lol forks 2 inches up, rear shock preload backed all the way down. I cut about 1.5 inches out of my stand and it still sits too vertical for me. I can't cut any more out. Is there a replacement stand that can be used that is shorter and a direct bolt on? ( I.E. RM80?) I've looked on Amazon for one, however what the have looks weak and flimsy, with terrible reviews.
Christopher

CheapThrills · 10-29-2022, 06:01 PM

My TBR7 kickstand is too long.

buzz · 10-29-2022, 06:51 PM

Mine too, just shorten and good to go.easy fix.

Megadan · 10-29-2022, 07:12 PM

Random parts bin bikes. Gotta love them.

zero_dgz · 10-29-2022, 07:42 PM

I had to shorten the kickstand on my RXB. The thing made the bike stand nearly vertical even when unloaded. With the slightest amount of luggage it would have tipped over to the right. Meanwhile, Orion's product pictures all show a block of wood under the kickstand to make it stand more upright. My only conclusion is that the lengths of the kick stands must be complete random.

Fun fact: I discovered that the kick stand on the RXB is solid steel. Not a tube. Son of a bitch has to weigh at least five pounds. Perfect for motocamping in the woods, I guess, if you find yourself needing an emergency back up weapon to fend of a bear. Or maybe you need to temporarily hold up a bridge.

Strangely, the stand on my Bashan Enforcer is just about perfect. Even has a little rubber anti-vibration thingy on it.

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TominMO Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: De Soto, MO Posts: 1,977	If they were built for bikes with smaller tires, and then taller tires were put on in a later model year or different version without altering the kickstands, that would explain part of it at least. But yeah, it's weird that you see so many factory pics of Chinese bikes using something under the kickstand to make the bike more vertical. __________________ 2021 Lifan Xpect--sold 2022 Lifan KPX 1972 Honda CT90--The Carrot 1969 Honda CT90--The Tomahto Cheesy is the WDK (workplace drama king). Now retired. Nope, back in the saddle. Nope, finally retired. Climate: The Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A24fWmNA6lM How our government really works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjadCd0VRBw Question all authority.....think for yourself
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10-27-2022, 11:42 AM	#8
Bill Hilly Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,003	IMO .The kickstand on my Brozz 250 that I had seemed about right,but that was a 2020 model, and the kickstand on the TBR7 that I now have is actually too long. I don't have trouble getting on the bike, but it stands nearly straight upright, with so little lean that I sometimes think a strong wind could knock it over. The Chinese bikes are not the only bikes with poorly thought out kickstands. I have a small Yamaha Virago, and it leans so bad on flat ground that it almost wants to tip over . I have a 1" block in the building specially for parking the Virago, and another in the driveway.
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10-29-2022, 04:13 AM	#10
miraclepieco Join Date: Sep 2022 Posts: 24	I lengthened mine by about 2 inches.
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10-29-2022, 04:48 PM	#11
Captcj68chris@aol. Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Bowling greenK.Y. elev. <1000 ft Posts: 101	Hi all, 2020 tbr7. I've lowered my bike as much as I can because I'm short. Lol forks 2 inches up, rear shock preload backed all the way down. I cut about 1.5 inches out of my stand and it still sits too vertical for me. I can't cut any more out. Is there a replacement stand that can be used that is shorter and a direct bolt on? ( I.E. RM80?) I've looked on Amazon for one, however what the have looks weak and flimsy, with terrible reviews. Christopher
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10-29-2022, 06:51 PM	#13
buzz Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Dayton Pa. Posts: 953	Mine too, just shorten and good to go.easy fix.
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10-29-2022, 07:12 PM	#14
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10-29-2022, 07:42 PM	#15
zero_dgz Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 281	I had to shorten the kickstand on my RXB. The thing made the bike stand nearly vertical even when unloaded. With the slightest amount of luggage it would have tipped over to the right. Meanwhile, Orion's product pictures all show a block of wood under the kickstand to make it stand more upright. My only conclusion is that the lengths of the kick stands must be complete random. Fun fact: I discovered that the kick stand on the RXB is solid steel. Not a tube. Son of a bitch has to weigh at least five pounds. Perfect for motocamping in the woods, I guess, if you find yourself needing an emergency back up weapon to fend of a bear. Or maybe you need to temporarily hold up a bridge. Strangely, the stand on my Bashan Enforcer is just about perfect. Even has a little rubber anti-vibration thingy on it.
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