Qlink XF200 Shifts Horribly - Page 5

The Thinker · 04-23-2015, 05:29 PM

I just commenced drilling the head off, and the drill bit is getting destroyed. Is this bolt made of hardened steel?

humanbeing · 04-23-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Thinker

...drill bit is getting destroyed...

Next time use some cutting fluid during the process

The Thinker · 04-23-2015, 08:18 PM

So I got the screw out, the clutch cover off, and everything apart. Now I need to get the small retaining screw out that keeps the clutch linkage in and IT stripped out. I am really starting to get pissed at this bike, as it seems every screw is over tightened to the point that even if I use the proper tool they will strip out.

The kicker is I looked down the clutch push rod shaft in the middle of the clutch and can see the linkage in the end. It is damaged. This means getting that out is what will fix my shifting problem. If I work on this bike any more my heads going to explode, so I'm gonna go to work and use the time to clear my head. Will resume working on the bike tomorrow.

I feel this is an accurate representation of me right now:

Ranbo · 04-23-2015, 09:52 PM

You are making progress on this project and that is all that matters. You are already further along than 90% of the people out there who would have stopped a that first stripped bolt.

fishman10 · 04-23-2015, 10:45 PM

im no expert, but if they possibly used a red type locktite,,it sometimes helps to heat the bolt pryor to wrenching on it to break or melt the bond,, it seems to help me.

The Thinker · 04-24-2015, 01:45 AM

How would you go about removing this bolt? I am thinking heat it up then use a screw extractor, however if the bolt is just extremely tight then the heat wont do much and the extractor will just fail. Perhaps notching the head then using heat with a wide flat head screwdriver would do the job.

Weldangrind · 04-24-2015, 03:01 AM

I'm with Fish on this; red Loctite needs heat.

Even if it doesn't have red Loctite on it, heat is often your friend with a tight bolt. If it's really stubborn, heat it up and then hit it with WD-40. It instantly quenches the bolt and wicks into the threads, and usually the bolt will back out.

Can you show us a pic of the fastener that is really tight?

The Thinker · 04-24-2015, 03:16 AM

Was just about to post it when I saw you said that, here is the fastener.

Tomorrow after school I'm gonna pick up a bottle of butane to refill my micro torch and a pack of dremel cutting heads to make the notch in the screw. I'm not sure how I'm going to heat the screw without melting the seal that is around the linkage, so I guess Ill need to order one of those as well.

Edit: I'm going to need to order a new linkage and possibly seal, how would I go about finding this on ebay/taobao?

Weldangrind · 04-24-2015, 03:32 AM

Once you make the notch, try an impact.

The Thinker · 04-24-2015, 03:57 AM

That's what I'm thinking, I know that would get it out for sure. What is the flat head attachment called for an air impact gun, I can't seem to find them at my local home depot or lowes.

humanbeing · 04-24-2015, 05:39 AM

Fig 10 of http://www.puzey.co.za/Resources/Puz...e%205.06mb.pdf
Just get the genuine Suzi parts from taobao (OR "stealer") if says K157FMI...
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Did u heard that "JIS" http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...-screwdrivers/ (Cost peanut from Japanese chain store where i live)? The Philips will F***ed it ...

Weldangrind · 04-24-2015, 12:05 PM

Excellent point. What often resembles Phillips on a motorcycle is actually JIS.

Weldangrind · 04-24-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Thinker

That's what I'm thinking, I know that would get it out for sure. What is the flat head attachment called for an air impact gun, I can't seem to find them at my local home depot or lowes.

Other than flat head or slotted, I don't know of a specific name. I didn't buy mine separately; they came with one of these:

http://www.princessauto.com/en/detai...et/A-p8311615e

The Thinker · 04-25-2015, 01:41 AM

I cut a notch in the head of the screw and heated it with a torch. I then put a screwdriver into one side of the notch and banged on it until it came loose. I got all the parts out and will post a pic of the linkage in a little bit.

Now the new problem is one of the studs that go into the case for the oil filter cover is stripped in the case. I'm thinking either a heli coil or just jb welding the stud into the case.

I also wanted to address the JIS vs philips thing. Ever since I got my first motorized vehicle pretty much every "phillips head" screw has, in actuality, been a JIS. Because of this I have been wrongfully referring to JIS screws as Phillips heads since more people know what a Phillips head is than a JIS, however this just leads to confusion and possible compatibility issues as you guys have stated. Thank you for posting that information, it will help many future riders that come across this thread!

pete · 04-25-2015, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Thinker

I cut a notch in the head of the screw and heated it with a torch. I then put a screwdriver into one side of the notch and banged on it until it came loose. I got all the parts out and will post a pic of the linkage in a little bit.

Now the new problem is one of the studs that go into the case for the oil filter cover is stripped in the case. I'm thinking either a heli coil or just jb welding the stud into the case.

if it's a 6mm... retap it to 1/4UNC.... 1/4 = 6.4mm
no drilling just run the 1/4 tap in the striped hole...

04-23-2015, 10:45 PM	#65
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	bolts im no expert, but if they possibly used a red type locktite,,it sometimes helps to heat the bolt pryor to wrenching on it to break or melt the bond,, it seems to help me. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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04-24-2015, 03:01 AM	#67
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I'm with Fish on this; red Loctite needs heat. Even if it doesn't have red Loctite on it, heat is often your friend with a tight bolt. If it's really stubborn, heat it up and then hit it with WD-40. It instantly quenches the bolt and wicks into the threads, and usually the bolt will back out. Can you show us a pic of the fastener that is really tight? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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04-24-2015, 03:32 AM	#69
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Once you make the notch, try an impact. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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04-24-2015, 05:39 AM	#71
humanbeing Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,436	Fig 10 of http://www.puzey.co.za/Resources/Puz...e%205.06mb.pdf Just get the genuine Suzi parts from taobao (OR "stealer") if says K157FMI... --- Did u heard that "JIS" http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...-screwdrivers/ (Cost peanut from Japanese chain store where i live)? The Philips will F***ed it ... __________________
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04-24-2015, 12:05 PM	#72
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Excellent point. What often resembles Phillips on a motorcycle is actually JIS. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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04-23-2015, 05:29 PM	#61
The Thinker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 138	I just commenced drilling the head off, and the drill bit is getting destroyed. Is this bolt made of hardened steel?
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04-23-2015, 08:18 PM	#63
The Thinker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 138	So I got the screw out, the clutch cover off, and everything apart. Now I need to get the small retaining screw out that keeps the clutch linkage in and IT stripped out. I am really starting to get pissed at this bike, as it seems every screw is over tightened to the point that even if I use the proper tool they will strip out. The kicker is I looked down the clutch push rod shaft in the middle of the clutch and can see the linkage in the end. It is damaged. This means getting that out is what will fix my shifting problem. If I work on this bike any more my heads going to explode, so I'm gonna go to work and use the time to clear my head. Will resume working on the bike tomorrow. I feel this is an accurate representation of me right now:
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04-23-2015, 09:52 PM	#64
Ranbo Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 70	You are making progress on this project and that is all that matters. You are already further along than 90% of the people out there who would have stopped a that first stripped bolt.
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04-24-2015, 01:45 AM	#66
The Thinker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 138	How would you go about removing this bolt? I am thinking heat it up then use a screw extractor, however if the bolt is just extremely tight then the heat wont do much and the extractor will just fail. Perhaps notching the head then using heat with a wide flat head screwdriver would do the job.
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04-24-2015, 03:16 AM	#68
The Thinker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 138	Was just about to post it when I saw you said that, here is the fastener. Tomorrow after school I'm gonna pick up a bottle of butane to refill my micro torch and a pack of dremel cutting heads to make the notch in the screw. I'm not sure how I'm going to heat the screw without melting the seal that is around the linkage, so I guess Ill need to order one of those as well. Edit: I'm going to need to order a new linkage and possibly seal, how would I go about finding this on ebay/taobao?
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04-24-2015, 03:57 AM	#70
The Thinker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 138	That's what I'm thinking, I know that would get it out for sure. What is the flat head attachment called for an air impact gun, I can't seem to find them at my local home depot or lowes.
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04-25-2015, 01:41 AM	#74
The Thinker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 138	I cut a notch in the head of the screw and heated it with a torch. I then put a screwdriver into one side of the notch and banged on it until it came loose. I got all the parts out and will post a pic of the linkage in a little bit. Now the new problem is one of the studs that go into the case for the oil filter cover is stripped in the case. I'm thinking either a heli coil or just jb welding the stud into the case. I also wanted to address the JIS vs philips thing. Ever since I got my first motorized vehicle pretty much every "phillips head" screw has, in actuality, been a JIS. Because of this I have been wrongfully referring to JIS screws as Phillips heads since more people know what a Phillips head is than a JIS, however this just leads to confusion and possible compatibility issues as you guys have stated. Thank you for posting that information, it will help many future riders that come across this thread! Last edited by The Thinker; 04-25-2015 at 04:25 AM.
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