Just hit 800 miles on my vader! - Page 3

Emerikol · 07-23-2017, 10:21 PM

Skin;

That really sucks, Dude. One of my riding buddies broke off BOTH of the exhaust studs on his DR when he was doing some work a few weeks ago. We used a set like this to get the old studs out, and replaced them with heat treated grade 8.8 bolts from Fastenal.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

They also have a set of extractors that go over nuts, or exposed studs. Unfortunately it looks like your studs broke flush to the casting. I agree 110% that the first step should be drilling out the center (make sure to use a center punch so the drill bit doesn't walk on you) of the stud with a GOOD QUALITY drill bit. Give me a shout if you have any issues and I'll do my best to help out.

Skin Mechanic · 07-24-2017, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudflap

The most reliable way I've found to remove a broken stud is to place a nut over it and weld through the center. Has worked every time I've done it. Quick and easy.

My nephew used this trick to extract a coupla broken exhaust manifold studs in his F150.

**JerryHawk250** · 07-24-2017, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudflap

The most reliable way I've found to remove a broken stud is to place a nut over it and weld through the center. Has worked every time I've done it. Quick and easy.

I used that method a few weeks ago to remove a broken exhaust bolt on my truck. Works way better than a bolt extractor and much quicker.

PhildoScaggins · 11-09-2017, 01:28 PM

Hey gang,

It's been a minute, but I'm finally fed up with not having my vader fixed/running. I know the season is pretty much over here in NE but now I have time to fix. I've decided I'm going to use helicoil inserts to fix my exhaust stud and emissions bolt (see earlier in thread). Are the stud and bolt sizes M6x1.0 for both of those? Just want to make sure before I drill and tap!

BlackBike · 11-09-2017, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PhildoScaggins

Hey gang,

It's been a minute, but I'm finally fed up with not having my vader fixed/running. I know the season is pretty much over here in NE but now I have time to fix. I've decided I'm going to use helicoil inserts to fix my exhaust stud and emissions bolt (see earlier in thread). Are the stud and bolt sizes M6x1.0 for both of those? Just want to make sure before I drill and tap!

Just slot it with the dremmel and penetrating spray. It may cut into the flat portion just a wee bit on either side of the bolt but there is wncogh flange that it won't cause a problem. Wou will have it done in 10 min and go back with your grade 8 bolt like emerikol says...bota Bing bota boom.

PhildoScaggins · 11-10-2017, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBike

Just slot it with the dremmel and penetrating spray. It may cut into the flat portion just a wee bit on either side of the bolt but there is wncogh flange that it won't cause a problem.

I might be able to do that with the emissions bolt but the exhaust stud is pretty far in there. I'm just not sure of the size and pitch of the bolt.

Emerikol · 11-10-2017, 09:56 AM

Phildo, if the leftover bits are broken off that far down, I would say oversize the hole by one drill size, and make it whatever thread pitch you can most easily get hardware for. That way the existing hole will help center the drill as you bore through the old stud. Make sense? If you're using a heli-coil kit, that should pretty much make the sizing decisions for you. Let us know how it works out.

Jamesfl · 11-16-2017, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by culcune

Vader also puts out a bike that looks like the SSR Razkull and the Ice Bear Mini Monster. I wonder if everything is identical to the Vader, or had they improved things?

https://www.venommotorsportscanada.c...torcycle-125cc

Kronik calls by its proper brand name: Boom http://www.kronikracing.com/Boom-Lil-Duc_p_398.html

I actually recently acquired the Vader that looks like the SSR Razkull. Perhaps I can help answer some questions once I have owned the bike for a bit longer.

PhildoScaggins · 11-20-2017, 01:43 PM

Well, I should've listened to you guys. I fucked up. I got the bolt out of the emissions thing with an easy out. I tried the same thing with the exhaust stud and snapped the easy out off inside. I hate to say it but I think this motor is toast :( Trying to figure out where to go from here.

Hellcat Rider · 11-20-2017, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PhildoScaggins

Well, I should've listened to you guys. I fucked up. I got the bolt out of the emissions thing with an easy out. I tried the same thing with the exhaust stud and snapped the easy out off inside. I hate to say it but I think this motor is toast :( Trying to figure out where to go from here.

Post pics maybe I can help I do this at work all the time

Emerikol · 11-20-2017, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PhildoScaggins

Well, I should've listened to you guys. I fucked up. I got the bolt out of the emissions thing with an easy out. I tried the same thing with the exhaust stud and snapped the easy out off inside. I hate to say it but I think this motor is toast :( Trying to figure out where to go from here.

I'm with Hellcat - Post some pictures and let's see if we can't talk you through a solution. Easy-Outs are usually harder than most drill bits, and bigger problem is getting the bit to center into the broken off bit. Anything can be fixed if the right approach is made. Let's help you to find that approach. Pictures would be the best first step.

07-23-2017, 10:21 PM	#31
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	Skin; That really sucks, Dude. One of my riding buddies broke off BOTH of the exhaust studs on his DR when he was doing some work a few weeks ago. We used a set like this to get the old studs out, and replaced them with heat treated grade 8.8 bolts from Fastenal. https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...E&gclsrc=aw.ds They also have a set of extractors that go over nuts, or exposed studs. Unfortunately it looks like your studs broke flush to the casting. I agree 110% that the first step should be drilling out the center (make sure to use a center punch so the drill bit doesn't walk on you) of the stud with a GOOD QUALITY drill bit. Give me a shout if you have any issues and I'll do my best to help out. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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11-10-2017, 09:56 AM	#37
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	Phildo, if the leftover bits are broken off that far down, I would say oversize the hole by one drill size, and make it whatever thread pitch you can most easily get hardware for. That way the existing hole will help center the drill as you bore through the old stud. Make sense? If you're using a heli-coil kit, that should pretty much make the sizing decisions for you. Let us know how it works out. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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11-09-2017, 01:28 PM	#34
PhildoScaggins Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Woods, Maine Posts: 247	Hey gang, It's been a minute, but I'm finally fed up with not having my vader fixed/running. I know the season is pretty much over here in NE but now I have time to fix. I've decided I'm going to use helicoil inserts to fix my exhaust stud and emissions bolt (see earlier in thread). Are the stud and bolt sizes M6x1.0 for both of those? Just want to make sure before I drill and tap!
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11-20-2017, 01:43 PM	#39
PhildoScaggins Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Woods, Maine Posts: 247	Well, I should've listened to you guys. I fucked up. I got the bolt out of the emissions thing with an easy out. I tried the same thing with the exhaust stud and snapped the easy out off inside. I hate to say it but I think this motor is toast :( Trying to figure out where to go from here.
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