ATV Discounter Scam thread + Fraudulent title thread - Page 12

Jim · 04-06-2008, 07:02 PM

Well I don't think he has much choice now, he didn't let the driver take it when he was there, and he's since assembled it and started riding it...

I would maybe suggest calling them on the blatant lie that the gy2 is worth more, and try and see if they would throw in some accessories like a helmet or something...

PorterzCustomz · 04-09-2008, 01:07 PM

I just got an email from a member on here that I need to share with all of you. He is going through a legal dispute with them right now so he wishes to remain anonymous as this is a popular thread. I have FW the email to frostbite and he can vouch for the legitimacy of the email wile keeping the members identity secret. He recently worked for them and he lives in the area. He writes:

From: XXXXXXXXX
To: PorterzCustomz
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:43 am
Subject: ATV Discounter Glen Barling

Quote message

Call the owner of ATV Discounter on his cell phone and tell him to stop cheating people out of the bike they want i use to work there and he has been doing the same thing he did to you to many others. The owner of american lifan gave him a smokin deal if he would buy all the gy-2's he had in stock so he did and then he bought 1 gy-5 and took pictures so people think they are getting the 5 and he sends them the 2. Here is his cell phone number xxx-xxx-xxxx and his wife (billing dept) xxx-xxx-xxxx

************************************************** *********

DON"T FALL FOR THE SCAM, DON'T BUY FROM THEM AND MAKE SURE TO WARN OTHERS NOT TO!! IT IS YOUR RESPONCEABILITY AS A MEMBER.

-Eric

culcune · 04-09-2008, 01:12 PM

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almonpoole · 04-09-2008, 02:54 PM

If this dealer is an American Lifan dealer you should post this issue on the American Lifan forum under dealer complaints.

Maybe then they will offer some help or at least make sure this does not happen again.

http://www.americanlifan.com/lifan3/customer/

Jim · 04-09-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by culcune

Hmmm, so American Lifan is in on it, too?

No they aren't, they simply sold their remaining lot of gy2's wholesale to these scammers, these scammers are the ones "in on it".

culcune · 04-09-2008, 04:36 PM

A. Lifan should really eliminate drop shipping, then! Or at least monitor who they allow to do so (i.e. Brain at Xtreme seems to have not slighted anyone, and about a dozen people posted ordering from him)

ATV Discounters should not be allowed to mail order any Lifan product from here on out, and should risk having their Lifan dealership privileges revoked altogether!

This seems to me to be far worse than the "unauthorized" mail order dealers mentioned in the official Lifan website.

Jim · 04-09-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by culcune

A. Lifan should really eliminate drop shipping, then! Or at least monitor who they allow to do so (i.e. Brain at Xtreme seems to have not slighted anyone, and about a dozen people posted ordering from him)

ATV Discounters should not be allowed to mail order any Lifan product from here on out, and should risk having their Lifan dealership privileges revoked altogether!

This seems to me to be far worse than the "unauthorized" mail order dealers mentioned in the official Lifan website.

I don't think that this is different then the "unauthorized" mail order dealers, ATV Discounters isn't an american lifan dealer, they simply purchased old stock in bulk...

mrhyak · 04-09-2008, 07:25 PM

American Lifan sold ATV-D Lifan motorcycles to resell. AF is not stupid and they know what is going on. AF could have sold these bikes themselves so they are partially to blame for this whole mess.

IMO if AF knows about this misrepresentation of the bikes and says nothing to ATV-D then they are fools. It is the Lifan reputation that is on the line when they allow this sort of cr@p to occur and they were the original source of the problem by selling the bikes to scum.

ambassador · 04-10-2008, 12:06 AM

Do you think the Japanese went through all of this crap when they were trying to put out an XR whatever? What did we do before the internet.....

mrhyak · 04-10-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ambassador

Do you think the Japanese went through all of this crap when they were trying to put out an XR whatever? What did we do before the internet.....

Before the internet? We used to talk trash on the CB radio, then when PC's starting hitting the homes in the late 1980's we had those cool BBS's to communicate through at 300 baud! When I got my first 1200 baud modem I thought I felt like my data transmission was 'screaming'.

Jim · 04-10-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mrhyak

Quote:

Originally Posted by ambassador

Do you think the Japanese went through all of this crap when they were trying to put out an XR whatever? What did we do before the internet.....

Before the internet? We used to talk trash on the CB radio, then when PC's starting hitting the homes in the late 1980's we had those cool BBS's to communicate through.

ambassador · 04-10-2008, 11:40 PM

Hyak,
Back then you didn't buy bikes on-line, neither did I.. I guess you answered my question but not really, how did the Japs market their bikes with b&m dealers and pull it off? Why can't the Chinese do the same?
I can only attribute it to American dealers being lazy and not following through on promises delivered as well as the Chinese/ AL/ Zongshen...
Should we keep buying products that may or may not be worthy depending on JUST a dealer when you may get a good deal on-line and NEVER have to deal with them again??
Sorry Hyak, hot harping on you, your not a dealer... Maybe if the dealers would unite better products would follow???

kczukiman · 04-11-2008, 12:06 AM

Does anyone know if Ohio laws say that you can't ship a bike in a crate?
I have seen this guy selling on ebay and he is in Ohio.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-2...QQcmdZViewItem

iMoose · 04-11-2008, 12:18 AM

Low price but crazy $399 shipping. Found a scooter shop near my house that charges $1,500 for GY-2's though. He had four when I forst noticed, now only one. Said he's not getting the 250's until his 200's are all gone. Dang. I'd be willing to pay a little more if I could touch it before buying.

katoranger · 04-11-2008, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kczukiman

Does anyone know if Ohio laws say that you can't ship a bike in a crate?
I have seen this guy selling on ebay and he is in Ohio.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-2...QQcmdZViewItem

Bruce has spoken about that seller and he is illegally obtaining a title in OH first for the bike and then sending it to the buyer. Someone in Fl bought a bike from that seller and that was the method used. It is illegal for a dealer to sell an unprepped crated motorcycle off site in OH.

Allen

04-06-2008, 07:02 PM	#166
Jim Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 4,880	Well I don't think he has much choice now, he didn't let the driver take it when he was there, and he's since assembled it and started riding it... I would maybe suggest calling them on the blatant lie that the gy2 is worth more, and try and see if they would throw in some accessories like a helmet or something... __________________ "Be excellent to each other" "We are all human. Let's start to prove it!"
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04-09-2008, 01:12 PM	#168
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	edited out __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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04-09-2008, 04:36 PM	#171
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	A. Lifan should really eliminate drop shipping, then! Or at least monitor who they allow to do so (i.e. Brain at Xtreme seems to have not slighted anyone, and about a dozen people posted ordering from him) ATV Discounters should not be allowed to mail order any Lifan product from here on out, and should risk having their Lifan dealership privileges revoked altogether! This seems to me to be far worse than the "unauthorized" mail order dealers mentioned in the official Lifan website. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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04-09-2008, 07:25 PM	#173
mrhyak Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hyak, WA Posts: 448	American Lifan sold ATV-D Lifan motorcycles to resell. AF is not stupid and they know what is going on. AF could have sold these bikes themselves so they are partially to blame for this whole mess. IMO if AF knows about this misrepresentation of the bikes and says nothing to ATV-D then they are fools. It is the Lifan reputation that is on the line when they allow this sort of cr@p to occur and they were the original source of the problem by selling the bikes to scum. __________________ 1985 Kawasaki Tecate-3 1997 Ural Sportsman 2WD 1980 Yamaha XS1100 2005 TANK Trail 200 2009 Lifan LY110GY-3 (2)
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04-10-2008, 12:06 AM	#174
ambassador Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bradenton, Florida Posts: 1,200	Do you think the Japanese went through all of this crap when they were trying to put out an XR whatever? What did we do before the internet..... __________________ 06 Lifan 200 GY-5
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04-09-2008, 01:07 PM	#167
PorterzCustomz Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 303	I just got an email from a member on here that I need to share with all of you. He is going through a legal dispute with them right now so he wishes to remain anonymous as this is a popular thread. I have FW the email to frostbite and he can vouch for the legitimacy of the email wile keeping the members identity secret. He recently worked for them and he lives in the area. He writes: From: XXXXXXXXX To: PorterzCustomz Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:43 am Subject: ATV Discounter Glen Barling Quote message Call the owner of ATV Discounter on his cell phone and tell him to stop cheating people out of the bike they want i use to work there and he has been doing the same thing he did to you to many others. The owner of american lifan gave him a smokin deal if he would buy all the gy-2's he had in stock so he did and then he bought 1 gy-5 and took pictures so people think they are getting the 5 and he sends them the 2. Here is his cell phone number xxx-xxx-xxxx and his wife (billing dept) xxx-xxx-xxxx ************************************************ ******* DON"T FALL FOR THE SCAM, DON'T BUY FROM THEM AND MAKE SURE TO WARN OTHERS NOT TO!! IT IS YOUR RESPONCEABILITY AS A MEMBER. -Eric
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04-09-2008, 02:54 PM	#169
almonpoole Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 110	If this dealer is an American Lifan dealer you should post this issue on the American Lifan forum under dealer complaints. Maybe then they will offer some help or at least make sure this does not happen again. http://www.americanlifan.com/lifan3/customer/
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04-10-2008, 11:40 PM	#177
ambassador Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bradenton, Florida Posts: 1,200	Hyak, Back then you didn't buy bikes on-line, neither did I.. I guess you answered my question but not really, how did the Japs market their bikes with b&m dealers and pull it off? Why can't the Chinese do the same? I can only attribute it to American dealers being lazy and not following through on promises delivered as well as the Chinese/ AL/ Zongshen... Should we keep buying products that may or may not be worthy depending on JUST a dealer when you may get a good deal on-line and NEVER have to deal with them again?? Sorry Hyak, hot harping on you, your not a dealer... Maybe if the dealers would unite better products would follow??? __________________ 06 Lifan 200 GY-5
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04-11-2008, 12:06 AM	#178
kczukiman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Independence,Missouri Posts: 1,049	Does anyone know if Ohio laws say that you can't ship a bike in a crate? I have seen this guy selling on ebay and he is in Ohio. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-2...QQcmdZViewItem
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04-11-2008, 12:18 AM	#179
iMoose Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Seminole,FL Posts: 141	Low price but crazy $399 shipping. Found a scooter shop near my house that charges $1,500 for GY-2's though. He had four when I forst noticed, now only one. Said he's not getting the 250's until his 200's are all gone. Dang. I'd be willing to pay a little more if I could touch it before buying.
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