Apollo DB-36 Street Legal

[MAT]

So what's up with this? It's called an RF250 xtreme but it's identical to a DB-36 deluxe, which is not listed on Apollo's website. But it's 249.4 cc and has 1 more KW of power than the 223cc DB-36 listed on powersportsmax.

http://www.apollovehicle.com/Motorcy...e_(M)_327.html

[MAT]

Maybe this is a clue.

https://motorrecambio.com/en/208-motor-cb250-166fmm

This is the 166fmm, it's apparently a CB250 clone. OHC.

The cylinder is stamped 250cc but the description says:

Engine Type: Loncin 250cc - CB230 - Loncin LX166FM
Dimensiones: Bore x stroke Ø65.5 x 66.2 mm

That's 233cc. Apparently the model # is 250cc for the 223 in China. Maybe it's something lost in translation or it's a 250 class motorcycle even though it's not really a 250.

But that doesn't account for the power or displacement discrepancy in the post above. I have a lot to learn...

[letsride]

Thats where I got the 249.9cc in one of my earlier posts. I don't know. I thought it was the same bike as the deluxe. These dealers will slap all sorts of names on these bikes so it gets confusing sometimes.

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by MAT

What do you mean by that?

Meaning that here in CA, only two China bikes are legal to ride on the street and are C.A.R.B. approved. The CSC TT250 and the SSR XF250. All the others are not able to be registered for road use and get plates.

[Its_not_a_honda]

Originally Posted by MAT

Maybe this is a clue.

https://motorrecambio.com/en/208-motor-cb250-166fmm

This is the 166fmm, it's apparently a CB250 clone. OHC.

The cylinder is stamped 250cc but the description says:

Engine Type: Loncin 250cc - CB230 - Loncin LX166FM
Dimensiones: Bore x stroke Ø65.5 x 66.2 mm

That's 233cc. Apparently the model # is 250cc for the 223 in China. Maybe it's something lost in translation or it's a 250 class motorcycle even though it's not really a 250.

But that doesn't account for the power or displacement discrepancy in the post above. I have a lot to learn...

Dont worry too much about a few cc's. Hardly any motorcycle made has as many cc's as the name may suggest. Just ride it and enjoy.

[MAT]

I’m not worried about the engine size, I just want to make sure I’m getting what I think I’m getting. I’ve never mail ordered a bike before, or bought one without looking at it first, but there can be opportunities for bait and switch tactics with this method.

It appears there is an updated 249.9cc motor (ZS172FMM3A) that will eventually be in these bikes. Maybe they already are, why would Apollo state the displacement at 249cc? That too specific to be an error or a generalization (250 class). This new motor is available in non-street legal version right now.

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic...-280cc/?page=3

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic...view-and-test/

[Ski_rush]

Originally Posted by MAT

I’m not worried about the engine size, I just want to make sure I’m getting what I think I’m getting. I’ve never mail ordered a bike before, or bought one without looking at it first, but there can be opportunities for bait and switch tactics with this method.

It appears there is an updated 249.9cc motor (ZS172FMM3A) that will eventually be in these bikes. Maybe they already are, why would Apollo state the displacement at 249cc? That too specific to be an error or a generalization (250 class). This new motor is available in non-street legal version right now.

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic...-280cc/?page=3

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic...view-and-test/

MAT, and I mean this with all the respect I can offer, looking for a true 250cc here is like finding a unicorn. Here's the engine you're talking about:

https://pitsterpro.com/index.php?rou...&product_id=77

Scroll down and you'll see that it says the displacement is 233. The numbers are all over the place, but 250 isn't "real" and that's my opinion.

And, in your post, you referenced two bikes that are in a completely different league than the Apollo. You referenced the GPX and the Pitster Pro. Both of those bikes sell for double, even triple what the Apollo DB36 or Extreme "250" sells for. So, even if the Pitster or the GPX did have a true 249.5cc engine, that's probably because they sell for a lot more money. These companies are not going to put that same engine from a bike that sells for at least $3500 into a bike that sells for $1350 (or $1650 in the case of the street legal version of the Apollo). The retail on the Pitster Pro 250 is about $4000 [click here].

If by "an updated 249.9cc motor (ZS172FMM3A) that will eventually be in these bikes" means that you're going to wait for that to happen...I think you'll be waiting a very long time. Again, I'm not trying to sound harsh; my apologies if I do. I'm just saying; it's not going to happen.

[upgasgas1224]

heres my question is there a significant power difference between the push rod hawk engine and the 223cc over head cam db36 engine? both claim to have basically the same power rateings on multiple websites i dont how ever know whats accurate and whats not tho

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by upgasgas1224

heres my question is there a significant power difference between the push rod hawk engine and the 223cc over head cam db36 engine? both claim to have basically the same power rateings on multiple websites i dont how ever know whats accurate and whats not tho

My guess would be that the OHC motor is more spunky on the top end than the grunty CG motor. At least that's been my experience with comparing my Qlink (OHC) with my CG pushrod motors, though the HP ratings are comparable.

[MAT]

NP Ski, I hear ya. I'm just trying to understand before I buy. My initial fear was there were 2 versions of the DB and I wanted to get the 249cc one. Now I know that's not the case, or so we think. The GPX and PP are more expensive because they have better suspension. The PP XTR250 even has the same 223cc engine as the DB and it still costs 2x so it's not the 249cc motor in the GPX that's jacking up the price. I can see a true 249cc DB in the near future, why else would they list one if not? And it may not cost any more, same number of parts as the old version made by the same company.

I'm OK with the 223 now that I know more about it. I plan to surf CL and FB for awhile before I pull the trigger though. I just missed out on a QLink 200 that had 800 miles!

[2LZ]

Originally Posted by MAT

NP Ski, I hear ya. I'm just trying to understand before I buy. My initial fear was there were 2 versions of the DB and I wanted to get the 249cc one. Now I know that's not the case, or so we think. The GPX and PP are more expensive because they have better suspension. The PP XTR250 even has the same 223cc engine as the DB and it still costs 2x so it's not the 249cc motor in the GPX that's jacking up the price. I can see a true 249cc DB in the near future, why else would they list one if not? And it may not cost any more, same number of parts as the old version made by the same company.

I'm OK with the 223 now that I know more about it. I plan to surf CL and FB for awhile before I pull the trigger though. I just missed out on a QLink 200 that had 800 miles!

Oh! That sucks about the Qlink! I'd love to find another just to have my own stock of spare parts!

[NzBrakelathes]

Originally Posted by Ski_rush

MAT, and I mean this with all the respect I can offer, looking for a true 250cc here is like finding a unicorn. Here's the engine you're talking about:

https://pitsterpro.com/index.php?rou...&product_id=77

Scroll down and you'll see that it says the displacement is 233. The numbers are all over the place, but 250 isn't "real" and that's my opinion.

And, in your post, you referenced two bikes that are in a completely different league than the Apollo. You referenced the GPX and the Pitster Pro. Both of those bikes sell for double, even triple what the Apollo DB36 or Extreme "250" sells for. So, even if the Pitster or the GPX did have a true 249.5cc engine, that's probably because they sell for a lot more money. These companies are not going to put that same engine from a bike that sells for at least $3500 into a bike that sells for $1350 (or $1650 in the case of the street legal version of the Apollo). The retail on the Pitster Pro 250 is about $4000 [click here].

If by "an updated 249.9cc motor (ZS172FMM3A) that will eventually be in these bikes" means that you're going to wait for that to happen...I think you'll be waiting a very long time. Again, I'm not trying to sound harsh; my apologies if I do. I'm just saying; it's not going to happen.

I think the Pitster doesn't have the 233cc but the 223cc Engines. I am not super sure but from all I have seen etc I believe (I could very well be wrong) that there is a mistake in the listing.
The new GPX might be a 249.9cc biggest HP air cooled but I am not 100% sure if the USA model and China models are the same.