Hawk 250 supercharger - Page 3

MDStroup · 07-06-2016, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2887

Are you sure the would work with a motor so small? I see why you suggested the VW smog pump after following you link vary interesting....

I have no idea if it will work. But if it can be done that is probably the best route to try first.

I just wish these bike came with OHV. The predator engine are honda clones with OHV. The most popular is the 212cc. It is used for go-karts every where. it only costs $100 and is modifiable like crazy!

That motor starts off at only 6.5HP. People get that engine up to 32HP. The only billet required internal is the connecting rod.

I know for a fact that people have super and turbo charged that motor.

http://www.kemotorsport.com/cafe.htm

Here is a 50cc bike that is using the VW smog pump.

I think the easiest way to super or turbo charge the hawk 250 would maybe convert it to EFI with a EFI from a scooter. If I am remebering correctly someone did that to a Ninja 250 over on the Ninjette form then added the ecotron turbo.

JohnDoe2887 · 07-06-2016, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MDStroup

I have no idea if it will work. But if it can be done that is probably the best route to try first.

I just wish these bike came with OHV. The predator engine are honda clones with OHV. The most popular is the 212cc. It is used for go-karts every where. it only costs $100 and is modifiable like crazy!

That motor starts off at only 6.5HP. People get that engine up to 32HP. The only billet required internal is the connecting rod.

I know for a fact that people have super and turbo charged that motor.

http://www.kemotorsport.com/cafe.htm

Here is a 50cc bike that is using the VW smog pump.

I think the easiest way to super or turbo charge the hawk 250 would maybe convert it to EFI with a EFI from a scooter. If I am remebering correctly someone did that to a Ninja 250 over on the Ninjette form then added the ecotron turbo.

Hum I will look into that more.... What is EFI when it's all said and done? Mad air flow a O2 sensor and a fuel system no? (Depending on cost I wonder if my own couldn't be scratch built. For about same if not less

BlackBike · 07-06-2016, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MDStroup

I have no idea if it will work. But if it can be done that is probably the best route to try first.

I just wish these bike came with OHV. The predator engine are honda clones with OHV. The most popular is the 212cc. It is used for go-karts every where. it only costs $100 and is modifiable like crazy!

That motor starts off at only 6.5HP. People get that engine up to 32HP. The only billet required internal is the connecting rod.

I know for a fact that people have super and turbo charged that motor.

http://www.kemotorsport.com/cafe.htm

Here is a 50cc bike that is using the VW smog pump.

I think the easiest way to super or turbo charge the hawk 250 would maybe convert it to EFI with a EFI from a scooter. If I am remebering correctly someone did that to a Ninja 250 over on the Ninjette form then added the ecotron turbo.

This was my question, how. I see , thanks for posting the link-radical dude

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2887

Hum I will look into that more.... What is EFI when it's all said and done? Mad air flow a O2 sensor and a fuel system no? (Depending on cost I wonder if my own couldn't be scratch built. For about same if not less

I believe the full blown (excuse the term) ecotron efi system or the motorcycle is like $700.
http://www.ecotrons.com/products/sma...injection_kit/ half the cost of the entire bike

'16 TT250 · 07-06-2016, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pcspecialist

as with all carburated NOS setups, you have to run them rich.

No, the extra fuel comes on with the nitrous through it's own solenoid.

MDStroup · 07-06-2016, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBike

This was my question, how. I see , thanks for posting the link-radical dude

I believe the full blown (excuse the term) ecotron efi system or the motorcycle is like $700.
http://www.ecotrons.com/products/sma...injection_kit/ half the cost of the entire bike

Your welcome. I have actually been looking supercharging a motorcycle for a long time. Mainly just as a project. Hopefully one day it will happen.

Weldangrind · 07-07-2016, 01:13 AM

JD, I'm really hoping you actually supercharge a bike; I'd geek right out.

JohnDoe2887 · 07-07-2016, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBike

This was my question, how. I see , thanks for posting the link-radical dude

I believe the full blown (excuse the term) ecotron efi system or the motorcycle is like $700.
http://www.ecotrons.com/products/sma...injection_kit/ half the cost of the entire bike

So the raspberryPI solution it is.... And some junk yard parts.... And duck tape.... Maybe a little JB weld....

MDStroup · 07-07-2016, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2887

So the raspberryPI solution it is.... And some junk yard parts.... And duck tape.... Maybe a little JB weld....

Hey! Raspberry Pi's have been used to control robotic quadcopters with bananas! I think it maybe a little to advanced for this project. I think a ti30 would be perfect!

JohnDoe2887 · 07-07-2016, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MDStroup

Hey! Raspberry Pi's have been used to control robotic quadcopters with bananas! I think it maybe a little to advanced for this project. I think a ti30 would be perfect!

Yea I can get the Chinese clones cheap maybe even Amazon, I wonder if a chip could do it.(9$ sbc there making....)

MDStroup · 07-07-2016, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2887

Yea I can get the Chinese clones cheap maybe even Amazon, I wonder if a chip could do it.(9$ sbc there making....)

They still make the orangePi?

But in all seriousness, if you want to use the RaspberryPi as an ECU, i will look up a thread i bookmarked were a guy did turn a RaspberryPi into a ECU. It had all the links and instructions to do so.

JohnDoe2887 · 07-07-2016, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MDStroup

They still make the orangePi?

But in all seriousness, if you want to use the RaspberryPi as an ECU, i will look up a thread i bookmarked were a guy did turn a RaspberryPi into a ECU. It had all the links and instructions to do so.

Why that surprises me I do not know.... Thanks for the lead and I will be looking for that myself, I would be surprised to see hack a day or someone like them didn't make a article on that.

kohburn · 07-07-2016, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pcspecialist

as with all carburated NOS setups, you have to run them rich.

that's only dry nitrous kits. a wet kit has jets to include fuel with the delivery.

Kdburtch · 07-07-2016, 09:15 AM

Dive in, Worst case scenario you have to buy a new Hawk motor which I believe are going for about $500. This bike with 20-25HP would be phenomenal.

Weldangrind · 07-07-2016, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kdburtch

Dive in, Worst case scenario you have to buy a new Hawk motor which I believe are going for about $500. This bike with 20-25HP would be phenomenal.

And I bet it would sound wicked.

'16 TT250 · 07-07-2016, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2887

What if you had a second sets of jets supplied by a small electric pump that would not be to to hard to make and would more then likely work.... (If it handles Nos/supercharger well....) Why not throw in pre-oxidized race gas? Octane matched of course....

Most nitrous systems use a fuel jet and a solenoid to allow fuel through that jet, no need to reinvent the wheel to get a controllable fuel shot with the nos shot. Most systems use a fuel pump, but it can be done with a gravity feed with the right fuel jet.

The only stuff I know of that is oxidized is nitro fuel and wouldn't get along with the carb or motor. If you went that route you'd have to jet for it and be stuck running that high $ stuff all the time, it would also get much lower MPG adding to the cost.

Way back when I knew little about fuels and motors I decided to put some model airplane fuel (about 50% nitro) in my Honda MB5. Those little airplane motors make a lot of power for their size so it sounded like a great plan to kick up the little bike's power. I couldn't get it to start on the kicker but with a guy helping push I eventually got it to fire. It barely ran at first but as it warmed up it seemed to be getting happier and at one point it did have some serious power. I pulled back into my parking spot and it was idling around 3K and climbing so I turned it off, the idle continued climbing-WTF? So we're staring at it and I'm starting to freak out. I pulled the plug wire thinking the switch was bad, nothing. Pulled the choke hoping to flood it, just got stronger. Luckily it was only a 50cc motor so I held the rear brake and killed it by letting the clutch out. I drained that stuff out and never tried it again.

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Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	JD, I'm really hoping you actually supercharge a bike; I'd geek right out. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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07-07-2016, 09:15 AM	#43
Kdburtch Join Date: May 2016 Location: Kansas Posts: 31	Dive in, Worst case scenario you have to buy a new Hawk motor which I believe are going for about $500. This bike with 20-25HP would be phenomenal.
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