Hawk 250 Nuetral & Transmission Problem - Page 5

**JerryHawk250** · 10-09-2017, 11:19 AM

This is where the problem is. That wheel shouldn't be behind the stopper plate.
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Andizzle · 10-09-2017, 03:08 PM

Ok so I’m just going to use a flathead screwdriver and push it out from behind the stopper plate?

Andizzle · 10-09-2017, 03:13 PM

Like this

**JerryHawk250** · 10-09-2017, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

Like this

That's it. Hope it fixes you issue.

timcosby · 10-09-2017, 04:00 PM

and maybe if that fixes it take it back apart and put some loctite on the bolt cause if it loosened once it will probably do it again.

Andizzle · 10-09-2017, 07:18 PM

I tried pushing it out with the screwdriver but no luck. :/ I already got the shifting lever out though. I need to get a lock not remover and a gear holder so I can take the clutch off to get to it easier.

timcosby · 10-09-2017, 08:31 PM

its just jammed put more pressure!

timcosby · 10-09-2017, 08:33 PM

check the stopper plate bolt after you get it out it may be bent.

Andizzle · 10-10-2017, 10:10 PM

https://imgur.com/gallery/z5dur
Here’s a link to pictures of the parts I took off.

Andizzle · 10-10-2017, 10:16 PM

& a video of the stopper plate shifting into 1st and second. Should it be able to go all the way around counter clockwise or is it fine stopping where it does in the video? Sorry it’s kind of hard to tell in the video. And when I put it all back together do I want it to be done in Nuetral?

timcosby · 10-10-2017, 11:13 PM

im not sure but i dont think it matters. that pin will register with the hole in the stop plate. looks to me like your problem was just the stop plate being loose and the little wheel that rides on the outside of it got behind it and finally jammed.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-11-2017, 07:35 AM

Looking at the pictures all the parts look fine. It's really hard to tell from the video. But look like you got full rotation. You should be able to rotate it about 340-350*. Have you tried reinstalling all the parts and trying going through all the gears? If your getting full rotation of the stopper plate and it doesn't go through all the gears after that then it could possibly be a bent or broke shift fork. That would require to remove the engine and splitting block. When you drained the oil, was there any metal in the oil or oil screen? Before I would do that I would try putting it back together and see if it will shift through the gears. The pictures and videos do help.

Andizzle · 10-11-2017, 09:38 AM

Does it matter if I put it back together in nuetral or 1st? Is it a just a matter of what’s easiest?

**JerryHawk250** · 10-11-2017, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

Does it matter if I put it back together in nuetral or 1st? Is it a just a matter of what’s easiest?

Doesn't matter.

Ariel Red Hunter · 10-11-2017, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

& a video of the stopper plate shifting into 1st and second. Should it be able to go all the way around counter clockwise or is it fine stopping where it does in the video? Sorry it’s kind of hard to tell in the video. And when I put it all back together do I want it to be done in Nuetral?

Did you have your buddy rotate the rear wheel while you turned the shifting drum? The shifting forks operate in slots on the outside of the shifting drum, inside the transmission. I'd try that before I put it all back together...ARH

10-09-2017, 11:19 AM	#61
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,574	This is where the problem is. That wheel shouldn't be behind the stopper plate. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-09-2017, 03:08 PM	#62
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	Ok so I’m just going to use a flathead screwdriver and push it out from behind the stopper plate? __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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10-09-2017, 04:00 PM	#65
timcosby Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: robertsdale alabama usa Posts: 1,007	and maybe if that fixes it take it back apart and put some loctite on the bolt cause if it loosened once it will probably do it again. __________________ 1991 harley heritage softail classic 2016 hawk kaw h1 400 tripple 13' long chopper in progress 2009 johnny pag bar hog 2004 hd electra glide ultra classic shriner edition 1997 harley davidson 1200 sportster 1972 harley davidson amf sx250
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10-09-2017, 07:18 PM	#66
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	I tried pushing it out with the screwdriver but no luck. :/ I already got the shifting lever out though. I need to get a lock not remover and a gear holder so I can take the clutch off to get to it easier. __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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10-09-2017, 08:31 PM	#67
timcosby Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: robertsdale alabama usa Posts: 1,007	its just jammed put more pressure! __________________ 1991 harley heritage softail classic 2016 hawk kaw h1 400 tripple 13' long chopper in progress 2009 johnny pag bar hog 2004 hd electra glide ultra classic shriner edition 1997 harley davidson 1200 sportster 1972 harley davidson amf sx250
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10-09-2017, 08:33 PM	#68
timcosby Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: robertsdale alabama usa Posts: 1,007	check the stopper plate bolt after you get it out it may be bent. __________________ 1991 harley heritage softail classic 2016 hawk kaw h1 400 tripple 13' long chopper in progress 2009 johnny pag bar hog 2004 hd electra glide ultra classic shriner edition 1997 harley davidson 1200 sportster 1972 harley davidson amf sx250
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10-10-2017, 10:10 PM	#69
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	https://imgur.com/gallery/z5dur Here’s a link to pictures of the parts I took off. __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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10-10-2017, 10:16 PM	#70
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	& a video of the stopper plate shifting into 1st and second. Should it be able to go all the way around counter clockwise or is it fine stopping where it does in the video? Sorry it’s kind of hard to tell in the video. And when I put it all back together do I want it to be done in Nuetral? __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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10-10-2017, 11:13 PM	#71
timcosby Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: robertsdale alabama usa Posts: 1,007	im not sure but i dont think it matters. that pin will register with the hole in the stop plate. looks to me like your problem was just the stop plate being loose and the little wheel that rides on the outside of it got behind it and finally jammed. __________________ 1991 harley heritage softail classic 2016 hawk kaw h1 400 tripple 13' long chopper in progress 2009 johnny pag bar hog 2004 hd electra glide ultra classic shriner edition 1997 harley davidson 1200 sportster 1972 harley davidson amf sx250
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10-11-2017, 07:35 AM	#72
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,574	Looking at the pictures all the parts look fine. It's really hard to tell from the video. But look like you got full rotation. You should be able to rotate it about 340-350. Have you tried reinstalling all the parts and trying going through all the gears? If your getting full rotation of the stopper plate and it doesn't go through all the gears after that then it could possibly be a bent or broke shift fork. That would require to remove the engine and splitting block. When you drained the oil, was there any metal in the oil or oil screen? Before I would do that I would try putting it back together and see if it will shift through the gears. The pictures and videos do help. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com* My YouTube Channel
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10-11-2017, 09:38 AM	#73
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	Does it matter if I put it back together in nuetral or 1st? Is it a just a matter of what’s easiest? __________________ 2014 Hawk 250
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