Oil cooler install

[pete]

[QUOTE=Megadan;256708]Rubber core hose surrounded by woven steel. I doubt there are going to be any accurate readings to go off of. Possibly the in and out banjos right at the oil cooler, but without sufficient airflow there is no way to get a good working reading.
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couldn't give a dam about the temp.. i want to know what the diffrants is...

take it for a good ride and take the temp with in a few seconds of stoping..
quite easy really...




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[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by pete

what was the temp of the hose going into the cooler..
what was the temp of the hose going out of the cooler...
what was & is the temps of the crank case where the oil is stored..

Pete I just did some quick readings before the sky fell out. We have rain till Tuesday or Wednesday. First chance I get I'll take all those readings. But what I do remember is at the spark plug was the highest reading. At the case was around 160 range. 190's around cylinder. I take an actual reading of the oil with a temperature gauge at the dipstick. Like I said this means nothing without taking temps before I did the install. I had to give you all something to talk about this morning.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Rubber core hose surrounded by woven steel. I doubt there are going to be any accurate readings to go off of. Possibly the in and out banjos right at the oil cooler, but without sufficient airflow there is no way to get a good working reading.

The best place to get a good measure on an oil coolers effectiveness is in a flow of oil before it goes through a cooler. This will give the best idea of a systems effectiveness on the entire system by showing the hottest the oil gets before being cooled. Without a cooler in the system, that oil should be hotter at the same point - assuming the cooler was bypassed with a loop just to test how effective it is. As long as the oil is staying at or below 250 degrees, then the oil should resist thermal breakdown.

Honestly, before readings of the same points could also tell a great story. I don't doubt that this cooler is making a difference, as obviously it's more cooling than the motor had before.

It will be hard to get an accurate reading of inlet and outlet oil temps with out having some kind of inline sensor. Only true test would of been to measure the temperature of the oil before I installed the cooler and then after the install. even that wouldn't of been accurate due to different riding habits or air temps but could of given some valuable information. I know I should of done this but I was too excite when I got the damn thing and had to install it right away.

[JeremyC]

I like the idea of an oil cooler, and I think someone mentioned an electric fan for low speed trail riding. If/when I get one, I'm gonna look into those fans as well.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

It will be hard to get an accurate reading of inlet and outlet oil temps with out having some kind of inline sensor. Only true test would of been to measure the temperature of the oil before I installed the cooler and then after the install. even that wouldn't of been accurate due to different riding habits or air temps but could of given some valuable information. I know I should of done this but I was too excite when I got the damn thing and had to install it right away.

I wasn't saying you did anything wrong at all. Your measures show it working, and short of disabling the system, which would waste oil and time (in my opinion) to get a "before" reading, I am sure somebody in the future could get these measures if they wanted to.

In short, don't worry about it.

Originally Posted by pete

couldn't give a dam about the temp.. i want to know what the diffrants is...

take it for a good ride and take the temp with in a few seconds of stoping..
quite easy really...

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Sorry, just figured you were after a reliable accurate reading. In order to know the difference, you would care about the temps. Given that you specified the lines, which are made out of a thick insulating material (rubber) and surrounded by a woven mesh of steel (air gaps that will distort true readings). The chances of seeing a reliable "difference" measuring on the lines is slim. Hence why I mentioned what I did. Even measuring at the inlet and outlet banjos will give a distorted reading because they are connected to the same thermal mass that is made out of a highly thermally conductive material (reads, temp variance will equalize quickly out of operating conditions) but it is probably the closest you will get to a reliable reading.

Also, you will note, I never said it was hard. The only thing that seems hard is your ability to not come across as condescending and sarcastic, but I digress.

[timcosby]

while riding hot air is coming out of the cooler so it is cooling the oil so it has to be good for the oil and engine.

[JerryHawk250]

Originally Posted by timcosby

while riding hot air is coming out of the cooler so it is cooling the oil so it has to be good for the oil and engine.

I can confirm that. with the cooler tucked up under the tank plastic you can feel the heat coming out the hole on the back side by my leg. Just haven't experience the oily leg yet lol. I checked all connections again on Saturday and all good.

[Merlin]

Dan Dude unnecessary harshness!!?? Not cool.

Originally Posted by Megadan

Sorry, just figured you were after a reliable accurate reading. In order to know the difference, you would care about the temps. Given that you specified the lines, which are made out of a thick insulating material (rubber) and surrounded by a woven mesh of steel (air gaps that will distort true readings). The chances of seeing a reliable "difference" measuring on the lines is slim. Hence why I mentioned what I did. Even measuring at the inlet and outlet banjos will give a distorted reading because they are connected to the same thermal mass that is made out of a highly thermally conductive material (reads, temp variance will equalize quickly out of operating conditions) but it is probably the closest you will get to a reliable reading.

Also, you will note, I never said it was hard. The only thing that seems hard is your ability to not come across as condescending and sarcastic, but I digress.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Merlin

Dan Dude unnecessary harshness!!?? Not cool.

Harsh? If my honest opinion is harsh then I won't appologize for it. I deal with things factually, and simply try to be helpful. I figure if somebody wants to know how effective something is, we can work together to find a way to get the best readings possible. I at least have the respect to not talk down my nose at people, especially somebody trying to help. So, if I am harsh because of how i am treated, so be it.

Anyways, lets not get side tracked with pointless squabbles and stay on topic.

[Merlin]

[QUOTE=Megadan;256778]Harsh? If my honest opinion is harsh then I won't appologize for it. I deal with things factually, and simply try to be helpful. I figure if somebody wants to know how effective something is, we can work together to find a way to get the best readings possible. I at least have the respect to not talk down my nose at people, especially somebody trying to help. So, if I am harsh because of how i am treated, so be it.

Anyways, lets not get side tracked with pointless squabbles and stay on topic

The only thing that side tracked this thread is your lacking an ability to not come across as condescending and sarcastic, but I digress.

[JerryHawk250]

Class! CLASS!! CLASS!!!! SHUT UP!!! ................................ Thank you. Now carry on and behave.

[timcosby]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

I can confirm that. with the cooler tucked up under the tank plastic you can feel the heat coming out the hole on the back side by my leg. Just haven't experience the oily leg yet lol. I checked all connections again on Saturday and all good.

im thinking i forgot to tighten that one all the way down

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

Class! CLASS!! CLASS!!!! SHUT UP!!! ................................ Thank you. Now carry on and behave.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Merlin

The only thing that side tracked this thread is your lacking an ability to not come across as condescending and sarcastic, but I digress.

Maybe I am condescending, but no sarcasm here. Plus, if you want to call somebody harsh for being honest, then turn around and do something petty by using those "harsh" words to prove some unecessary point, and further side track the thread, is very hypocritical and immature. I don't claim that my poo smells of roses

Oh, and all of my comments up until you calling me harsh were topic related. In case you weren't aware.

Anyway, I have said my peace on this particular subject. Back to oil coolers please.

<throws a paper airplane>

[SpudRider]

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I haven't had enough time to read all the negative comments, but it doesn't matter, since I am not inclined to choose sides. I admonish everyone to stick with the subject matter, to stop making negative comments, and to be polite. Failure to cooperate will result in a temporary ban for the offenders. Repeated failure to cooperate can result in a permanent ban.

This is an interesting an informative thread. I hope I don't need to close this thread because of arguments and negative comments.